thanks, clubsoda

ya, the appetite suppressant is huge for me...thats my biggest struggle, portion control. i love the energy too, wow is my house clean! he he

i dont plan on taking very much, i think the highest ill go is about 24-36 mg per day. i hear about all these people popping 10 pills at a time, thats not for me....i just need a gentle push into my goal....the more reading and talking with people about this that i do, it appears that more people than youd think do a little supplementation to reach theyre goal. its just that they dont talk about it that much

so the cardio: i usually just walk on the treadmill for 30 minutes, uphill, at 4mph...would you qualify this as "intese" cardio?