He also said this in the book - Page 123 of my copy under 'Rules of Induction'My interpretation is that this means veggies are required and that they should be supplying most of the 'up to 20 net carbs' on induction. We all interpret words in the way that suits our inclinations though.

FWIW...I could not agree with you more!! On both points too!

Well said!!

Wow, thanks!

On an average day, I don't hit the 20 carbs allowed for induction... and I've been eating that way for over a month. I'm just biologically a slow loser.

It takes some positive self-talk, and knocking down that little voice that wants to get me to quit when the scale isn't moving, or moving a tenth of a pound a day, but eventually the scale starts moving again. Check out the threads in the Turtle Club... they can help you struggle through as a slow loser.

I have found that I have to absolutely avoid aspertame, and so I cannot have any diet sodas, chewing gum or sf jello - regardless of carb count. I also found that I was eating food that was too low in fat, so I upped my fat intake. Low and behold, when those two things are added together, my scale keeps falling. I absolutely try to make sure to get enough water every day to keep myself regularly purging the melting fat, if for no other reason.

You should be measuring your body in addition to weighing in, at least on a weekly basis. I did not do that in the beginning, and it was a lot harder to keep up the plan. Now that I am measuring, I see results even when the scale doesn't budge.

I will most likely be at 20 or less carbs a day for a few years or more just to keep myself burning, as when I go higher than that, my keto sticks go light very quickly.

You could be right, but I pay attention to words. I don't like to assume anything. "Can" and "no more than" are not indicative of "must". He seems quite precise in his book with everything else, so I have to trust that he used his words precisely in regards to Induction as well. It's such a pity he's not alive for us to ask him.

I believe these were problems for me, too. Not even diet pop made with Splenda I can have. Can't have cheese and nuts either. I'm almost positive that I wasn't getting enough fat. Bah! When I start over again in a couple days, I'll get everything right. Including the 8 8oz of water intake required. So hard, but I gotta do what I gotta do.

My copy says must also.

I contacted atkins.com and asked if it's mandatory to have veggies during Induction. Hopefully they know the answer and will share it with me soon.

Do you mean the word "must" is in your copy or that that's your interpretation? If the former, please share the page #.

Most likely not-- but don't be surprised if it [VLC] suddenly stops working once your bod decides you've lost enough fat! Then you're in new territory like me

What's "VLC" please?

Very Low Carb

I hope my body consults with my head before it decides to stop loosing weight!

Well, if you had the book, you could have easily found this information yourself. However, I will bite.

Chapter Eleven : The Rules of Induction.

Page 123.

Rule Number Three.



So, it is not my interpretation when it is CLEARLY stated that you MUST eat salad grrens and vegetables.

I will have to disagree with your interpretation of that statement. I agree that he says the carbs must come from salad greens and other vegetables, BUT the beginning of that statement says 'Eat no more than 20 grams of carbs a day'. In order for it to be required to eat those greens, it would have to say 'Eat 20 grams of carbs a day'. It only says you can't go over 20.... doesn't say you have to eat 20.