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Since they were tiny they were probably in the "normal weight range," and therefore eating at the 3.5 fat gram ratio. When I get there my fat grams per day will be 200g as well. But that's immaterial. If you want to eat more protein, more fat and more carbs than the ratios say you should -- according to Dr. K's most recent calculation -- and you continue to lose weight, then do it and enjoy! We'll all celebrate the loss of every single pound. :) Lisa |
1700-1900 calories would leave me wanting. And I don't eat high protein either - 80g a day. My perfect weight is 60 kilos, which I did achieve before I started my on-going weight gain (see journal).
Yes I would LOVE to believe this would work for me, but I've noticed in the past when dropping protein to 60g and upping fat a lot I did not lose anything - apart from maybe some muscle. But then my carbs were uber-low as well. Maybe the secret is in increasing the carbs. I wish there were some explanation as to why carbs are better than protein for getting glucose. Wish I spoke Polish for that matter, then I could probably find out. Anybody know? |
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The main K thread has a lot of info about why this is both correct and important. Lisa |
Yeah Lisa - not meaning to be rude but I'm not new to Kwasniewski's ideas or the science behind high fatting - I used to hang out at the Optimal forum for quite awhile, and yes, of course I am keeping up with the thread. But no, it doesn't explain about this. I want the science. Who actually has the book? What does it say?
Coming from doing high fat high calorie eating for over 3 years I need hard proof about raising carbs. I hope you understand. |
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Thanks for the link, 2bthinner. There seem to be several books with virtually the same title. Are they different editions, or different books? If anyone could help me decide which one to get, I will probably order it. I would be willing to get a German version if the best version is not available in English, but I'd have to ask my wife to help me understand it. |
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I asked the same question a while ago. A member who has the books answered: Quote:
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No problem on this end. There's are several links in most of the threads, including this one, that will take you to the site to order the books in English. I think you may be disappointed when you read them though, since the explanation K has given in many places is always the same: you must eat just enough carbs to remain out of ketosis. And the reason for that is to make sure your glycogen storage tank (the one used for flight or fight and also these days when exercising; thus refilling it is always the body's priority) is filled by carbs, not by protein via gluconeogenesis. That has been discussed on the threads, and that's pretty much what you're going to find in the books. I've seen the same thing stated on all the OD forums as well. In any event, if you do find out more by all means share it here. As for me, I honestly don't care what the books or science has to say about it, because I must go only by what happens to my body when I lower or raise my carbs. Somehow, my body isn't all that interested in theory -- no matter how much it might work well for some people, or not at all for others. :lol: Lisa |
Thanks for the repost, Kharma.
I think I understand this page now, but it's a little confusing: http://www.wgp.com.pl/index.php?id_s=205&id_j=en At the top of this page there are copies of Optimal Nutrition and Homo Optimus, apparently in English, for $30 and $48. Further down, the Polish versions are shown for $20 and $24, but the descriptions say "Available in English." I guess that means, "Look at the top of the page where you'll find the English versions" but that wasn't obvious at first. When I have the money and the time to read, I'll probably order Optimal Nutrition. |
It is confusing. and a little frustrating ordering is so convoluted.
I have a friend going to the Czech Republic in 3 weeks. Trying to decide if she may have luck finding the english versions there (and save on shipping) or if I should just bite the bullet and order them now. |
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I've been thinking about the question of increasing carbs a lot myself. Dr. K's approach fits with my philosophy: don't make your body do extra work. That's why I'm against fiber - fiber only lowers GI by making your body do extra work passing it through. Calorie restriction makes your body do extra work by denying it the fuel it needs. Grains and beans make your body do extra work by binding up minerals and flooding your body with other antinutrients, which then need to be flushed. So it makes sense that you don't want to tax your body with excess protein. My problem now is figuring out which carbs I could have. I'm planning to keep it pretty Paleo. I'm on a no-vegetables trial right now because I want to rule out vegetables as a cause of my troubles, but when that is finished I'm thinking of upping my sauerkraut and maybe adding some turnips or potatoes. Plus, it will be berry season by then and I can't say no to a few fresh local berries! |
By the way, I'm gonna try a new experiment!
I will eat only my ratios from Dr K. 90g protein and 70g carbs per day with as little fat as possible to see if that can possibly speedup weight loss or if I'm just going to feel lethargic. I probably know what will happen, but I need to see it for myself. ;) I was thinking of eating Egg Protein powder and Minute Rice (white) or rice pastas. Patrick |
Egg protein powder sounds like a bad idea. Even fresh egg whites would be better - but seriously, how low-fat are you going to go if you're not going to eat the egg yolks?
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I would only intake fat that comes with the nutriments I will eat to reach my 90g of P and 70g of C. I know powder isn't that great. But I don't know of any other convenient way of doing this experiment. :(
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2bthinner, thanks for the extra help with the ratios. I'm still not clear where we are getting our suggested number of calories a day to apply the percentages too, but I am much clearer now on the percentages.
Awriter, thank you for post #17... I could relate to so much of what you said there. I'm mentally fighting the idea of such a reduced amount of protein (Deprivation!!! the brain screams) but I'm doing it anyway and not finding it as hard as anticipated, so hoping a metamorphisis in my thinking will continue and my success will mirror yours too. |
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The ratio for weight loss is p:f:c of 1: 2.5 :0.8. Your protein is based on your ideal weight, with 1g protein for each kilogram of body weight. So, for example, if your ideal weight is 56kg, then your protein is 56g. Then using the ratio, you can figure out the other macronutrients. In this case, fat would be 140g (56 * 2.5) and carbs would be 45g (56 * 0.8). It all changes depending on what your "ideal weight" is. So instead of taking your calorie limit and working backwards, you take your protein limit and work forwards. Does that make sense? |
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