Red Yeast Rice For Ldl/ Adkins
Hey all would love some input if any of you use RYR- for LDL- Lipids issues. Do not want statins- going this route first.
LDL- 197- doctor had fit?????? Input please Tri- 80 everything else great Thoughts? |
Do an Advanced Search of the Cholesterol Forum for Red Yeast Rice, many threads came up, I don't know anything about it.
Suggest you also read through threads on the first page of that forum http://forum.lowcarber.org/forumdisplay.php?f=48 to learn more about what ratios and numbers are important. Dr Westman and others http://www.docsopinion.com/2014/07/...ride-hdl-ratio/ consider the Trig/HDL a primary indicator, an ideal ratio would be <2 and Optimal superstar would be a ratio of 1, or 70/70. With a Trig of 80, an HDL over 50 would at the least be in the range of "ideal" :) If you are actively losing weight on LC, the LDL number could be anywhere in the ST, why lipid test not advised until weight stable. Many good threads on that forum and a "stickie" on top why LDL can go up on LC , Dr Zoe Harcombe is a favorite. http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=466506 If you are still worried, consider having a CAC...why read tea leaves when doctors can now look into the heart? Very happy we did this, $99 last Feb, a heart month special, and now know I have a low score http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=471526 My thoughts? I wouldn't give an LDL of 197 a second thought now, it may even be protective if you are an older woman. However, it took a long time and lots of reading about cholesterol, having a skeptical doctor, and a reassuring test to reach that conclusion about ME. Depending on your family history, health, age you may come to the opposite decision about your LDL and statins, be informed. All the best, |
Janet-
Thank you for your lovely response. I absoultly will check out that info! Thanks a lot! |
Red yeast rice has properties of statins.
With that number of LDL I would take statins. JMHO. |
Hi. Yikes, I would not recommend taking statins. Like Janet suggested, have a gander at this sticky thread, and then try plugging your numbers into the calculator linked in post #4.
Long story short, LDL is not routinely measured. It's calculated using a formula that is simply wrong when you have low triglycerides (which is good, and typical of all of us following a LC WOE.) Being in the process of losing weight also seems to screw things up. I'd wait until I was maintaining (whether at your ultimate goal or not) to put much into a lipid profile. And even now, I take it with a grain of salt. |
Omg- I have been reading the treads Janet gave me. But yet I am hearing from one that has had a heart attack . I think I need more research. My doctor was just like- "hey you are a heart attack ready to happen- even with a low Triglyceride.
I got really sick yesterday- after taking a dose. Don't know if it was that or tummy bug? But not in a rush to either eat or take more supplements. Has anyone had good luck with this? |
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I've never taken red yeast rice as Low Carb has completely resolved my formerly "high cholesterol", however a quick google shows tummy upset as a side effect: http://umm.edu/health/medical/altme.../red-yeast-rice (scroll down to side effects). My husband found The Great Cholesterol Myth (Bowden and Sinatra) to be very helpful when trying to decide whether to take the statins his doctor wanted to prescribe. At least his doctor was rational and realized that his low trigs and high HDL were probably more predictive than his high LDL. Both he and I had the Coronary Artery Scan as well and found we had scores of zero. As Janet suggests, it can eliminate a huge amount of anxiety about potential heart disease. |
Thanks all. Love the idea of a scan. I think in light of what I have been reading, thank you Janet. I am going to wait a bit on doing anything different. I will look into a. Scan I have heard they do them for 99 dollars. there is something scary about those. Like what if it's bad. Yes I am not the best patient. Thanks for everyone's input
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If it is "bad" then you and your doctor can decide together the next step. My GP considered the CAC score, cholesterol(still), age, history...she appeared to have some formula...and all together tests indicated no action was necessary. Action might be lifestyle changes, statins, aspirin, or surgery which may save your life...better to know and have choices. At least the test itself is nothing to be scared of...a very simple and easy test.
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The theory behind "high cholesterol" led to decades of rising heart disease rates. Dr Ancel Keys has been thoroughly discredited. Heart attack survival rates are better through better emergency medicine; but it's not like people are getting fewer heart attacks even though they are usually taking statins.
It's worth asking yourself why that might be so. Why should I risk my health with a discredited theory when the side effects of statins are so horrendous... even irreversible? Can't think of a single reason :) |
Ancel Keys might be discredited, but if taking a statin can save you from having a heart attack then it's worth taking.
There's still a lot unknown about high cholesterol, but it is a known fact that it is a risk factor for heart attacks. For the few people whose LDL goes way up on low carb, it's way different than for those who have good results with cholesterol and low carb eating. Way different. All the research in the world to discredit taking a statin won't help you if you are the one having a heart attack. |
After reading the posts to this thread, it bears stating that it is advisable to do thorough research on statins before starting down this road. As Janet indicates, one who is following a LC eating plan will have high LDL in early stages. It is particularly fuzzy if that LDL measurement is estimated and not measured. How to know? If you had a simple and standard cholesterol test, the LDL is estimated and not measured. If you had an NMR Lipid Panel, LDL is measured and broken down into types and amount of LDL types.
Most cardiologists will prescribe a statin as a safety measure, and this is where you need to do the most research, as the pharmaceutical companies adjust statistics regarding statin effectiveness in a very favorable way for them. Doctor's are very good are reciting these statistics, so they've learned well. For those who may be candidates or have been prescribed statins, you must do the research, as there are opposing views by very qualified people. A book I highly recommend is "Fat and Cholesterol Don't Cause Heart Attacks and Statins are Not The Solution" which is a compilation of articles by professionals active in the field. To many in the standard medical establishment, it may be considered heresy. However you decide to go, it's always best when you're able to make an informed decision. Only you can do that with knowledge. What I recommend is only for myself, so be cautious with anyone who has a definitive solution and be thorough when traveling this road. Good luck and all the best with your journey. |
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Actually, that's not true. Plenty of people with low cholesterol have heart attacks. Middle-aged men who have already had a heart attack are the only cohort who shows some benefit: there's a slightly lowered risk with statins. And statin use increases the incidence of congestive heart failure, by blocking CoQ10. Do you have the genetic profile that could lead to ALS if you take statins? Because such a thing exists. If statins were a miracle drug: there would be miracles. But there isn't. They don't have nearly the track record they have been pumped up to be; and the side effects are extremely serious. |
Just to be CLEAR.. I never said people that have low cholesterol don't get heart attacks. People on statins also get heart attacks. I only said that a high LDL is A RISK FACTOR. So my statement is true. I never said it was a miracle drug either.
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Here is a little something that recently, I keep reading over and over.
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