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check out the times website for all the comments posted in response to this article!

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/co...icle1874673.ece

From The Sunday Times
June 3, 2007


Save the planet, eat a vegan
Jeremy Clarkson

Good news. It seems that your car and your fondness for sunken light bulbs in every alcove are not warming up the planet after all.

In fact, according to new research, power stations and transport produce lots of carbon dioxide, but in addition they also produce lots of aerosols that, in the short term at least, help keep the planet as cool as a deodorant model’s armpits.

So who has come up with this new theory? Some half-crazed nitwit with a motoring show to protect? George Bush? A bloke in the pub? No. In fact it comes from an organisation called EarthSave, which is run and funded, so far as I can tell, by the usual array of free-range communists and fair trade hippies.

The facts it produces, however, are intriguing. Methane, which pours from a cow’s bottom on an industrial scale every few minutes, is 21 times more powerful as a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide. And as a result, farmed animals are doing more damage to the climate than all the world’s transport and power stations put together.

What’s more, demand for beef means more and more of the world’s forests are being chopped down, and more and more pressure is being put on our water supplies.

Plainly, then, EarthSave is encouraging us to go into the countryside at the first possible opportunity and lay waste to anything with more than one stomach. Maybe it wants me to shoot my donkeys. Happily what it’s actually saying is that you can keep your car and your walk-in fridge, but you’ve got to stop eating meat.

In fact you’ve got to stop eating all forms of animal products. No more milk. No more cheese. And if it can be proven that bees fart, then no more honey either. You’ve got to become a vegan.

Now of course if you don’t like the taste of meat, then it’s perfectly reasonable to become a vegetablist. It’s why people who don’t like, say, John Prescott become Conservatives. But becoming a vegan? Short of being paraded on the internet while wearing a fluffy pink tutu, I can think of nothing I’d like less.

Eating a plate of food that contains no animal product of any kind marks you down as a squirrel. Eating only vegetables is like deciding to talk using only consonants. You need vowels or you make no sense.

Of course there are certain weeds I like very much. Cauliflower and leeks particularly. But these are an accompaniment to food, useful only for filling up the plate and absorbing the gravy. The idea of eating only a cauliflower, without even so much as a cheese sauce, fills me with dread.

There are wider implications, too. Let us imagine that the world decided today to abandon its appetite for sausage rolls, joints of beef and meat-infused Mars bars. What effect would this have on the countryside?

Where now you find fields full of grazing cows and truffling pigs, there would be what exactly?

Hardcore vegetablists like to imagine that the land would be returned to the indigenous species, that you could go for a walk without a farmer shooting your dog, and that you’d see all manner of pretty flowers and lots of jolly new creatures. Wolves, for instance.

In fact if animal farmers were driven away, the land would be divided up in two ways. Some would be given over to the growing of potatoes – the ugliest crop in Christendom – and the rest would be bought by rock stars. Either way, Janet Street-Porter and her ridiculous gaggle of ramblers in their noisy clothes and stupid hats would still get short shrift.

What’s more, there’d be no grassland because there’d be no animals to graze. And there’d be no woods either because without pheasants what’s the point? I’m sure EarthSave dreams of a land as pristine as nature intended but it’d be no such thing. Within about three weeks Britain would look like Saskatchewan.

So plainly the best thing we can do if we want to save the world, preserve the English countryside and keep on eating meat, is to work out a way that animals can be made to produce less methane.

Scientists in Germany are working on a pill that helps, but apparently this has a number of side effects. These are not itemised, but I can only assume that if you trap the gas inside the cow one of the drawbacks is that it might explode. Nasty.

And unnecessary. We all know that the activity of our bowels is governed by our diet. We know, for instance, that if we have an afternoon meeting with a bunch of top sommeliers in a small windowless room it’s best not to lunch on brussel sprouts and baked beans.

Recently I spent eight days in a car with my co-host from Top Gear James May, who has a notoriously flatulent bottom. But because he was living on army rations – mashed up Greenpeace leaflets to which you add water – the interior was always pine fresh and lemon zesty.

So if we know – and we do – that diet can be used to regulate the amount of methane coming out of the body, then surely it is not beyond the wit of man to change the diet of farmyard animals.

At the moment, largely, cows eat grass and silage, and as we’ve seen, this is melting the ice caps and killing us all. So they need a new foodstuff: something that is rich in iron, calcium and natural goodness.

Plainly they can’t eat meat so here’s an idea to chew on. Why don’t we feed them vegetarians?
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For some reasons, the anti-animal eating crowd keeps forgetting that rice growing is a major source of methane.
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Seems to me we had a whole lot of buffalos and caribou on this here continent once, and nary a melted iceberg in sight. It would be interesting to crunch the numbers - what is the total number of methane-producing critters worldwide now as compared to, say, a couple of hundred years ago?

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I love Jeremy clarkson - the author of this piece!

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Seems to me we had a whole lot of buffalos and caribou on this here continent once, and nary a melted iceberg in sight. It would be interesting to crunch the numbers - what is the total number of methane-producing critters worldwide now as compared to, say, a couple of hundred years ago?

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and i wonder if those critters (ruminants) would be producing as much methane if they were eating grass instead of grains.
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OK, did a VERY cursory internet search, and this is what I came up with:
-There are about 1 billion cows today, producing 15% of atmospheric methane (the percentage is debatable).
-There were about 60-100 million bison in the past. OK, this is way less than cattle today, but I didn't check for past or present populations of other ruminants (methane-producing beasties).
-The global cattle population has doubled over the past 40 years
-Plants produce an estimated 10-30% of all atmospheric methane
-Other methane sources include petroleum drilling, coal mining, solid-waste landfills, rice paddies, and wetlands
-It seems to be generally agreed that what cattle eat affects the amount of methane they produce

Well, 15% is a lot (though some claim the percentage is actually lower), but still a relatively small amount compared to other methane sources, including plants - both agricultural and otherwise.

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Plant life uses CO2 as a source of nutrient and apparently as CO2 increases, vegetation grows faster, which if left unchecked will cause global cooling!!! As for methane, the oceans apparently provide most of all methane emmisions. Cows, vegetarians and other ruminants dont even figure!
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Actually aerosols from diesel engines can effect the climate. It was aerosols from the US and western Europe during the 1980's that likely caused the famine in Ethiopia. Once these aerosols were controlled the rains came back to that part of Africa and the famine ended. It is also likely that aerosols are the reason why the earth's temperature didn't rise as fast as many earlier models predicted. It is only now that aerosols are being controlled that global warming is really starting to ramp up.

By making silly arguments that try to link global climate change to being a vegan you just end up making both positions look silly. By doing this the vegans are becoming part of the problem IMHO.
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Old Fri, Jun-08-07, 08:41
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-There are about 1 billion cows today, producing 15% of atmospheric methane (the percentage is debatable).

Rachel

What I found was that cattle produce <2% while Termites produce 11%.
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If I ate a vegan diet, I think I'd produce more methane than the cows do.
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Bovine Beano?

I grew up on a dairy farm with about 400 of these methane-spewers....and remember late one night, when the air was suddenly punctuated with loud animal bellows. My father came out with this large Bowie knife and said one of the herd must be bloated - he was going to plunge the blade into the suffering cow's stomach to relieve its gas. Amazingly, the cow lived...
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