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Old Mon, May-21-18, 10:23
M Levac M Levac is offline
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Originally Posted by Didy
This chart and article have been a mind blower for me! I kept trying to follow the ketogenic diet because I love how I feel when I'm in the zone, but I would either start to gain or just stall. I've just recently discovered youtube videos by Dr. Phinney and Dr. Volek (read about them on the Kickin' Carb Clutter blog - also so informative!) and I learned why I was having difficulties. I was ingesting too much fat and my body was using that for energy, instead of burning up the stuff I wanted to get rid of! Anyway, maybe this will help some of you as well!

I've gotta tell you, it feels so great to see the scale budge again, very encouraging!

https://www.dietdoctor.com/much-fat-eat-ketogenic-diet

About that chart illustrating Ted Naiman's idea of what should happen. I had the exact same idea a few years ago. However, I was only concerned with the effect on food intake, not with the effect on fat loss. Anyways, I'm aware it's just an idea, so I asked here on this forum for input about it. Here's the thread: http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=456354 I think it's relevant here and it could probably help you figure out your situation.

Recently I posted my updated paradigm on my blog (link in my signature). In there, I explain how eating fat is self-limiting. So, eat fat, at some point can't eat any more fat, so you stop eating fat cuz you're full. We can see this self-limitation as a hard limit. With Ted Naiman's idea, we're talking about a soft limit, somewhere below this hard limit. It's a bit like the difference between "I'm stuffed" and "that was a good meal". However, we're talking about moving the scale. So, the idea is to figure out the soft limit that makes this happen.

On the other hand, personally, I believe dietary fat should have no effect on fat loss because it has near-zero effect on the primary regulator of fat tissue - insulin. If anything, dietary fat should make insulin drop, at least if insulin was too high to begin with. So based on that I suggest you find out what other things you did besides eating a bit less fat. In my paradigm, I explain the primary point of disruption, and how the primary disruptor of everything is dietary carbs. When I'm searching for the cause (in this case, for the cause of a stall, and the cause of a re-start), that's where I start looking, then I go on from there.

Just a few days ago I read some stuff by Volek and Phinney and I realized that they understand my paradigm in their own way. I mean, they understand the experimental data and stuff. I forget exactly what I read but the point is try to find more from Volek and Phinney, they should enlighten you a bit more, at least to explain things.

But then, whatever you did, you got results, so stick with that.
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