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Old Thu, Dec-07-17, 06:43
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I'm okay with the semantic argument for not calling it an addiction, I disagree with it, but it's just about which words to use. But yeah. I eat ketogenically, and Dad can stick some peanut butter in the fridge and I can take it or leave it. Eat less ketogenically, and he might be out of peanut butter tomorrow. And it's not just about giving in to cravings--I'll still like the peanut butter, whatever my metabolic state, it just won't be as urgent, interest as opposed to drive.

Article in sciencedaily that fits this discussion;
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Binge eating linked to weight-loss challenges

Someone who binge eats consumes an objectively large amount of food while feeling a loss of control over eating. When episodes occur weekly for several months, the action moves into the realm of binge-eating disorder. So how does this type of eating affect people with Type 2 diabetes and obesity who are actively working to lose weight?

According to new findings from the University of Pennsylvania published in the journal Obesity, it presents a significant obstacle: Those who continue to binge eat while trying to lose weight drop about half as much as those who don't or those who do and then subsequently stop.

"Continued binge eating can act as a barrier to achieving success," said Ariana Chao, an assistant professor in the Penn School of Nursing.

Chao studies how addictive-like eating behaviors influence treatment effectiveness for different populations. To better understand the role of binge eating in weight loss, she and colleagues from Penn's Perelman School of Medicine, the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, the University of Connecticut and the National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases assessed data from a study called Action for Health in Diabetes, or Look AHEAD. This multi-center randomized, controlled trial included more than 5,000 participants ages 45 to 76, all with a body mass index above 25 (or 27 for those using insulin) and Type 2 diabetes.

Look AHEAD's original aim was to compare the effects on cardiovascular morbidity and mortality of two treatment options: an intensive lifestyle intervention designed to induce weight loss and diabetes support and education. The former included dietary recommendations, physical activity and behavior modifications; those in the latter group were encouraged to attend three sessions per year, one each about physical activity, social support and eating.

In addition, Look AHEAD annually assessed binge eating. Via a questionnaire, participants noted any instances in the past six months during which they consumed excess food and felt a lack of control over that consumption.

For this study, Chao and her team, which included Thomas Wadden, the Albert J. Stunkard Professor of Psychology in Psychiatry and director of Penn's Center for Weight and Eating Disorders, analyzed the impact of binge eating on weight loss. The researchers found that at four years, participants who reported no binge eating or a reduced tendency to do so lost more weight than those who continued to binge eat. Participants lost 4.6 percent of initial body weight compared to 1.9 percent.

"Previously, it was unclear whether people who binge eat need to be treated for that behavior before attempting behavioral weight loss or whether they'll do OK in behavioral weight loss without it," said Chao, who has a secondary appointment in the Department of Psychiatry. "Our findings suggest that people who continue to binge eat after they start a behavioral weight-loss program need an additional treatment like cognitive behavioral therapy, which is one of the most effective for this condition."

Such treatment includes work to recognize the interconnectedness of thoughts, feelings and behaviors, Chao said. For instance, if someone eats to cope with stress, CBT could aim to untangle why and how to change the behavior.

Though this study looked at a particular subset of people, two-thirds of the adult population in the United States is either overweight or obese. For that reason, Wadden said it's important for clinicians to screen for these behaviors and, if found, refer those patients for additional care.

"Individuals with a history of binge eating shouldn't be excluded or discouraged from engaging in behavioral weight loss," he said. "But binge eating should be monitored regularly during weight loss. Participants who continue to report this may benefit from additional or more targeted treatment to ensure success."


https://www.sciencedaily.com/releas...71205115949.htm
Addictive-like seems like a pretty good compromise.

Thoughts, feeling or behaviours--yeah, stress is a thing. My thoughts, feelings and behaviours are strongly affected by diet. Eating very ketogenically, my posts here get longer. I may be dubious of some of what I say, but I'll manage to say it. I'll make more typos, because I'm less scared of making a mistake. Less ketogenically--posts become short, I'll more often decide what I have to say is crap, and delete it.

And if I don't have my diet dialled in, weight loss makes binge eating more likely. I can go for years at 170 pounds, which is lighter than my top weight but still a bit overweight for my frame, and stay on plan with no obvious binge tendency. After losing 15 more pounds a few years ago, I found myself bingeing on ridiculous things like straight honey or maple syrup. Or bowl after bowl of flaxseed porridge. Which tastes okay, but I wouldn't call it hyper-palatable. Trying a strict ketogenic ratio had a dramatic effect. Which is a good thing, because the very idea of yoga or quiet meditation makes me want to break all my furniture.

I like the word "addiction" because behaviour is often mistaken for being mere behaviour. Like you made a wrong decision, like the effect of the substance on your metabolism doesn't factor in. A behaviourist working with rodents doesn't make this mistake, they'd speak of sugar or alcohol as substances to which we have the unconditioned response needed for the development of behaviour guided by a conditioned response. You can also call that a learned response, but if you consider learning as something strictly conscious, you miss a lot of the iceberg. Switch from rodents to humans, suddenly it's about thoughts, feelings and behaviours. Try taking a mind altering drug. If you can still think straight enough to, explain to me how thoughts, feelings and behaviours aren't the metabolism's cabana boys. We should be responsible, and our ability to be responsible depends on our metabolic state.
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