I appreciate this discussion as I'm just going to start OWL tomorrow. My plan was to start by adding more vegs. I have NAMY and am following their plan. You answered some questions I didn't think of so thanks for that. I think if you read the book you'd understand some of the changes, but then I'm new to Atkins so I don't know what old plan, but I like what I'm reading. The reason I started Atkins is to do this carb ladder. I've been doing low carb for a number of years and feel it would benefit me to learn to add carbs in a way that doesn't cause stalls and cravings. So I'm excited to start OWL. My understanding is if you are having cravings you are not burning fat yet and need to continue until the cravings so away. I've been doing pretty well, but am tightening up what I'm doing. I have a hard time getting all the water and vegs.