This is not low carbs by anyones definition. The list of ingredients is horrible for anyone (rat or human).

To do any meaningful tests on rat nutrition, they need to use foods that rats in the wild eat. Cornstarch is not a food.

90 is well within the "natural" lifespan of humans, it always has been. While I firmly believe diet is intimately entwined with health and longevity, I am unconvinced that research on rat models that support CR are compelling enough for me to make what to me seem to be significant sacrifices over the rest of my life in the hope that it might ad a few decades to my life. Conclusive proof that this theory is extensible to human lifespan will not exist for at least another twenty, perhaps fifty, years. I am not willing to participate in that particular experiment. There is clear and convincing evidence that Low Carb improves health and vitality in humans, NOW, immediately, in virtually 100% of the humans practicing it. Further, in my case it involves no sacrifice what-so-ever. I firmily believe in freedom of speech and and choice, therefore I wish you well in your quest. We should just agree to disagree on the CR subject. That does not mean it is inappropriate to express that disagreement in the form of sceptisism when you choose to make assertions that rats, confined to cages and forced to subsist on a variety of artificial man made diets exhibit different lifespans. I will grant you that such experiments are repeatable and believable. Still, I remain unconvinced that they are extensible to free living organisims, particularly humans.

Best wishes with you experiment.

Whoa, you're not going to convert the people here. The trade off between making such a radical change in eating and potential health benefits is one that people don't undertake lightly. Trust me, I see people who have life threatening consequences to eating wheat unable to make those changes. Look at all the people suffering from diabetes and metabolic issues that KNOW they should eat differently but don't.

Low carb can be a good diet. It might not lead to people living to 120 years as frequently as your diet, but it certainly has a lot of positives.

I'm always interested in what is going on in CRON, so if you'd like to pop into the IF thread and update us from time to time, especially as it relates to IF, you'll probably have a lot of interested people.

That's too bad - I always found the studies and links of interest.

Same here lizzy. I would suggest folks not get too worried about the links, if you don't want to CR you don't have too, but telling him not to post links and attacking him for posting them seems silly. This is the warzone though, so... *shrug*

i can give you a perfect example of how diet ties into health and longevity... my grandmother died the day after her 92nd birthday. impressive, but hardly news-worthy until you take into account the fact that she had been insulin-dependent diabetic for over half her life, still had all her limbs in tact, could still walk, had survived 3 heart attacks in one day 20 years earlier, and the only facility she ever lost was her sight... that was from the diabetes, and there was nothing they could do about that.

yes she took insulin injections every day of her life, but she also regulated her diet with an iron fist. go figure.

I recall one of her TV shows with Jacques Pippen (Cooking with Julia), when she added a bunch of butter to the skillet and said something like this "they say butter is not good for you but I don't pay much attention...", LOL. She happened to live to be what, 91... and was in a great shape mentally and physically to the end. Enough said.

May be because this diet allows us enjoy wonderfull natural full flavor gourmet food , while losing weight and improving out health. No starvation required.

Whoa, hopefully you're still out there.

How're the bones holding up on CRON folks?

Weight loss through calorie restriction, but not exercise, may lead to bone loss

Are they doing any bone density checking on CRONies?

'Die a virgin' is not of any consequence for most CRONbies as a common effect of the diet is sexual disfunction, especially in men. Curiously, many of the effects of this 'way of eating' including low body temperature, sexual disfunction, low energy requiring restriction of activities are viewed in their community as not only 'normal' but 'desirable' (of course, not desirable in THAT way... )

Hi Mutant,

Thanks for explaining why Whoa182 is still a virgin. That explains it very well....

I don't think anyone is 'too worried' about the posts/links (I include myself in this group), but frustration at lack of any discussion from the CRONbie supporters. I think taking offense at valid criticisms of the posts/links and not responding to the criticisms is silly. But it is totally in character for the evangelical 'True Believer' who comes to a discussion board not to discuss but to proseltize. None of this is directed to our local CRONbie as I've been dismissed some weeks ago as not knowing anything about anything because of my weight and never garner a response anymore, however facile.

Oh, one can only hope he means it.

Yes, bone density is less but bone quality as with CR'd mice, rats and rhesus monkeys may be preserved and there will be less age-related decline. As with muscle mass. Thats what we hope translates into humans anyway... The only evidence in humans that this will be so is the okinawans who maintani low bmi's of 20 and have 40% fewer hip fractures than Americans who have a higher bmi of around 25. Other than that many of us are taking whatever precautions we can by doing Yoga, Resistance exercising and supplementing well.

Sorry no, I changed my mind. Even though I do post it in the warzone, I would appreciate it if we could leave out all personal attacks please.