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Old Wed, Jul-28-04, 13:59
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Default Atkins and Splenda

I was looking on the Splenda web site and found a cup of SPLENDA® Granular has 96 calories and 24 grams of carbohydrates. So, 1 tsp of Splenda would equal .5 grams of Carbs. And, a packet would equal 1 gram of carbs. Now, it may be a little less. But, at least it is a guide to sort of go by when figuring up recipes

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Old Wed, Jul-28-04, 14:59
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Thank you RickinTN ...too bad we can't buy the liquid Splenda in the US, then it'd be ZERO carbs...I guess the Nutrasweet people have a pretty good lobby or something.
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Old Wed, Jul-28-04, 15:15
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Cutting back to 30ECC a day I became concerned about the amount of maltodextrin in Splenda® and the resulting carbohydrates. Did some searching on-line and found this information on another forum. It is a reply from the manufactures of Splenda® to an individual that asked about the calorie content of Splenda®.



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Thank you for visiting the SPLENDA ® No Calorie Sweetener website. We hope
you became more familiar with SPLENDA ® No Calorie Sweetener during your visit
to the site.

The caloric and carbohydrate content for SPLENDA ® Brand Sweetener is as
follows:

SPLENDA (R) Granular
1 tsp. = 0.5 gm carb = 2 calories
one half cup = 12 gm carb = 48 calories
1 cup = 24 gm carb = 96 calories

*1 tsp. = 1 serving

Packet of SPLENDA ®
1 packet = .9 gm of carb = 4 calories

*1 packet has the sweetness of 2 tsp of sugar

Note: Per U.S. labeling laws, anything with less than 5 calories per serving, is
properly labeled as "zero" or no-calorie.

The caloric and carbohydrate content for sugar is as follows:

Sugar
1 tsp = 4 gm of carb= 16 calories
one half cup = 96 gm of carb= 385 calories
1 cup = 192 gm of carb = 770 calories

Note: The calories and carbohydrates in SPLENDA ® No Calorie Sweetener comes
from dextrose and/or maltodextrin, which are added for bulk. Sucralose the
sweetening ingredient in SPLENDA ® Brand Sweetener, has no calories and is not
a carbohydrate.

Granular - sucralose, maltodextrin (0.5 gram per serving)
Packets - sucralose, maltodextrin and dextrose (less than 1 gram per packet)

Up to 6 teaspoons of SPLENDA ® Granular are considered a free food in a sugar
restricted diet. When used in larger amounts, as in cooking and baking, these
calories should be accounted for in the daily allowance for the starch/bread
exchanges. As an example, one half cup of SPLENDA ® Granular contributes 12
grams of carbohydrates and 11 to 20 grams are counted as one starch exchange.

Three packets may be considered a free food. When used in greater quantities,
the calories from the maltodextrin and dextrose should be accounted for in the
daily allowance for fruit.

SPLENDA ® No Calorie Sweetener (sucralose) has no known side effects.
Sucralose can be used by everyone; including people with diabetes, pregnant and
nursing mothers, and children. The safety of SPLENDA ® Brand Sweetener has


been demonstrated as part of our clearance process with the FDA as well as other
regulatory agencies around the world. There are no warning labels on the
product to exclude anyone from enjoying SPLENDA (R) No Calorie Sweetener.

We value hearing from our consumers. Please feel free to call us with any
additional comments or questions on our toll-free number 1-800-7-SPLENDA
(1-800-777-5363), Monday through Friday from 9:00 AM to 5:00 PM, Eastern Time.
You may also access our website at www.splenda.com for answers to frequently
asked questions, recipes, cooking and baking tips, and on-line ordering.

Tracey Ely
SPLENDA Consumer Relationship Center

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Before reading this I was not counting the carbs in Splenda(r) and using a lot of it. Now I have cut back.
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Old Wed, Jul-28-04, 15:38
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It has a filler in it. I call 1tbs=1g
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Old Wed, Jul-28-04, 18:41
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do you think they use the splenda with all the fillers in products like diet rite? Or do they just use the sucralose
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Old Thu, Jul-29-04, 00:13
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I am pretty sure the Diet Rites use the liquid splenda - seems to me I read that somewhere in this forum sometime or another. Liquid splenda is available to food manufacturers but not for the general public in USA. There is a website where you can purchase the liquid but you have to buy enormous amounts and very pricey!
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Old Thu, Jul-29-04, 00:41
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Default Is there any evidence that Splenda causes an insulin response?

Many threads here lead me to believe that artificial sweetners may affect some people's diets.

Is there any info on this with Splenda.

Better Homes and Gardens' 'Cheesecake Supreme' is an awesome recipe, although it does have a cup of sugar and 2 tablespoons of flour in it.

Going from sugar to Splenda and not eating the crust would cut the per-serve carbs from 31 to 5 and the calories from 470 to 370. As it stands, this recipe is a no-no on a low carb diet.

I have never experimented with artificial sweetners. What is everyone's experience?
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Old Thu, Jul-29-04, 03:40
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So, if a product lists sucralose as an ingredient, does that mean it is sweetened with liquid splenda?

A local brand has started producing flavoured water that lists sucralose as the only sweetener. I usually avoid artificial sweeteners but use splenda occasionally; are these drinks ok?
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Old Thu, Jul-29-04, 07:32
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Originally Posted by veda
So, if a product lists sucralose as an ingredient, does that mean it is sweetened with liquid splenda?

A local brand has started producing flavoured water that lists sucralose as the only sweetener. I usually avoid artificial sweeteners but use splenda occasionally; are these drinks ok?


If it's a liquid product like Diet Rite or Fruit2O or something, then it's safe to assume it's made with liquid Splenda, which truly has no carbs. If it's a LC candy bar, baked item or something like dry like that, it's probably granular Splenda which needs to be counted (should be included in the carb count on the label).

Those drinks you mention sound fine to me, as long as they are 0 or low-carbs on the label.

Tornado, Splenda makes an excellent cheesecake in my experience. Just take your favorite cheesecake recipe and substitute an equal amount of Splenda for the sugar, and substitute ground almonds or other nuts for the graham cracker crumbs in the crust. I don't know why your recipe calls for flour, but you could skip that part probably. Or try one of the many cheesecake recipes on this forum.
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Old Thu, Jul-29-04, 07:35
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I've always wondered if Dr Atkins bought stock in Splenda before his book hit the shelves.....
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Old Thu, Jul-29-04, 09:09
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A few very important things....

I agree with you, Nikkil. I definitely think there's a reason that Atkins pushed spenda. Firstly [having nothing to do with
him] look how their own company puts out wrong information above... [not YOUR fault, whomever posted it]!
Splenda [Sucralose] is the equivelant of only ONE teaspoon of sugar, NOT TWO, it's Sweet n Low [saccharin] that equals two
tsps. [And the ONLY safe thing about spenda that won't spike sugar IS the sucralose... and you know how things keep changing, but I'll get into that in a minute].

I have a case of 2000 splenda envelopes right in front of me that says it's only 1 tsp, and so did the company on the
phone when I first started using it and called to complain that it wasn't sweet enough and they said because it's
MADE from sugar therefore exactly equal to it in sweetness [ONE teaspoon... which is very little because actual
sugar is the least sweet thing you can buy! lol, if anyone's noticed throughout their life when NOT dieting and
mistakenly using sugar.... [I NEVER did, having had a diabetic mother so we were weaned on not ever eating sugar,
just because it wasn't healthy, even before her diabetes... she was very smart and way ahead of her time, and lived
to a ripe old age with the disease with NO complications whatsoever].

Anyway, First I didn't like using Splenda because it simply WASN'T sweet enough, and therefore have to use double
the amount of splenda than that of saccharin and sweet n low, or any other sweener! I ONLY have a 2000 [and
UNOPENED] boxfull because my fiancee bought it for me and it was $40 bucks, CHEAPER than I've seen 2000 cases
go for anywhere else..... 100 & 125]. ALSO because Atkins approved it!! So much for ATKINS! I trust NOTHING that
comes out of that ''OFFICE" now that he's gone, and even towards the end when he was here, some kind of inside racket must have been going on there... and if I can say that, it must be true because he was my GURU since a kid, but I could NEVER understand this Splenda thing of his. He USED to push safe Stevia! Think about it.. why wouldn't he HIMSELF produced his own name brand of sweetner. He produced everything ELSE. I'll leave you all to wonder about that. Maybe he didn't HAVE to do his own.... monitarily. The monitary benefits were there already from someone ELSE'S product? I don't know. No accusations just theory and brainstorming, but it just doesn't make sense to ME... with the dextrose and maltodextrin right in his FACE ......and pushing it into ours.

Things changed, they are no longer a medical concern.... but a big marketing company, and even the woman on the
phone there didn't know much about Splenda [!!] and couldn't even answer my challenges and told me to call
Splenda! That did it for me. Bye, Bye "Atkins" [the COMPANY]. Stick with his original diet and forget what's going
on now. No WONDER my own brain suspected this is no good when seeing those two other ingredients on the label of
splenda.... and Dr. Richard Bernstein confirmed it, who you can look up on the internet, which I'll give you the link if anyone asks [a diabetic himself for 50 years]....

He says in his revised book, the 2003 edition, in Chapter 10, don't use ANY ""powdered"" sweetner except Stevia,
the only safe one [but that is VILE.... I tried it in the 80's when it came out and threw it away, and I'm a person who
throws NOTHING away, so you can imagine]. ALL powders have to use those bindings so use either the liquid
versions or tablets. Or use stevia powder only.... if you can 'stand' it lol.... Okay, I'm getting ahead of myself... keep
reading ....

I will stick with saccharin tablets and in cooking I melt about 20 or 30 into an empty ''tobasco'' bottle full of water
that shakes it out drop by drop....also cheaper than ANY store bought liquid. 1000 times cheaper! lol Even one
prepared bottle lasts forever and saccharin is SO sweet that you even have to use so little of THAT! You can use
ANYTHING, just as long as it's not the powders in the envelopes where they have to bind it with those other
poisons.

I even had to stop using Jello because of the maltodextrin too. along WITH aspertame which I was ''overlooking'' before because I really needed my cherry jello, with not much ELSE allowed... but when it comes to spiking sugar and the two together, that really did it.....it's also a powder, also quoting Bernstein. :-( and shouldn't be eaten because of the ingredients needed in those powder forms. [Bernstein DOES ok aspertame.... but that's a whole other conversation and 'my' jury is still out on that, another conflict between the two greats.... bernstein and atkins, but I don't know bernstein THAT long and use my own common sense and instinct and especially when things are right there on the labe]l

Now for the worst part and here's why.... the dextrose and maltodextrin in Splenda DOES spike sugar and imagine if
using a LOT like people like myself have to do because it isn't even sweet enough. I had to use 3 1/2 or sometimes 4
envelopes [if my coffee was stronger] so count the envelops if I even have 2 mugs all day, and NO more than that, [8
envelopes for just my daily coffee] now count the amount of dextrose and maltodextrin when also COOKING with it.

I wouldn't TOUCH this stuff and stopped cold. I have around 1000 from my previous batch and more of sweet n low
which I've always loved, but I figured I'd continue using saccharin tablets for my coffee and splenda for sprinkling in
foods.... but now that Dr. Bernstein [Diabetes specialist] said in his book..... to NEVER use ANY of those powder
envelope sweetners, I wouldn't touch them.

I never understood why Atkins pushed them and since I knew him personally and was a patient of his long ago, I
trusted him so I ignored the very CLEAR warnings on the package of the ingredients and now feel very stupid with my
2000 envelopes sitting there in front of me that I will have to find someone to give them to..... someone who is BONE
SKINNY and doesn't have to diet, lol... nor ever even knew what losing a couple of lbs. is all about.... and ALSO doesn't have diabetes, nor the unknown potential for developing it!!

The package itself tells the whole story. They are getting away by the skin of their teeth even being able to say
''safe for Diabetics'' on the envelope.... probably some red tape and a technicality just like being legally allowed to
say anything under .06 grams has NO carbs..... NOT TRUE! Who ever eats only the ''serving'' amount of anything and
those carbs DO add up so it is NOT ''zero'' and counts very much, but they want us to believe you can eat it unlimited
without any carbs! Make your own choices with your common sense, but there are many who have had their spike
before stopping using them...... and I'm one of them. NOW my Keto Diastix are deep purple again.... but that's
another area that isnt completely accurate, but at least there WAS a change when cutting out splenda and ANY
powders...... [water, a lot of vitamin c, the fat in your FOODS, and other things can give you inaccurate
ketosis results on the stix but i've taken up enough room for one post lol]

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Old Thu, Jul-29-04, 09:58
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I used to be a triple triple person (for none Canadians that means I like my coffee VERY sweet) YET now, I have ONE splenda in my coffee and it is VERY sweet...I have to cut it down. I could never imagine finding splenda not sweet enough!
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Old Thu, Jul-29-04, 10:56
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Splenda in commercial form is far, far, far more concentrated than what we buy in the stores. What we buy is cut with filler so you can measure it like sugar, what companies, like Diet Rite, use doesn't need to have the added filler.
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Old Thu, Jul-29-04, 14:32
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Wickedways... do you think one teaspoon of SUGAR is sweet enough? If you think so then of course you'll find Splenda sweet. But compare it to Sweet n Low [which is TWICE as sweet... TWO spoons of sugar] and you'll see the differenct.... and Saccharin is sweeter then all of them. But if that's ok for you then that's great. You're lucky. Enjoy! But make sure you don't go BEYOND that amount because it's full of dextrose and matrodextrine and then you'll be getting into trouble, stalling your weight loss without realizing it, spiking your blood sugar, etc. Saccharin and others without that gives you leway to use more. And liquids and tablets gives you even more, which are clear of all those fillers. Just take that into consideration.... and also if you use it in cooking too, aside from your coffee, that's additional.
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Old Thu, Jul-29-04, 15:09
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Interesting....
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