Active Low-Carber Forums
Atkins diet and low carb discussion provided free for information only, not as medical advice.
Home Plans Tips Recipes Tools Stories Studies Products
Active Low-Carber Forums
A sugar-free zone


Welcome to the Active Low-Carber Forums.
Support for Atkins diet, Protein Power, Neanderthin (Paleo Diet), CAD/CALP, Dr. Bernstein Diabetes Solution and any other healthy low-carb diet or plan, all are welcome in our lowcarb community. Forget starvation and fad diets -- join the healthy eating crowd! You may register by clicking here, it's free!

Go Back   Active Low-Carber Forums > Main Low-Carb Diets Forums & Support > Daily Low-Carb Support > Protein Power
User Name
Password
Register FAQ Members Calendar Mark Forums Read Search Gallery My P.L.A.N. Survey


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #16   ^
Old Sat, Aug-04-07, 13:36
kindke's Avatar
kindke kindke is offline
Senior Member
Posts: 451
 
Plan: my own
Stats: 278/217/185 Male 5 feet 11 inches
BF:
Progress: 66%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by +35-65
I'm really close to my goal, too, and find myself eating things "off plan" more than I used to.


you do realise that low-carb is not a diet but a lifestyle. thats what so many people dont understand, and end up putting the weight back on. if you want to put the higher carb stuff back then youll need a IF regime, i suggest 20/4.

Quote:
Originally Posted by +35-65
my feet don't hurt, I can run again, I AM HAPPY!


judging from your profile your 13pound overweight, go to the gym and pick up a ~13 pound weight, HEAVY isnt it?. you want to walk around with that strapped to your back all day? no i didnt think so.

Quote:
Originally Posted by +35-65
I am having the internal debate between "you are at a healthy weight that is easy to maintain, learn to love yourself here and don't kill yourself to get to a weight you can't maintain" versus "what the hell are you thinking! You've made it this far and you're going to give up NOW? Geeze, you slacker. You may as well just gain ALL the weight back. Sheesh." It will be interesting to see which side wins.


hah thats easy, i guarantee youll choose the former, because humans always choose the path of least resistance.

break your love affair with food, stop looking at it as 'fun' or a 'luxury' or a 'treat'.

sorry if i am sounding harsh, but this is the reality facing people who were once very overweight, and have lost it.
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
  #17   ^
Old Mon, Aug-06-07, 12:59
Portail Portail is offline
Registered Member
Posts: 89
 
Plan: .
Stats: 145/135.8/118 Female .
BF:
Progress: 34%
Default Fasting, to get going on the last 10 lb loss.

For a boost to get rid of the last 10 lbs, KINDKE mentioned fasting.
I’ve only ever managed (with great difficulty) one day.
Any helpful suggestions for a 2 day fast ?
Reply With Quote
  #18   ^
Old Mon, Aug-06-07, 13:05
kindke's Avatar
kindke kindke is offline
Senior Member
Posts: 451
 
Plan: my own
Stats: 278/217/185 Male 5 feet 11 inches
BF:
Progress: 66%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Portail
For a boost to get rid of the last 10 lbs, KINDKE mentioned fasting.
I’ve only ever managed (with great difficulty) one day.
Any helpful suggestions for a 2 day fast ?


2 days fasting is more of an extreme measure, for someone with alot of willpower who wants to shift weight FAST.

if its too hard change to a 23/1 IF fasting regime.
Reply With Quote
  #19   ^
Old Mon, Aug-06-07, 13:18
Portail Portail is offline
Registered Member
Posts: 89
 
Plan: .
Stats: 145/135.8/118 Female .
BF:
Progress: 34%
Default 23/1 If ?

23/1 IF refers to http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/?p=278 ?
Could you explain please.
Reply With Quote
  #20   ^
Old Mon, Aug-06-07, 13:30
deirdra's Avatar
deirdra deirdra is offline
Senior Member
Posts: 3,714
 
Plan: HF/vLC/GF,CF,SF
Stats: 197/136/150 Female 66 inches
BF:
Progress: 130%
Location: Alberta
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nelson
Also, it can be worthwhile to see if your last few pounds are mostly "false fat," that is, water retention caused by eating too much salt or, perhaps, some food type that you can't really digest properly. I took my weight from "the last 8-10 lbs" down to "the last 2-3 lbs" by eliminating ALL processed foods from my diet. It sounded impossble, but it was really only inconvenient.
This approach is what really works for me. Also, I don't deprive or punish myself if I slip up. I mainly avoid slip-ups or limit them to one off-plan indulgence while away from home by always having ''legal'' things I really enjoy like nuts, chocolate-CO bark, and full fat creamy salad dressings available. So most of my regular LC meals feel like decadent indulgences (esp. compared to my Pritikin/Ornish/McDougall days).
Reply With Quote
  #21   ^
Old Mon, Aug-06-07, 13:33
kindke's Avatar
kindke kindke is offline
Senior Member
Posts: 451
 
Plan: my own
Stats: 278/217/185 Male 5 feet 11 inches
BF:
Progress: 66%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Portail
23/1 IF refers to http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/?p=278 ?
Could you explain please.


its just a different version of what Dr eades suggests in that blog post,

23/1 IF = choose 1 hour in the day that your allowed to eat, like 5pm-6pm, then within that hour try to eat all your daily calories. keeping it low-carb ofcourse.

then, for rest of 23hrs until tomorrow 5pm-6pm, you drink only water/black coffee, tea without milk/suger etc. NO DIET SODA.
Reply With Quote
  #22   ^
Old Mon, Aug-06-07, 18:36
Portail Portail is offline
Registered Member
Posts: 89
 
Plan: .
Stats: 145/135.8/118 Female .
BF:
Progress: 34%
Default Losiing the last 10 lbs

Many thanks Re 23/1 IF (Intermittent Fasting) defined.
Reply With Quote
  #23   ^
Old Fri, Aug-10-07, 11:07
Portail Portail is offline
Registered Member
Posts: 89
 
Plan: .
Stats: 145/135.8/118 Female .
BF:
Progress: 34%
Default Deciphering the Eades IF plan

As a means of getting rid of the last 10 pounds, I “get” the 23/1 IF plan. Sounds like a good plan but I’m still can’t figure out the Eades IF plan. ( http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/?p=278 ) “We set up our cutoff time as 6 PM. On the day we started, we ate until 6 PM then fasted until 6 PM the next day. On the next day we ate supper right after 6 PM and ate breakfast and lunch (and a few snacks) the next day until 6 PM when we started fasting again.” Is this it ?

Day 1
8 am breakfast
1 pm lunch
5-6 pm dinner (ate for 9 hours)
6 pm start fasting
-----------------------------------------
Day 2
8 am fast
1 pm fast
fasted 24 hours (until 6 pm)
6-7 pm dinner (ate for 1 hour)
7 pm start fasting
Day 3


8 am fast

1 pm fast

fasted 23 hours (until 6 pm)

6-7 pm dinner
Day 4
8am breakfast
1 pm lunch
5-6 pm dinner (ate for 24 hours)
6 pm start fasting
----------------Repeat Days 2-4----------------
Day 5
8 am fast
1 pm fast
fasted 24 hours (until 6 pm)
6-7 pm dinner (ate for 1 hour)
7 pm start fasting


Day 6
8am fast
1 pm fast
fasted 23 hours (until 6 pm)
6-7 pm dinner
Day 7
8am breakfast
1 pm lunch
5-6 pm dinner (ate for 24 hours)
6 pm start fasting
----------------Repeat Days 2-4----------------
Day 8
8 am fast
1 pm fast
fasted 24 hours (until 6 pm)
6-7 pm dinner (ate for 1 hour)
7 pm start fasting
etc.


Reply With Quote
  #24   ^
Old Fri, Aug-10-07, 13:01
kindke's Avatar
kindke kindke is offline
Senior Member
Posts: 451
 
Plan: my own
Stats: 278/217/185 Male 5 feet 11 inches
BF:
Progress: 66%
Default

looks fine.
Reply With Quote
  #25   ^
Old Fri, Aug-10-07, 14:00
Portail Portail is offline
Registered Member
Posts: 89
 
Plan: .
Stats: 145/135.8/118 Female .
BF:
Progress: 34%
Default Finally figured.

I guess it's not as complicated as I thought.
Day 1: Dinner only; Day 2: Dinner only; Day 3: all meals; repeat (a much less complicated way of describing it).
So...Days 1 and 2 are basically what you suggested with your 23/1 IF.
I like your plan. Plus, it is closer to Paleolithic Man, which appeals to me.



Reply With Quote
  #26   ^
Old Sat, Aug-11-07, 18:22
LarryAJ's Avatar
LarryAJ LarryAJ is offline
Senior Member
Posts: 702
 
Plan: PP/PPLP
Stats: 150/140/140 Male 68 inches
BF:
Progress: 100%
Location: Northern Virginia
Default

Portail,

You misread/understood what Dr. Eades’ IF plan is. Here is what I read him as saying the plan is. Using your format, I changed it to how I feel sure he meant it to be.

Day 1
8 am breakfast
1 pm lunch
5-6 pm dinner (ate for 9 hours)
6 pm start fasting
-----------------------------------------
Day 2
8 am fast
1 pm fast
fasted 24 hours (until 6 pm)
6 pm dinner
Bed time snack allowed (if within overall calorie/carb limits -
These limits would be for the FULL 24 hours from 6:00 pm to 5:59 pm the next day)
-----------------------------------------
Day 3
8am breakfast
1 pm lunch
5-6 pm dinner (could eat for 24 hours)
6 pm start fasting
-----------------------------------------
Day 4
8 am fast
1 pm fast
fasted 24 hours (until 6 pm)
6 pm dinner
Bed time snack allowed
-----------------------------------------
ETC., etc., etc., etc., etc.,


So, if you call the day you start fasting at 6 PM, day ONE and the next day TWO, etc. THEN you could say on ODD days you can eat until 6 PM AND on EVEN days you cannot eat (at all) until 6 PM.

Dr. Mike had some reasoning for choosing this particular timing, but I can’t remember what it was - and am not going to go back and look for it. As I recall, it had to do with the feeling that this would be easier to follow. You have NO days that you cannot have something to eat. Yet you do have a FULL 24 period of no food intake which helps the body “clean out” the cells of “garbage” proteins. These are malformed proteins that cannot be used and contribute to aging.

You could also claim that this probably approximates our hunting ancestors life - you know, the ones that determined our present metabolism. Here is the the scenario. The group hunts all day, finally making a kill in the late afternoon. They eat their fill and sleep. Because the animal was probably large, they could not eat it all at once. SO when they wake in the morning, there is still something to eat. Even in hot Africa, the meat would not spoil over night. By the time the whole carcass has been eaten, it may be too late to start hunting. Thus they start a fast period which will end when a kill is made the next day.

I say it is a large animal because of our need for fat in our diet. The body fat in an animal goes up as the size of the animal goes up. Not much fat in a rabbit. A lamb will have more. And so forth. There is some evidence that we killed animals in the 200 to 500 pound range in the British Isles with something like 30% body fat.

I also would expect that the choice parts, that would spoil fastest,would be eaten first. The muscle meat would be eaten last. Also decomposition helps to make muscle meats more tender. You do know that that prime rib you ate was hung for a time in a cool, but not freezing cold room, for it to “age” - really meaning, start to rot!
Reply With Quote
  #27   ^
Old Sat, Aug-11-07, 18:48
Portail Portail is offline
Registered Member
Posts: 89
 
Plan: .
Stats: 145/135.8/118 Female .
BF:
Progress: 34%
Default IF schedule for the last 10 lbs

Thank you LarryAJ
I like fresh meat as much as the next Neanderthal, but the fasting part is not easy.
Anyway, thank you for figuring it out for me.
Portail
Reply With Quote
  #28   ^
Old Thu, Aug-16-07, 13:03
Portail Portail is offline
Registered Member
Posts: 89
 
Plan: .
Stats: 145/135.8/118 Female .
BF:
Progress: 34%
Default Losing the last 3.6 pounds

To my great surprise, IF (one meal a day...22/2) is working for me.
My one meal is between 6 and 8 pm and is low-carb, high-protein, optimal nutrition.
Not being a purist, I do have coffee in the morning (decaf with 32% cream and Splenda).
Many thanks to all for explaining this great technique.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 21:27.


Copyright © 2000-2017 Active Low-Carber Forums @ forum.lowcarber.org
Powered by: vBulletin, Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.