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Old Thu, Mar-01-07, 05:19
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Weston price foundation says:
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They studied healthy young and middle-aged men and found that the total number of white blood cells and the number of various types of white blood cells were significantly lower in the men with LDL-cholesterol below 160 mg/dl (mean 88.3 mg/l),than in men with LDL-cholesterol above 160 mg/l (mean 185.5 mg/l).18


Lower white blood count correlates significantly with lower risk of heart disease and lower all cause mortality, especially cancer. Why would he leave that out of the article

White Blood Cell Count and Risk for All-Cause, Cardiovascular, and Cancer Mortality in a Cohort of Koreans
http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/c...62/11/1062?etoc

These findings indicate that the white blood cell count is an independent risk factor for all-cause mortality and for CVD mortality.


White blood cell levels are a good predictor of strokes, heart attacks, and fatal heart disease in older women, according to a nationwide study

http://www.hno.harvard.edu/gazette/...whitecells.html

WBC Count and the Risk of Cancer Mortality in a National Sample of U.S. Adults: Results from the Second National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey Mortality Study
http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/cgi/content/full/13/6/1052

WBC remained significantly associated (P trend = 0.03) with total cancer mortality [highest versus lowest quartile (RR 1.66; 95% CI, 1.08-2.56)]. In stratified analyses, increased WBC was associated with higher risk of non-lung cancer (P trend = 0.04), but not lung cancer (P trend = 0.18). Among never smokers, a 1 SD increase in WBC (2.2 x 109 cells/L) was associated with greater risk of total (RR 1.32; 95% CI, 1.05-1.67) and non-lung (RR 1.30; 95% CI, 1.03-1.63) cancer mortality. These findings support the hypothesis that inflammation is an independent risk factor for cancer mortality. Additional studies are needed to determine whether circulating levels of inflammatory markers are associated with increased risk of incident cancer.

There are many many more showing the same thing.

DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH and don't believe the first thing you see just because its from weston price foundation.

WPf says:
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men whose cholesterol was lower than 160 and who had died from AIDS was four times higher than the number of men who had died from AIDS with a cholesterol above 240


This tells doesn't tell us that by eating lots of fat and cholesterol they will decrease their risk of dying. it only points to the progression of the disease. There are many diseases, including AIDS and Cancer where cholesterol will drop over time as the disease advances. it does not mean that by adding butter you will increase your cholesterol therefor reduce the risk of death.

WPF says:
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People with high cholesterol live the longest


BULL. The longest lived women in the world in okinawa have cholesterol of around 150mg/dl. Maybe he should rephrase the sentence like "people with falling cholesterol over time predicts greate rmortality due to an underyling illness which may be chronic for many years".

Just because there might be a weaker link between LDL and heart disease than say C-Reactive protein. It doesn't mean that LDL cholesterol readings cannot predict with a good degree of accuracy at which point Cardiac events are likely to occur. People are being very narrow minded. Heart disease is multi factoral, again, you want all *known* risk factors low.

Optimal total cholesterol is probably around 150mg/dl.

If the people of Masaii can eat tons of fat that doesn't mean 'you can' also. They eat their food, but still have a total cholesterol of around 120mg/dl. Hence why they got virually no heart disease.

Capo, for your age, 151mg/dl is where you should be at.
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