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Old Fri, Jun-14-13, 13:23
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Originally Posted by teaser
I was actually thinking about this earlier, looking at LoveMagnet's protein intake. I see a lot of arguments that we need "extra protein" on a low carb diet, to preserve lean mass etc. But... if we really need only 30 grams of glucose a day, and half of that can come from glycerol, then how much do we really need? In total starvation, I've seen studies where protein loss was only about seven percent of calories after about three weeks. And children on the ketogenic diet manage to be in positive nitrogen balance (grow) with a pretty low protein percentage (but kids can eat a lot of food).

Not sure what my point is. Maybe I just like hearing myself talk today.

Oh yeah, the fruitarians. Some long-term fruitarians really look like they're wasting away--but I'm amazed at how long this seems to take. (I tend to believe these guy's claimed diets precisely because they're wasting away).


I've always thought satiety was the main reason for increased protein on a low carb diet (though the New Atkins authors refer to adequate protein rather than increased), rather than preservation of lean mass (I see that as more of a by-product). Of course it all comes down to the question: How much protein do we really need? And are we looking for minimal performance or optimal? And what variables can change the amount we need? I see a lot of speculation around these questions and not a lot of real research.

I do recall a study from a couple of years ago by George Bray, I believe, where he found that dieters that ate more protein than the control group had better compliance and better results. I think he proposed to be comparing low carb vs low fat, but the low carb arm was not particularly low carb, and the low fat arm was not particularly low fat, but the increased protein group did well.
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