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Old Thu, Oct-24-13, 09:15
hlopez hlopez is offline
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Plan: less than 40 carbs a day
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Default Need advice on "carbo force"

I recently started working out with a personal trainer, he knows I'm doing low carb but he told me to drink "carbo force" on days I lift. This drink has 100 grams of carbs!! That's more than I've had in a few days, but only 15 grams of sugar. Is it wise for me to take this? Will it effect my weight loss? I've so far only drank it once. The 100 grams of carbs freaked me out. I couldn't find anything that has given me any information on how it would effect a "low carber"
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Old Thu, Oct-24-13, 09:22
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peauk peauk is offline
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I lift and dont take any of that stuff.
Those that dont do low carb just dont get it, my old trainer used to tell me to eat carbs. I just eat extra protein, your body can convert extra to glycogen for the muscles. You dont need to resort to carbs.
Check out Marks Daily Apple for more detailed info.
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Old Thu, Oct-24-13, 09:57
hlopez hlopez is offline
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Thank you, that's I've been doing just fine without them, he was saying it would help me have bigger pumps, but I'm not trying to be a body builder, just wanna be thin with good body definition, will definitely not drink that carbo force again.
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Old Thu, Oct-24-13, 10:16
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I recently started working out with a personal trainer, he knows I'm doing low carb but he told me to drink "carbo force" on days I lift. This drink has 100 grams of carbs!! That's more than I've had in a few days, but only 15 grams of sugar. Is it wise for me to take this?
No.

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Will it effect my weight loss?
Yes. If you were in ketosis before you drank it, chances are you no longer are.

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I've so far only drank it once. The 100 grams of carbs freaked me out. I couldn't find anything that has given me any information on how it would effect a "low carber"
I suggest you google Steve Phinney and/or Jeff Volek who have done tons of research on exercise while low carb, specifically ketogenic. As you probably know, it will take a few weeks to acclimate to ketosis, but once fully adapted you will be able to perform at the same levels (or close) as you did as a glucose burner. More importantly, you'll be burning stored fat as you lift, not recently ingested carbs. That's the name of the game, right?

I also came across this interesting article today - it's short - perhaps you could print it out for your trainer. http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/fa...ml#.UmlGQBYlS-9

Read especially the section titled The Case for Getting Energy from Fat and Ketones:
When most people think of eating a low-carb diet, they tend to think of it as being a protein-based one. This is false. All traditional carnivorous diets, whether eaten by animals or humans, are more fat than protein with a ratio of about eighty percent of calories from fat and twenty percent of calories from protein. Similarly, the main fuel produced by a modern low-carb diet should also be fatty acids derived from dietary fat and body fat. We find in practice that free fatty acids are higher in the bloodstream on a low-carb diet compared with a conventional diet.[vii] [viii]

But fats also produce an important secondary fuel: 'ketone bodies'. Ketones were first discovered in the urine of diabetic patients in the mid-19th century; for almost fifty years thereafter, they were thought to be abnormal and undesirable by-products of incomplete fat oxidation. In the early 20th century, however, they were recognised as normal circulating metabolites produced by liver and readily utilised by body tissues. Ketones are an important substitute for glucose. During prolonged periods of starvation, fatty acids are made from the breakdown of stored triglycerides in body fat.[ix] On a low-carb diet, the fatty acids are derived from dietary fat, or body fat if the diet does not supply enough. Free fatty acids are converted to ketones by the liver. They then provide energy to all cells with mitochondria. Within a cell, ketones are used to generate ATP. And where glucose needs the intervention of bacteria, ketones can be used directly. Reduction of carbohydrate intake stimulates the synthesis of ketones from body fat.[x] This is one reason why reducing carbs is important. Another is that reducing carbohydrate and protein intake also leads to a lower insulin level in the blood. This, in turn, reduces the risks associated with insulin resistance and the Metabolic Syndrome.

Ketone formation and a shift to using more fatty acids also reduces the body's overall need for glucose. Even during high-energy demand from exercise, a low-carb diet has what are called 'glucoprotective' effects. What this all means is that ketosis arising from a low-carb diet is capable of accommodating a wide range of metabolic demands to sustain body functions and health while not using, and thus sparing, protein from lean muscle tissue. Ketones are also the preferred energy source for highly active tissues such as heart and muscle.[xi]
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Old Thu, Oct-24-13, 14:34
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Trainers have got to be the worse source for nutritional info. Worse than dietitians even!
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Old Thu, Oct-24-13, 18:41
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My Trainer said the same thing to me... I came here and i think it was liz who reinforced to not do this based off her expereince one time.

I did exactly that, and I am fine. Extra protein can be helpful if you are experiencing an energy drain. I find it can help me alot eating a fourth meal at night of 2 eggs/2 oz of hamburger.

But I also found that extra meal slows my weight loss. So I will forgo it for now.

I also found I needed B-6, D-3 and Magnesuim. Once I got those vitamins built up in my system my work out became less daunting. I use to go into a burn of my muscles almost immediately with any type of intense activity and it stay there.

Now I do a warm up, that is a little lethargic(2-3 minutes) until my body realize no carbs are coming and starts going to the fat on my body.

I am like you I am only trying to maintain the muscles I have from athletics and to have them more defined.

So far it has been working
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Old Wed, Nov-06-13, 10:25
hlopez hlopez is offline
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Plan: less than 40 carbs a day
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I just wanted to say thank you so much! I am in my 6th weeks and I am doing great without the carbo force, I've actually convinced my trainer to try the low carb diet and he loves it. I really appreciate the help, I don't feel tired or weak after lifting or doing cardio.
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