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Old Thu, Oct-07-10, 11:31
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New York Asks to Bar Use of Food Stamps to Buy Sodas
By ANEMONA HARTOCOLLIS
Published: October 6, 2010

Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg sought federal permission on Wednesday to bar New York City’s 1.7 million recipients of food stamps from using them to buy soda or other sugared drinks.

The request, made to the United States Department of Agriculture, which finances and sets the rules for the food-stamp program, is part of an aggressive anti-obesity push by the mayor that has also included advertisements, stricter rules on food sold in schools and an unsuccessful attempt to have the state impose a tax on the sugared drinks.

Public health experts greeted Mr. Bloomberg’s proposal cautiously. George Hacker, senior policy adviser for the health promotion project of the Center for Science in the Public Interest, said a more equitable approach might be to use educational campaigns to dissuade food-stamp users from buying sugared drinks.

“The world would be better, I think, if people limited their purchases of sugared beverages,” Mr. Hacker said. “However, there are a great many ethical reasons to consider why one would not want to stigmatize people on food stamps.”

The mayor requested a ban for two years to study whether it would have a positive impact on health and whether a permanent ban would be merited.

“In spite of the great gains we’ve made over the past eight years in making our communities healthier, there are still two areas where we’re losing ground — obesity and diabetes,” the mayor said in a statement. “This initiative will give New York families more money to spend on foods and drinks that provide real nourishment.”

New York State, which administers food stamps locally, signed on to the request, which was received by the Agriculture Department on Wednesday evening.

“We appreciate the state’s interest,” a spokesman, Justin DeJong, said. “We will review and carefully consider the state’s proposal.”

In 2004, the Agriculture Department denied a request by Minnesota to prevent food-stamp recipients from buying junk food. The department said that the plan, which focused on candy and soda, among other foods, was based on questionable merits and would “perpetuate the myth” that food-stamp users made poor shopping decisions.

Congress debated but rejected restricting the purchase of sugared drinks with food stamps as part of a 2008 farm bill, Mr. Hacker said. But this year, the chairman of the House’s Agriculture Committee, Collin Peterson, Democrat of Minnesota, said the House should think about such a ban in its deliberations over the next farm bill.

Mr. Bloomberg and his health commissioner, Dr. Thomas A. Farley, said the ban would help curb the city’s obesity epidemic, which they contend has been fueled by rising soda consumption over the past 30 years.

City statistics released last month showed that nearly 40 percent of public-school children in kindergarten through eighth grade were overweight or obese, and that obesity rates were substantially higher in poor neighborhoods. City studies show that consumption of sugared beverages is consistently higher in those neighborhoods.

Dr. Farley and the state’s health commissioner, Dr. Richard F. Daines, said in an Op-Ed article in The New York Times on Thursday that the ban would not reduce the ability of food-stamp recipients to feed their families. “They would still receive every penny of support they now get, meaning they would have as much, if not more, to spend on nutritious food,” Dr. Farley and Dr. Daines wrote. “And they could still purchase soda if they choose — just not with taxpayer dollars.”

The health of New Yorkers, and particularly obesity, is one of the mayor’s signature issues. During his first term in office, Mr. Bloomberg expanded the city’s smoking ban to almost all indoor public places, and he is proposing to expand it to beaches, parks and plazas. New York City has banned trans fats in restaurants and requires restaurants to post calorie counts.

The city’s campaign against sugary drinks has been especially aggressive. This week, it introduced ads showing a man drinking packets of sugar. But its attempt to persuade the State Legislature to impose a tax on the drinks was met with skepticism and opposition from the beverage industry and grocery owners.

Tracey Halliday, a spokeswoman for the American Beverage Association, said of the mayor’s request: “This is just another attempt by government to tell New Yorkers what they should eat and drink.”

The number of New Yorkers qualifying for food stamps has grown more than 35 percent in the past couple of years, mirroring a nationwide trend. And the mayor’s proposal could raise concerns about equity, since it is aimed at one segment of the city, its poorest. When Minnesota sought its ban, welfare rights advocates there accused the state of being patronizing to food-stamp users.

Anticipating such criticism, Dr. Farley and Dr. Daines said that the food-stamp program already prohibited the use of benefits to buy cigarettes, beer, wine, liquor or prepared foods.

The ban would affect beverages with more than 10 calories per 8 ounces, and would exclude fruit juices without added sugar, milk products and milk substitutes. A 12-ounce soda has 150 calories and the equivalent of 10 packets of sugar, according to the health department. City health officials say that drinking 12 ounces of soda a day can make a person gain 15 pounds a year.

Dr. Farley and Dr. Daines said that over the past 30 years, the consumption of soda and other sugary beverages in the United States had more than doubled, paralleling the rise in obesity. They blame that trend for the rising rate of diabetes, which now afflicts one in eight adults in New York City, and is nearly twice as common among poor New Yorkers as among wealthier ones.

Told of Mr. Bloomberg’s request on Wednesday, one food-stamp user, Marangeley Reyes, 24, of Harlem, said the mayor should not dictate what foods she bought. Ms. Reyes had just emerged from a Shop Fair supermarket on Lenox Avenue with a 20-ounce bottle of Orange Crush — she drinks at least one a day. But after giving it some more thought, she said, “I probably shouldn’t be drinking so much soda.”
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Old Thu, Oct-07-10, 11:52
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I think that this is an excellent idea!!
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Old Thu, Oct-07-10, 12:06
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I do not agree with the mayor telling welfare recipients what they can and cannot eat/drink. It is somewhat discriminatory telling poor people that the government is going to monitor their diets. I am sure it will be good for their health, but shouldn't that be their choice and not the government's? Just my two cents.
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Old Thu, Oct-07-10, 12:27
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I do not agree with the mayor telling welfare recipients what they can and cannot eat/drink.


I guess I'm of two minds. On the one hand it does seem a bit paternalistic. On the other the mayor isn't telling welfare recipients they can't drink soda. He's just saying they'll have to pay for it themselves. The purpose of food stamps are to be sure that no one starves, not to provide sweets.

I'll go out on a limb and say the real opposition to this will come from soft drink manufacturers, not welfare recipients. But they'll do it with arguments of discrimination against the poor.
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Old Thu, Oct-07-10, 12:41
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Hard call. I am against taxing things though I see the value of it in some cases. I am for being very restrictive on what people get handed to them free, though I see the value in not being big brother on it. The problem with anything the government does is that it creates precedent. What you do for one reason now (eg 'curbing unhealthy food') can so easily be co-opted by future government to any number of retarded things ('and saturated fat is unhealthy while grains are good!').

I do think that if the government is going to sit in the big brother seat that it would not hurt to have a very simple, polar yes/no, definition of "food". Alcohol is not food, you can't buy that with food stamps. What separates candy bars from power bars or chocolate chip granola bars? Soda from herbal tea from "ginsing power-aide"? Candy chocolate bars from baking chocolate bars? It's a hard call I'm sure but the only way they can limit food stamps 'fairly' is to have an official definition of 'food' -- mind you, regardless of its health status -- vs. 'other things you can consume', from soda to vitamins to candy.

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Old Thu, Oct-07-10, 13:38
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Perhaps the real answer is to eliminate food stamps entirely and just send those who need help actual food. Believe it or not, that was pretty common not all that long ago. But their is more profit in it for the the food companies and the retailers if it goes through the retail sector.
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Old Thu, Oct-07-10, 13:39
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PJ, you sound just like an attorney!
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Old Thu, Oct-07-10, 13:45
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I think this is fine. I used to be very libertarian minded about such things but have recently changed my mind due to the crumbling state of American society. A more functional, better educated, smaller society may do well with a libertarian government, but alas we do not.

I feel it is absolutely fine for the state to nudge food stamp recipients in the right direction, especially since they are funds for those that cannot afford to feed themselves. I agree with PJ that we need an actual definition of food. Ideally food stamps should only be used for Meats, Dairy, Eggs, Vegetables, Oils, and Fruits.
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Old Thu, Oct-07-10, 13:46
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I do think that if the government is going to sit in the big brother seat that it would not hurt to have a very simple, polar yes/no, definition of "food".
PJ


I agree, and this is already happening with the WIC program. (Women, Infants and Children Nutrition Program). The WIC program has a very specific list of foods that are allowed to be purchased with WIC checks. I don't see why Foodstamps can't be regulated the same way.

And like Costello said, the people can still buy the drinks if they want them, they just can't buy them with the government's (i.e. tax payers...i.e our) assistance.
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The wikipedia article has an interesting history of food stamps. It mentions that "soft drinks and confectionery" could be purchased from the beginning (1939). It also mentions an attempt in the 60's to prohibit the purchase of "soft drinks, luxury foods, and luxury frozen foods."
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I'll go out on a limb and say the real opposition to this will come from soft drink manufacturers, not welfare recipients. But they'll do it with arguments of discrimination against the poor.


I was thinking the exact same thing. I bet Pepsi, Coke, and Kool-Aid already have their lobbyists buzzing over this one.
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Old Thu, Oct-07-10, 14:05
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When I was a kid my (single) mom and I were on welfare. We got food. Teeeeny bit of meat and dairy. Massive amounts of white flour, white sugar, white rice, white pasta, powdered milk. Massive chunk of the worst tasting plasticine american cheese ever (to this day I cannot eat american cheese, and I'm a cheese freak). Huge jar of peanut butter (my favorite item).

Currently a friend of mine is on "Indian Commodities" which look exactly like ours did, it appears. (And it's even better for their genetics... not!)

Having seen this I think I'd rather let people die at their own hands in the grocery aisle, than die by what they're handed as a specific commodity. I'm all for limiting what can be bought with someone else's money, but still within that, there ought to be some choice.

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I'm all for limiting what can be bought with someone else's money, but still within that, there ought to be some choice.

PJ


The problem with that is that the "someone else's" money is disappearing faster than it's being made.
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you couldn't stop at soda. I am with rightnow she is so right I was there ! And who is anyone to tell me what to eat ! We did that and look what it did for us. Just me !
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And who is anyone to tell me what to eat !


Respectfully, I don't think this is telling you what to eat. This is telling you what you can spend your government assistance on. There is a difference.
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