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Old Tue, Sep-06-11, 03:42
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I am really committed to this way of eating and I am not giving up! However, I am getting frustrated. I am on plan 100%. I am always in moderate - large on the ketosis stix. But for the past 2 weeks I have been bouncing from 197 -202. I am 202 this morning!! I am waiting for the whoosh that I have read so much about!! WHere is it!?!?!?! Does that happend sometimes....fluctuate like that? I was thrilled to see a "1" but it seems to come and go. I am in week 5 right now.

I'd like a permanant "1" please!!

Thanks for listening...I feel better now that I vented!
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Old Tue, Sep-06-11, 05:10
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Hi Revel's, I've come to kick your butt....lol..no I haven't, just to give you a different look at your diet.
I think it's great your getting into the running, and the exercise work-outs... ( I read a little of your journal )..but, with 3 youngsters at home, I would have thought a little running would be enough for you now, especially as your planning a 5k ? run.Pace yourself, you'll just end up dashing about with no time to prepare good meals and enjoy time for yourself.
My advise to you is to read through your journal, because your answering your own questions about what the problem is....look at your food choices....for example, the one day you wrote " had a few bits of steak " Why? you should have had a whole steak, and would have been good for a few hours. And you know that it's the cheese, the nuts...there not bad...but they pile up really quickly. Your doing really well, so don't get diss-heartened.
This time around, YOU WILL beat the old and disabled on your next run... they will have to beat you back with their sticks
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Old Tue, Sep-06-11, 10:29
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Originally Posted by cricket56
I thought this might be of help to anyone like me who wanted to toss the scale out the window!

WHY THE SCALES CAN LIE

A biologist at Berkeley shared something very revealing on the low-carb BBS system about 4 years ago that helps us all through the erratic weight fluctuations you invariably encounter: Fat cells are resilient, stubborn little creatures that do not want to give up their actual cell volume.

Over a period of weeks, maybe months of "proper dieting", each of your fat cells may have actually lost a good percentage of the actual fat contained in those cells. But the fat cells themselves, stubborn little guys, replace that lost fat with water to retain their size.

That is, instead of shrinking to match the reduced amount of fat in the cell, they stay the same size! Result - you weigh the same, look the same, maybe even gained some scale weight, even though you have actually lost some serious fat.

The good news is that this water replacement is temporary. It's a defensive measure to keep your body from changing too rapidly. It allows the fat cell to counter the rapid change in cell composition, allowing for a slow, gradual reduction in cell size. The problem is, most people are frustrated with their apparent lack of success, assume they have lost nothing, and stop dieting.

However, if you give those fat cells some time, like 4-6 months, and ignore the scale weight fluctuations, your real weight/shape will slowly begin to show. The moral of the story - be patient! Your body is changing even if the number on the scale isn't.

PATTERNS OF WEIGHT LOSS

Common patterns of weight loss from tracking a lot of people who become assimilated into the low carb lifestyle, a pattern emerges.... the 2 week induction is pretty heady...weight lost just about every single day, enormous and unbelievable amounts of weight loss are reported. This is often followed by complaints that weight loss "stalls" or that the rate drops to only 1 pound per week.

Many people just don't know that fat-loss ...the actual goal when on a weight-reduction" diet, is rate-limited. In other words, the human body has factors that prevent more than a certain amount of fatty-acid release from storage...and even more factors that prevent those released fatty acids from being used up instead of stored back into the fat cells.

A priority of the human body is survival. Anything that threatens its survival results in the cascade of events to maintain the previous status quo. Water fluctuations are one way the body does this. OK...so you done good on Atkins' during induction...lost 10 pounds the first 2 weeks. Maybe 7 the first week and 3 the second. But, whoa! Weeks 3 and 4 there is NO loss! And weeks 5 and 6 is only 1/2 pound each!

So... what gives? Initially, the body jettisons the water attached to the glycogen stores that we diligently deplete to get into ketosis...this accounts for about 3-5 pounds of water. In addition, muscle stores of glycogen are not being replaced when used...which will account for the rest. All in all...MAYBE 1/2 pound of fat was metabolized during the first week... and MAYBE 1/2 pound of fat was metabolized the 2nd week. Of that 10 initial pounds, only 1 pound was fat and 9 pounds water...

The body senses this lack and sirens start shrieking: Warning! Warning! Losing water... new thing...got to get back to the status quo! Brain tells body to produce and release that vasopressin anti-diuretic hormone....more water is retained, and no weight loss noticed. Fat loss is still occurring, MAYBE even 2 pounds per week, because ketosis is firmly established and appetite suppression is in effect...but water retention is hiding that continuing fat loss. The body is preventing dehydration with this mechanism, and that's a *good* thing.

From the perspective of the scale, it can be discouraging. Which is why the mantra: Water retention masks fat loss (repeated frequently to oneself) is helpful. Water retention will mask ongoing fat-loss for as long as the body retains the water. We can combat this by drinking more water...but we aren't going to totally overcome this mechanism during the initial water-loss phase of the Atkins diet. By weeks 5 and 6, things start to get back in balance, and the scale will begin to reflect the true fat-loss...which, as mentioned before is rate-limited.

Individuals vary, but max weight loss runs about 2 pounds per week...under extremely optimal conditions... or 1% of body weight (whichever is the lower number). So don't use the scale as an excuse to undermine your progress. Even when the scale is in a stall, fat loss can be occurring.

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We've been told over an over again that daily weighing is unnecessary, yet many of us can't resist peeking at that number every morning. If you just can't bring yourself to toss the scale in the trash, you should definitely familiarize yourself with the factors that influence it's readings. From water retention to glycogen storage and changes in lean body mass, daily weight fluctuations are normal. They are not indicators of your success or failure. Once you understand how these mechanisms work, you can free yourself from the daily battle with the bathroom scale.

Water makes up about 60% of total body mass. Normal fluctuations in the body's water content can send scale-watchers into a tailspin if they don't understand what's happening. Two factors influencing water retention are water consumption and salt intake. Strange as it sounds, the less water you drink, the more of it your body retains. If you are even slightly dehydrated your body will hang onto it's water supplies with a vengeance, possibly causing the number on the scale to inch upward. The solution is to drink plenty of water.

Excess salt (sodium) can also play a big role in water retention. A single teaspoon of salt contains over 2,000 mg of sodium. Generally, we should only eat between 1,000 and 3,000 mg of sodium a day, so it's easy to go overboard. Sodium is a sneaky substance. You would expect it to be most highly concentrated in salty chips, nuts, and crackers. However, a food doesn't have to taste salty to be loaded with sodium. A half cup of instant pudding actually contains nearly four times as much sodium as an ounce of salted nuts, 460 mg in the pudding versus 123 mg in the nuts.

The more highly processed a food is, the more likely it is to have a high sodium content. That's why, when it comes to eating, it's wise to stick mainly to the basics: fruits, vegetables, lean meat, beans, and whole grains. Be sure to read the labels on canned foods, boxed mixes, and frozen dinners.

Women may also retain several pounds of water prior to menstruation. This is very common and the weight will likely disappear as quickly as it arrives. Pre-menstrual water-weight gain can be minimized by drinking plenty of water, maintaining an exercise program, and keeping high-sodium processed foods to a minimum.

Another factor that can influence the scale is glycogen. Think of glycogen as a fuel tank full of stored carbohydrate. Some glycogen is stored in the liver and some is stored the muscles themselves. This energy reserve weighs more than a pound and it's packaged with 3-4 pounds of water when it's stored. Your glycogen supply will shrink during the day if you fail to take in enough carbohydrates.

As the glycogen supply shrinks you will experience a small imperceptible increase in appetite and your body will restore this fuel reserve along with it's associated water. It's normal to experience glycogen and water weight shifts of up to 2 pounds per day even with no changes in your calorie intake or activity level. These fluctuations have nothing to do with fat loss, although they can make for some unnecessarily dramatic weigh-ins if you're prone to obsessing over the number on the scale.

Otherwise rational people also tend to forget about the actual weight of the food they eat. For this reason, it's wise to weigh yourself first thing in the morning before you've had anything to eat or drink. Swallowing a bunch of food before you step on the scale is no different than putting a bunch of rocks in your pocket. The 5 pounds that you gain right after a huge dinner is not fat. It's the actual weight of everything you've had to eat and drink. The added weight of the meal will be gone several hours later when you've finished digesting it.

Exercise physiologists tell us that in order to store one pound of fat, you need to eat 3,500 calories more than your body is able to burn. In other words, to actually store the above dinner as 5 pounds of fat, it would have to contain a whopping 17,500 calories. This is not likely, in fact it's not humanly possible. So when the scale goes up 3 or 4 pounds overnight, rest easy, it's likely to be water, glycogen, and the weight of your dinner. Keep in mind that the 3,500 calorie rule works in reverse also. In order to lose one pound of fat you need to burn 3,500 calories more than you take in.

Generally, it's only possible to lose 1-2 pounds of fat per week. When you follow a very low calorie diet that causes your weight to drop 10 pounds in 7 days, it's physically impossible for all of that to be fat. What you're really losing is water, glycogen, and muscle.

This brings us to the scale's sneakiest attribute. It doesn't just weigh fat. It weighs muscle, bone, water, internal organs and all. When you lose "weight," that doesn't necessarily mean that you've lost fat. In fact, the scale has no way of telling you what you've lost (or gained). Losing muscle is nothing to celebrate. Muscle is a metabolically active tissue. The more muscle you have the more calories your body burns, even when you're just sitting around. That's one reason why a fit, active person is able to eat considerably more food than the dieter who is unwittingly destroying muscle tissue.

Robin Landis, author of "Body Fueling," compares fat and muscles to feathers and gold. One pound of fat is like a big fluffy, lumpy bunch of feathers, and one pound of muscle is small and valuable like a piece of gold. Obviously, you want to lose the dumpy, bulky feathers and keep the sleek beautiful gold. The problem with the scale is that it doesn't differentiate between the two. It can't tell you how much of your total body weight is lean tissue and how much is fat.

There are several other measuring techniques that can accomplish this, although they vary in convenience, accuracy, and cost. Skin-fold calipers pinch and measure fat folds at various locations on the body, hydrostatic (or underwater) weighing involves exhaling all of the air from your lungs before being lowered into a tank of water, and bioelectrical impedance measures the degree to which your body fat impedes a mild electrical current.

If the thought of being pinched, dunked, or gently zapped just doesn't appeal to you, don't worry. The best measurement tool of all turns out to be your very own eyes. How do you look? How do you feel? How do your clothes fit? Are your rings looser? Do your muscles feel firmer? These are the true measurements of success. If you are exercising and eating right, don't be discouraged by a small gain on the scale. Fluctuations are perfectly normal. Expect them to happen and take them in stride.

It's a matter of mind over scale.



http://www.primusweb.com/fitnesspar...eight/scale.htm



Just know that what you are doing IS WORKING and now you undertand why your weight is fluctuating.
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Old Tue, Sep-06-11, 10:39
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Originally Posted by Ryevels Ma
I am really committed to this way of eating and I am not giving up! However, I am getting frustrated. I am on plan 100%. I am always in moderate - large on the ketosis stix. But for the past 2 weeks I have been bouncing from 197 -202. I am 202 this morning!! I am waiting for the whoosh that I have read so much about!! WHere is it!?!?!?! Does that happend sometimes....fluctuate like that? I was thrilled to see a "1" but it seems to come and go. I am in week 5 right now.

I'd like a permanant "1" please!!

Thanks for listening...I feel better now that I vented!


I'm the same as you. It will be a month since I started and I look the same.
It can be frustrating but what is the alternative? Going back to eating bread and pasta?

I think for some people it just takes longer. I hope anyway.

I was also feeling that I needed to kick it up a notch for exercise but people on here keep saying don't...cut back.

Also I keep thinking maybe it's my portions of steak but then again people on here say eat more. It's tough and confusing.

My body has been holding onto my fit body for years. I'm nimble, athletic, get cardio, strong but I'm all gut!

I hope and pray for us to get that elusive 'Whoosh'.

The saddest part it I've seen friends that I haven't seen in a month and no one says, 'Hey, you look like you've lost weight.' It actually happened the other day but they were talking to someone else. What was their answer? "Oh, it's nothing, I just cut down on all the fatty foods."

Good grief.
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Old Tue, Sep-06-11, 17:54
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Ugh my bad start of the day sent me spiraling. Had a BAD DAY! Ate an ENTIRE jar of French's Fried Onions. I bought them to coat chicken with or use sparingly. Well the entire jar is in the trash! ANd I feel like CRAP!

Tomorrow is a new day and I need to step it up!! Moving on!


Thanks everyone for the responses. I appreciate it!
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Old Tue, Sep-06-11, 22:49
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Plan: Keto / Atkins VLC
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Originally Posted by Ryevels Ma
I am really committed to this way of eating and I am not giving up! However, I am getting frustrated. I am on plan 100%. I am always in moderate - large on the ketosis stix. But for the past 2 weeks I have been bouncing from 197 -202. I am 202 this morning!! I am waiting for the whoosh that I have read so much about!! WHere is it!?!?!?! Does that happend sometimes....fluctuate like that? I was thrilled to see a "1" but it seems to come and go. I am in week 5 right now.

I'd like a permanant "1" please!!

Thanks for listening...I feel better now that I vented!


Don't fixate on the Keto stix....we are all different with them. I have lost wonderful amounts while never once showing much of a ketostix reading. And I've measured on the stix and lost nothing. I think the longer you do low carb, the less you will see on the stix. So don't worry about them, they're just mildly interesting as one of many measures.

Second: Your weight varies no matter WHAT you do, good or bad. You look for trends downwards. As for the rest of it, you know what to do, how to eat, what not to eat, so DO IT! Success = consistency over time. You have to give it enough time to happen, and that time is ALWAYS longer and slower than you want it to be. Just go do it, and it will happen!
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Old Wed, Sep-07-11, 08:54
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IMO i think scales should be tossed out the window. They LIE.

Go by how you feel and how your clothes fit.

I used to be so Obscessed (sp) with my flipping scale...and it would make me want to give up. I would really beat myself up over 1 - 2 lbs, and why am i not loosing weight.

When i was in high school, i was terribly obsessed with my weight, to the point if i did not loose anything....I would fast for three days. I was so damn stupid. Mom and Dad worked weird hours, so i would always say, I was starving and I already ate.

Now that i am in my 40's i wonder how bad did i mess up my metabolism? I did not help it out that is for sure.

Then in college....I cut ALL fat from my diet. I would not let my self weigh over 97 lbs....can you say eating disorder??
I was able to put our dogs collar around my waste.

I thought thin=happy. That is a crock of chit. I thought if i was thin i would be loved more, more successful, more popular.
BullSchit. I was the same person with the same problems. My weight did NOTHING to change who i was.

Eat Healthy and BE happy!!!!!! LOVE YOURSELF!!!!
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Old Wed, Sep-07-11, 09:05
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maybe you should just think.. I want to happy and healthy, because that's what's important...and if that means that after a while, you feel happier in your own skin, your hair looks good, and you look good in clothes, well... is that such a bad thing... its not the numbers on the scale... you and all of us are more than that!..
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Old Wed, Sep-07-11, 11:48
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I sure get the same negative sentiments about the scales....and I have times when I want to toss the scales out. In fact, I did that awhile back. But it didn't work...mainly because I'm a person who needs accountability. We all get careless, and we get carb creep. Seeing the scales go up and stay up is what whips me back on track because I KNOW from past experience, when I didn't weigh myself for months on end, things got too out of hand and I put on more weight and then had to deal with it.

So I went thru a time where I weighed myself twice a day, just to observe all the fluctuations and to break the emotional reactions. Intellectually I absolutely know that, according to how I was eating, there was no way I put on 2 or 3 lbs. overnight. BUT....that gain did tell me something about how certain foods bloated me up, among other things. So doing this for awhile took some of the scales' power over my emotions away. I remind myself to look at scale weight as a TOOL, one of many, that gives me feedback about what I'm doing.
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I go by pants. Pants don't care what the scale says. They either button or they don't.
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Pants.. the way forward!... great idea.. Fit, or we dump you!....please fit!
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