Yes Frederick, how can they be "shocked?" have they REALLY never studied, thought about insulin and its role in appetite and fat storage? Considering how many still call the Atkins diet a high protien one, obviously they not only don't read Atkins book, they also don't read the many studies he cited to show the basis for the "metabolic advantage." I am going to get out my copy of Eric Hoffer's "The True believer," to remind myself of the way in which ideology stifles intellect. So long, Bill