oxalic acid in spinach

[Agback]

G'day

A while ago I passed a renal calculus with extreme discomfort.
Analysis showed it to contain (among other things) oxalate. So
my doctor gave me a pamphlet that advised me to avoid eating
spinach, among other things.

Now, here in Australia people usually use the word 'spinach'
to refer to what in other countries is called 'silverbeet'.
Doctors are evidently not epicures, because the five I have
asked were not aware that the word 'spinach' is at all
ambiguous.

Up until now I have been avoiding both silverbeet and spinach.
But since New Year I have been trying to eat much more green
leafy vegetable (part of a program that has seen me shed
fifteen kilogrammes in thirteen weeks). In this
Escoffier-forsaken backwater the only green leafies that are
freely available are cabbage, lettuce, and silverbeet. I'm
getting sick of cabbage.

So, bearing in mind that (even though it looks a bit like
rhubarb) silverbeet is not spinach, what vegetables are high
in oxalic acid or its metabolic precursors?

Regards,

Agback

[Elmer]

In article <3e8ad5da@news.comindico.com.au>, "Agback"
<evill@gibberish.cyberone.com.au> wrote:

> A while ago I passed a renal calculus with extreme
> discomfort. Analysis showed it to contain (among other
> things) oxalate. So my doctor gave me a pamphlet that
> advised me to avoid eating spinach, among other things.

> Up until now I have been avoiding both silverbeet and
> spinach. But since New Year I have been trying to eat much
> more green leafy vegetable (part of a program that has seen
> me shed fifteen kilogrammes in thirteen weeks). In this
> Escoffier-forsaken backwater the only green leafies that are
> freely available are cabbage, lettuce, and silverbeet. I'm
> getting sick of cabbage.

> So..... what vegetables are high in oxalic acid or its
> metabolic precursors?

I have heard that parts of the rhubarb plant can become
"poisonous" because of a large oxalic acid concentration.
In addition I believe that the following are "rich
sources" of oxalic acid", but I cannot direct you to any
analytical results:

kesari dal, almonds, cashews, ripe chillies, cocoa,
coffee, tea, and many green leafy vegetables such as
amaranth, curry leaves, mustard leaves, green plantain,
swiss chard, beets, rhubarb, spinach as well as
mushrooms.

Elmer

[taurusrc]

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On Wed, 02 Apr 2003 12:21:53 GMT, "Agback"
<evill@gibberish.cyberone.com.au> wrote:

>G'day
>
>A while ago I passed a renal calculus with extreme
>discomfort. Analysis showed it to contain (among other
>things) oxalate. So my doctor gave me a pamphlet that advised
>me to avoid eating spinach, among other things.
>
>Now, here in Australia people usually use the word 'spinach'
>to refer to what in other countries is called 'silverbeet'.
>Doctors are evidently not epicures, because the five I have
>asked were not aware that the word 'spinach' is at all
>ambiguous.
>
>Up until now I have been avoiding both silverbeet and
>spinach. But since New Year I have been trying to eat much
>more green leafy vegetable (part of a program that has seen
>me shed fifteen kilogrammes in thirteen weeks). In this
>Escoffier-forsaken backwater the only green leafies that are
>freely available are cabbage, lettuce, and silverbeet. I'm
>getting sick of cabbage.
>
>So, bearing in mind that (even though it looks a bit like
>rhubarb) silverbeet is not spinach, what vegetables are high
>in oxalic acid or its metabolic precursors?
>
>Regards,
>
>
>Agback

[Brandon Be]

<taurusrc@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:n2nm8vc6m0cqdn2t87tor0li3p89mjp734@4ax.com...
> Lambsquarter Plant 300,000 ppm DUKE1992A

It's 30% oxalic acid?

[SeñOra Mom]

On Thu, 03 Apr 2003 05:03:12 GMT, "Brandon Berg"
<bberg@cesmail.net> wrote:

>
><taurusrc@pacbell.net> wrote in message
>news:n2nm8vc6m0cqdn2t87tor0li3p89mjp734@4ax.com...
>> Lambsquarter Plant 300,000 ppm DUKE1992A
>
>It's 30% oxalic acid?

It's a Crystalloid Triffid :)

Moosh:)

[Hua Kul]

"Agback" <evill@gibberish.cyberone.com.au> wrote in message
news:<3e8ad5da@news.comindico.com.au>...
> G'day
>
> A while ago I passed a renal calculus with extreme
> discomfort. Analysis showed it to contain (among other
> things) oxalate. So my doctor gave me a pamphlet that
> advised me to avoid eating spinach, among other things.
>
> <snip>

Hello Agback. One way to counteract the oxalic acid content of
foods is to eat calcium with the meal. This apparently binds
with the oxalic acid during digestion and the resulting
compound passes out of the body. Here are two references
indicating that benefit (the second was provided in an earlier
post by michaelprice).

1. "The overall data provide definitive evidence that
dietary calcium can reduce oxalate absorption and
excretion. Calcium carbonate and CCM were equally
effective in this regard and a minimum of 200 mg
elemental Ca maximized this effect in conjunction with an
oxalic acid intake of 198 mg."

2. "CONCLUSIONS. A high dietary calcium intake decreases the
risk of symptomatic kidney stones."

"Effect of dietary calcium on urinary oxalate excretion after
oxalate loads American Journal of Clinical Nutrition (USA),
1997, 65/5 (1453-1459)

An experimental model that allowed differentiation between
endogenously and exogenously derived urinary oxalate was used
to assess the effect of different forms and doses of ingested
calcium on oxalate absorption and excretion. In replication 1
(R-1), subjects participated in three oxalate load (OL) tests:
baseline (OL alone), calcium carbonate (OL with concomitant
calcium carbonate ingestion), and calcium citrate malate (CCM)
(OL with concomitant CCM ingestion). The calcium salts each
provided 300 mg elemental Ca. OLs consisted of 180 mg
unlabeled and 18 mg 1,2(13C2)oxalic acid. In R-2, subjects
participated in four OL tests: baseline (OL alone) and OLs
administered concomitantly with 100, 200, or 300 mg Ca. Timed
urine samples after the OL were collected at 2-h intervals for
the initial 6 h and samples were pooled into 9-h aliquots for
the remaining 18 h of the 24 h period. In R-1, 24-h mean
exogenous oxalate decreased (P < .05) after the OL from 36.2
mg (baseline) to 16.1 mg (after calcium carbonate) and to 14.3
mg (after CCM) whereas endogenous oxalate remained relatively
constant. Mean 24-h oxalate absorption decreased significantly
from that at the time of the baseline treatment (18.3%) after
both calcium carbonate (8.1%) and CCM (7.2%) treatments. In
R-2, mean 24-h oxalate absorption was significantly lower
after 200 (5.9%) and 300 (7.6%) mg Ca than after 100 mg Ca
(9.1%) and the OL alone
(3.3%). Concomitant meal ingestion significantly decreased
oxalate absorption in the absence of dietary calcium but
not in association with the 300-mg Ca treatment. The
overall data provide definitive evidence that dietary
calcium can reduce oxalate absorption and excretion.
Calcium carbonate and CCM were equally effective in this
regard and a minimum of 200 mg elemental Ca maximized this
effect in conjunction with an oxalic acid intake of 198
mg."
http://www.lef.org/prod_hp/abstracts/php-ab395c.html#137

N Engl J Med 1993 Mar 25;328(12):833-8

Comment in: N Engl J Med. 1993 Aug 12;329(7):508-9. N Engl J
Med. 1993 Aug 12;329(7):509. N Engl J Med. 1993 Mar
25;328(12):880-2.

A prospective study of dietary calcium and other nutrients and
the risk of symptomatic kidney stones.

Curhan GC, Willett WC, Rimm EB, Stampfer MJ.

Department of Epidemiology, Harvard School of Public Health,
Boston, MA 02115.

BACKGROUND. A high dietary calcium intake is strongly
suspected of increasing the risk of kidney stones. However, a
high intake of calcium can reduce the urinary excretion of
oxalate, which is thought to lower the risk. The concept that
a higher dietary calcium intake increases the risk of kidney
stones therefore requires examination. METHODS. We conducted a
prospective study of the relation between dietary calcium
intake and the risk of symptomatic kidney stones in a cohort
of 45,619 men, 40 to 75 years of age, who had no history of
kidney stones. Dietary calcium was measured by means of a
semiquantitative food-frequency questionnaire in 1986. During
four years of follow-up, 505 cases of kidney stones were
documented. RESULTS. After adjustment for age, dietary calcium
intake was inversely associated with the risk of kidney
stones; the relative risk of kidney stones for men in the
highest as compared with the lowest quintile group for calcium
intake was 0.56 (95 percent confidence interval, 0.43 to 0.73;
P for trend, < 0.001). This reduction in risk decreased only
slightly (relative risk, 0.66; 95 percent confidence interval,
0.49 to 0.90) after further adjustment for other potential
risk factors, including alcohol consumption and dietary intake
of animal protein, potassium, and fluid. Intake of animal
protein was directly associated with the risk of stone
formation (relative risk for men with the highest intake as
compared with those with the lowest,
4.33; 95 percent confidence interval, 1.00 to 1.77); potassium
intake (relative risk, 0.49; 95 percent confidence interval,
0.35 to 0.68) and fluid intake (relative risk, 0.71; 95
percent confidence interval, .52 to .97) were inversely
related to the risk of kidney stones. CONCLUSIONS. A high
dietary calcium intake decreases the risk of symptomatic
kidney stones.

PMID: 8441427

--Hua Kul

[Pbeyer]

Agback wrote:

> G'day
>
> A while ago I passed a renal calculus with extreme
> discomfort. Analysis showed it to contain (among other
> things) oxalate. So my doctor gave me a pamphlet that
> advised me to avoid eating spinach, among other things.
>
> Now, here in Australia people usually use the word 'spinach'
> to refer to what in other countries is called 'silverbeet'.
> Doctors are evidently not epicures, because the five I have
> asked were not aware that the word 'spinach' is at all
> ambiguous.
>
> Up until now I have been avoiding both silverbeet and
> spinach. But since New Year I have been trying to eat much
> more green leafy vegetable (part of a program that has seen
> me shed fifteen kilogrammes in thirteen weeks). In this
> Escoffier-forsaken backwater the only green leafies that are
> freely available are cabbage, lettuce, and silverbeet. I'm
> getting sick of cabbage.
>
> So, bearing in mind that (even though it looks a bit like
> rhubarb) silverbeet is not spinach, what vegetables are high
> in oxalic acid or its metabolic precursors?
>
> Regards,
>
> Agback

There used to be a small book available from University of
California at San Diego-- The Low Oxalate book by Denise Ney,
RD at al. 225 Dickinson St. San Diego, Calif. 92103.

It had the oxalate content of many common foods and further
categorized them into high, moderate and low oxalate content
to make it more convenient. Dunno if its still in print but it
was helpful to many folks. Pete

[taurusrc]

U.C. San Diego bookstore.

Call 1800 520 7323 ask for customer service. is $12.93
including shipping and handling.

Title:

The Oxalate Content of selected foods. $12.95

The book contains recipes.

Bookstore - ask for customer service.

On Fri, 04 Apr 2003 08:55:44 -0600, pbeyer
<pbeyer@kumc.edu> wrote:

>There used to be a small book available from University of
>California at San Diego-- The Low Oxalate book by Denise Ney,
>RD at al. 225 Dickinson St. San Diego, Calif. 92103.
>
>It had the oxalate content of many common foods and further
>categorized them into high, moderate and low oxalate content
>to make it more convenient. Dunno if its still in print but
>it was helpful to many folks. Pete

[Tim Tyler]

Agback <evill@gibberish.cyberone.com.au> wrote:

: So, bearing in mind that (even though it looks a bit like
: rhubarb) silverbeet is not spinach, what vegetables are high
: in oxalic acid or its metabolic precursors?

There's a list at:
http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/Data/Other/oxalic.html
--
__________
|im |yler http://timtyler.org/ tim@tt1.org

[Ericam630]

Doctors don't know squat about nutrition. Try collard greens -
they're lower in oxaclic acid than most of their counterparts.
And Oxalic acid shurts the absorbtion of calcium - and calcium
is the most impt mineral for your health.

Erica

[Katra]

Ericam630 wrote:
>
> Doctors don't know squat about nutrition. Try collard
> greens - they're lower in oxaclic acid than most of
> their counterparts. And Oxalic acid shurts the
> absorbtion of calcium - and calcium is the most impt
> mineral for your health.
>
> Erica

Except Collard greens are inedible... :-P

I'll take my magnesium, and drink plenty of water. That
way I can eat all the spinach I want and not worry about
kidney stones!

K.

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funny, I get away with bloody dietary murder if I take my mag
oxide everyday!

"Katra" <Katra@centurytel.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> Ericam630 wrote:
> >
> > Doctors don't know squat about nutrition. Try collard
> > greens - they're
lower
> > in oxaclic acid than most of their counterparts. And
> > Oxalic acid
shurts the
> > absorbtion of calcium - and calcium is the most impt
> > mineral for your
health.
> >
> > Erica
>
>
> Except Collard greens are inedible... :-P
>
> I'll take my magnesium, and drink plenty of water. That way
> I can eat all the spinach I want and not worry about kidney
stones!
>
> K.
>
> --
> >^,,^< Cats-haven Hobby Farm >^,,^<
> >Katra@centurytel.net >^,,^<
>
> Breast Implants are the Stupidest idea ever. If I wanted
> to fondle $10,000.oo worth of Silicon, I'd buy a new
> computer! --Anon.
>
> Custom handcrafts, Sterling silver beaded jewelry http-
> ://cgi3.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&-
> userid=katra

[Tim Tyler]

Katra <Katra@centurytel.net> wrote:
: Ericam630 wrote:

:> Doctors don't know squat about nutrition. Try collard
:> greens - they're lower in oxaclic acid than most of their
:> counterparts. And Oxalic acid shurts the absorbtion of
:> calcium - and calcium is the most impt mineral for your
:> health.

: Except Collard greens are inedible... :-P

You mean "collard greens are delicious" ;-)
--
__________
|im |yler http://timtyler.org/ tim@tt1.org

[Tim]

I eat a good sized spinach salad each day. I also take Calmax
every day (a calcium/magnesium supplement).

Am I doing my body good?

Thank you for your time Tim A 31 year old male, who is
somewhat of a nutrition neophyte

"Tim Tyler" <tim@tt1.org> wrote in message
news:HDFzzD.77w@bath.ac.uk...
> Katra <Katra@centurytel.net> wrote:
> : Ericam630 wrote:
>
> :> Doctors don't know squat about nutrition. Try collard
> :> greens - they're lower in oxaclic acid than most of their
> :> counterparts. And Oxalic acid shurts the absorbtion of
> :> calcium - and calcium is the most impt mineral for your
> :> health.
>
> : Except Collard greens are inedible... :-P
>
> You mean "collard greens are delicious" ;-)
> --
> __________
> |im |yler http://timtyler.org/ tim@tt1.org

[Tim Tyler]

Tim <tim@nospam.com> wrote:

: I eat a good sized spinach salad each day. I also take
: Calmax every day (a calcium/magnesium supplement).

: Am I doing my body good?

Compared to not eating any spinach or salad? Probably yes.

Compared to eating spinach, rocket, collards, pak choi,
mizuna, corn salad, kale, lettuce, sunflower, turnip greens,
rape, buckwheat greens, and broccoli in rotation? Probably no.
--
__________
|im |yler http://timtyler.org/ tim@tt1.org

[Gym Bob]

Calcium? Who ever said that other than the dairy
marketting boards?

> > Katra <Katra@centurytel.net> wrote:
> > : Ericam630 wrote:
> >
> > :> Doctors don't know squat about nutrition. Try collard
> > :> greens - they're lower in oxaclic acid than most of
> > :> their counterparts. And Oxalic acid shurts the
> > :> absorbtion of calcium - and calcium is the most impt
> > :> mineral for your health.

[Tim]

> oxalic acid

Is that why I get this acidic dryness in my mouth, around my
teeth, after eating lots of spinach?

Tim

[Moosh:)]

On Sat, 17 May 2003 00:14:16 -0600, "Tim"
<tim@nospam.com> wrote:

>> oxalic acid
>
>Is that why I get this acidic dryness in my mouth, around my
>teeth, after eating lots of spinach?
>
>Tim
>

What is acidic dryness? I guess this could be due to any of
the thousands of substances in spinach. Don't eat much of it,
and eat it with lots of other wholefoods. Safest approach.

Moosh:)

[Moosh:)]

On Thu, 15 May 2003 01:12:30 -0600, "Tim"
<tim@nospam.com> wrote:

>I eat a good sized spinach salad each day. I also take Calmax
>every day (a calcium/magnesium supplement).
>
>Am I doing my body good?
>
>Thank you for your time Tim A 31 year old male, who is
>somewhat of a nutrition neophyte

I hope you eat a lot more than this spinach salad. I little
spinach is a fine food in amongst many other wholefoods. Why
do you think you need the supplement? Have you a deficiency?

Moosh:)

[Alf Christ]

On Sat, 17 May 2003 06:40:28 GMT, "Moosh:)"
<woo@woo.woo> wrote:

>I hope you eat a lot more than this spinach salad. I little
>spinach is a fine food in amongst many other wholefoods. Why
>do you think you need the supplement? Have you a deficiency?

Spinach is rich in oxalate that bind calcium, so I think
taking calcium supplement is a bright idea if the person only
eat spinach

[Tim Tyler]

Tim <tim@nospam.com> wrote:

[oxalic acid]

: Is that why I get this acidic dryness in my mouth, around my
: teeth, after eating lots of spinach?

The acids in green vegetables - such as spinach - strip the
mucous lining from your mouth and start eating into your gums
and the walls of your mouth.

Chard, sunflower greens - and some other ones produce
similar effects.

Oxalic acid will be a prominent culprit.

I have the impression that sprinkling oil on your salads helps
somewhat - perhaps by providing a layer of oil in the mouth.

The action of chewing localises the problem around your
back teeth.

Finely chopping the spinach may reduce the time you need to
spend chewing it - and thus may reduce the problem somewhat.

If it produces oral problems, take it as a sign that you're
repeatedly chewing on too many raw greens at one time.
--
__________
|im |yler http://timtyler.org/ tim@tt1.org

[Tim]

"Moosh:)" <woo@woo.woo> wrote in message
news:ofmbcvc5q00io67qi8t4gngh3s6ojsuj46@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 15 May 2003 01:12:30 -0600, "Tim"
> <tim@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> >I eat a good sized spinach salad each day. I also take
> >Calmax every day
(a
> >calcium/magnesium supplement).
> >
> >Am I doing my body good?
> >
> >Thank you for your time Tim A 31 year old male, who is
> >somewhat of a nutrition neophyte
>
> I hope you eat a lot more than this spinach salad. I little
> spinach is a fine food in amongst many other wholefoods.

After reading this thread, I will be balancing my greens
much more.

> Why do you think you need the supplement? Have you a
> deficiency?

Not that I know of. I do get palpitations, which a good
calcium/magnesium supplement should help. But mainly I take it
because its supposed to be really good for you. No?

>
> Moosh:)

Tim

[Moosh:)]

On Sat, 17 May 2003 12:22:46 +0200, Alf Christophersen
<alf.christophersen@basalmed.uio.no> wrote:

>On Sat, 17 May 2003 06:40:28 GMT, "Moosh:)"
><woo@woo.woo> wrote:
>
>>I hope you eat a lot more than this spinach salad. I little
>>spinach is a fine food in amongst many other wholefoods. Why
>>do you think you need the supplement? Have you a deficiency?
>
>Spinach is rich in oxalate that bind calcium, so I think
>taking calcium supplement is a bright idea if the person only
>eat spinach

I'm sure you are right, Alf, I was hoping against hope that
that was not all he ate :)

Moosh:)

[Moosh:)]

On Sat, 17 May 2003 05:01:16 -0600, "Tim"
<tim@nospam.com> wrote:

>
>"Moosh:)" <woo@woo.woo> wrote in message
>news:ofmbcvc5q00io67qi8t4gngh3s6ojsuj46@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 15 May 2003 01:12:30 -0600, "Tim"
>> <tim@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I eat a good sized spinach salad each day. I also take
>> >Calmax every day
>(a
>> >calcium/magnesium supplement).
>> >
>> >Am I doing my body good?
>> >
>> >Thank you for your time Tim A 31 year old male, who is
>> >somewhat of a nutrition neophyte
>>
>> I hope you eat a lot more than this spinach salad. I little
>> spinach is a fine food in amongst many other wholefoods.
>
>After reading this thread, I will be balancing my greens
>much more.

Just eat a varied diet from all the food groups. Try to eat
wholefoods as much as possible.

>> Why do you think you need the supplement? Have you a
>> deficiency?
>
>Not that I know of. I do get palpitations, which a good
>calcium/magnesium supplement should help. But mainly I take
>it because its supposed to be really good for you. No?

FOOD is good for you. If your food supply is deficient or you
have an absorption anomaly, you can benefit from some
judicious suplementation.

If you get palpitations, see your doctor. It could be
anything.

Moosh:)

[Katra]

Tim wrote:
>
> "Moosh:)" <woo@woo.woo> wrote in message
> news:ofmbcvc5q00io67qi8t4gngh3s6ojsuj46@4ax.com...
> > On Thu, 15 May 2003 01:12:30 -0600, "Tim" <tim@nospam.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >I eat a good sized spinach salad each day. I also take
> > >Calmax every day
> (a
> > >calcium/magnesium supplement).
> > >
> > >Am I doing my body good?
> > >
> > >Thank you for your time Tim A 31 year old male, who is
> > >somewhat of a nutrition neophyte
> >
> > I hope you eat a lot more than this spinach salad. I
> > little spinach is a fine food in amongst many other
> > wholefoods.
>
> After reading this thread, I will be balancing my greens
> much more.
>
> > Why do you think you need the supplement? Have you a
> > deficiency?
>
> Not that I know of. I do get palpitations, which a good
> calcium/magnesium supplement should help. But mainly I take
> it because its supposed to be really good for you. No?
>
> >
> > Moosh:)
>
> Tim

If the palpitations bother you, try giving up caffeine... That
worked for me anyway. ;-)

K.

[Ob-1]

Tim wrote:

> > oxalic acid
>
> Is that why I get this acidic dryness in my mouth, around my
> teeth, after eating lots of spinach?
>
> Tim

And the back of you're teeth feel like sandpaper. ;-) Yes.

K.

--
Worlds’ largest producer of Lin Xhi Synergisms

[Moosh:)]

On Sat, 17 May 2003 05:01:16 -0600, "Tim"
<tim@nospam.com> wrote:

>
>"Moosh:)" <woo@woo.woo> wrote in message
>news:ofmbcvc5q00io67qi8t4gngh3s6ojsuj46@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 15 May 2003 01:12:30 -0600, "Tim"
>> <tim@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I eat a good sized spinach salad each day. I also take
>> >Calmax every day
>(a
>> >calcium/magnesium supplement).
>> >
>> >Am I doing my body good?
>> >
>> >Thank you for your time Tim A 31 year old male, who is
>> >somewhat of a nutrition neophyte
>>
>> I hope you eat a lot more than this spinach salad. I little
>> spinach is a fine food in amongst many other wholefoods.
>
>After reading this thread, I will be balancing my greens
>much more.

Just eat a varied diet from all the food groups. Try to eat
wholefoods as much as possible.

>> Why do you think you need the supplement? Have you a
>> deficiency?
>
>Not that I know of. I do get palpitations, which a good
>calcium/magnesium supplement should help. But mainly I take
>it because its supposed to be really good for you. No?

FOOD is good for you. If your food supply is deficient or you
have an absorption anomaly, you can benefit from some
judicious suplementation.

If you get palpitations, see your doctor. It could be
anything.

"Now, what have I got?" Frank Spencer in Some Mothers Do Have
'em.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
GOHDE <"My genes do *not* influence my weight!"> GOHDE

Moosh:)

[Moosh:)]

On Sat, 17 May 2003 12:22:46 +0200, Alf Christophersen
<alf.christophersen@basalmed.uio.no> wrote:

>On Sat, 17 May 2003 06:40:28 GMT, "Moosh:)"
><woo@woo.woo> wrote:
>
>>I hope you eat a lot more than this spinach salad. I little
>>spinach is a fine food in amongst many other wholefoods. Why
>>do you think you need the supplement? Have you a deficiency?
>
>Spinach is rich in oxalate that bind calcium, so I think
>taking calcium supplement is a bright idea if the person only
>eat spinach

I'm sure you are right, Alf, I was hoping against hope that
that was not all he ate :)

"Now, what have I got?" Frank Spencer in Some Mothers Do Have
'em.
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Moosh:)