Me too, santabarb. I also don't get sick with the various "bugs" going through my nursing staff. What a plus that is!

This is really one of your more outrageous claims. Do you truly believe your body does not generate the majority of the glucose it needs from GNG? Do you believe carnivorous diet does not strengthen the capacity for GNG, thus, stable energy?

Do you really not believe carnivores have a relatively constant sugar (why do you think low carbers don't get hungry) only because of a constantly well preserved GNG capacity?

WOW.

Searching the net for like 5 seconds, I found an interesting link about feline diabetes.

This not only effectively refutes the bears (very silly) belief that carnivorism does not enhance GNG, but, it also handily provides evidence that carnivorous animalsmaintain constant protein burning, thus blood sugar, even when fasting

http://felinediabetes.com/hodgkinsarticle.htm

In fact, eventually this species so drastically rearranged its processes for dietary energy extraction that its metabolic systems began to use protein for energy at a constant, almost invariable rate, without the switches for up- and down- regulation of that protein “burn” (gluconeogenesis from amino acids) that is active in omnivores and herbivores. That is, the cat will use dietary protein for routine energy production at a high level EVEN in situations where dietary protein is very limited. Because of these evolutionary “choices” made long ago, the cat rapidly begins to consume its structural proteins for energy during starvation or protein deprivation of any other kind (e.g., protein-restricted diets). In short, the cat is a “carbohydrate cripple” with a huge protein dependency!


We should make a distinction between omnivorous animals on a carnivorous diet, and carnivorous animals by design... it is entirely possible that humans and other omnivores animals metabolic machinery becomes more like a natural carnivore when forced to subsist on an entirely carnivorous diet for lengths of time.

Therefore, higher blood sugars even fasted.3


Eitherway, it is such a basic truth that carnivorism (low carbing) = GNG that it is beyond a waste of time to even argue this point. Much like his belief he has no insulin in his body, this can be easily refuted by basic testing of enzymes or consulting a science book.
The bear has decided his reality is the only one that matters, so it's an exercise in futility to try to change his mind. His intense pathological narcissism prevents him from respecting, recognizing, or validating objective reality, people, or anything that contradicts his fantasies - the inner world he has created for himself.
I'm posting this now for two reasons, one is boredom, the second is so that no one actually believes the crap he spews.

Muscle glycogen (or liver glycogen, or ketones) is NEVER used as a 'fuel' for muscles- either in doing aerobic OR in anaerobic work. The glycogen is only there as storage for quick adjustment of blood sugar levels, and in a zero-carb, keto-adapted diet usually does not vary. Please note, carefully: Muscle contraction (i.e.-the standard skeletal 'motor' of the body) is 'fueled' by ATP-ADP conversion. ADP is re-converted to ATP ONLY by a process which uses FFA's. Properly controlled tests have indicated that muscle glycogen is never 'depleted' during exercise. I have covered this subject previously, I am surprised to still hear that old fairytale about glucose and muscle work.

By the way, amino acids do not contain glucose, nor anything which can be converted into glucose and are NOT what is used in gluconeogenesis. The process requires whole protein chains, which are reduced to amino acids and the glucose core is set free as blood sugar. The hydrochloric acid which is used to liquefy meat does not break proteins down, they are absorbed as is. Reduction to aminos requires different conditions and specialised enzymes no found in the intestines. Absorption of digested meat takes less than one hour, not enough time to reduce proteins to aminos and the glucose released would cause a rise in BG, which does not occur. Much of the protein in food is used as is, or snipped into smaller but still quite long chains once in the blood stream. Very little is reduced down to free amino acids. This is why we cannot live well without meat, some essential protein chains cannot be fabricated in the human body from free amino acids.

I thought I had made it very clear (not once but several times) that I began this thread to share my lifetime experience with the diet we evolved on. I am one of those I term a naturally, or genetically obese person, an endo-tending mesomorph and I early on found that carbs are my most deadly enemy. I have not been fat since age 20- heavily restricting calories until I read about the all meat Inuit diet at age 23. I have found many additional advantages to the zero-carb regime in improved health, low blood pressure, muscular strength, bone density, strong caries-free teeth, etc.

10gm/day of carbs would derail MY diet and cause me to gradually gain BF. I must keep below 5/day. Otherwise if you are above your body's fat set-point ('fat-o-stat'), you can eat as much as 5000/cal a day- even if sedentary, and still lose excess BF.

I am sure there is lots of laughter all around at all the foolish stuff people use to distract the thread from information about this super-antisocial way of eating. I am not addressing the unfortunate lost souls who cannot accept the title of this thread. I am only still posting in the hope there are still some reading who DO care about this simple method of acquiring and keeping for life a normal human body shape and size. I am most certainly NOT 'wrong', my path works and works perfectly for everyone, so why should I tolerate dissent (read: denial) over the truth?

Surgeons just love to remove the appendix, often doing it while in the abdomen for another reason- since you CAN survive without it and the operation nets them very good income. You should be aware that NOTHING in the human body is not there for a very good reason, we are one of the most well-developed and perfected animals on the planet, ranking right up there with the crocodile- an animal so perfected it has not changed one whit since before the age of dinosaurs.

The texture thing is totally mental. Raw meat is best, the more meat is cooked the more nutrients are lost. As you adapt to a zero-carb diet the less you will be able tolerate the taste of cooked meat. Your body LOVES raw or blood-rare meat- crisped fat is lovely and a good quality of less cooked fat is also nice- you will gradually grow to like it. The 'revulsion' you may feel for any kind of food is strictly mental/social. The rare or raw thing usually means that meat was always cooked to a crisp while growing up in the family. The gall bladder is damaged by a low fat diet, which prevents it discharging bile daily and causes gallstones to form. You will have to eat more frequently, smaller portions so that you can handle the fat. Medium chain fats can be absorbed with out bile, even from the stomach. Most animal fats contain various amounts of short to medium chain fatty acids, and one vegetable oil, coconut is very high in medium chain triglycerides.

If you eat a mixed diet with alternating intervals of meat and vegetation, or even straight vegetation, the appendix is essential. On a pure meat regime it is not necessary. The primary function of this organ is bacterial storage, not mucus formation, the lymphatics are there to protect your body from escape of bacteria. That protective function is not always enough, especially if the passageway into the colonic cecum is blocked- as by seeds, etc. I personally know several people who have had their appendix removed, including my wife, and all have experienced digestive difficulties and need to take care in what they eat.

Bear I'm interested in what type of tag they used, I've only seen this type of experiment using radioactivity. C13? Was this in humans or animals? What happened to the tagged molecule- 100% excreted? Was the tag on the amino acids or the carboxylate group?

Does anyone know which part of the protein is the expected C donor for gng?

I don't care whether or not any of you feel the need to believe in the various metabolic and dietary myths that you may have read about, such as constant GNG. It may suit you to accept this nonsense as gospel, but that does not make it true. It has been definitively proven to not be true. The body does not waste protein. Nor does reduce it unnecesarily to free aminos.

Yes, radioactive carbon tag. It was excreted. A protein consists of a chain of amino acids linked to a parallel chain of glucose molecules. Some are dual chains, like DNA, some single like RNA. Both contain significant glucose.

If this were true, then type 1 diabetics could drink their insulin (a protein) instead of having to inject it. Also drinking snake poison (proteins) would then be fatal, but people have drunk snake poisons without it hurting them because the deadly proteins are broken down into amino acids.

Hmm.. is there anything in particular that you suspect is going on with your genetics, some gene, whatever, that puts you in such a situation where you can't tolerate more carbs than that low amount? (I mean, why can some other people, but you can't? Serious question.)

Insulin is not a 'protein' per se, it is a high activity hormone which is destroyed by stomach acid- as are a great many biologically active agents. Please, do not trumpet your ignorance

Those of you who don't take everything theBear states as an article of the quasi religious faith required to stay on the one true path might like to do a very quick search on the experimental evidence which demonstrates what nonsense this is. Single leg or arm exercises are regualrly used to compare the glycogen depletion of the exercised limb compared to that of the resting equivalent.


I hope also hope you all appreciate that. Glucose is not produced from amino acids ... it is produced from protein which is broken down into amino acids ... then you can make glucose ... from the amino acids ... which you can't produce glucose from. Clear?

Time for someone to actually learn what hormones are made of!

Might I point out that the bogus results pointing to 'glycogen depletion ' are based entirely on a HIGH CARB diet? Zero-carb results utilising the same tests show no depletion takes place.

Hormones are 'made of' many kinds of molecules, the most important ones are based on cholesterol.

Yes- excess caloric intake over daily requirements on a zero-carb regime is ejected from the body as waste. Uneconomic this may well be. However, it is much easier to eat your meals without having to count the calories. If you are very poor then you might want to go to the trouble of measuring everything- the major difficulty is finding out what the energy requirement actually is for each day. 75% of the stomach surfaced produces hydrochloric acid, which dissolves meat, and does so very quickly. The enzymes needed for vegetation are slow to secrete, and the remaining 25% of the surface is divided between several enzymatic systems. The pylorus responds to acidity and several other indicators as to when to open and allow the stomach contents to exit into the duodenum. This occurs about 45 min to one hour with a pure meat meal and up to 3-4 hours after an mixed or vegetable meal. Once the stomach is called upon to produce enzyme systems, it continues to do so after emptying, and this can cause distress and 'hunger pangs' experienced in the stomach region. When adapted to straight meat, the stomach relaxes and rests until the next feeding, no matter how long the interval.

Peanuts are toxic, as is wheat (most of the toxins are in the bran and germ). Yes macadamia nut oil is the lowest fluid oil in unsats.

If a person does not like what I have to say, why waste my, and everyone else's time on constant point by point dissension? It will not deter me nor anyone who is seriously interested in getting normal. I already know you are in deep denial about the real diet, so why not let go: Stay fat, get a life.

Interesting: If grass appears to be the same as 'red', you have what is called as red-green colour blindness, the most common kind. Yellow and blue will be the only 'real' colours for you, and you will see lots of 'beige'.

Coronary blockage is due to scar tissues and infiltrated adipose cells to buffer it. While starvation (severe fasting) may collapses the fat cells, nothing in diet will reduce the scar tissue. MY blockage dated from my teens. Of course YOU are more prepared to judge that than both the top cardiologist in Australia at the time, and one of the world's finest heart surgeons? Both confirmed the blockage as dating from my early teen years. Angina has been demonstrated in 10 year olds with congenital conditions. There is no time/age constraint for insufficient circulation to the heart muscles.

Of course you don't think all meat is healthy, that is a salient denial feature of intense, resistant acculturation. Please, don't bother complaining and offering whinging excuses as to why you cannot go this way. I said previously that this path is so difficult that 99.999% of people will never be able to overcome their acculturation and permanently adopt it. You have to have nearly superhuman will power and determination. Most people have neither to any large degree.

People who have bypass surgery are put on a low fat, high carb diet and surprise, surprise! Most require another bypass inside of 5-10 years. When I was in prep for my operation, I met men there for a third and even fourth bypass. Two started with a quadruple at less than age 39. Carbs are truly your deadliest enemy. There are reports of autopsies on very young kids killed in accidents which supports this very early commencement of arterial damage. Children showed the precursors of coronary blockage as young as 9 or 10, serious signs by 15. The autopsies of young (18-20) soldiers killed in Korea already showed established lesions. No Inuit who died after living his entire life on all meat was ever found by autopsy to have even the slightest trace of coronary obstruction.

But the doctors treating cancer DO work on the 'black box' principle- they really don't know exactly how much radiation or chemo (even which chemo) is correct for each case. The know only that if they give you the maximum the body can accept and stay alive they can cure, say, 40% of patients. They know if they give you a considered amount of a certain chemo agent the cure rate can rise to 80%. Each cancer is different, some cannot be done in by the max and some might let go with less than half. This is 'black box' medicine at its purest. Which is why western medicine is better than 'alternative' so far as cancer is concerned- it has proven, 'black box' results.

I am not speaking from ground zero based on my own experiences alone. Over the last 47 years I have interacted with literally hundreds of people of all body types and cultures. I have had plenty of 'coalface' experience in diet, exercise and health. I do not feel that I am in any way unqualified to advise any and all people, on the internet or anywhere else, about the reality of the human diet. The point of all this is that my detractors all have zero experience in either dietary practice or lifetime study and practice. They are merely compulsive, very naive readers. They remind me of children who, having read something 'new' (to them), try to lecture every adult on it that they can find.

I do not care WHAT you have read nor who has told you stuff. I am presenting a working, safe and very healthy long term way to live, enjoy life and food, and easily attain and retain a perfect body shape and size. No one is under any obligation to even try it.

Sorry, the contents of the duodenum cannot be ejected in vomitus. The pyloric valve- which is normally closed, convulses along with the stomach when vomiting- in addition, the duodenum does not have the muscularity to forcibly eject anything against the pressure of the convulsing stomach. Indeed, if the pyloric valve was defective and leaked, the stomach's content would be ejected down into the intestines, not up into the esophagus. Try thinking logically just once.

Yellow matter seen in vomitus is digestive juices, not bile. If fluids did not always flow from high pressure to low, you could not draw water from a tap. The basic laws of physics are very simple- and inviolable.

The anti-scurvy activity of fresh uncooked meat is not due to Vit C, which is not found in meat. How it prevents this deficiency syndrome is not known. Scurvy is NOT a 'disease' and is not 'caused' by a lack of vitamin C.

The root cause of the scurvy syndrome has never been established. Vit C is assumed to be something lacking, but only because it reduces the syndrome when taken.

It is just another metabolic 'black box', and is treatable by either raw/rare fresh meat or ascorbic acid. The meat treatment is well known to people familiar with the Inuit and that includes all Arctic explorers. Stefansson describes the history of the treatment of scurvy by fresh meat very well. The meat does not have to be 'all raw', rare is good enough. The sailors who developed the syndrome were eating nothing but salted meat and hard biscuits- washed down with rum. There is no reason that the simple acidic carb known as vit C per se, is necessary, or is made in the tissues.

Our anorectic detractor needs to type while sitting down, his pathologically low blood pressure causes giddiness when he stands up to post. Or is it his starvation level of triglycerides?

I am constantly amazed at the the lengths (drivel) to which some of the 'denialists' will stoop. (i.e.fluff, who has so far said nothing whatsoever of any value- Get a life, will you?).

Cooked meat is not as soluble in HCL (the digestive juice produced for meat)- as raw meat is.

More proof that this is beginning to sound like a religious cult.

So far Bear has said that those who don't agree with him need to "see the light", can't stay on "the path" and now they are "lost souls."

Now let's all turn to page 100 of our hymnbooks.