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Old Wed, Feb-24-10, 14:17
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Old Wed, Feb-24-10, 14:50
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I haven't read the book or even skimmed it but the reviews seem to indicate it's a specific kind of bread and the rest of the diet is a strict no sugar diet. Maybe that has something to do with it. If it works.
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Old Wed, Feb-24-10, 14:53
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Plan: Low Carb - High Nutrition
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Does it work? If yes, then how?

Hi C1REX,

Did you read the reviews?

Btw, some of the best bread I've ever tasted was in Lodz, Poland.

Bo

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Old Wed, Feb-24-10, 14:55
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Plan: Intuitive eating
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What makes this diet different from any other low-calorie diet?
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Old Wed, Feb-24-10, 17:19
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Talk about being poisoned...
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Old Wed, Feb-24-10, 17:41
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Plan: Atkins OWL Rung 4/ IF
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UGH AND ITS ALL BREAD!!! The reviewers all seem to like it...maybe the title is just a gimmick and it's all about eating flax/ezekiel bread? Whatever works for people.....
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Old Wed, Feb-24-10, 17:44
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Plan: Atkins OWL Rung 4/ IF
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I haven't read the book or even skimmed it but the reviews seem to indicate it's a specific kind of bread and the rest of the diet is a strict no sugar diet. Maybe that has something to do with it. If it works.



ahh, that makes more sense (sorry, had initially skimmed the thread). still, the intro says that carbs raise serotonin levels which make you full. how about insulin? doi!
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Old Wed, Feb-24-10, 18:03
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What I could find about it:
- Women can eat up to 12 slices of light bread daily. Men can eat up to 16.
- Unlimited vegetables, limited fruits.
- No beef or pork, only skinless chicken and turkey.
- No sweets or desserts.
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Old Wed, Feb-24-10, 19:20
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Plan: Atkins OWL Rung 4/ IF
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and what do you put on the bread? Insipid low fat cream "cheese".....bah. if i must choose between bread and butter, give me the butter!
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Old Wed, Feb-24-10, 19:44
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Since we are in the war zone.

http://www.maxcondition.com/page.php?152

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Do other diets decrease hunger?

Studies indicate subjects consuming an ad-lib low fat diet don't complain of hunger but complain there is too much food (Freedman et al. 2001). Siggaard (1996) reported a high degree of satisfaction when Danish workers consumed low fat ad-lib diet.



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Old Thu, Feb-25-10, 05:57
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Check the reviews. One says it's the quality of carbs that counts. In other words, fresh whole vegetables and fruits are better than refined vegetables and fruits. However, the truth is that refined means we can eat more, which we do. So, in fact, it's a question of quantity, not quality. If we could eat enough fresh whole vegetables and fruits to reach an equivalent amount of refined sugar, then we'd suffer the same problems.

So if this diet works for some, then it's because they eat less carbs with this diet than they did with their previous diet. If it doesn't work for others, then it's because they eat as much or more carbs with this diet than they did with their previous diet.

There's fiber to take into account. It acts like a rubber balloon on the carbs we eat. We can't digest it so we can't get to the sugar within. Again, this is all about quantity, not quality. Fresh whole vegetables and fruits contain a lot of fiber within which is the sugar that we would otherwise digest and absorb were we able to digest the fiber.

Why would somebody have more energy on this diet? If they ate less carbs and thus produced less insulin which would allow more fat to be released from fat tissue thereby increasing the amount of energy available.
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Old Thu, Feb-25-10, 07:25
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Plan: VLC 4 days a week
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...Again, this is all about quantity, not quality...

I think everyone would agree with this.

Patrick
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Old Fri, Feb-26-10, 11:33
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A coworker a long time ago, used to use his "Junk Diet" when he needed to lose weight, basically he would skip meals and eat potato chips or candy bars instead of food. I can still remember him explaining that it worked because he didn't feel hungry and it satisfied his cravings, but basically it was just another low calorie diet (he wouldn't eat them all at once, he'd take a few mouthfuls and then set it aside for his next round of hunger) . Not much different than people who replace their meals with a 300cal HFCS laden "shake". Though, he probably should have called it his "Stop Drinking Beer Diet" since he'd average 6-12 bottles a day when he wasn't trying to lose weight.
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Old Fri, Feb-26-10, 17:24
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Plan: VLC 4 days a week
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...Though, he probably should have called it his "Stop Drinking Beer Diet" since he'd average 6-12 bottles a day when he wasn't trying to lose weight.

Yeah, I see this a lot too. Just stopping the beer is enough to lose weight for these people.

Patrick

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Old Fri, Feb-26-10, 17:36
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Even JK says that way of eating can work. It's just not optimal. Because, after you lose weight, where do you get your good fats from? WHILE you're losing weight, you get good fat from your own fat stores. After that, if you limit sat fat, seems like bad things may happen. In the Optimal diet book I think he says this pattern of eating gives rise to cancers and autoimmune things over time - just what you'd expect from a constant onslaught of carbs.

Also the author is not the only one to interpret serotonin that way. There's a cool section in "Lights Out" that argues it needs to go up and down, cyclically, because it's opposite to dopamine and has a circadian component. But lots of people nowadays think "serotonin has to be high all the time" because antidepressants raise serotonin levels, and "everyone knows" "low serotonin" is a problem.
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