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For overweight children, are "fat camps' a solution?

From the New York Times

By ABBY ELLIN

Two summers ago, Alexis Werth Mason was 12 years old and weighed 133 pounds. Not huge, but at 4-foot-11, she was heavier than she wanted to be.

Shopping was painful. Classmates teased her. A neighbor told her that she was too big to pull on his sled. After desperately trying - and failing - at diets, her mother, Bonnie Werth, asked if she wanted to go to a weight-loss camp.

"She said, 'I can't go to a fat camp, Mommy, all the kids will make fun of me,' " Ms. Werth, the president of Team Services, a marketing firm in Woodbury, N.Y., recalled. "But I convinced her to go."

"It wasn't so much the weight loss," Ms. Werth said, "but I wanted her to be around other kids with the same problems. She felt very isolated and alone in her issues."

Alexis, who is known as Lexi, spent eight weeks at Camp Shane, in Ferndale, N.Y., and lost 25 pounds. She has kept off every ounce since.

This is a big deal.

It is easy, after all, to lose weight in a controlled environment, but it is a different story when you are back home and faced with temptations like pizza and ice cream and get little to no exercise. So it's not surprising that many children who attend weight-loss camps regain the weight.

"Coming home from camp was hard," Lexi, now 14, said. "I knew what I had to do, but I saw everyone eating at school. When you see all your friends pigging out and watching old movies and crying and stuff, you want to join in. It's peer pressure. So I ate in moderation."

Thousands of young people will be spending this summer at weight-loss camps, a popular option for parents who have no idea how to inspire their children to shed pounds. It is a slowly growing industry. Nationwide, there are about a dozen camps devoted strictly to weight loss, four of them opened in the last year. But whether they work remains unclear.

Statistics about weight-loss camps are hard to come by. Campers often do not keep in touch with camp directors, nor do they always respond honestly to questionnaires.

But of the 1,000 campers who will weave their way this summer in and out of Tony Sparber's three New Image camps in Florida, California and the Pocono Mountains in Pennsylvania, more than half are repeat customers. The figure is about the same for the 800 campers heading to Camp Shane in the Catskills.

"Maybe they're not losing the weight specifically, but instead they're learning something that they can use 20 years down the road and put into use when they're ready," said Marla Coleman, a former president of the American Camping Association.

Ms. Coleman added: "It's education. Knowledge. It goes to everything camp does, which is experiential learning."

Perhaps more important, Ms. Coleman said, camp gives children a reprieve from weight gain and the torment they often experience back in the real world. Many play sports for the first time, and have social lives.

But that is not always the case. Danielle Rothman, now 17, spent three summers at Camp Shane. "Everyone at Shane was overweight, yet people were still being made fun of about their weight," said Ms. Rothman, who lives in Dix Hills, N.Y.. "The more overweight kids are still made fun of. I was one of the thinner kids, and people would say, 'Why are you here?' It made me feel good, but after a while I wanted to hit them."

Weight-loss camps usually run for three weeks, six weeks or eight week sessions, and they cost about $7,500 for the entire summer - about $1,500 more than nonspecialized camps. Campers get about 1,500 calories a day, and campers generally spend three to four hours a day doing some kind of physical activity, as well other activities like drama or arts and crafts. There are weekly weigh-ins and regular classes in nutrition and cooking.

Most camps offer sessions for campers to explore their feelings about food and weight. But critics worry that the camps are not run by people who have the necessary credentials to handle children with serious emotional baggage, and that the sessions are too short to change a lifetime of bad habits.

Teresa Guerrero worked at a camp in Southern California in 2003 and 2004, where she was a guidance counselor.

"There were a lot of very messed-up kids," said Ms. Guerrero, 26, who is a doctoral candidate in clinical and school psychology at Hofstra. "The majority of them were compulsive overeaters."

"A lot were medicated, or ate out of boredom, or cut themselves," she said. "A lot had experienced divorce or the death of a parent. They could trace the weight gain back to that. It was a big responsibility for the counselors, none of whom was really equipped to deal with it."

One of the more promising programs is offered by the two-year-old Wellspring Camps, which operates Camp Wellspring, near Lake Placid, N.Y., for young women ages 14 to 22; Wellspring Adventure Camp near Asheville, N.C., for boys and girls 11 to 16; and Western Wellspring Adventure Camp in California, for boys and girls 13 to 18.

Unlike traditional weight-loss camps, Wellspring uses a cognitive behavioral approach. Campers set goals and monitor themselves, techniques that are components of behavior modification, one of the most widely accepted approaches to long-term weight-loss success.

Each camper is responsible for her own eating and exercise habits. At meals, for example, campers get "controlled" foods, like measured entrees and dessert, and "uncontrolled" foods: berries, melons or fat-free soups. They can eat as much of the uncontrolled foods as they want, but they have to jot down the calories and fat grams in a journal, with the goal of staying under 20 grams of fat and about 1,200 calories a day.

They use pedometers and are told to aim for a minimum of 10,000 steps a day. The overall goal is to change eating habits and make new ones.

"Self-control is a process in behavioral terms - keeping track of target behaviors and systematically evaluating these behaviors and goal setting," said Dr. Daniel Kirschenbaum, a professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences at Northwestern who helped design the program, but has no financial involvement in the camps.

Dr. Kirschenbaum said self-control could be taught like any other skill through instruction, modeling and encouragement.

So far, the camps have had encouraging success. A recent study by Wellspring found that 91 percent of all its campers had maintained the weight or continued to lose six months after camp ended; the weight loss afterward averaged 7.4 pounds. The camps plan to continue tracking campers' long-term weight loss to try to persuade health insurers to cover the programs.

Still, those involved agree that the most significant factor for success is the level of parental involvement once camp ends. It is not enough for the child to return home from 30 pounds lighter if the household does not change as well - whether that means eliminating junk foods or encouraging exercise.

"The people who are successful are the parents who go the extra mile and are observant and watch their kids," said Tony Sparber, 48, who has been in the industry for 25 years.

Although all camps offer lectures for parents on visiting day, only a few show up, organizers say.

After camp ends, a New Image nutritionist calls families each month. Every two months they receive a newsletter with recipes. But Mr. Sparber acknowledges that most people do not follow through. "It starts out strong, and as time goes on it fades," he said. This year, in an effort to reach more people, he is adding an online counseling program with a nutritionist, as well as a weight management and fitness program at the Jewish Community Center in Tenafly, N.J.

Only about one-third of the campers at Camp Wellspring and Wellspring Adventure Camp adhered to its after-care program, which includes keeping a daily online journal for self-monitoring and setting goals, and chatting with a behavioral coach by phone or e-mail.

All of those who followed that regimen, sustained or continued their weight loss at the three-month mark, said Ryan Craig, president of Wellspring camps, who is also director of the Academy of the Sierras, a boarding school for obese adolescents in Reedley, Calif.

Lexi Werth Mason attributes her weight-loss success to two things: her goal of fitting into a two-piece bathing suit, and her mother. When she first returned home from camp, her mother had snack bags full of pre-cut vegetables waiting for her. Every night they discuss what Lexi can eat. The two shop together, read labels, prepare menus and cook.

"People don't have time to sit down to home-cooked meals, and they're so busy they get Big Macs," said Lexi. "At camp I learned that there's 590 calories in one, so we don't do that anymore. Now we cook dinners because I'm conscious of what I'm eating. We substitute light or fat-free for sour cream. Even if you do have a cookie every once in a while, it's not that big of a deal. You work it off."

Lexi's mother said, "My fear was that when she lost all this weight that she would get so obsessive about it that it would develop into an eating disorder."

Ms. Werth continued: "From the day she came home, I said, 'It's not about leaving all this stuff behind.' The minute you deprive yourself of everything you've loved and enjoyed, you will end up compulsively overeating. I was trying to create a balance for her and proving to her that you could have your cookies every day but in moderation."

She added, "I signed her right up for Curves, and she got on her bicycle and rode to the gym and watched everything she's eating."

Ms. Werth also locks up junk food in a kitchen cabinet, and only she has the key. Lexi said she found that helpful.

Most important for Lexi, nothing tastes as great as thin feels. And that kind of motivation is something that no diet or weight-loss camp can instill in a person.

"Last winter my friend couldn't pull me on the sled because I was too heavy, and I was really upset about it," Lexi said. "This year, I went to his house and he pulled me, and that was one of the happiest days of my life."
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Just wanted to comment on this, from one of these camps...

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Each camper is responsible for her own eating and exercise habits. At meals, for example, campers get "controlled" foods, like measured entrees and dessert, and "uncontrolled" foods: berries, melons or fat-free soups. They can eat as much of the uncontrolled foods as they want, but they have to jot down the calories and fat grams in a journal, with the goal of staying under 20 grams of fat and about 1,200 calories a day.


I can only imagine how hungry people are on that kind of a regimen, especially teenagers. I could eat a huge amount of food in my teens, and even as I gained weight in my 20's and 30's, I didn't have that same capacity.

I suspect that most of these camps are a gold mine for the operators, and that their success rate, given that they cling to lowfat dogma, can't be all that high.
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I just REALLY think this is a bad way to go. I have 3 kids two eat like horses and thin as a rail my youngest is SERIOUSLY obese. I mean seriously. I could never figure it out. As a child and up until I had my second child I was always rail thin and ate like crazy My husband was always struggling with weight and was obese as a child so my youngest must be cursed with her daddies metabolism.
Anyway I have my youngest eating what we do with the exception of more fruits and she has also been going to the gym with me every other day. I see a slow progress in her which is fine I am trying to make this fun and our "special" time together and teach her about good habits. All the while trying not to give her a bad image or damage her into puking in the toleit every meal when she's 16.
Such a tight rope, you have no idea how hard this is. Sending her to a FAT camp would be so bad an idea. I don't comment on hey your fat, I sell the mommy and grandpa both got diabetes and so the whole family is going to learn how to be healthy for life so we can be happy and enjoy our lives. I don't wanna freak her out about diabetes either lol but I want to be an example and teach her what I never learned how to eat well be healthy and happy so her life will be rich and full.
I keep thinking when I read this fat camp stories how I would feel being sent away because I was obese. Horrible. I think it's awful.
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Although all camps offer lectures for parents on visiting day, only a few show up, organizers say.


To me, this is the most telling statement.
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I wonder how many kids who are struggling with obesity live in homes chock full of stuff they can't eat. They've got no control over their environment, they're probably getting nagged to lose weight, meanwhile they're being served or are around all kinds of stuff they shouldn't eat. Why would parents expect their kids to have more self-control than they do?
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Good point, Nancy. I think for some kids, "Fat Camp" might be the only chance they have to see a better way. It's all in the attitude of the family as a whole, IMO. Sending a child off for a learning experience in an environment more conducive to success is a LOT different than "shipping them off because they're obese".
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I got fat eating pretty much the exact same things, in pretty much the exact same quantities as my thin brothers. I always resented that I was different in such an awful way. At times, I still think about that. I still think about the time my younger brother held his cake in front of me trying to be funny during one of the times my mother put me on a diet and served different food to everyone else. She thought she was trying to help, I can't fault her, but it was enormously alienating to me.

I don't know that fat camp would have helped me much. It probably would have further alienated me and made me resent any attempt to "help" me.
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Good point, Nancy. I think for some kids, "Fat Camp" might be the only chance they have to see a better way. It's all in the attitude of the family as a whole, IMO. Sending a child off for a learning experience in an environment more conducive to success is a LOT different than "shipping them off because they're obese".


I saw a "fat camp" on a TV investigative report. Yeah, the kids learned great skills, but their parents didn't. It was horrible when they came home and they really, really wanted to put what they learned into practice but they got no support from their parents and had no control over their environment.

IMHO, one family member goes on a diet, the entire family should be dieting right along side them.
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It's hard enough for adults who HAVE control of their environment to make the changes needed for long-term success. I really feel for kids who come home to a house full of junk and no support!
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Though not a child, I started this at age 20 (currently 22) and still live at home. It is so, so much harder to make a lifestyle change when your capacity to manipulate your environment is almost nil, because you aren't independent.
In the beginning my mother was supportive. She knew I had a weight problem that was serious, her and my father wanted me to lose weight. She would occasionally try to make meals I could eat and buy me special products that made my way of eating more enjoyable (for example, low carb candy). She tried to encourage me, to help with the feeling of being deprived or isolated from what everyone else was doing.

That stopped eventually. Mainly it stopped because they don't understand the difference between dieting and changing your way of living. My mom and everyone else just doesn't get that to lose weight long term you must CHANGE *not* DIET. They don't really see a "need" for me to continue to eat low carb, though I am now thin. They think I'm being excessive, weird or still trying to lose weight even though I've explained I'm no longer losing weight and haven't lost weight in weeks.
I've tried explaining what happens when I eat "normally", and why it's so important I continue to control my carbs. I've explained that eating "moderate amounts of exactly what everyone else eats" won't work for this reason. I've gone so far as to hold my trembling hands during a low sugar episode for their inspection after a too high carb breakfast, as some sort of "proof" that I have problems with carbohydrate. I've tried showing them my lab work from when I was 18, which was consistent with PCOS. Nothing works because they just don't understand that this low carb thing is a medicine for me, not a quick fix to shed weight.

Because they don't really understand why it is important I do this for life, they don't see the need for it. So, they don't think support is important as I'm doing something ridiculous and stupid. To them, my continuing to eat low carb ranks up there in importance with making special accommodations for a stupid, pointless pastime. Their non-support makes it hard for me in numerous ways. I've long given up on trying to get them to reduce carbs so I basically buy and make my own food. I don't have a problem with this at all. Even though I do all this myself with my own money, I am given guilt trips for "hording" my "special food". They think I'm cheap and greedy because I eat "special food" for myself, and keep it in a special area of our refrigerator. I get lots of crap for it. It's even to the point where when one of them wants to piss me off, they'll just mess up or devour my sugarfree foods out of spite. My brother's been known to eat almost an entire jar of polaner's sugar free jam in front of me, just to make me upset. It works :> .

Or another example of how little they help. My mom puts carbs in everything, she always breads meats for family dinner. If I ask her to do me the favor of setting aside a piece with the breading step skipped, she acts like I am requesting she run to china to buy me an atkins bar or something. I'm not asking her to make the recipe low carb, just don't bread a single piece of meat please. Sigh.

So yea, if you aren't in a supportive environment and you are dependent on those in the unsupportive environment... weight loss is very difficult. It's hard for me as an adult I know... it must be impossible for a small child who can't earn money or doesn't have the maturity to do their own research and make sound decisions. There's no way I could have lost weight, even if I wanted to, when I was a kid.
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My brother's been known to eat almost an entire jar of polaner's sugar free jam in front of me, just to make me upset. It works :> .


You could have your own special revenge by making sure the next time, it is loaded with sugar alcohola. Bwahahahaha!
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Gosh Woo -- I knew I was blessed with my family, but you have just brought it home to me in a huge way. For example, I am well into my 30s and haven't lived with my parents for nearly 10 years but I am going to visit them this weekend. This morning, my Mom was asking me to tell her exactly what foods I would like to have (sugar-free items, meats, cheese, etc.) while I'm there so she could have it in the house when I get there. She even said she would love to try some of my favorite low carb recipes if I wouldn't mind fixing them for us. (of course I don't!) She couldn't be more supportive if she tried!!! My Dad is supportive too, meaning he respects what I'm trying to do, but he won't low carb himself. LOL He says he can't live without his gravy and cornbread. Oh well. I can't imagine trying to do this in a home where no one understands, supports, or even has simple human respect for my right to do what I feel is best for myself. You have my sympathy and admiration for reaching your goals in spite of your environment.

As far as fat camps go -- I would have been traumatized had my parents sent me, I have no doubt. I was not the kind of child who would have felt "helped" by that. Plus, this kind of thing does not help without the involvement of the entire family, in my opinion.
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Fat camps... could anything be more demeaning and sick? Way to instill low self esteem at that critical age! Sending a teen to fat camp is basically telling them "you're a mutant, you need to be sent away for a long time to be with other mutants and maybe if you come back 'normal', we'll accept you". I don't buy the concept or the methods and I'm willing to bet that most of the teens come out even more mentally screwed than they already were and, as a bonus, an even more warped relationship with food!
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Cristal, like Wooo and others (like me!) you may well find that when you finish the weight loss phase of this WOL, the support you currently receive may lessen somewhat if not evaporate completely. It is easy for most people to accept that you are doing something positive for your health by going on a "diet" - and most will be right behind you (the rest are probably just jealous of your success). But very few people really understand that the changes you have made have to be for life - believe me you will increasingly run into people who will tell you that all you need is to eat a "sensible", "balanced" diet and get some exercise to maintain your weight loss. You can argue till you are blue in the face that this sort of behaviour is what got you into trouble in the first place!

The bottom line is it is still the common perception that a "diet" is what you do to lose weight. And all those people who are prepared to accept you "doing Atkins" or whatever for a short term goal, will be queuing up to tell how unhealthy it would be to eat that way longer than is "needed".

I don't want to depress you ... but you should be warned!

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I run into the same sort of dilemma. I'm no longer dieting or trying to lose weight. I'm eating food that my body likes. So that means healthy, wholesome, lower carb stuff. But people still think that because I'm eating lower in carbs that means I'm on a diet. Yesterday my coworkers brought me to lunch. I ate really healthy (turkey, salmon, salad, cheese). By the end I was full and didn't want to eat the sugary deserts. But a colleague insisted that I eat some, even if it's just a little. I gave in and had a couple bites to make her happy. I know I shouldn't have done that to please anyone, but I was bullied, even if it was gentle bullying, and I surrendered. I wish other people would realize that "normal" non-dieting eating doesn't necessarily mean eating junk that your body doesn't want or need.
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