I can't think of the brand names for these two products..but Monday when I get back from work I will post them. We have a waxing system at work (I am a hairdresser) and it is a soy based product. If you are not allergic to soy....I find it wonderful. (I also use it on myself.) To me it seems to work well on the tough hairs and I have yet to have anyone break out...get red or bleed from it. Also we give a little packet of creme for them to take home and use everyday....this packet lasts for about two weeks. The thing about this creme is...it slows down the growth of the hair to come back. It was originally used on burn victims to keep the skin clean and hair-free while the healing process took place. Don't know if anyone is interesed but I will get the names of the wax system and the packets.