Sugar; they still don't get it department
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The red.... 35 percent fat is pretty much average consumption of fat. So this limit doesn't really do much. There's some evidence for therapeutic value of a much lower fat diet, or as we know here of a much higher fat diet, not much for the sort of moderate-to-non-existent fat restriction advocated here. And sugar, less than 10 grams, less than 250 calories, that's up to 16 percent sugar, still kind of high. I realize they're trying to ask as little of people as possible, to increase compliance, and that's just exactly the problem. People argue about whether we got fatter while following the guidelines, or while not following the guidelines, but the guidelines are so anemic--whether you fall into the low carb or the low fat paradigm--as to be useless no matter which side is right. And more than one gram of dietary fiber per serving? People who eat 80 grams of fiber a day seem to have some advantages vs the SAD--so what happens? If your vending machine food doesn't have at least 1 gram per 250 calories, that works out to at least 15 grams if you decided to visit the machine ten times and get all your food from it on a 2500 calorie diet. Good luck finding anything showing that a 2500 calorie refined carb diet that includes 15 grams of fiber or so is somehow therapeutic. This is like doing a drug study, finding the effective doses, and then prescribing homeopathic doses that haven't actually been shown to do anything. Almost like our various dietary recommendations were put together by committees of bureaucrats and lobbyists. |
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Good points, and yes, another useless study focusing on the wrong things. How to delay immediate gratification of a potential addict. An addict will find another source if it's a problem, or she/he will become conditioned to the delay. The criteria for what constitutes a healthy choice is the problem, as this study is based on the weak presumption that some of the choices available are in fact healthy. We haven't even begun to agree on that! In the world of processed foods, choosing the healthy ones becomes an exercise in futility. Seems like a study likely funded by food vending machine manufacturers looking for a competitive edge . . . |
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My own thinking, too. What the vending machine codes as "healthy" could have as much wrong with it in other ways. |
I can't think of very many foods that I consider healthy that COULD even be packaged reasonably safely to put into a vending machine. If the machine is chilled and any unpurchased foods were removed and thrown away before they went bad, one could maybe stock a vending machine with hardboiled eggs, cheese, nuts, guacamole dip with celery sticks, and precooked sausage links. REAL healthy foods tho just don't have the shelf life necessary to go into vending machines.
So, slowing folks down from getting their candy bars and salty deep fried corn chips so that they'll maybe choose a fig newton cookie or a granola bar instead? Just swapping one kind of carbage for another kind of carbage... and a FALSE sense that one had made a better food choice. But how many people who choose the granola bar from the vending machine at lunch time will then allow themselves a candy bar when they stop for gas on the way home because, after all, they were good and DIDN'T have one at lunch time so DESERVE one now? |
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There are some nice pics dating back to 1897 at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automat |
The need for snacks is the problem. If a person is adequately nourished during meals, then there is no reason to have a snack.
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I'd add something to that--adequately nourished, and adequately entertained. I think we're supposed to be nourished, enjoy food, and then be relatively disinterested for a while. Remove salt from "healthy" snacks--what happens? It makes "healthy" snacks even less popular. Food that's actually good for you should be rewarding. Eating more potato chips, partly because the saltiness appeals to you? Probably not the best. Salt enhancing a pork chop, some buttery broccoli or spinach? Not so cut and dry, I'd say if there's no side of french fries etc., probably a good thing.
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A craving for potato chips may be signalling a need for salt. When I have one, I'll make some mashed cauliflower or other vegs with butter and plenty of salt, or have some salty bone broth or jicama/diakon fries, and voila, I'm satisfied and have no desire for chips.
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This thread: The Case Against Snacking is about me deciding against snacks. If I'm hungry, it's a meal. If I don't want a meal, I'm not hungry enough! |
I'd like to write something smart, it's not easy. Let's see.
The entire premise is the assumption that people are fat and sick now because they haven't been following the official guidelines for the past 40 years, and this system is intended to incentivize people to follow the official guidelines with the firm belief that doing so will make them less fat and less sick. For the past 8 or so years of reading countless articles and essays and blog posts and opinions and research papers and a few good related books, let alone my own personal experience, it's become more and more obvious that people have been following the official guidelines and that's precisely why they're now fat and sick today. Take my favorite butcher for example. The very first time I asked to not cut off the fat, the man looked at me as if I'd asked him to stab me or something. The very idea of eating fat has been deeply and widely stigmatized for many years, nay decades, before that incident at the butcher's. Nobody wakes up with the fear of fat in the eyes. It's taught, ingrained, hammered, over years and decades. The official guidelines have been doing just that for 40 years. Fear of fat isn't just ever present, it's also a central part of certain diets which are said to be even better than the official guidelines, as if the guidelines weren't strict enough about fat, and people believe it, hook line and sinker. So, I guess the smart thing I'm going to write is that the premise is wrong and the system is bound to fail, or if we prefer, bound to a resounding success at deepening the on-going effects of the official guidelines. I'm thinking of investing in Big Pharma at this point. |
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Yes. They just want to blame the victims. This beautiful theory! YOU PEOPLE must be doing something wrong! It's like Dogma now, not science. |
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Yes & yes! People I know casually (meaning I haven't told them how I eat) seem surprised that I don't snack (well, to be honest, I rarely snack :o ). I also don't see many vending machines. The last time I rode Greyhound I found myself getting very bored. Because of motion sickness I can't read & that was before I had a smart phone to play with. At one of the stops we were stuck for about 30 minutes. I remember walking in circles in the terminal, peering at all the vending machine offerings - they were awful! Not even a package of plain nuts. :mad: |
Amsterdam's solution to the obesity crisis: no fruit juice and enough sleep. I attribute much of the positive strides our WOE make to the success of the Diet Doctor. He is bringing us into the mainstream. There's hope. |
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Good point. Andreas has developed a global reach and is influencing many. |
When I was in kindergarden (1959) we had a snack (juice & graham cracker), but I don't remember any between-meal snacks after that. We all got a subsidized half-pint of WHOLE milk to drink with cafeteria or brought-from-home lunches and ran around for recess. And there were only a few "husky" kids in the whole K-5, but no obese or morbidly obese kids. It was the ultra skinny that got songs:
"Alice, where are you going?" "Upstairs, to take a bath." Alice, with legs like toothpicks And a neck like a giraffe! Ba-da-da-da-da-da-da! Alice got in the bathtub, Alice pulled out the plug. Oh, my gracious! Oh, my soul! There goes Alice down the hole! "Alice, where are you going?" Blub! Blub! Blub! |
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