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Originally Posted by dancinbr
I do understand what you are saying about taking only Dr. B's advice and not considering other needs/desires and other experts. That is why we all collaborate on the net and listen and learn from each others real experience. I am fine with that.
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I have been to few Endo, and did lots of reading and search the net non-stop for 2 years upon Dx. At this point I still read about diabetes as much as I can: diet, medications, experience shating, etc. I have came across one interesting article, sort of history of diabets: before and after insulin. Someone said: all new is nothing but well forgotten old..
Low carb (mostly animal protein diet) was known long before, and despite adhering to this diet, many diabetics (probably T1 mostly) were dying like flies.
Diabetes is not very well understood desease, and not only it is linked to abuse of simple sugars and carbs in general, but also to adrenal, putitary and liver functions, and this can't be corrected just by diet alone. OTOH, eating less carbs will definetely minimize insulin and meds requirements.
I LOVE fruit too. I suffer if I can't eat at least 2 pieces a day: an apple is a must and depending on a season, something esle. The only fruit I don't like much is banana.
Life on protein and salad greens is not much fun, and many drs understand it. It has nothing to do with will power or being discipled, some ppl tolerate ketosis better than other, again, very individual. While one can strive on this diet, others (like myself) don't feel well. Not only it makes me deprived, it also affects my social life and family. I feel like outcast, especially when we travel and/or go out, social gathering, etc. I am tired of feeling like a criminal if I eat a piece of cooked carrot, or few cubes of potatoes in my soup, or when I eat fruit. Add to this that I am very good cook, enjoy cooking everything from scratch, and love variety of home cooked food daily. Food is a big part of our lives, and we just can't ignore it. I just got tired of living on protein and greens, eggs and cheese, and even when I was very strict, my BGs were far from perfect, especially FBG.
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I too might have a long term issue with low carbs for life. I love fruit !!! One fruit and the 30g per day limit is blown right off the bat. I also did weight watchers and I am a lifetime member, but I haven't seen my goal weight in decades. But low carbs are helping me get the weight off again for now.
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I have also read many times that fruit is mostly fructose (not the one from HFCS, the concentrated source) or not the same fructose sold as sweetener, but small amount that naturally found in fresh fruit, and has to be converted into glucose and glycogen by liver.Fruit does not upset my BG much, sweets and starches are bigger problem. Small apple is 16 g carbs only, apricot - 5 g each or even less, tomatoe- 5-6 g, etc. But fruit is yummy, especially Grany Smith apples, hairloom tomatoes, peaches, etc. I like berries, but just crave other seasonal fruit.if you eat it as a part of a meal, it is fine. Better than snack on fruit alone.
I think WW is not bad plan, I personally prefer variety over ability to eat high calories/larger meals even low carb.
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Finding anyone that believes you must have numbers under 100 is just about impossible too. I have a terrific Doctor who is willing to work with me and do what I ask with respect to supporting my control of diabetes. He also thougth numbers of 110-120 were fantastic. Well they are compared to 350-400, but certainly not long term. The ADA is certainly lacking in this area.
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I believe that normal range of non-diabetics Bgs is 70-120, for random test, and 60-100 for FBG.Enough said. If I would continue to stress seeing Bgs of 95 instead of 85, I will drive myslef to an early grave. Being Dx with diabetes was a huge shock to me, not obese, never a sugar addict, and this alone was enough to cause anxuety/depression, and feeling down. Striving for perfection is not a crime, if you want to dedicate your life to it.
I already said it once: a prostetic leg will never be functional as real one, same goes for having BGs of 83 around the clock. I will say no more.
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My Doctor last year said I have a warning for diabetes with a 127 fasting blood sugar and 6.6 A1c. From what I now understand that should have sounded an alarm !!
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I self-Dx with diabetes having H1C of 5.7% and FBG of 157, back in 2002. My dr. just shruged, and said: may be you ate something last night, LOL. Most of them don't want to declare me as diabetic, and my insurance refuses to pay for glucose strips, based on my humbers. But FBG 127 combined with H1C 6.6% I believe is consider diabetic. But again, fefw years back it was almost normal to be under 7%, then under 6%, last lab slip was H1C <5.8%... and the trend is towards even lower numbers. pretty soon, 90% of US population will be Dx with T2 diabetes, and consider the cost of strips and medications, it will be only beneficial to physicians and pharmaceutical companies. But it is worth to try to keep it in control, but for what I have heard and understood, it is OK to be under 100 for most of the time, and avoid most complications.
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May I ask what your carb intake per day is?
I gather you are above the very restrictive 30 prescribed by Dr. B.
I do find days that I can do that but other days I am between 30-60 and on other days when I feel like having a fruit I will go all the way up to 100.
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Ralph,
I am the same. Some days I eat less than others, depending on my mood, season (crave more fruits and veggies in summer), exercise level, etc. I think at 60-80 some days more like 100, but never 30 g anymore. I think Life Without Bread by Dr.Lutz, recommends 72 g, and this is allows you to have some fruit, lots of veggies, and feel great overall. I generally stay away from bread, grains, potaotes, and just eat lots of veggies, some fruit, some yugurt, and a little beans/legumes. if you eat small portions, you will stretch your carbs.
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But I am definitely not consuming 100s of carbs anymore, which I was clearly doing prior to adjusting my lifestyle to get this diabetes under control.
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Even 100 g carbs a day from good sources is still low carb,LOL, consider that normal ppl eat about 250 g carbs, not to count soft drinks and desserts.
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I will get back to you on this. It may be my next step as well. I need that assist. I cannot exercise every time I eat a meal.
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Exactly, why I decided on trying this medication. I just must exercise, and in order to exercise, I need carbs, or I have no energy. But OTOH, I can;t hop on elliptical after each meal, I do it once in the morning, then go for a 45 minutes walk after I eat lunch, and then some days lift weights. This is plenty, and I can't do more.
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I also spread my food over the day. My wife says I am constantly eating. Well, I like to have several small meals and that plays better to controlling diabetes as compared to the three big meals per day.
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I am not so sure about it, I prefer 3 smaller meals to snacking. This is what I don't do, I don't snack. Constant eating triggers constant insulin reponse, and this is one thing I agree with Dr.B. I wait 4-5 hours between meals, besides, I am not hungry between meals. I eat very little now compare to when I ate less carbs, I was actually hungry and ate too much protein.
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Also, Dr. B does talk about Januvia (page 204,205 of his new book) and is doing the same as so many to see if it helps after meals. From your experience it sounds like it does.
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I don't have his latest book, I have the 1st edition, and ordered and read the 2nd edition, which I then sent back. I still think his plan is more taylored for T1, give or take, and I am not willing to toy with insulin at this point, just to get perfect number. I know every medication has side effects, short and long term, so no illusions here. But OTOH, at this point, I want to see better control, and if Januvia will drop my H1C to low 5% (last one was 5.8%), I will be very happy.
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I will have to look at Metformin again based on what you said. It is interesting that extended release might have an issue with the liver but not the regular version ???
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ER is slow released verison, coated so it does not get absorbed too quickly, to it cause less side effects. But on the other hand, it stays in the system longer, so as all ER versions of any medication, have bigger impact on liver.
I think metformin is good in terms of reducing inflamation, some recommend it as a longevity drug
. I just have hard time to believe that any medication that affects liver function can make one live longer, LOL.
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It also sounds like with Jaunuvai I may achieve the additional lowering and leveling of my blood sugar levels. I am doing well. I am happy. But I do believe the target should be mid 80s and from I gather so do you.
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it is great to hear that you are happy, and this is what life should be all about
: happiness and self-acceptance, I do think it is better to be in mid 80s, and I do everything in my power to achieve this goal, but if I can't achieve it by diet and exercise alone, I will continue to take medication. Ther are few new on the market, and they very promissing, including byetta, janumet, symlin, and januvia. These and I believe more meds around the corner. Something gotta work!
best regards.
Dina
P.S. Feel free to PM me, I feel like hijacking this forum, LOL.