Both my parents died of colon cancer - my mother never ate much red meat cos she just didnt like it. in any case there was a family history of it on both sides of their families.

I'm checked regularly, but I will not avoid red meat! I'm convinced if I get it, it will be down to my genes and if I stick with low carb then that can only help me! MY CONSULTANT AGREES WITH ME

What you eat and supplement can change the expression of genes.

Genes can be 'changed' by foods

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4441564.stm

So as her mother didn't eat red meat, then obviously eating other things affected her genes and she got colon CA.

Can you cite some peer reviewed studies showing that what you eat and supp 'affects your genes'? Or were you meaning that it affects gene expression?

Seems to me this whole genes business is a convenient tag to hang things on too...I wonder why we necessarily believe so firmly in this binary: eating this or that macro causes this or that disease vs it doesn't matter because the genes will determine what you get. How simplistic is all that?!! Maybe we all just need to eat the broad range of foods that our ancestors were designed to eat as hunter gatherers and not eat so bloody much. The fact is we are all living longer lives now anyway.

Whoa, are you a vegan? Sure sounds like it.

Well, the red meat might change the DNA, but high blood sugar might fuel the development of actual cancer.

Man, I wish I'd known earlier that eating lots of red meat was bad. Ooops! Time to switch to white meat and eggs...

[QUOTE=VALEWIS]So as her mother didn't eat red meat, then obviously eating other things affected her genes and she got colon CA.



Well food and supps and even lowering calories can prevent certain genes from getting expressed at all. We know that just by reducing calories in mice prevents 70% of the genetic changes that happen as the animals get older or the leve of expession is reduced, which also seems to be favourable in terms of the health of these animals. Humans seem to respond in the same way.



Yup



Well people can be genetically predisposed to having a disease, but it doesn't mean they have to suffer from it, countless studies show that how much we eat, what foods and other things can prevent the disease from ever progressing to a certain threshold where it causes problems or delay the onset of the disease by years or decades.



Well a broad range of food is good, as long as its quite healthy. I eat around 26 different foods a day.. rather than the 4-5 different foods that I used to eat which were junk too.



Yeah for now, but if people keep ignoring their health warnings then it could decrease, unless technology like stem cells, genetic engineering, robotics, nanotech etc... help.



Not really, I just eat real healthy, I think!

thank you thank you thank you! and here's why, i startd reading all this, trying to make sense of it, and had just about come to the conclusion that it wasn't worth worrying about (minor to me, compared to the rest of what i have going on with food and family)

and all of a sudden it dinged

with the exception of hamburger, i've been in this stall since about the same time we ran out of red meat (last may) and have not replenished the stock since then.

so now i have a new angle to look at.

thank you for the realization

i am still going to muddle through the post, but unfortunately alot of it is over my head. full steam ahead though

Whoa, I agree with some of the things you say:



Here's just another study about Chinese Americans--

(from this site http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/cgi/content/full/11/2/187 )




It appears Chinese Americans may be genetically predisposed for colorectal cancer, and lower carb consumption can prevent or delay the disease.

Nope, I'll pass! I distrust the mainstream media immensly....

Also, my whole take on this is,

A) You don't eat red meat
B) At the very least you don't think we should overdo iton the red meat
C) Getting enough fiber in one's diet is important.
D) Organic grass fed, hormone free beef is probably the best choice if one eats red meat.
E) If D is correct, red meat from wild game such as the deer and elk types would be sublime........and it is!
F) A potential link between red meat eaters and certain diseases, yes. The total cause and effect relationship and prevention clearly outlined, no. There are too many factors left unchecked, to many controls yet put to test. This smaks too much to me of the whole fat and cholesterol smoking guns of decades past. See, the problem with smoking guns is, the smoke finally clears and the real culprit can then be identified.

Also, after reading the whole thread, I am hungry, I am gonna go have a steak and a salad........

Facinating read, great debate!

And just one more, Whoa. A news report today, not specifically about carb consumption, but linking cancer deaths wih insulin levels, from 1) insulin administration, or 2) sulfonylurea drugs which stimulate insulin production from the pancreas, versus metformin which lowers insulin levels and lowers insulin resistance...

Plus a great quote by this Dr. Johnson--



Insulin, unopposed, is a deadly hormone. I try to eat real healthy, too, by not stimulating insulin secretion.

A nice hunk of red meat is always grrrrrrrrreat with several tall glasses of iced tea.

MJ
Utica, NY