thebear,
thanks for your response. I put mayo in tuna or in eggs. (eggsalad or tunasalad) thats about it. OH, and i make a hamburger patty with cheese and throw some mayo on it also. I'm a bit disappointed to find out that hard boiled eggs takes away some of the protein, i love them! Well, I am learning. I do cook in butter and barely use oils, except in salad, which i rarely eat. Thanks for bringing 47 years of wisdom and research to this board, its highly appreciated.

Looks like we are in the minority Dupark....but I agree with everything you said.

:lol:

Welcome, Bear! I am soo excited you decided to join here!

You've been a tremendous source of inspiration for my husband and I through the years. I am truly pleased you have come to share you experience in this forum!

Thanks again for your support and encouragement on eating the proper human diet.

*hugs*

Keepin Phaith Alive,

I see acculturation is alive and well, all the comments on vegetation as well as young kids copying mum are to be expected, as the eating of veggies is learned long before speech.

So far as duparc, I am appalled to find his mind so poisoned with his own calcified ego that he chooses to call me a liar. I have no need to lie. Why bother? The way I found the Eskimo/Inuit diet in 1958 is EXACTLY as I have recounted, and I resent narrow minded fools attacking my veracity and honour. No one has to follow my path, I am just trying to share it for those for whom it may be of use. I do not expect anyone to adapt the all meat lifestyle, it is against the basic modern's acculturation as noted, and my experience has verified the difficulty.

Creationist is it? Whew. Superstition should play no part in a modern educated person's life. This is not to say that the Universe is not a conscious entity, only to say that it works perfectly without a humanoid god-figure controlling it, and follows exactly all the rules of science and nature (I suggest reading a little book called the Kybalion). In my mind, the Universe is a constantly created thing which we are part of, and is not a clock wound up once and let go. Everything in Alchemy can be tested in science and science has proven evolution. But this is not really a part of dietary practice other than to say that life is just as conscious for plants as for animals. Plants are likely to be more conscious due to a lack of an ego limiting and focusing perception due to the need to move around a seek food. It is just that we are not able to understand plants. Some research (Backster)has verified their ability to respond to music and identify threat, etc. Life lives on life, whether an animal eats animals or plants it is the way organic creatures exist, face it. We are what our evolution has made us. If we began and remained herbivorous (which we did not- earliest primates were insectivores), we would be about as intelligent as the other animals which eat plants, like cattle and sheep. The development and maintenance of a large brain and high intelligence, is a very energy intensive undertaking- and is unlikely ever to occur in a herbivore who lives on very low quality, high mass foods- and none have.

Now theBear, I really appreciate your point of view, but if you would just tone down the acidity in your responses just a tad - I think that would keep this thead from getting locked. I have really enjoyed reading it so far.

You're starting to make me look not-so-confrontational in comparison, and that's not a compliment :lol:

Just one data point, gorillas are almost completely vegetarian, and orangutans eat mainly fruit, with bark, and leaves making up most of the difference during non-fuiting periods. They eat a very small amount of insects, but that is a small percentage of their diet.

This says nothing about what humans should eat, but just to point out that there are other large, related primates who are pretty much completely vegetarian. The primates who are closer to us genetically, chimps and bonobos are most definitely omnivorous. That last link is a very interesting article on chimp predatory behavior and possible relations to our distant ancestors' hunting behaviors.

Plane

PlaneCrazy I thought you had gone on a world cruise and died from over-eating. Nice to see your return!

Welcome Bear!
 

Glad to see you here. Being Terra's hubby, I can say that Bear has been a wonderful resource and fountain of information on the diet. In fact, I read his essay and started the diet long before I even knew of the existance of Atkins, the Eades, et al.

Focus and discipline on the diet is easily the hardest thing I've ever done, as I've started and failed several times over the years. :help:

In the end it's all mental and I'm convinced that this time I have the positive energy to succeed. There are not many people like Bear so I'm glad he's around to share. :agree:

Just wanted to jump in here and say that I'm thoroughly enjoying the give and take of this thread. Fascinating!

Just curious what everyone thinks of a gender and age facet to this argument. Any difference between men and women here? Any difference for a women "of the age"?

This is fun! Keep it up!!!

I am beginning to suspect that this thread has been hijacked by a religious sect called 'creationists' or maybe I am just becoming paranoid due to longevity! Seen it and heard it all before (as I pat a few yawns)!

Fascinating post, Bear! You have answered quite a few of the questions I had on proper nutrition. It makes sense to me, and I will follow your way of eating as closely as I can manage. I am nearly there anyway. Thanks for all the info.

If the real human diet is a totally carnivorous one, so when and especially WHY did the Aborigines (and other hunter-gatherers) include plant food in their diet? Where the lads suddenly tired of going hunting all the time? Why go through all the hassle of hunting, simply hang out at home and let the ladies get some fruit and tubers.

I haven’t met anyone in my entire life yet who doesn’t like sweet stuff (ice cream, cookies, fruit, or whatever). If we had been purely carnivorous, this trait, e.g. the sweet tooth, would have been lost during evolution since there hadn’t been any advantage in keeping it. I have a hard time believing that a taste for sweet stuff stems purely from the period birth to 8. However, I know to little about taste buds and their development.

I see that will is a requirement for the changes you propose. Yet, I'm confused when you talk about will, and then claim:



How are you defining "will", then? Do you think that will exists?

I mostly agree with the meat/fat theory, but I do get a few calories on a daily basis from non-starchy veggies, mainly brassicas and herbs. I much prefer them fermented, slathered with butter, or with a vinegrette dressing. In this preference I see a possible link to the fact that when our ancestors killed their prey, often a large ruminent, it often had a stomach full of fermenting vegetable matter, and that this material, like the organ meats, could have been a superior source of certain nutrients to the hunters.

So pardon me if I have a bit of sauerkraut or kimchi, or a nice wild greens salad with vinagrette to go with my slab-o-beef :)

Wyv

This article (one of my all time favorites) makes many mentions of fermenting matter in herbivore intestines as being very nutritious!