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Originally Posted by fluffybear
I used to keep up with all the Kimkins discussions on "another" low carb discussion board. Then I came over here to Active Low Carber. When I went back to the "other" board poof--Kimmers was gone and from what I hear on a not too pleasant note. I think its great that Kim lost weight using her own ideas. Many people on this board have also lost weight using their own plan. However I've seen nothing other than anecdotal evidence that her (the Kimkins) plans works across the board for everyone. I think that charging people for her advice is rather crass myself when she has absolutely NO background in nutrition other than reading stuff on and off the internet which we can all do.
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I've gotten so many "reports" about this thread I finally had to come over. I thought I was done with this stuff when I left LCF? Sigh.
Crass? Hmmm. Are you aware that Jean Neidich was a Queens, NY housewife who started by holding paid meetings in her apartment? She has no nutritional background. She also sold the Weight Watchers name to Nestle a few years ago for $600,000,000. Crass or smart business move?
Jenny Craig has been interviewed several times that she started her plan with no nutritional background. She learned as she went along. Was it crass for her to charge members? I wonder what the Jenny Craig empire is worth?
Both Dr. Atkins and Agatson are cardiologists. Certainly they didn't "need" the money they made from Atkins and South Beach. They both took an oath to help people. Couldn't they have sold their books for $5 instead of $25? Dr. A donated $100,000,000 of his own money to the Atkins Center for research. When you're making that kind of money off of the Atkins Diet, couldn't you offer the books for free? I wonder how much Dr. Agatson got for his deal to market South Beach meals and snacks? Is that crass, too?
For $39.95 Kimkins members receive an excellent value, and at less than the registration fee alone to join Weight Watchers. Judging from the PMs and emails I receive daily what people seem to appreciate most is direct access to me. Hmmm, I wonder how much the Atkins & South Beach books would cost if the authors included direct access to the doctors?
I'm puzzled as to why you ladies would even spend time wondering about the legalities of the Kimkins site, but if it keeps you from grabbing carbs it's OK with me.
I am doing nothing illegal. Kimkins was a name given by a member of LCF as a combination of Kimmer & Atkins. It reminded me of the book
Rumplestiltskin that I used to read to my sons when they were small and that's a pleasant memory for me.
FYI - I can discuss Atkins, Stillmans, South Beach and Weight Watchers until the cows come home. I can criticize the parts of their plans that contradict my own plan. I can borrow excerpts and quotes. Drag out your law school books and look up
fair usage.
Keep in mind that Dr. Atkins didn't invent low carb. Keep in mind that Dr. Stillman published several years before he did. My grandmother was born in 1892 and used my version of low carb all of her life. Probably why she was a size 2. There's nothing "new" about low carb.
You can't copyright an idea, only the expression of an idea. Look it up.
The reason I left LCF is because some people didn't like "Ask Kimmer" on the front page. I asked Tom for my own forum. For those of who think it's crass for me to charge for my time but OK to donate 6 hours a day, it would have remained free advice. Tom said "no" and I started my own site.
mgw, you're a Kimkins member as are a few other people on this site. If you had questions, why not send me a PM or an email? I don't understand why you would ask
other people what
I mean. Ask me directly.
Continue on ladies. Maybe you'd like to dredge up a discussion on Starvation Mode, while you're at it?