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Old Sun, Aug-06-06, 00:43
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I Love this article and wanted to share it with you all, I am going through hard times in my marriage due to my weight ( him not being interested in me anymore) and eventhough I know I must lose this weight to get my husband to be attracted to me again , its not an easy task especailly when he is cold and distant , all I end up wanting to do it eat to comfort myself. anyway I just wanted to share my feelings with you all. and this article.

The weight issue
by: Rabbi Shmuley Boteach

Newsweek recently reported that between Dunkin' Donuts and Krispy Kreme, Americans consume more than 14 million donuts per day. Now, given that about half of that is eaten by New York city cops, that still leaves a good few million to be eaten by women, especially housewives.

If I had a dollar for every e-mail I've received over the last few months from husbands who complain that their wives are too fat – and they have no idea how to tell them diplomatically that they should lose a ton or two – I might be making as much money as Dick Grasso.

These husbands write to me in order to contest my assertion – made principally in my book "Kosher Adultery: Seduce and Sin With Your Spouse," but repeated in many of my essays – that their loss of attraction to their wives has little to do with their wives' appearance and everything to due with too much familiarity and a laziness on the part of husbands who don't strive to bring erotic playfulness into their marriage.

"Oh yeah," said one writer, "nothing would make me happier than for me and my wife to have a passionate sex life again. But let's get real. When we married she was a size six. Now she has trouble squeezing into a size 18." Another husband echoed the sentiment: "Being married to my wife, I feel like a polygamist. She's so large, it's like I'm married to two women. She was half this size a few years ago."

There are other comedians out there like Stan, who wrote to me: "Don't lecture me Shmuley about how I am to blame for not feeling attracted to my wife. While some guys get to see their wives in bikinis, I am afraid to take my wife to the beach for fear that she'll get harpooned."

Other husbands write to me with a more reflective approach:

I partially agree with you, Shmuley, that the lack of passion in our marriage results from a man's – or in this case my own – tendency to be uncreative and allow ourselves to fall into a routine. But there is the real problem of my wife's having put on a lot of weight. I have tried everything to encourage her to diet, go to a gym, and generally take care of herself. I have even suggested we diet together. She takes offense at each suggestion and kicks me out of the bed, which is OK since I barely fit in anyway. Added to that is the increasing growth of her facial hair, about which she does next to nothing. So on the rare occasions when we make love, I find myself thinking about other women.

The generic term for a wife who doesn't take care of herself is a woman who "let herself go." Husbands who are married to women who let themselves go use it as ample justification for either their indulgence in pornography, affairs or having little or no sex with their wives. It's a convenient way of passing the buck and blaming the wife for the loss of marriage's most important ingredient: attraction.

But before we get all cozy with this notion that wives have decided to indulge their maternal instincts by appearing permanently pregnant and devouring even the wood of the kitchen cupboards, let's delve a little deeper.

First, there is something just a little hypocritical in the contemporary contention of husbands that only their wives need appear sexy while they can have endless folds of whale blubber hanging down their stomachs. Sorry guys, but just as you don't want to be married to Aunt Jemima, she doesn't want to be married to the Pillsbury Dough Boy. You complain that it is challenging making love to the Goodyear Blimp, but having the Michelin Man climb on top of you might not be the most pleasurable experience either. It cuts both ways. If you want her to get rid of her thunder-thighs, then perhaps you should consider taking a chainsaw to your love handles.

Added to this unjust double standard is the number of husbands who forget just how grossed out wives are with men's peculiar deficiencies in matters of personal hygiene. Eating ear wax might be your idea of a wholesome meal, but it might cause your wife to regurgitate her lunch. And wives don't find flatulence as entertaining or savory as their husbands believe. You wouldn't break wind in front of your boss, so maybe you should think twice about doing it in front of your wife.

Second, and much more important, is the question of who or what is to blame for the burgeoning size of the American wife. Some would say it's the fact that after having children her misshapen belly can often not throw off the added weight. But that's a spurious argument because there are plenty of women who return to their normal weight even after triplets.

Blaming the kids for being bloated is an unfair burden to slam on your children. Somehow I don't think that telling your kid, "Mommy and I used to have great sex and I was wildly attracted to her until she had you and started to look like a hippo" is going to do wonders for your child's self-esteem.

Still others attribute a wife "letting herself go" to the enormous responsibilities of women who have to balance family and career, leaving them little time for a healthy diet and exercise. No doubt there is much truth in this assertion. And yet, these same wives who have little time to look after themselves in their marriage suddenly find a huge amount of time to beautify themselves when and if they decide to have an affair. Indeed, studies show that one of the biggest giveaways of a wife having an affair is when she suddenly begins exercising, dieting and wearing silk undergarments instead of cotton.

Which leads me to the following controversial, yet, in my opinion, unassailable conclusion: When wives put on a lot of weight, it is almost always the fault of an inattentive or distracted husband. When their looks no longer mean anything to them, it's because they're married to someone who they don't think would notice anyway.

Women love being attractive. Sure, there are exceptions to the rule, like body-building she-men or tomboys for whom overalls and armpit odor is heavenly. But, by and large, even brainy career women who wish to be appreciated for their minds rather than their bodies still wish to be physically desirable. What woman doesn't want to be regarded as beautiful? How much more so a married woman who revels in her husband's attention. And when a wife suddenly starts growing a beard and doesn't go to a beautician, or puts on an extra load and doesn't run to the dietician, she is behaving unnaturally and we have to ask why.

The blame lies with her husband who long ago stopped noticing her when she did get dressed up, so she concludes: "Why bother? With all the responsibilities I have with the kids, my job and running the home, why put time into my appearance when he never looks anyway."

The healthiest diet for a woman is to feed off her husband's compliments. When told by the man she loves that she is beautiful, a woman is given the incentive to live up to the compliment. Silence and indifference, however, bloat her up and make her fat. Indeed, marriage runs on what I call the football-fat equation. Every one hour he puts into watching mindless TV sports equals one extra pound on his wife's backside. Pretty soon, his wife starts looking like a linebacker.

A man from Los Angeles wrote to me about how his wife grew faster horizontally than their 2-year-old grew vertically. He told me he was disgusted by her weight, but chose to say nothing because he didn't want an argument. "There is no easy way to tell your wife she's fat," he wrote.

"Yes," I agreed. "But there is a very easy way to prevent it from happening in the first place. Did you tell her how beautiful she was when she was thinner? Did you compliment her when she did up her hair? When was the last time you took her to the mall to buy clothes, helped her try it on, and told her what she looks best in?"

He admitted that he had not done any of these things in years. Is it a puzzle why she gave up? Would a woman who lived alone on a desert island get dressed up every day to please the coconut trees? And if she lives alone in the solitary island of a lonely marriage, will she not console herself by indulging in the sensual pleasure of food when she is bereft of the sensual pleasure of touch and sex?

While husbandly apathy is the main cause of a wife's weight gain, telling her she is beautiful even when she is overweight is a better weight-loss program than the Atkins, South Beach, and Dr. Phil diets combined. If your wife has grown too wide, encourage her to trim down – not by telling her she's fat, but by telling her she's gorgeous. Her feeling that you watch her beauty will inspire her to watch her weight. This might sound simplistic – and it is. Simply stated, it works.

Last summer, I bumped into a couple with whom I was friendly more than a decade ago. I remembered the wife as a woman of great beauty and sparkling eyes. But now her body was bloated, her face was shriveled. While she still smiled brightly, she otherwise looked horrible. As I subsequently discovered, her husband had gone through a rough financial period.

Unable to support his family and falling increasingly into debt, his self-esteem plummeted as well. He would come home every day in a depressed state and offer his wife monosyllabic responses to her questions. Whereas once he had been attentive, he now came home and got straight onto his computer for hours on end. A week turned into a month, a month into a year, and soon he was barely noticing that his wife was alive.

True, he had lost a lot of money, but he still had life's greatest blessing: a young and beautiful wife who loved him. But unable to appreciate her, she became as unhappy as him, and her looks went out the door along with their credit. When I saw her, I told her she looked beautiful. It wasn't a lie. Her beauty was still there, covered over by all her misery. It could still come out, if only her husband would unearth it with laser-like focus. There is a direct correlation between a husband's attention to his wife, and a wife's attention to her looks.

The next time you notice your wife has added a couple of pounds, perhaps it is you, rather than she, who should be looking in the mirror.
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Old Sun, Aug-06-06, 23:56
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what a great article! thanks, I'm going to print it out so my husband can read it!
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I thought it was a horrible article! All about how physical beauty is SO important, and whose fault it is if we don't achieve it.
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I think there is a lot of truth to it, I have been in that situation before, and i did feel like since he did not care, why should I, also when I did at that time lose all the weight and get beautiful it was because i was divorcing him and felt better about me, now it is years later, and this time it is different, because i have been single for a long time, but still get lots of compliments, so I just suppose it is all on me now
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Old Mon, Aug-07-06, 08:33
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You do have a point PS Diva. I just didn't look at it that way when I read it. It sort of sounded to me that the way we feel on the inside is showing on the outside. I related to the need to feel loved and accepted by our significant other more than the physical beauty part of it.
The point of it was that in marriage we tend to take each other for granted to the point that it causes some major difficulties.
You are right though, we shouldn't blame one another for weight problems, we should be working on treating each other right in the first place and encouraging each other along the way.
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Old Mon, Aug-07-06, 10:35
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Interesting how we can read the same piece and see it so differently! But I guess it is the differences that make life so interesting.

TheMiss, if you can take a second look at it I guess I can too. And I will concede your point about how we feel on the inside showing on the outside.

I am not sure what to make of the fact that it is written by a Rabbi who is hoping I assume, that we can all just get along.
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Old Mon, Aug-07-06, 20:57
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ps Diva, I understand how you feel and thats how I felt at first upon reading the beginning on the article, but I also read a book called , for women only,
written by Shaunti Feldhahn, and in it explains how a man feels when the women he is married to gains weight , and also how "visual" men are ,
I know most women feel that marriage is for better for worse so he is suppost to love me for me , no matter how much weight I gain or how different I start to look in our marriage , right? .
but after really learning about how a man feels when his wife "lets herself go", so to speak, I really feel for these men ( and my husband) that have wives who have let themselves go,( as I have for the past 2 years) I hope you can somewhat understand, I guess what triggered my own "letting myself go", was finding out my husband had a affair with his exwife, I got so angry and bitter about that and I just thought well " why even try to look good if he is going to be gone all the time cheating on me ", "why even try", so I started stuffing my face with chocolate and whatever sweets I could find to comfort myself, well I totally regret that now, ofcourse I always felt bad after comforting myself with food as you all know its not really a comfort you just end up feeling sick to your tummy from junk food.
however dont get me wrong here I know that just because a women gains weight it does not give the man a right to cheat ,or look at porn or think about other women during sex. I know there is no excuse for that, but I am a Christian women who has decided to forgive my husband ( still struggleing with total forgiveness) but doing my best, and standing in Faith that God will repair my marriage.
praying the article will bless thoughs who read it.
Love Lisa
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Wow, Lisa. You're carrying quite a load on your shoulders. Makes me wonder exactly what your husband is carrying while you're so weighed down. At any rate I hope the price you've paid for the love of your man is returned tenfold, because no one deserves unconditional love, acceptance and fidelity more.

All the best to you, truly.
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Lisa,
I don't want to belittle what you have gone through at all. It sounds like you have quite a burden to bear. I guess my objections to the article were based on my perception that the author was suggesting that not only was it reasonable for a partner to lose interest in a spouse who gains weight, but that the failure of the marriage is the fault of the person who has gained weight.

I worry about things like that because I hope that if I were disfigured by a fire or auto accident I hope that my family would still care about me and not value me any less. When my son was undergoing treatment for cancer there was a period where he looked odd because of the treatments. I was very aware of the differences in his appearance, but my love for him was not affected in any way. He was still him.

I am getting older, things are happening to my body that I don't like. But while I would like to look better than I do, I really wouldn't appreciate any pressure from anyone else to improve my looks. I'm really doing the best I can. I put enough pressure on myself!
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ps diva, I understand how you feel, and I guess I am kindof on both sides of the fence on this one, I do feel a husband should love his wife unconditionally but I also feel that a wife should do her best at keeping herself beautiful inside and out, notice I said do her BEST, and if the husband such as mine is not happy with her doing her best to be beautiful then , as the end of the article says, maybe its him that should be looking in the mirror!. and I agree that inner beauty is way more important then outward beauty. I am just speaking for myself that I want to be the best I can be.
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Just as a point of interest I googled Shmuley Boteach and found he is the Rabbi on TLCs Shalom in the Home. He is an author and a lecturer. He is also a radio host, which is something I did not know. Reading the blurbs on his book jackets lets me know that we could have several long opinionated discussions based on his assertions. I imagine that's half the reason he makes the statements he makes...
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Re:we could have several long opinionated discussions based on his assertions. I imagine that's half the reason he makes the statements he makes...
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and I did not know that eather I am not saying I like the guy I just liked the article, and did not want to step on anyones toes by posting it, I dont really get what your point is by debating me over this man, or his writings.believe me I wont ever post another writing of his again, because I dont want to upset anyone. I joined this group to get support in my weightloss and to also be supportive to others not to debate over a article or a RABBI.
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I liked the article too and reading it made me realize that what he is saying is true. Thanks for posting it Lisa!!

I wish you every success in making things better in your marriage!! Nobody can fault you for not trying...thats for sure!!
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A great article.

Thanks Lisa
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I'm sorry I offended you, Lisa. Many people liked the article you posted. I didn't, and said so. I see no reason that you shouldn't feel free to post any article that you come across. Obviously a lot of people enjoyed and even agreed with it.

But wasn't the point of posting it so that we could read it and comment on it?
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