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Old Tue, Dec-22-09, 07:28
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Unhappy I have breast cancer - what could I eat?

I am newly diagnosed, not yet staged, and this could get bad. It is in lymph and I am expecting lots and lots of chemo.

I have low-carbed since 2003, and since this is an aggressive hormone-sensitive cancer I'm not sure the high amounts of dairy fats I've eaten over the years have done me much good. My own hormones are of course the biggest factor right now as I'm only 41.

I would like to continue low-carbing and would appreciate suggestions for what may or may not help. I believe I should avoid dairy and anything with phytoestrogens right now, such as soy, flax, etc. Honestly I'm not really sure what to eat anymore. Quick and easy are going to become very important very soon.

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Old Tue, Dec-22-09, 08:07
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I am newly diagnosed, not yet staged, and this could get bad. It is in lymph and I am expecting lots and lots of chemo.

I have low-carbed since 2003, and since this is an aggressive hormone-sensitive cancer I'm not sure the high amounts of dairy fats I've eaten over the years have done me much good. My own hormones are of course the biggest factor right now as I'm only 41.

I would like to continue low-carbing and would appreciate suggestions for what may or may not help. I believe I should avoid dairy and anything with phytoestrogens right now, such as soy, flax, etc. Honestly I'm not really sure what to eat anymore. Quick and easy are going to become very important very soon.

Thanks for any help.
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There is quite good evidence that improving your omega 3 status will help the chemo work better

I'd personally try for a slightly ketogenic diet if I had a cancer diagnosis. There is evidence it helps Prostate cancer and the chances are it would also help breast cancer patients.

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Old Tue, Dec-29-09, 09:03
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I'd personally try for a slightly ketogenic diet if I had a cancer diagnosis.


Why "slightly" ketogenic?
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Old Tue, Dec-29-09, 13:34
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Why "slightly" ketogenic?


I am, by no means trying to answer for Ted, but as for me, I would keep my diet ketogenic because 1. It maintains cells, organs etc. 2. It increases the absobablity of vitamin D 3. It starves cancer cells. Ketones, in themselves are, in a sense, a natural medecine that the body makes.

I would also eat grassfed meats that have not been treated with antibiotics or any other meds.
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Old Tue, Dec-29-09, 13:40
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I am, by no means trying to answer for Ted, but as for me, I would keep my diet ketogenic because 1. It maintains cells, organs etc. 2. It increases the absobablity of vitamin D 3. It starves cancer cells. Ketones, in themselves are, in a sense, a natural medecine that the body makes.

I would also eat grassfed meats that have not been treated with antibiotics or any other meds.


I think ketogenic is a great idea. I was just wondering why he suggested she go "slightly" ketogenic.
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Old Tue, Dec-29-09, 14:12
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I think ketogenic is a great idea. I was just wondering why he suggested she go "slightly" ketogenic.


Yes, I wondered that too. But, I also was thinking that he meant to go at least "slightly" ketogenic as a minnimum goal.
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Old Tue, Dec-22-09, 08:51
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I am newly diagnosed, not yet staged, and this could get bad. It is in lymph and I am expecting lots and lots of chemo.


I don't know if I have much dietary wisdom that would benefit you. I just wanted to say that I'm extremely sorry to hear this bad news. My heart goes out to you.

I do think that logically it would be good to avoid the foods with phytoestrogens. I don't know how important eliminating dairy would be, but if you can get adequate nutrients without the dairy, then maybe it wouldn't hurt to eliminate it. I personally wonder how many hormones and such would even be left in something like cheese?

I suppose you can't go wrong eating broccoli and spinach. I believe both of those are supposed to help cancer, plus they are low carb and full of nutrients.

Anyway, good luck to you. Keep us posted on how you are doing.
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Old Tue, Dec-22-09, 09:00
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i don't have any suggestions as i don't eat most of the foods that western civilized people eat, but i wanted you to know how sorry i am to hear this and hope that you make a full recovery.
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Old Tue, Dec-22-09, 09:45
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I was hoping that Hutchinson would ring in on this. If I had cancer, I would make my diet as ketogenic as possible plus add healthy amounts of vitamin D3.
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Old Tue, Dec-22-09, 10:34
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Stay away from soy and take lots of vitamin D3.
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Old Tue, Dec-22-09, 10:40
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Will keep you in my thoughts and prayers. Post often and remember you have friends here. Take care. Hugssss
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Old Tue, Dec-22-09, 10:51
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Wishing the best for you! I agree with Hutch.
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Old Tue, Dec-22-09, 21:34
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Thank you all for the suggestions and well wishes. Hutchinson I have started the 10000 Vit D today, but how much O3 should I take? I will need to ask my doctors about it when they determine treatment and make sure it won't interfere with anything. Zuleika, don't worry, soy is definitely out too! Maybe I could cook some of those veggies in advance so they are ready when I need to feed myself something. And I just can't stop asking, why?

I'm hoping that even if there are mets that my age and otherwise great health will help carry me through this and that I'll have some more good years left to enjoy this earth. It really puts some things in perspective.
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how much O3 should I take?
Improving outcome of chemotherapy of metastatic breast cancer by docosahexaenoic acid: a phase II trialTo achieve a sufficient incorporation of DHA into tissue cell membrane phospholipids, an amount of 1.8 g/day of DHA..........DHA during chemotherapy was devoid of adverse side effects and can improve the outcome of chemotherapy when highly incorporated. DHA has a potential to specifically chemosensitise tumours.

This is pretty high in DHAEPA 425 - 600 mg DHA 740 - 850 mg 1 tsp twice daily would be fine.

Obviously you don't want to get into controversial situations with your health professionals but bear in mind this research (like the Vitamin D3 research I've been excited about recently, was only published last month. It sometimes takes many years before the latest research becomes common knowledge amongst health professionals. It may be worth downloading the paper and taking it with you so they can see where you are coming from.

I should also point out that omega 6 dsplaces omega 3 so if you take your omega 3 and then consume some industrial vegetable oils such as corn, soybean, safflower and sunflower oil, or anything that contains them. This includes most processed foods, especially mayonnaise, grocery store salad dressings, and fried foods, the omega 6 will be incorporated and not the omega 3. So you have to be strict about eliminating omega 6 if you want the omega 3 to be absorbed and moved into cell tissue.

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Old Tue, Dec-29-09, 06:40
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This is pretty high in DHAEPA 425 - 600 mg DHA 740 - 850 mg 1 tsp twice daily would be fine.


Hi Hutchinson,
Can you recommend a fish oil that doesn't contain soy? I'll need to avoid anything potentially estrogenic. The Vitamin D seems to be helping my mood so far at least (and hopefully more than that) as I wait to find out more. Thanks a lot and to everyone else who's offered suggestions.
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