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Old Fri, Apr-06-07, 07:37
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CALERIE is still looking for people to study through 2 years of going on a low calorie diet. You would be supervised and go to certain research centres for many tests during the 2 year period. Check out this video

http://calerie.pbrc.edu/

go to "watch the CALERIE video"

Anyway I thought i'd mention this for those who would be interested, and like to learn a lot about themselves too. There will be 250 people in the study. I assume you would get scans done, routine blood tests, genetic tests to look at things like SIRT1 (longevity gene) and more.

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If we are what we eat, than what would we be if we ate a lot less?

Reseachers at Washington University think restricting the calories we consume could greatly slow the aging process.

It is a diet where the object is not really about losing weight.

It's followers call it "CRON, " which stands for calorie restriction optimum nutrition.

It isn't easy, but it is simple---eat less, usually 1400 to 2000 calories a day, while choosing foods high in nutrition.

Dr. John Holloszy led a team of Washington University researchers who studied calorie restriction in animals more than a decade ago. And what they found was the food restricted animals ended up living about 30% longer and it markedly decreased the incidence of all kinds of cancer.

But does calorie restriction work the same for humans?

Dr. Luigi Fontana has been monitoring a small group of people who were already following the CRON way of eating.

And they found their hearts appeared to be 15 years younger compared to their chronological age.

Now, Washington University researchers are looking for volunteers they can track from the start.

If the humans in the study do as well as the rats, researchers hope to find calorie restriction can help lead to reductions in cancer, cardiovascular disease, and even chronic inflamation.

But there are still lots of open questions about the CRON way of life, including the big one: Do most Americans really have the stomach for it.

Washington University is still looking for volunteers to participate in the study, which includes some free food at the beginning.

You can e-mail the study coordinator for more information at calerie~im.wustl.edu
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Old Fri, Apr-06-07, 08:54
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Not many people seem to want to volunteer to be hungry for two years.
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Old Fri, Apr-06-07, 08:56
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usually 1400 to 2000
I already eat 1200-1500 and I'm NOT losing!! It doesn't work fast and easy for everyone.
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Old Fri, Apr-06-07, 09:28
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I believe you would eat 25% fewer calories than your normal average daily ad lib intake. Food would be measured too, no guessing calories. All participants in the study lost weight.

A 6 month pilot study has already been successfully done. http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/conten...act/295/13/1539
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Old Fri, Apr-06-07, 09:30
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I already eat 1200-1500 and I'm NOT losing!! It doesn't work fast and easy for everyone.

you and me both, sister.

whoa, i understand that CRON is your chosen WOL, but wouldn't you get a better response if you posted something like this on a board primarily focused on low-fat/low-calorie diets? most of us enjoy the liberation of not having to worry about calories, not having to worry about hunger, and still being able to improve our health and lose weight.
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Old Fri, Apr-06-07, 09:33
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All participants in the study lost weight.
Bully for them. That does absolutely NOTHING for me.

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but wouldn't you get a better response if you posted something like this on a board primarily focused on low-fat/low-calorie diets?
That's what I think too. But, he wants to convert us. I have bad news. I've been to the restricted calorie gallery and it is probably what screwed my system up. He is still young. He may find himself here in 20 years singing a whole new tune.
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Old Fri, Apr-06-07, 09:46
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you and me both, sister.

whoa, i understand that CRON is your chosen WOL, but wouldn't you get a better response if you posted something like this on a board primarily focused on low-fat/low-calorie diets? most of us enjoy the liberation of not having to worry about calories, not having to worry about hunger, and still being able to improve our health and lose weight.


Atkins is all about insulin control through diet. I copied this from the article Whoa mentioned:

"Conclusions Our findings suggest that 2 biomarkers of longevity (fasting insulin level and body temperature) are decreased by prolonged calorie restriction in humans and support the theory that metabolic rate is reduced beyond the level expected from reduced metabolic body mass. Studies of longer duration are required to determine if calorie restriction attenuates the aging process in humans."

CRON is completely relevant to a low-carb website.
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Old Fri, Apr-06-07, 09:56
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Atkins is all about insulin control through diet.

i understand what you're saying, and i do agree that this is one of the goals of any low-carb diet. however, atkins clearly states that calories are not an issue, that we should be eating until we're satisfied, and keep our focus on grams of carbohydrates consumed. since many of his patients indicated that their calorie intake actually increased rather than decreased during the weight loss process, it leads me to believe that calorie restriction was never meant to be a significant part of this way of life.

my point was just that the study would probably be of more interest to those who believe calories should be the focus of any weight loss endeavor, rather than the effect various foods have on our systems.
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Old Fri, Apr-06-07, 10:11
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but wouldn't you get a better response if you posted something like this on a board primarily focused on low-fat/low-calorie diets?


Its nothing to do with low fat/high fat, or high carb/low carb, or high protein/ low protein. Its calories, that simple.

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atkins clearly states that calories are not an issue


Atkins is wrong. He also said that Calorie Restriction was the only known way to extend maximum lifespan. I believe it was on CNN or something. I look for the source in a bit.

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my point was just that the study would probably be of more interest to those who believe calories should be the focus of any weight loss endeavor


Weight loss isn't the point of the study. The point of the study is to look at longevity markers associated with long life and extended maximum lifespan. Plus you get thousands of dollars worth of testing for just eating a few less calories. But then again, you could be put in the control group who doesn't change a thing. And you still get the tests.

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atkins clearly states that calories are not an issue


This isn't a study where they look at how can lose the weght fastest. Lifespan data collected over 75 years clearly states that calories do matter.
These are some biomarkers that those who do CR get after 1 year. How much lower would you want insulin

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Old Fri, Apr-06-07, 10:17
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And not everyone ends up skinny with CR, as you can see here;

http://www.scientificpsychic.com/fitness/index.html
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Old Fri, Apr-06-07, 11:28
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And not everyone ends up skinny with CR, as you can see here;

http://www.scientificpsychic.com/fitness/index.html



Pencil neck... check

Bony shoulders... check

Girlish waist... check

Chicken legs... check

Ya, pretty much a skinny guy. But pretty much on target for a man working out with 10-20lb weights, but perhaps he recently broke a hip. At least he put away the pink platic coated heavy hands. I understand that he may pass as a robust specimen for the myopic CRONbie crowd, but really...

Though he has a few CR references on his site, what makes you think he is a CRONbie? He lacks that pasty pallor that most have.
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Old Fri, Apr-06-07, 11:34
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Because hes a supporting member of the CR society, regular poster and says he does CR, but mild CR with a BMI of 23.
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Old Fri, Apr-06-07, 11:38
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Because hes a supporting member of the CR society, regular poster and says he does CR, but mild CR with a BMI of 23.


Ah! That must be the reason his body looks less ravaged than other CRONbie victims. He certainly has turned back the hands of time and attained that his presumed goal of attaining the body of a 12 year old boy. Huzzah!
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Old Fri, Apr-06-07, 14:02
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Pencil neck... check
Bony shoulders... check
Girlish waist... check
Chicken legs... check

Ya, pretty much a skinny guy. But pretty much on target for a man working out with 10-20lb weights, but perhaps he recently broke a hip. At least he put away the pink platic coated heavy hands. I understand that he may pass as a robust specimen for the myopic CRONbie crowd, but really...

Though he has a few CR references on his site, what makes you think he is a CRONbie? He lacks that pasty pallor that most have.


Geez,

How embarrassing! I thought that my legs had been cropped in the picture.

By the way, if you are really interested in Calorie Restriction here is a one-page overview:
http://www.scientificpsychic.com/health/crondiet.html

I even have a CR calculator:
http://www.scientificpsychic.com/health/cron1.html

And if you really don't want to think about diet, you can play Pacman:
http://www.scientificpsychic.com/al...mes/pacman.html
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Old Fri, Apr-06-07, 14:19
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Anyone with a bit of sense can tell that you look very healthy for your age Antonio. Hope you didn't mind sharing your link. Cheers for the pacman link LOL
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