Veggies--I find myself an accidental dirty carnivore, no plants except for spices and various caffeinated beverages. Did it because my Dad wanted to try it and it's easier for him if we both do it. I have sort of a bum shoulder, used to take niacin for it but had to cycle on and off, once I went ketogenic I stopped needing the niacin, but it would occasionally be a bit sore working out. Much better when I dropped the plants, don't why.