Me again :-P

I read Atkins book 2 times now, but some things on this forum are confusing me. Or should I say... things are going from complex to crazy.

Now, after reading the book, and learning all about induction, OWL... , and what foods are ok to eat and so on... PLUS reading posts on this forum, I feel like I everything I do is wrong.

For example:

1) Cheeze is good or not? The book says cheeze is ok on induction, but then I read that cheeze can stall weight loss. Don't take away my cheeze that's all I have...

2) Salt and water. Drink water don'T eat salty food. So... I guess it's not enough to cut 99% of the food items I used to eat, now I can stall because I eat too much salt and don't drink enough water? I drink as much as I can, and it'S impossible to be drinking water all day long.

3) Chicken and sugar. I read that some food markets marinate chicken in a sugary water solution before they sell them, or broil them for hot sale? AFFFFFF...

4) Bacon was Ok in the book, but I read it has too much salt and can make be stall;

5) I was told by a forum member "If your weight doesn'T go down fast enough, you may be eating TOO MUCH calories; low carbing is not enough";

6) I was told by a another forum member "If your weight doesn'T go down fast enough, you may be eating NOT ENOUGH calories; low carbing is not enough";

7) I found somewhere someone saying that we should eat lots of fat to lose weight faster. Some even drink vegetable oil from the jar. But, I was eating bacon and cheeze for the fat but I fear that too now.... And I WILL NOT DRINK OIL. There is a limit.

8) Some even mention having lost 50 pounds in 4 months, then gaining it all back, and some more, because they slipped a few times. WTH ! Is this diet like a rubber band ? You strech you body and metabolism to its limit, lose weight, then... SNAP... your body hold on to every molecule of carbs to make fat reserves like a mad machine ?

SOOOOOOOooooooo

This diet is getting crazier but the day. I can't follow all the recommendations, because they often contradict one another.

It's like... I exercise, eat low-carb, do everything I can to be honest and correct, but I still can STALL.

This has got to be the most complex diet to follow. On top, everyone is giving me grief telling me if I continue with this diet I will be sick.

Basically just follow the book and if you stall these are suggestions that have worked for some of the people. Everyone's body is different-we don't lose the same way. You're making this much too complicated-follow the book and then check back if you stall.

Don't worry about ANY of that, unless you go for four weeks or more without losing any weight. THEN it's time to evaluate what you're eating and see if there's any places where you can tweak things and see if it helps.

As long as you're losing weight, you're doing everything right.

Remember, you're not going to lose weight EVERY day, or EVERY week. That doesn't mean you're not doing it right. Sometimes your body needs time to adjust to your NEW weight before it's ready to shed any more.

Like lisabinil said; if you stall, check back. if you don't, don't worry!

Yes, you are way overcomplicating things. I don't often give this advice, but maybe you should stay away from these forums for a while until you have a good handle on your new diet. The Atkins diet is as it is written in the book. Follow that.

All the other stuff you are reading here is extra advice for people that are still having a hard time losing even when following the advice of the book.

To be honest, as a man, you have an advantage over all us women, we have a harder time losing weight than you men do. You'll probably have no trouble losing weight at all. Just follow the directions in the book.

Val

I too would say just stick to the book.

There is no reason to make any changes AT ALL unless you stall. And yes, it is possible to stall, although I can honestly say that following the book I lost all my weight with no stalls....and it was probably my 10th time losing weight.


I ate cheese about 2 ounces a week and ate bacon sausage or processed meat about 1 meal a week, but those were my choices from Day one, so I can't say whether they would have stalled me or not to eat them every day.

I know I'm one of those people that says some of those confusing things, but I didn't start playing around with the diet until I was BELOW my goal, and I shouldn't have done it then! I should have left well enough alone.

Good luck...don't overcomplicate it!

Just follow the book. All the members of this forum (including myself) can do is offer suggestions based on their own experience. For people who hit a rough spot and stop losing, the suggestions are just some things for them to consider and perhaps try out. None of us here wrote the book. As long as you're losing well, just stick with the instructions Dr. A. gave in the book.

Everything in moderation. I agree, follow the book, and if you hit a stall, then start looking more closely.
I have a very long way to go, and I'm not being ultra picky about things now, because I am losing. I'm not worrying about hidden carbs, or some bacon, or cheese. Excess salt, yes.
But once I get further on, I may find that certain things cause problems, so I'll adjust things to suit.

Don't make things more complicated than you need to, it's a huge lifestyle change.

good luck

"1) Cheeze is good or not? The book says cheeze is ok on induction, but then I read that cheeze can stall weight loss. Don't take away my cheeze that's all I have..."

In limited quantities and not if you have yeast symptoms. Not an unlimited thing

"2) Salt and water. Drink water don'T eat salty food. So... I guess it's not enough to cut 99% of the food items I used to eat, now I can stall because I eat too much salt and don't drink enough water? I drink as much as I can, and it'S impossible to be drinking water all day long."

Eat salt to taste - just don't go overboard with crazy thinks like lunchmeat. Good, natural foods with salt added by you will always be better than that stuff. I am partial to Gruyere cheese that really crunches when you eat it due to the salt. I eat it, I just don't eat everything salty.

"3) Chicken and sugar. I read that some food markets marinate chicken in a sugary water solution before they sell them, or broil them for hot sale? AFFFFFF..."

Yes, happens. At my local buffet, you can taste it.

"4) Bacon was Ok in the book, but I read it has too much salt and can make be stall;"

Maybe, but then nitrates and additives are far worse. If you stick with a good nitrate-free bacon you may be OK. We sometimes buy bacon that we actually have to salt, because it doesn't have enough.

"5) I was told by a forum member "If your weight doesn'T go down fast enough, you may be eating TOO MUCH calories; low carbing is not enough";

6) I was told by a another forum member "If your weight doesn'T go down fast enough, you may be eating NOT ENOUGH calories; low carbing is not enough";"

Both can be true. At your weight it is more likely you are not eating enough calories. My husband who is ten pounds from goal has trouble with eating less.

"7) I found somewhere someone saying that we should eat lots of fat to lose weight faster. Some even drink vegetable oil from the jar. But, I was eating bacon and cheeze for the fat but I fear that too now.... And I WILL NOT DRINK OIL. There is a limit."

Vegetable oil from the jar is terrible for you. We eat too much vegetable oil and it is bad for our heart and indistrially processed (polyunsaturated oils). My husband eats bacon fat and we are generous with olive oil on our salads(both good fats) and I drink heavy cream in my coffee and make sure to eat fat on my meat and butter when I can. Make herbed butter to put on top of your steak. Make ice cream with coffee and no sugar - tastes great. There are other ways of getting more fat.


"It's like... I exercise, eat low-carb, do everything I can to be honest and correct, but I still can STALL."

Did you read about the lady who stalled for four months on Atkins before she lost an ounce? It can happen to anyone.

Janine

Its different for everyone and their bodies! If you are losing eating cheese and bacon then eat it! If you aren't then maybe add some veggies...its different for all!! You'll figure it out! Just follow the book and you'll be fine!!

PROMISE!!!

There are vegetable oils you can buy that aren't hydrogenated, and contain EFA's which means they are GOOD fats, which are not "terrible" for you. I'd be more concerned about your husband downing bacon grease than I would be about vegetable oil. Bacon fat is saturated fat, which not among the type of fat you should consume in large quanities.

Liquid vegetable oils are not hydrogenated but they are widely considered to be essentially unhealthful according to everything I have read recently about fats, even in the popular press. Lard (real lard, not the hydrogenated lard found in supermarkets) is monounsaturated - it has the same fat properties as olive oil. I have never read anything credible that claimed that salad oil - soybean, corn, etc. wasn't harmful. Not as harmful as transfats, but harmful nonetheless. And salad oil used in cooking turns into transfats. What do you propose to eat if you consider saturated fat bad? You would have to cut out most natural sources of fat and rely on industrially processed oils chemically rendered from genetically modified plants. Plenty of people on this forum, including me, have increased their consumption of saturated fats to good effects.

Janine

Liquid vegetable oils such as plam, coconut, and cottonseed oil ARE saturated fats.

UNsaturated fats are the healthier fats. This fat is found in things like avacados, olive oil, nuts, soybeans, and canola oil. Meat contains amounts of saturated AND unsaturated fats.


If you're convinced that saturated fat is good for your health, then by all means keep gulping it down!

the process of hydrogenation that turns fats into TRANS fats, is adding more hydrogen - thus making it more SATURATED.

Also, how do you propose that salad oil used in cooking turns into trans fat?

"Liquid vegetable oils such as plam, coconut, and cottonseed oil ARE saturated fats."

We have palm oil sitting on our counter - it is solid at room temperature. Coconut oil has many fans and is lauded for its health propertied - we don't eat it because it comes from too far away. Don't know much about cottonseed oil.

UNsaturated fats are the healthier fats. This fat is found in things like avacados, olive oil, nuts, soybeans, and canola oil. Meat contains amounts of saturated AND unsaturated fats.

Can't agree about canola oil and olive oil burns at high temperature. Rendering chicken fat is a much easier process than getting oil out of soybeans and we can do it at home.


If you're convinced that saturated fat is good for your health, then by all means keep gulping it down!

"the process of hydrogenation that turns fats into TRANS fats, is adding more hydrogen - thus making it more SATURATED."

I have never heard of trans fats being the same as saturated fats. As far as I can tell, the only definition of saturated fat I have ever seen is that it is solid at room temperature. I know that the chemistry is different. Maybe you can explain how superheated soybean oil becomes just like tallow or butter.

"Also, how do you propose that salad oil used in cooking turns into trans fat?"

That is what happens to liquid oil when you heat it - anyway, that's what all the books say. Are they all getting it wrong? I don't have the best understanding - my husband has done all the fats research in our house, but I trust him (and countless others who say the same thing, mostly on this board).

Janine

http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyou...wtransform.html

Of course, you have to consider the source on that one, but still... I remember reading this really complicated explanation of why we shouldn't heat certain oils that didn't have to do with carbon/smoke and the tie to cancer.

I'm interested in hearing the reason why Canola oil isn't a good oil to consume. I've heard it repeatedly, but I've never heard a reason.

It's high in Omega-6 so it gets us off balance. My hubby is reminding me that I was right in thinking before that there are no trans fats formed, just carbon and yucky stuff like the above-poster says. They also use a lot of chemicals for extraction unless they are cold-pressed.