Cornea burn and nutrition

[Veryredeye]

I'm currently suffering from a relatively bad cornea burn on
the lower part of the cornea (from mistakenly using grapefruit
seed extract instead of contact lens refresher drops! It hurt
extremely). This happened five days ago. The eye doctor gave
me Tobradex (trobramicine and dexamethasone) every four hours.
I understand this (dex.) is a corticosteroid which calms the
inflammation enabling the wound to heal properly while the
antibiotic prevents infection. My eye is much less inflammed
now and doesn't hurt as much, and I can see relatively well
with it, but it's still quite scary to look at and I get a lot
of random tears/blurry vision...The doctor said we need to see
how the burn heals and that the thing to avoid is "white
spots" on the cornea from improper healing.

Now, I've read that the cornea contains a large amount of
ascorbic acid and that Vit C is also very useful as an
antioxydant in the eye and to help rebuild burnt collagen. So
would supplemental vit c and/or other antioxydants help me
rebuild my cornea properly?

A Pubmed search yielded the following article :

Effects of various eye drops on corneal wound healing after
superficial keratectomy in rabbits. Tani E, Katakami C, Negi
A. PURPOSE: The effects of various eye drops on corneal wound
healing, particularly in the subepithelial haze area, were
investigated histologically following superficial keratectomy
in rabbits. METHODS: [...] RESULTS: In the control and
diclofenac groups, corneal haze occurred 3 weeks after
keratectomy. Histological examination revealed an accumulation
of proliferating keratocytes and active synthesis of collagen
in the subepithelial area. In the tranilast and betamethasone
groups, formation of corneal haze was reduced compared to the
controls. The proliferation of keratocytes and the production
of collagen in the corneal stroma were inhibited by these
drugs. In the hyaluronic acid group also, corneal haze was
decreased. In this group, although the proliferation of
keratocytes was activated compared to the controls, abnormal
accumulation of keratocytes in the subepithelial area was not
detected. CONCLUSIONS: Tranilast and betamethasone decrease
the formation of subepithelial haze by inhibiting keratocyte
proliferation and synthesis of extracellular matrix in the
corneal stroma. Hyaluronic acid, on the other hand, inhibits
subepithelial haze by promoting physiologic wound healing.

If I get this right, this means that collagen production
should be avoided so that cornea haze can be reduced? And that
this is what the corticosteroid drops do? Does this imply that
supplemental ascorbic acid (and maybe msm?), in that it would
increase collagen production should be avoided? Also would the
use of other antioxidants, such as grape seed extracts (there
are pubmed articles stating that GSE helps with collagen also,
in a different way than asc. acid) and green tea be avoided?
What about zinc? Any other ideas? Obviously I won't be too
keen on using this nice grapefruit seed extract anymore...

Thanks for any help.

[Al Hephy]

The best advice I can give you is, "Don't take advice about
this from the internet!" You are already under the care of a
doctor-- don't mess it up. You're lucky you can still see.

Al

veryredeye <anon@anon.com> wrote in message =
news:vfmr9vsg6fdi463102gvlttmme79lkejl2@4ax.com...
> I'm currently suffering from a relatively bad cornea burn on
> the lower part of the cornea (from mistakenly using
> grapefruit seed extract instead of contact lens refresher
> drops! It hurt extremely). This happened five days ago.=20
> The eye doctor gave me Tobradex (trobramicine and
> dexamethasone) every four hours. I understand this (dex.) is
> a corticosteroid which calms the inflammation enabling the
> wound to heal properly while the antibiotic prevents
> infection. My eye is much less inflammed now and doesn't
> hurt as much, and I can see relatively well with it, but
> it's still quite scary to look at and I get a lot of random
> tears/blurry vision...The doctor said we need to see how the
> burn heals and that the thing to avoid is "white spots" on
> the cornea from improper healing.
>=20
> Now, I've read that the cornea contains a large amount of
> ascorbic acid and that Vit C is also very useful as an
> antioxydant in the eye and to help rebuild burnt collagen.
> So would supplemental vit c and/or other antioxydants help
> me rebuild my cornea properly?=20
>=20
> A Pubmed search yielded the following article :
>=20
> Effects of various eye drops on corneal wound healing after
> superficial keratectomy in rabbits. Tani E, Katakami C, Negi
> A. PURPOSE: The effects of various eye drops on corneal
> wound healing, particularly in the subepithelial haze area,
> were investigated histologically following superficial
> keratectomy in rabbits. METHODS: [...] RESULTS: In the
> control and diclofenac groups, corneal haze occurred 3 weeks
> after keratectomy. Histological examination revealed an
> accumulation of proliferating keratocytes and active
> synthesis of collagen in the subepithelial area. In the
> tranilast and betamethasone groups, formation of corneal
> haze was reduced compared to the controls. The proliferation
> of keratocytes and the production of collagen in the corneal
> stroma were inhibited by these drugs. In the hyaluronic acid
> group also, corneal haze was decreased. In this group,
> although the proliferation of keratocytes was activated
> compared to the controls, abnormal accumulation of
> keratocytes in the subepithelial area was not detected.
> CONCLUSIONS: Tranilast and betamethasone decrease the
> formation of subepithelial haze by inhibiting keratocyte
> proliferation and synthesis of extracellular matrix in the
> corneal stroma. Hyaluronic acid, on the other hand, inhibits
> subepithelial haze by promoting physiologic wound healing.
>=20
> If I get this right, this means that collagen production
> should be avoided so that cornea haze can be reduced? And
> that this is what the corticosteroid drops do? Does this
> imply that supplemental ascorbic acid (and maybe msm?), in
> that it would increase collagen production should be
> avoided? Also would the use of other antioxidants, such as
> grape seed extracts (there are pubmed articles stating that
> GSE helps with collagen also, in a different way than asc.
> acid) and green tea be avoided? What about zinc? Any other
> ideas? Obviously I won't be too keen on using this nice
> grapefruit seed extract anymore...
>=20
> Thanks for any help.

[Veryredeye]

OK, point taken: before I do anything I'll talk to my doctor.
But I'd still be interested in any other comments/suggestions.

Thanks

On Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:26:52 -0400, "Al Hephy"
<ahephy@freewweb.invalid> wrote:

>The best advice I can give you is, "Don't take advice about
>this from the internet!" You are already under the care of a
>doctor-- don't mess it up. You're lucky you can still see.
>
>Al
>
>veryredeye <anon@anon.com> wrote in message
>news:vfmr9vsg6fdi463102gvlttmme79lkejl2@4ax.com...
>> I'm currently suffering from a relatively bad cornea burn
>> on the lower part of the cornea (from mistakenly using
>> grapefruit seed extract instead of contact lens refresher
>> drops! It hurt extremely). This happened five days ago. The
>> eye doctor gave me Tobradex (trobramicine and
>> dexamethasone) every four hours. I understand this (dex.)
>> is a corticosteroid which calms the inflammation enabling
>> the wound to heal properly while the antibiotic prevents
>> infection. My eye is much less inflammed now and doesn't
>> hurt as much, and I can see relatively well with it, but
>> it's still quite scary to look at and I get a lot of random
>> tears/blurry vision...The doctor said we need to see how
>> the burn heals and that the thing to avoid is "white spots"
>> on the cornea from improper healing.
>>
>> Now, I've read that the cornea contains a large amount of
>> ascorbic acid and that Vit C is also very useful as an
>> antioxydant in the eye and to help rebuild burnt collagen.
>> So would supplemental vit c and/or other antioxydants help
>> me rebuild my cornea properly?
>>
>> A Pubmed search yielded the following article :
>>
>> Effects of various eye drops on corneal wound healing after
>> superficial keratectomy in rabbits. Tani E, Katakami C,
>> Negi A. PURPOSE: The effects of various eye drops on
>> corneal wound healing, particularly in the subepithelial
>> haze area, were investigated histologically following
>> superficial keratectomy in rabbits. METHODS: [...] RESULTS:
>> In the control and diclofenac groups, corneal haze occurred
>> 3 weeks after keratectomy. Histological examination
>> revealed an accumulation of proliferating keratocytes and
>> active synthesis of collagen in the subepithelial area. In
>> the tranilast and betamethasone groups, formation of
>> corneal haze was reduced compared to the controls. The
>> proliferation of keratocytes and the production of collagen
>> in the corneal stroma were inhibited by these drugs. In the
>> hyaluronic acid group also, corneal haze was decreased. In
>> this group, although the proliferation of keratocytes was
>> activated compared to the controls, abnormal accumulation
>> of keratocytes in the subepithelial area was not detected.
>> CONCLUSIONS: Tranilast and betamethasone decrease the
>> formation of subepithelial haze by inhibiting keratocyte
>> proliferation and synthesis of extracellular matrix in the
>> corneal stroma. Hyaluronic acid, on the other hand,
>> inhibits subepithelial haze by promoting physiologic wound
>> healing.
>>
>> If I get this right, this means that collagen production
>> should be avoided so that cornea haze can be reduced? And
>> that this is what the corticosteroid drops do? Does this
>> imply that supplemental ascorbic acid (and maybe msm?), in
>> that it would increase collagen production should be
>> avoided? Also would the use of other antioxidants, such as
>> grape seed extracts (there are pubmed articles stating that
>> GSE helps with collagen also, in a different way than asc.
>> acid) and green tea be avoided? What about zinc? Any other
>> ideas? Obviously I won't be too keen on using this nice
>> grapefruit seed extract anymore...
>>
>> Thanks for any help.

[Rita]

On Wed, 16 Apr 2003 21:02:07 GMT, veryredeye
<anon@anon.com> wrote:

Ye gods and little fishes! After messing with grapefruit seed
extract in some strange fashion that allowed you to put it in
your eye, you now want to mess with other stuff and put it in
your eye. And you are asking clueless strangers in a newsgroup
to help you? You don't need an eye doctor, you need a
psychiatrist.

>I'm currently suffering from a relatively bad cornea burn on
>the lower part of the cornea (from mistakenly using
>grapefruit seed extract instead of contact lens refresher
>drops! It hurt extremely). This happened five days ago. The
>eye doctor gave me Tobradex (trobramicine and dexamethasone)
>every four hours. I understand this (dex.) is a
>corticosteroid which calms the inflammation enabling the
>wound to heal properly while the antibiotic prevents
>infection. My eye is much less inflammed now and doesn't hurt
>as much, and I can see relatively well with it, but it's
>still quite scary to look at and I get a lot of random
>tears/blurry vision...The doctor said we need to see how the
>burn heals and that the thing to avoid is "white spots" on
>the cornea from improper healing.
>
>Now, I've read that the cornea contains a large amount of
>ascorbic acid and that Vit C is also very useful as an
>antioxydant in the eye and to help rebuild burnt collagen. So
>would supplemental vit c and/or other antioxydants help me
>rebuild my cornea properly?
>
>A Pubmed search yielded the following article :
>
>Effects of various eye drops on corneal wound healing after
>superficial keratectomy in rabbits. Tani E, Katakami C, Negi
>A. PURPOSE: The effects of various eye drops on corneal wound
>healing, particularly in the subepithelial haze area, were
>investigated histologically following superficial keratectomy
>in rabbits. METHODS: [...] RESULTS: In the control and
>diclofenac groups, corneal haze occurred 3 weeks after
>keratectomy. Histological examination revealed an
>accumulation of proliferating keratocytes and active
>synthesis of collagen in the subepithelial area. In the
>tranilast and betamethasone groups, formation of corneal haze
>was reduced compared to the controls. The proliferation of
>keratocytes and the production of collagen in the corneal
>stroma were inhibited by these drugs. In the hyaluronic acid
>group also, corneal haze was decreased. In this group,
>although the proliferation of keratocytes was activated
>compared to the controls, abnormal accumulation of
>keratocytes in the subepithelial area was not detected.
>CONCLUSIONS: Tranilast and betamethasone decrease the
>formation of subepithelial haze by inhibiting keratocyte
>proliferation and synthesis of extracellular matrix in the
>corneal stroma. Hyaluronic acid, on the other hand, inhibits
>subepithelial haze by promoting physiologic wound healing.
>
>If I get this right, this means that collagen production
>should be avoided so that cornea haze can be reduced? And
>that this is what the corticosteroid drops do? Does this
>imply that supplemental ascorbic acid (and maybe msm?), in
>that it would increase collagen production should be avoided?
>Also would the use of other antioxidants, such as grape seed
>extracts (there are pubmed articles stating that GSE helps
>with collagen also, in a different way than asc. acid) and
>green tea be avoided? What about zinc? Any other ideas?
>Obviously I won't be too keen on using this nice grapefruit
>seed extract anymore...
>
>Thanks for any help.

[Drfrank21]

veryredeye <anon@anon.com> wrote in message
news:<vfmr9vsg6fdi463102gvlttmme79lkejl2@4ax.com>...
> I'm currently suffering from a relatively bad cornea burn on
> the lower part of the cornea (from mistakenly using
> grapefruit seed extract instead of contact lens refresher
> drops! It hurt extremely). This happened five days ago. The
> eye doctor gave me Tobradex (trobramicine and dexamethasone)
> every four hours. I understand this (dex.) is a
> corticosteroid which calms the inflammation enabling the
> wound to heal properly while the antibiotic prevents
> infection. My eye is much less inflammed now and doesn't
> hurt as much, and I can see relatively well with it, but
> it's still quite scary to look at and I get a lot of random
> tears/blurry vision...The doctor said we need to see how the
> burn heals and that the thing to avoid is "white spots" on
> the cornea from improper healing.
>
> Now, I've read that the cornea contains a large amount of
> ascorbic acid and that Vit C is also very useful as an
> antioxydant in the eye and to help rebuild burnt collagen.
> So would supplemental vit c and/or other antioxydants help
> me rebuild my cornea properly?
>
> A Pubmed search yielded the following article :
>
> Effects of various eye drops on corneal wound healing after
> superficial keratectomy in rabbits. Tani E, Katakami C, Negi
> A. PURPOSE: The effects of various eye drops on corneal
> wound healing, particularly in the subepithelial haze area,
> were investigated histologically following superficial
> keratectomy in rabbits. METHODS: [...] RESULTS: In the
> control and diclofenac groups, corneal haze occurred 3 weeks
> after keratectomy. Histological examination revealed an
> accumulation of proliferating keratocytes and active
> synthesis of collagen in the subepithelial area. In the
> tranilast and betamethasone groups, formation of corneal
> haze was reduced compared to the controls. The proliferation
> of keratocytes and the production of collagen in the corneal
> stroma were inhibited by these drugs. In the hyaluronic acid
> group also, corneal haze was decreased. In this group,
> although the proliferation of keratocytes was activated
> compared to the controls, abnormal accumulation of
> keratocytes in the subepithelial area was not detected.
> CONCLUSIONS: Tranilast and betamethasone decrease the
> formation of subepithelial haze by inhibiting keratocyte
> proliferation and synthesis of extracellular matrix in the
> corneal stroma. Hyaluronic acid, on the other hand, inhibits
> subepithelial haze by promoting physiologic wound healing.
>
> If I get this right, this means that collagen production
> should be avoided so that cornea haze can be reduced? And
> that this is what the corticosteroid drops do? Does this
> imply that supplemental ascorbic acid (and maybe msm?), in
> that it would increase collagen production should be
> avoided? Also would the use of other antioxidants, such as
> grape seed extracts (there are pubmed articles stating that
> GSE helps with collagen also, in a different way than asc.
> acid) and green tea be avoided? What about zinc? Any other
> ideas? Obviously I won't be too keen on using this nice
> grapefruit seed extract anymore...
>
> Thanks for any help.

Basically you got a chemical burn (acidic type). I don't see
how taking extra oral vitamin C could hurt but any topical
homemade vit c drops (there are no commercial preparations
available) are not the standard of care of treating corneal
chemical burns.

Your cornea should heal in time- alkaline (such as lye) burns
are much more insidious than acidic ones.

frank

[Veryredeye]

Are you trying to be funny? Can you read? I took the
grapefruit extract bottle to be the "dry eye" bottle I
normally use, same format, same size, storage place and
appearance at least in the dark. Foolish accidents happen..but
never to you I guess? I'm trying to understand what's going on
with the healing process and whether nutrition can help.

On Wed, 16 Apr 2003 22:22:15 GMT, Rita
<rkny@myrealbox.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 16 Apr 2003 21:02:07 GMT, veryredeye
><anon@anon.com> wrote:
>
>Ye gods and little fishes! After messing with grapefruit seed
>extract in some strange fashion that allowed you to put it in
>your eye, you now want to mess with other stuff and put it in
>your eye. And you are asking clueless strangers in a
>newsgroup to help you? You don't need an eye doctor, you need
>a psychiatrist.

[Francine]

Your problem is the possiblity of scar tissue formation, which
will cause corneal astigmatism. You want to avoid this if it
is at all possible. Forget about eye drops.

I had an eye accident in 1986 and had shards of metal imbedded
in my cornea. I had an operation to remove them, and had to
wear an eye patch for a few weeks. Boy was my eye tearing! But
I knew that the tears contained whatever my body needed in
order to heal my eyes, and that this was normal. My surgeon,
who was not a particularly unorthodox fellow, had told me to
take alot of vitamin E orally, as this had been shown to
prevent the formation of scar tissue. I did as he suggested,
and I don't tend to scar in general anyway. I was lucky, and
my cornea formed some scar tissue but it was absorbed after a
short while.

I suggest that you do the same. If you don't have a tendency
to high blood pressure, you can actually take quite alot of
vitamin E. Make sure you take this, and any other vitamins,
with food.

Also make sure that you get a huge amount of rest as well. All
healing is optimized by rest.

Good luck...!

Fran

..............

veryredeye <anon@anon.com> wrote in message
news:<q4ur9v00thb926kb0k1rhrnr23snfpu1ro@4ax.com>...
> Are you trying to be funny? Can you read? I took the
> grapefruit extract bottle to be the "dry eye" bottle I
> normally use, same format, same size, storage place and
> appearance at least in the dark. Foolish accidents
> happen..but never to you I guess? I'm trying to understand
> what's going on with the healing process and whether
> nutrition can help.
>
> On Wed, 16 Apr 2003 22:22:15 GMT, Rita
> <rkny@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 16 Apr 2003 21:02:07 GMT, veryredeye
> ><anon@anon.com> wrote:
> >
> >Ye gods and little fishes! After messing with grapefruit
> >seed extract in some strange fashion that allowed you to
> >put it in your eye, you now want to mess with other stuff
> >and put it in your eye. And you are asking clueless
> >strangers in a newsgroup to help you? You don't need an eye
> >doctor, you need a psychiatrist.

[Rishi Giov]

veryredeye wrote:

> I'm currently suffering from a relatively bad cornea burn on
> the lower part of the cornea (from mistakenly using
> grapefruit seed extract instead of contact lens refresher
> drops! It hurt extremely). This happened five days ago.

these things happen because you are helpless without
glasses... and we are trying to convince you that this is a
disease that should be cured!!!

[Veryredeye]

I meant oral ascorbic acid. Found this link which suggestsoral
vit c supplementation helps:

http://www.emedicine.com/oph/topic82.htm

Thanks

>
>Basically you got a chemical burn (acidic type). I don't see
>how taking extra oral vitamin C could hurt but any topical
>homemade vit c drops (there are no commercial preparations
>available) are not the standard of care of treating corneal
>chemical burns.
>
>Your cornea should heal in time- alkaline (such as lye) burns
>are much more insidious than acidic ones.
>
>frank

[Francine]

jhgohde@wmconnect.com (Jhgohde) wrote in message
> Oh Foolish Child! You have committed the sin of publicly
> admitting stupidity in an Internet newsgroup.

OH PLEASE...!

Why do you have to be so crappy to the guy? What, you now feel
like superior human being? He has suffered an accident, and is
frightened. Some of us have the knowledge to help him, or at
least to assuage his fears. I wouldn't have hurt my eye if I
had been wearing protective specs. No one in the factory was
doing so, but I was the one who had the accident. And life had
to go on after that.

What is REALLY stupid is making unproductive, insensitive
comments. You like hurting people, hmmm...? That says alot
about YOU.

Fran

[Veryredeye]

Thanks. I did find pubmed research indicating the limiting and
even preventive effects vitamin e (and ubiquinone Q10) has on
corneal haze (they are antiapoptotic).

On 16 Apr 2003 19:38:05 -0700, francine_eisner@yahoo.com
(Francine) wrote:

>Your problem is the possiblity of scar tissue formation,
>which will cause corneal astigmatism. You want to avoid this
>if it is at all possible. Forget about eye drops.
>
>I had an eye accident in 1986 and had shards of metal
>imbedded in my cornea. I had an operation to remove them, and
>had to wear an eye patch for a few weeks. Boy was my eye
>tearing! But I knew that the tears contained whatever my body
>needed in order to heal my eyes, and that this was normal. My
>surgeon, who was not a particularly unorthodox fellow, had
>told me to take alot of vitamin E orally, as this had been
>shown to prevent the formation of scar tissue. I did as he
>suggested, and I don't tend to scar in general anyway. I was
>lucky, and my cornea formed some scar tissue but it was
>absorbed after a short while.
>
>I suggest that you do the same. If you don't have a tendency
>to high blood pressure, you can actually take quite alot of
>vitamin E. Make sure you take this, and any other vitamins,
>with food.
>
>Also make sure that you get a huge amount of rest as well.
>All healing is optimized by rest.
>
>Good luck...!
>
>Fran
>
>..............
>
>
>veryredeye <anon@anon.com> wrote in message
>news:<q4ur9v00thb926kb0k1rhrnr23snfpu1ro@4ax.com>...
>> Are you trying to be funny? Can you read? I took the
>> grapefruit extract bottle to be the "dry eye" bottle I
>> normally use, same format, same size, storage place and
>> appearance at least in the dark. Foolish accidents
>> happen..but never to you I guess? I'm trying to understand
>> what's going on with the healing process and whether
>> nutrition can help.
>>
>> On Wed, 16 Apr 2003 22:22:15 GMT, Rita
>> <rkny@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Wed, 16 Apr 2003 21:02:07 GMT, veryredeye
>> ><anon@anon.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >Ye gods and little fishes! After messing with grapefruit
>> >seed extract in some strange fashion that allowed you to
>> >put it in your eye, you now want to mess with other stuff
>> >and put it in your eye. And you are asking clueless
>> >strangers in a newsgroup to help you? You don't need an
>> >eye doctor, you need a psychiatrist.

[Robert Rud]

On 17 Apr 2003 10:28:44 GMT, jhgohde@wmconnect.com
(Jhgohde) wrote:

>>From: francine_eisner@yahoo.com (Francine) Date: 4/17/03
>>4:59 AM !!!First Boot!!!
>
>>> Oh Foolish Child! You have committed the sin of publicly
>>> admitting stupidity in an Internet newsgroup.
>
>>OH PLEASE...!
>
>OH PLEASE! I was kind enough to explain what this Twit
>did wrong.
>
>Those who would let him swing in the wind are being crappy in
>my opinion.
>

Well what do you know! Our troll Johnny is back. Have a nice
vacation Johnny? We did. Found a new ISP. Problems with the
old one? LOL.

Rob

[Tom Legert]

> > I'm currently suffering from a relatively bad cornea burn
> > on the lower part of the cornea (from mistakenly using
> > grapefruit seed extract instead of contact lens refresher
> > drops! It hurt extremely). This happened five days ago.
>
> these things happen because you are helpless without
> glasses... and we are trying to convince you that this is a
> disease that should be cured!!!

Oh come on....assuming he's a myope (and we don't know that
anyway!) I'm sure he could have read the label on the bottle!

[Veryredeye]

Do you understand the concept of accident? What is the point
of those ridiculous posts? Are they just weak and mean
attempts at humour at the expense of a wounded (and scared)
person? This is appalling.

On Thu, 17 Apr 2003 16:08:32 -0700, "Tom Legerton"
<tpl23@cam.ac.uk> wrote:
>
>Oh come on....assuming he's a myope (and we don't know that
>anyway!) I'm sure he could have read the label on the bottle!

[Francine]

A Twit, huh? I'm sure he knows what he did wrong.

At least he's not a tapeworm, like you.
..................................

hgohde@wmconnect.com (Jhgohde) wrote in message
news:<20030417062844.19022.00000069@mb-m18.wmconnect.com>...
> >From: francine_eisner@yahoo.com (Francine) Date: 4/17/03
> >4:59 AM !!!First Boot!!!
>
> >> Oh Foolish Child! You have committed the sin of publicly
> >> admitting stupidity in an Internet newsgroup.
>
> >OH PLEASE...!
>
> OH PLEASE! I was kind enough to explain what this Twit
> did wrong.
>
> Those who would let him swing in the wind are being crappy
> in my opinion.

[Slenon]

ghode:
>> OH PLEASE! <snip irrelevant ghode material > in my opinion.

People must take more care as to which rocks they urinate on.
Obviously someone has been careless and another fungal spore
has germinated.

I really hoped you had lied to more donor centers and bled
yourself into non-existance.

Same questions, ghode. What genuine medical/nutrional research
papers have you actually published? What education and
background in medicine do you have? Self agrandizing websites
full of medical, grammatical and spelling errors do not make
you an authority in anyone's mind but your own.

--
Stev Lenon MT(ASCP) Confused? Listen to the music play! Save a
cow, eat a PETA member slenon@tampabay.rr.com http://web.tamp-
abay.rr.com/stevglo/index.html/slhomepage92kword.htm

[Drfrank21]

veryredeye <anon@anon.com> wrote in message
news:<bkhs9vccq8dnrn85mk44afd31d3rer66n1@4ax.com>...
> I meant oral ascorbic acid. Found this link which
> suggestsoral vit c supplementation helps:
>
> http://www.emedicine.com/oph/topic82.htm
>
> Thanks
>

Taking 500-1000 mg of vitamin c during the healing course
should be safe. It could only help, but to what extent would
be the question.I don't know of any of my colleagues who add
this to their regimen for the normal treatment of chemical
bunrs but that doesn't mean it couldn't help. Is the eye
feeling any better??

frank

[Veryredeye]

Thanks frank, I will try and take a little vitamin c, and
maybe some vitamin e as well, as this could reduce scar
tissue. As you say it might help a bit, at least it gives me
some comfort that things will be OK. It's Semana Santa
holiday down here, everybody's left town, and I won't see my
doctor before tuesday evening... She told me to stop taking
the corticosteroid drops after seven days, ie tomorrow. I
just hope pain and inflammation won't reappear after I stop
the drops, with basically no doctors available (apart from ER
of course). My eye is still quite inflammed and looks nasty
on one side, with some patchy "goo" that wasn't there before.
Is this the dreaded scar forming? It's not on the iris
though. Vision is somewhat blurred at times but I can see OK
with my eye glasses on. Streaming tears still pour worth now
and again...

Regards

>
>Taking 500-1000 mg of vitamin c during the healing course
>should be safe. It could only help, but to what extent would
>be the question.I don't know of any of my colleagues who add
>this to their regimen for the normal treatment of chemical
>bunrs but that doesn't mean it couldn't help. Is the eye
>feeling any better??
>
>frank

[Francine]

Hi veryredeye,

Yeah, there are alot of SADISTIC SHITHEADS online,
aren't there?

Try not to worry too much about your condition. Taking
vitamins E and C, generally getting good nutrition, and
finding ways to laugh alot will speed your recovery. What's
done is done, right?

You know...everyone has accidents, comes down with diseases,
and grows old.Those people with total lack of empathy for
others will wind up suffering all by themselves. If they think
they have friends....acting this way, they should guess again.

Cheers, Fran

............................

veryredeye <anon@anon.com> wrote in message
news:<uait9vsbj984n9kqug2j0274d9h2lmahof@4ax.com>...
> Do you understand the concept of accident? What is the point
> of those ridiculous posts? Are they just weak and mean
> attempts at humour at the expense of a wounded (and scared)
> person? This is appalling.
>
> On Thu, 17 Apr 2003 16:08:32 -0700, "Tom Legerton"
> <tpl23@cam.ac.uk> wrote:
> >
> >Oh come on....assuming he's a myope (and we don't know that
> >anyway!) I'm sure he could have read the label on the
> >bottle!

[The Real B]

veryredeye wrote:
>
> Do you understand the concept of accident? What is the point
> of those ridiculous posts? Are they just weak and mean
> attempts at humour at the expense of a wounded (and scared)
> person? This is appalling.

I think that was a slam against Rishi, who deserves much worse
than that, not against you.

All eye problems are scary, especially if you know people who
have serious ones. My guess is that if your doctor thought
additional treatment might be necessary during her absence she
would have told you who to call rather than just leaving you
to the mercies of the ER. Goo is still disgusting, especially
if your eyelids are stuck together when you wake up!

There used to be aerosol fabric softener that you sprayed into
the dryer, and one time I had the can reversed and gave my
open eye a generous shot. Vision was seriously blurry for
about a week, but slowly recovered. (That was back before I
became an astigmatic hyperope and didn't need glasses.) I'm
amazed that it didn't even occur to me to go to a doctor with
that. Since you did, you're definitely ahead of the game.

> On Thu, 17 Apr 2003 16:08:32 -0700, "Tom Legerton"
> <tpl23@cam.ac.uk> wrote:
> >
> >Oh come on....assuming he's a myope (and we don't know that
> >anyway!) I'm sure he could have read the label on the
> >bottle!

--
Cheers, Bev
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Warning -- Driver carries less than $20 worth of ammunition

[Rishi Giov]

veryredeye wrote:

> Do you understand the concept of accident? What is the point
> of those ridiculous posts? Are they just weak and mean
> attempts at humour at the expense of a wounded (and scared)
> person? This is appalling.

I understand it very well. And I understand it so well that it
is my experience that good vision is a great prevention
measure to every accident one may suffer.

But when I say good vision I mean the perfect sight described
in The Book.

[Rishi Giov]

Francine wrote:

> You know...everyone has accidents, comes down with diseases,
> and grows old.Those people with total lack of empathy for
> others will wind up suffering all by themselves. If they
> think they have friends....acting this way, they should
> guess again.

You can divide humanity in two parts, for speculating reasons.

The one part is the idiotic one: they think they are born
to grow old.

The other part, that of the intelligent ones, simply
understands that we are born to GROW UP!

If you choose to grow up, then you have a great path of
understanding ahead of you that you may travel with full
authority and fulfillment. In this particular condition of the
mind, no accident can affect you.

Of course, when you talk about empathy and other beautiful
words you simply show you are lacking much of them, otherwise
if you are empathic you won't feel the need to talk about it,
you simply are.

Again I must confess that your level of idiocy is very hard.

[Rishi Giov]

The Real Bev wrote:
> Vision was seriously blurry for about a week, but slowly
> recovered. (That was back before I became an astigmatic
> hyperope and didn't need glasses.) I'm amazed that it didn't
> even occur to me to go to a doctor with that. Since you did,
> you're definitely ahead of the game.

It is interesting that good anecdotes are coming up.

When you were not glassed, you healed easily.

A glassed person never heals, or heals with great difficulty
and not completely.

You should enquire why you acquired imperfect sight. Why
this happened?

[Drfrank21]

veryredeye <anon@anon.com> wrote in message
news:<m2du9v0v1aoqkpss8rk7hni3bhc5ag549q@4ax.com>...
> Thanks frank, I will try and take a little vitamin c, and
> maybe some vitamin e as well, as this could reduce scar
> tissue. As you say it might help a bit, at least it gives me
> some comfort that things will be OK. It's Semana Santa
> holiday down here, everybody's left town, and I won't see my
> doctor before tuesday evening... She told me to stop taking
> the corticosteroid drops after seven days, ie tomorrow. I
> just hope pain and inflammation won't reappear after I stop
> the drops, with basically no doctors available (apart from
> ER of course). My eye is still quite inflammed and looks
> nasty on one side, with some patchy "goo" that wasn't there
> before. Is this the dreaded scar forming? It's not on the
> iris though. Vision is somewhat blurred at times but I can
> see OK with my eye glasses on. Streaming tears still pour
> worth now and again...
>
> Regards
>

I hope your doctor told you to "taper" (gradually reducing the
dosing) the steroid drops because of a possible adverse
reaction. I don't know how severe your anterior chamber
reaction is (traumatic iriris) but that might be contributing
to your discomfort. I don't know if your doctor put you on any
bland ointments and/or artificial tear agents (preservative
free) but these can be helpful.

I'm just surprised that you got such a reaction with the
grapefruit drops. They usually have opthalmologists on call at
most hospital ER's so if the eye seems to be getting worse
(appearance, pain) it would be best not to wait to see your
regular eye doctor. Also, most doctors have emergency numbers
as well so you could try that approach. Best of luck.

frank

[Gym Bob]

His mom!

"Rishi Giovanni Gatti" <g.gatti@agora.it> wrote in message
news:T6Qna.19662$DN.542220@tornado.fastwebnet.it...

> You should enquire why you acquired imperfect sight. Why
> this happened?

[Francine]

"Your level of idiocy is very hard."

He, he, your English is not very good. You mess up even with a
simple sentence like that. I can imagine how accurate your
Bates translation
is.

.........................

Rishi Giovanni Gatti <g.gatti@agora.it> wrote in message
news:<S6Qna.19661$DN.542215@tornado.fastwebnet.it>...
> Francine wrote:
>
> > You know...everyone has accidents, comes down with
> > diseases, and grows old.Those people with total lack of
> > empathy for others will wind up suffering all by
> > themselves. If they think they have friends....acting this
> > way, they should guess again.
>
> You can divide humanity in two parts, for speculating
> reasons.
>
> The one part is the idiotic one: they think they are born to
> grow old.
>
> The other part, that of the intelligent ones, simply
> understands that we are born to GROW UP!
>
> If you choose to grow up, then you have a great path of
> understanding ahead of you that you may travel with full
> authority and fulfillment. In this particular condition of
> the mind, no accident can affect you.
>
>
> Of course, when you talk about empathy and other beautiful
> words you simply show you are lacking much of them,
> otherwise if you are empathic you won't feel the need to
> talk about it, you simply are.
>
>
> Again I must confess that your level of idiocy is very hard.

[Veryredeye]

Thanks for the advice frank (and thanks to Francine too). My
doctor didn't mention tapering off the drops. Today the eye
started hurting (but not so much) again, so I just used one
drop and the pain went away. Also I didn't get any tear
agents, and I'm not sure if I can get any that would be 100%
safe without checking with my doctor (pharmacists don't have a
clue here). Or is there a very common product you would
recommend? Thanks again.

On 18 Apr 2003 07:02:05 -0700, drfrank21@hotmail.com
(drfrank21) wrote:
>
>I hope your doctor told you to "taper" (gradually reducing
>the dosing) the steroid drops because of a possible adverse
>reaction. I don't know how severe your anterior chamber
>reaction is (traumatic iriris) but that might be contributing
>to your discomfort. I don't know if your doctor put you on
>any bland ointments and/or artificial tear agents
>(preservative free) but these can be helpful.
>
>I'm just surprised that you got such a reaction with the
>grapefruit drops. They usually have opthalmologists on call
>at most hospital ER's so if the eye seems to be getting worse
>(appearance, pain) it would be best not to wait to see your
>regular eye doctor. Also, most doctors have emergency numbers
>as well so you could try that approach. Best of luck.
>
>frank

[Drfrank21]

veryredeye <anon@anon.com> wrote in message
news:<2jd3avsnvdotevoo1pkj3h0b77flp64u4q@4ax.com>...
> Thanks for the advice frank (and thanks to Francine too). My
> doctor didn't mention tapering off the drops. Today the eye
> started hurting (but not so much) again, so I just used one
> drop and the pain went away. Also I didn't get any tear
> agents, and I'm not sure if I can get any that would be 100%
> safe without checking with my doctor (pharmacists don't have
> a clue here). Or is there a very common product you would
> recommend? Thanks again.
>

Any "preservative" free artificial would be fine. In the U.S.
there are a number of good products fitting this.

frank