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Old Mon, May-14-07, 10:11
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Question Still pushing Grains for Health

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Compared with people who ate virtually no whole grains, those with a high daily intake of whole grains (2.5 daily servings) were 21 percent less likely to have heart disease. That finding takes other heart disease risk factors into account.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007...in2792211.shtml

Of the 149,000 participants how many were overweight?

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... be savvy about food labels. "Foods labeled with the words 'multi-grain,' 'stone-ground,' '100% wheat,' 'seven-grain,' or 'bran' are usually not whole-grain products," states the USDA.
Brown bread isn't necessarily whole grain, either. The brown color may come from molasses or other added ingredients.

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Old Mon, May-14-07, 15:36
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I take it that eating no whole grains means eating all refined grains. Sure, switching from refined grains is better for you, but what about eating little or no grains, whole or refined???? I don't know of any studies comparing whole grains to no grains, but I'll bet the no grain option would be even better.

I used to eat a lot of whole grains, but I just got fatter & fatter and ended up diabetic. Now that I've cut back on grains, as well as sugar, I'm getting better.
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Old Mon, May-14-07, 16:11
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"I used to eat a lot of whole grains, but I just got fatter & fatter and ended up diabetic. Now that I've cut back on grains, as well as sugar, I'm getting better."

Amen. My husband who is slim (141 pounds) has prediabetic symptoms with any grains. I take him to be the Early Warning Signal and I've cut them out completely, to great gain.

Janine
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Old Mon, May-14-07, 16:18
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For a level-headed perspective on this pretend 'study' see:


http://junkfoodscience.blogspot.com...numerology.html

The science is iffy and flimsy. But since it's 'politically fashionable' it gets a free ride. No one questions its reliabilty or methods.

Scary to see what gets in the papers.
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Old Mon, May-14-07, 16:53
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"I used to eat a lot of whole grains, but I just got fatter & fatter and ended up diabetic. Now that I've cut back on grains, as well as sugar, I'm getting better."

Amen. My husband who is slim (141 pounds) has prediabetic symptoms with any grains. I take him to be the Early Warning Signal and I've cut them out completely, to great gain.

Janine

I too am (was - last A1C = 5.1%) diabetic. Whole grains (oats, barley, even Bulgar wheat) in moderation don't raise my blood sugar at all. I like barley in soup, Irish oats in my Haggis (don't scoff, it's good) and Bulgar wheat instead of rice under my shrimp creole. A long as I don't overdo it I'm fine. What hits me hard is anything made from flour (whole? wheat or not). I think everyone has a certain tolerance to this kind of abuse and you have to find your own level.
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Old Mon, May-14-07, 16:59
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Even worse, my stomach was constantly swollen, continuous diarrhea, flatulence... if this is their definition of good health, I'd rather be without it!
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Old Mon, May-14-07, 17:20
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Originally Posted by K Walt
For a level-headed perspective on this pretend 'study' see:


http://junkfoodscience.blogspot.com...numerology.html

The science is iffy and flimsy. But since it's 'politically fashionable' it gets a free ride. No one questions its reliabilty or methods.

Scary to see what gets in the papers.

I agree that this study is effectively useless however meta analysis does have some worth when done objectively and without bias (very tricky when you're trying to please a patron). It can identify trends and areas worthy of further study. It usually ends up like Ancil Keyes' study which cherry picked the studies to supported his preconcluded ideas.
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Old Tue, May-15-07, 10:27
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I too am (was - last A1C = 5.1%) diabetic. Whole grains (oats, barley, even Bulgar wheat) in moderation don't raise my blood sugar at all. I like barley in soup, Irish oats in my Haggis (don't scoff, it's good) and Bulgar wheat instead of rice under my shrimp creole. A long as I don't overdo it I'm fine. What hits me hard is anything made from flour (whole? wheat or not). I think everyone has a certain tolerance to this kind of abuse and you have to find your own level.


It's weird because I fit the "diabetic profile" (overweight, etc.) but it is my husband who cannot handle any sugar whatsoever - no high-sugar fruits, grains or anything. He is thin and active. Combining your grains with fat and protein probably helps keep it under control. I am no grain in solidarity but I also think it is helping me control cravings and weight.

Janine
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Old Tue, May-15-07, 10:55
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I agree that this study is effectively useless however meta analysis does have some worth when done objectively and without bias (very tricky when you're trying to please a patron). It can identify trends and areas worthy of further study. It usually ends up like Ancil Keyes' study which cherry picked the studies to supported his preconcluded ideas.

I love that junkscience blog.

What I hate about these meta-analysis is they're constantly publishing policy recommendations based on them that really aren't supported by the data, as the Junkfood science blog points out.
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