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Old Fri, Jul-21-17, 10:39
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Enough to start you on the path to carb cravings...
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Old Sat, Jul-22-17, 18:46
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I can't of course speak for anyone else, but just one small Mandarin orange or wedge of watermelon and my body says, "That's real sugar! Where's the rest of the bowl of it?" so I don't eat those anymore. And it isn't just the sweet taste; I can eat stevia-sweetened home made low carb desserts and no reaction. Somehow my body knows when the sugar's for real or not.
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Old Sat, Jul-22-17, 20:47
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I can't of course speak for anyone else, but just one small Mandarin orange or wedge of watermelon and my body says, "That's real sugar! Where's the rest of the bowl of it?"
My body does too; fruit and low-fat frankenfoods are full of fructose, which can raise insulin levels without raising blood glucose.

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Old Sun, Jul-23-17, 06:34
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Enough to start you on the path to carb cravings...

Numbers. I'd like numbers. I believe in arithmetic. Arithmetic speaks for everyone and is universally true.

And I want to be clear... I'm not in disagreement with you personally. I'm in disagreement with an area which I essentially agree with in spirit but have NO quantitative understanding. Professionally I work in an area that comes across as magic, lends itself to hand waving explanations and have learned that if people can't describe something with numbers then they don't understand it. I don't understand low carb science.
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Old Sun, Jul-23-17, 06:39
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...and my body says,...


How do you know it's your body? How much of an orange?

I know I'm being a wet blanket but this is important.
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Old Sun, Jul-23-17, 07:02
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Numbers. I'd like numbers. I believe in arithmetic. Arithmetic speaks for everyone and is universally true.

I agree with you here. Cravings are a subjective thing - they're not like breaking out in spots where either the spots are there or they're not. There are emotional and psychological aspects to them and it's hard (at least for me) to separate the two.

Is it unrealistic of me to hope for a home blood insulin meter so I can figure this out once and for all, or would that just be more confusing data? I would donate a crap ton of money to crowd fund this. I want to know if certain things I'm consuming are causing an insulin response but I've conditioned myself to ignore hunger/cravings, or not. Perhaps an anti-hunger affect is taking place that's more profound - example, coffee. The Splenda could be causing an insulin release, but the "fullness" factor of the coffee counteracts it for me. I'd like to know.
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Old Sun, Jul-23-17, 07:40
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I can't of course speak for anyone else, but just one small Mandarin orange or wedge of watermelon and my body says, "That's real sugar! Where's the rest of the bowl of it?" so I don't eat those anymore. And it isn't just the sweet taste; I can eat stevia-sweetened home made low carb desserts and no reaction. Somehow my body knows when the sugar's for real or not.


My bias is towards this being a conditioned response. Rats can be made to prefer saccharin over sugar if it's consumed in a certain way--feed them some potato, wait a few minutes, and then saccharin--the metabolic effect of the potatoes results in a preference for saccharin that wouldn't develop if it wasn't paired with the food. They'll temporarily prefer the saccharin over the potato. So does the body learn to distinguish real from fake sugar by the taste itself--or by the metabolic consequences that the taste/flavour becomes associated with through experience? Without learning, sweetness itself is a poor predictor of sugar content, fruit containing less bitter/sour elements will taste sweeter.

Aside from that, I find most artificial sweeteners aside from sugar alcohols and splenda have a significant off taste that makes it hard to mistake them for sugar unless they're added to something that's already bitter/complex, like coffee or cocoa.
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Old Sun, Jul-23-17, 07:45
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Is it unrealistic of me to hope for a home blood insulin meter so I can figure this out once and for all, or would that just be more confusing data?


Well, it would be data which is better than nothing or worse if it's misleading.

BG is often taken as an insulin surrogate. There are lots of good reasons to do this, ask a type 1 for instance, but I'm not sure how they apply to cravings or the metabolism of body fat.

Again, I've come up against the wall.
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Old Sun, Jul-23-17, 07:53
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My bias is towards this being a conditioned response.


At 1g? That's my bias too. At 100g? No, at that point I'm biased towards the carb-addict argument.
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