Best way to learn " Boxing Skills " ?

[Mike]

Please give me your advice on this question.

I'm interested in learning " boxing skills. "

When I say " Boxing Skills " I don't mean becoming a boxer.
Nor do I intend to do any sparring at this point.

I want to learn boxing skills as a way to increase my fitness
level, develop some basic self-defense ability, and have an
outlet to channel built-up aggressions from the everyday
pressures of life.

These are the things I want to learn.

1. How to throw all the different punches ( jab, hook,
uppercut )
2. The Boxer's stance, positioning of arms, posture.
3. How to hit the heavy bag, speed bag, etc.
4. Some basic footwork
5. Boxing training methods

Simply stated, I want to learn the mechanics of boxing
training so that I can train like a boxer does. I plan on
having 3 boxing training sessions a week or so. But I don't
just want to buy a heavy bag and throw punches at it. I want
to learn proper boxing technique and THEN begin boxing-type
training by having 3 sessions a week or so where I do several
rounds on the heavy bag, speed bag, jump rope, shadowbox, etc.

Can the boxers here tell me what the BEST way is for me to
proceed towards my goal ?

Can I learn what I need out of a boxing book ?

Or should I find a local boxer and pay him to give me lessons
on the things I mentioned above ?

Or should I try to find a boxing gym and see if someone there
can work with me for a fee ?

I would like to go to a boxing gym and learn these things.

But would they allow me to work out there since I have no
desire to spar or to become a competitive boxer ?

If they do have that attitude, I can understand since it
wouldn't be fair for me to take up a space that could be used
by someone who is actually a boxer who trains for matches.

So what would my best option be in learning how to develop
boxing skills ?

I appreciate all advice and insight on this. Thank you.

[Randy Shra]

"Mike" <MrStrong65@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7cfd37d2.0303120816.674abd1b@posting.google.com...
> Please give me your advice on this question.
>
> I'm interested in learning " boxing skills. "
>
> When I say " Boxing Skills " I don't mean becoming a boxer.
> Nor do I intend to do any sparring at this point.
>
> I want to learn boxing skills as a way to increase my
> fitness level, develop some basic self-defense ability, and
> have an outlet to channel built-up aggressions from the
> everyday pressures of life.
>
> These are the things I want to learn.
>
> 1. How to throw all the different punches ( jab, hook,
> uppercut )
> 2. The Boxer's stance, positioning of arms, posture.
> 3. How to hit the heavy bag, speed bag, etc.
> 4. Some basic footwork
> 5. Boxing training methods
>
> Simply stated, I want to learn the mechanics of boxing
> training so that I can train like a boxer does. I plan on
> having 3 boxing training sessions a week or so. But I don't
> just want to buy a heavy bag and throw punches at it. I want
> to learn proper boxing technique and THEN begin boxing-type
> training by having 3 sessions a week or so where I do
> several rounds on the heavy bag, speed bag, jump rope,
> shadowbox, etc.
>
> Can the boxers here tell me what the BEST way is for me to
> proceed towards my goal ?
>
> Can I learn what I need out of a boxing book ?
>
> Or should I find a local boxer and pay him to give me
> lessons on the things I mentioned above ?
>
> Or should I try to find a boxing gym and see if someone
> there can work with me for a fee ?
>
> I would like to go to a boxing gym and learn these things.
>
> But would they allow me to work out there since I have no
> desire to spar or to become a competitive boxer ?
>
> If they do have that attitude, I can understand since it
> wouldn't be fair for me to take up a space that could be
> used by someone who is actually a boxer who trains for
> matches.
>
> So what would my best option be in learning how to develop
> boxing skills ?
>
> I appreciate all advice and insight on this. Thank you.

I suspect that if you go to a "real" boxing gym and say you
want to learn technique but not spar, they'll call you a big
wuss. A Boxercise-type class might be a better option.

Randy

[Lu]

"Mike" <MrStrong65@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7cfd37d2.0303120816.674abd1b@posting.google.com...
> Please give me your advice on this question.

(snip)

> So what would my best option be in learning how to develop
> boxing skills ?

Start running four times a week, work up to four or five miles
each time and then build up your speed. Learn to jump rope
like a mad man. Then get two pair of 16 oz. gloves and start
boxing with other people. If after all of this you are unable
to build up your confidence in handling yourself then boxing
is not for you.

>
> I appreciate all advice and insight on this. Thank you.

[Keith Hobm]

In article <7cfd37d2.0303120816.674abd1b@posting.google.com>,
MrStrong65@hotmail.com (Mike) wrote:

> Please give me your advice on this question.
>
> I'm interested in learning " boxing skills. "
>
> When I say " Boxing Skills " I don't mean becoming a boxer.
> Nor do I intend to do any sparring at this point.
>
> I want to learn boxing skills as a way to increase my
> fitness level, develop some basic self-defense ability, and
> have an outlet to channel built-up aggressions from the
> everyday pressures of life.
>
> These are the things I want to learn.
>
> 1. How to throw all the different punches ( jab, hook,
> uppercut )
> 2. The Boxer's stance, positioning of arms, posture.
> 3. How to hit the heavy bag, speed bag, etc.
> 4. Some basic footwork
> 5. Boxing training methods
>
> Simply stated, I want to learn the mechanics of boxing
> training so that I can train like a boxer does. I plan on
> having 3 boxing training sessions a week or so. But I don't
> just want to buy a heavy bag and throw punches at it. I want
> to learn proper boxing technique and THEN begin boxing-type
> training by having 3 sessions a week or so where I do
> several rounds on the heavy bag, speed bag, jump rope,
> shadowbox, etc.
>
> Can the boxers here tell me what the BEST way is for me to
> proceed towards my goal ?
>
> Can I learn what I need out of a boxing book ?
>
> Or should I find a local boxer and pay him to give me
> lessons on the things I mentioned above ?
>
> Or should I try to find a boxing gym and see if someone
> there can work with me for a fee ?
>
> I would like to go to a boxing gym and learn these things.
>
> But would they allow me to work out there since I have no
> desire to spar or to become a competitive boxer ?

I boxed as a kid. You can't learn to box without sparring.
Simple as that. You can learn to throw a punch, but you can't
learn to box. Recognition and countering are crucial skills
that have to be developed through sparring. As well you learn
to slip and absorb a punch through sparring. I saw it time and
time again in karate where they would develop great skills,
but not learn to take it and then someone would land something
and you'd watch the person fall apart.

If you want to learn to throw punches and various combinations
go to a boxing gym. However, you aren't going to get much
respect there if you don't have the brass to spar.

In terms of self-defense boxing is of limited value. If the
person who you are facing has any grappling skills at all
you'll end up on the floor. If you are talking about winning a
few bar fights than you are probably on the right track. OTOH,
this is also fraught with danger. The other person may have a
weapon or wait for you outside with their vehicle or whatever
and even though you won the brawl you lose the war.

--
Keith Hobman

--- email address above is a non-monitored spam sink.

[Aj]

In article <7cfd37d2.0303120816.674abd1b@posting.google.com>,
Mike wrote: <snip I want to learn to box but am askeered of
getting hit>

1. Get a boxing trainer and work up to actually boxing.

or

2. Go take some gym-bunny boxercise class.

or

3. You could start learning the basics with a real trainer and
then jump ship when the sparring actually starts.

--
-aj

[Chris Moor]

In article <7cfd37d2.0303120816.674abd1b@posting.google.com>,
MrStrong65 @hotmail.com says...
> Please give me your advice on this question.
>
> I'm interested in learning " boxing skills. "
>
> When I say " Boxing Skills " I don't mean becoming a boxer.
> Nor do I intend to do any sparring at this point.
>
> I want to learn boxing skills as a way to increase my
> fitness level, develop some basic self-defense ability, and
> have an outlet to channel built-up aggressions from the
> everyday pressures of life.
>
> These are the things I want to learn.
>
> 1. How to throw all the different punches ( jab, hook,
> uppercut )
> 2. The Boxer's stance, positioning of arms, posture.
> 3. How to hit the heavy bag, speed bag, etc.
> 4. Some basic footwork
> 5. Boxing training methods
>
> Simply stated, I want to learn the mechanics of boxing
> training so that I can train like a boxer does. I plan on
> having 3 boxing training sessions a week or so. But I don't
> just want to buy a heavy bag and throw punches at it. I want
> to learn proper boxing technique and THEN begin boxing-type
> training by having 3 sessions a week or so where I do
> several rounds on the heavy bag, speed bag, jump rope,
> shadowbox, etc.
>
> Can the boxers here tell me what the BEST way is for me to
> proceed towards my goal ?
>
> Can I learn what I need out of a boxing book ?
>
> Or should I find a local boxer and pay him to give me
> lessons on the things I mentioned above ?
>
> Or should I try to find a boxing gym and see if someone
> there can work with me for a fee ?
>
> I would like to go to a boxing gym and learn these things.
>
> But would they allow me to work out there since I have no
> desire to spar or to become a competitive boxer ?
>
> If they do have that attitude, I can understand since it
> wouldn't be fair for me to take up a space that could be
> used by someone who is actually a boxer who trains for
> matches.
>
> So what would my best option be in learning how to develop
> boxing skills ?
>
> I appreciate all advice and insight on this. Thank you.
>

Many boxing gyms have "boxer's workout" classes for people who
want to go through the motions of the physical conditioning
but don't want to spar. It doesn't hurt to check out the local
gyms & ask. If you get attitude, it's probably not a place
you'd want to join even if you were planning on fighting
competitively.

I was at the first boxing gym I ever joined for only six
months (the owner had a stroke & had to close), but the owner
was so patient with newbies that I became hooked. At first, I
didn't think I wanted to spar, either, but I eventually got to
the point where I wanted to fight competitively. Alas, being
over 35 confined me to the master's class, on the rare
occasions that there was one.

Remember, when sparring the hard part isn't getting hit --
your adrenaline level is usually so high that you don't even
feel it until later. The hard part is to keep moving for the
entire round without collapsing -- three minutes seems like
an eternity!

Good luck...

Chris

--
CHRISTOPHER J. MOOREHEAD Toronto, Canada
cmoorehead@attglobal.net

"As matter of fact, an important class divide falls between
those who feel veneration before the term "executive", and
those who feel like throwing up." ~ Paul Fussell, "Class"

[Determined]

"Mike" <MrStrong65@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7cfd37d2.0303120816.674abd1b@posting.google.com...
> Please give me your advice on this question.
>
> I'm interested in learning " boxing skills. "

You could start dating Tonya Harding...

[Robert Dor]

On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:33:59 -0600, khobman@sasktel.net (Keith
Hobman) wrote:

<snip>
>In terms of self-defense boxing is of limited value. If the
>person who you are facing has any grappling skills at all
>you'll end up on the floor. If you are talking about winning
>a few bar fights than you are probably on the right track.
>OTOH, this is also fraught with danger. The other person may
>have a weapon or wait for you outside with their vehicle or
>whatever and even though you won the brawl you lose the war.

Peripherally related: Every few years in the states I run
across news stories on the lines of "Two men engaged in a bar
brawl. The loser fled, the winner remained at the bar. The
loser then returned with a gun and demonstrated surprisingly
good marksmanship for a drunk."

I can't understand why the message "If you're involved in
a bar fight, win or lose, leave" hasn't yet gotten through
to people.

Well, really I can understand it. I just find it annoying.

[Thunder9 N]

On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:25:07 GMT, "Randy Shrader"
<randyshrader@shaw.ca> wrote:

>
>"Mike" <MrStrong65@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:7cfd37d2.0303120816.674abd1b@posting.google.com...
>> Please give me your advice on this question.
>>
>> I'm interested in learning " boxing skills. "
>>
>> When I say " Boxing Skills " I don't mean becoming a boxer.
>> Nor do I intend to do any sparring at this point.

[snip]

>> I would like to go to a boxing gym and learn these things.
>>
>> But would they allow me to work out there since I have no
>> desire to spar or to become a competitive boxer ?
>>
>> If they do have that attitude, I can understand since it
>> wouldn't be fair for me to take up a space that could be
>> used by someone who is actually a boxer who trains for
>> matches.
>>
>> So what would my best option be in learning how to develop
>> boxing skills ?
>>
>> I appreciate all advice and insight on this. Thank you.
>
>I suspect that if you go to a "real" boxing gym and say you
>want to learn technique but not spar, they'll call you a big
>wuss. A Boxercise-type class might be a better option.
>

I suspect that money will talk, regardless of your goals. If
you go to a weight lifting gym and only work out on the
machines, the strength trainers might think you're a wuss, but
who gives a flying f?

Besides, I suspect the people training there would be more
interested and focused on their own training than worrying
about what other people are doing (or not doing).

You only have one life. It sounds like you got the money and
want to hook up with a real trainer. Go do it, ya big wuss!

Thunder9

NOSPAM is antispam

[Ghost Of L]

Randy Shrader wrote:
>
> "Mike" <MrStrong65@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7cfd37d2.0303120816.674abd1b@posting.google.com...
> > Please give me your advice on this question.
> >
> > I'm interested in learning " boxing skills. "
> >
> > When I say " Boxing Skills " I don't mean becoming a
> > boxer. Nor do I intend to do any sparring at this point.
> >
> > I want to learn boxing skills as a way to increase my
> > fitness level, develop some basic self-defense ability,
> > and have an outlet to channel built-up aggressions from
> > the everyday pressures of life.
> >
> > These are the things I want to learn.
> >
> > 1. How to throw all the different punches ( jab, hook,
> > uppercut )
> > 2. The Boxer's stance, positioning of arms, posture.
> > 3. How to hit the heavy bag, speed bag, etc.
> > 4. Some basic footwork
> > 5. Boxing training methods
> >
> > Simply stated, I want to learn the mechanics of boxing
> > training so that I can train like a boxer does. I plan on
> > having 3 boxing training sessions a week or so. But I
> > don't just want to buy a heavy bag and throw punches at
> > it. I want to learn proper boxing technique and THEN begin
> > boxing-type training by having 3 sessions a week or so
> > where I do several rounds on the heavy bag, speed bag,
> > jump rope, shadowbox, etc.
> >
> > Can the boxers here tell me what the BEST way is for me to
> > proceed towards my goal ?
> >
> > Can I learn what I need out of a boxing book ?
> >
> > Or should I find a local boxer and pay him to give me
> > lessons on the things I mentioned above ?
> >
> > Or should I try to find a boxing gym and see if someone
> > there can work with me for a fee ?
> >
> > I would like to go to a boxing gym and learn these things.
> >
> > But would they allow me to work out there since I have no
> > desire to spar or to become a competitive boxer ?
> >
> > If they do have that attitude, I can understand since it
> > wouldn't be fair for me to take up a space that could be
> > used by someone who is actually a boxer who trains for
> > matches.
> >
> > So what would my best option be in learning how to develop
> > boxing skills ?
> >
> > I appreciate all advice and insight on this. Thank you.
>
> I suspect that if you go to a "real" boxing gym and say you
> want to learn technique but not spar, they'll call you a big
> wuss. A Boxercise-type class might be a better option.

And Boxercise is somehow LESS wussy...

Lyle's ghost

[Jack]

Finally, a question I can answer...

Jump ship?? Nah...once the guy sees that he's developed the
skills to handle himself in the ring, he will jump right in.
It happens by osmosis(?). You work out at the gym, freak out
for the first few months until you get comfortable there, see
that most people don't get their ass kicked, then decide to
give it a shot in the ring.

Trust me, no one really cares what you are doing, how you look
doing it, etc. Training takes too much concentration. You get
a smart trainer who knows when you are ready, then get in
there. Your trainer is not going to let you get a beating, (or
give one). Take a deep breath, and spar. It will do wonders
for your self-confidence. Its hard, but well worth the effort.
BTW, getting punched in a ring is nothing personal. That's
what you are there for.

Do the rest of the world a favor. Let's outlaw boxercise, and
those lame kickercise classes too.

"aj" <ajslaterNOSPAM@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:1047487801.298070@oak...
> In article
> <7cfd37d2.0303120816.674abd1b@posting.google.com>, Mike
> wrote: <snip I want to learn to box but am askeered of
> getting hit>
>
>
> 1. Get a boxing trainer and work up to actually boxing.
>
> or
>
> 2. Go take some gym-bunny boxercise class.
>
> or
>
>3. You could start learning the basics with a real trainer
> and
> then jump ship when the sparring actually starts.
>
> --
> -aj

[Lordy]

khobman@sasktel.net (Keith Hobman) wrote in
news:khobman-1203031033590001@
192.168..2:

> If you are talking about winning a few bar fights than you
> are probably on the right track.

Agreed with snipped bits + you are very likely to break
something in your hand.

or get kicked in the balls.

Lordy

[Crystal]

Take a few classes and maybe rent a video.

[Pierre Hon]

Chris Moorehead <cmoorehead@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:<MPG.18d950c9254a28589897b4@News.CIS.DFN.DE>...

> Remember, when sparring the hard part isn't getting hit --
> your adrenaline level is usually so high that you don't even
> feel it until later. The hard part is to keep moving for the
> entire round without collapsing -- three minutes seems like
> an eternity!

Yeah, when I started sparring with sticks I was worried that
the rattan would hurt. Turns out it doesn't hurt so much. You
get marks and stuff, and wonder where they came from. You feel
an impact, but mostly it doesn't register as pain.

The downside is that when it *does* hurt, it's serious.

Whole lotta fun though.

I concur that a round seems like forever, and we only go
2 minutes.

Pierre

[Lee Michae]

"Robert Dorf" <robertdorf@japan.com> wrote in message
news:ajou6vo1midc0rias3r0r7od3t08h1sr1e@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:33:59 -0600, khobman@sasktel.net
> (Keith Hobman) wrote:
>
> <snip>
> >In terms of self-defense boxing is of limited value. If the
> >person who
you
> >are facing has any grappling skills at all you'll end up
> >on the floor. If you are talking about winning a few bar
> >fights than you are probably on the right track. OTOH,
> >this is also fraught with danger. The other person may
> >have a weapon or wait for you outside with their vehicle
> >or whatever and even though you won the brawl you lose
> >the war.
>
> Peripherally related: Every few years in the states I run
> across news stories on the lines of "Two men engaged in a
> bar brawl. The loser fled, the winner remained at the bar.
> The loser then returned with a gun and demonstrated
> surprisingly good marksmanship for a drunk."
>
> I can't understand why the message "If you're involved in
> a bar fight, win or lose, leave" hasn't yet gotten through
> to people.
>
> Well, really I can understand it. I just find it annoying.
>
>
The exact same thing occurs with good samaritans. If you
perform an unselfish act of bravery, you can die from it.
Either call in lots of uniformed reinforcementss or get out of
town. It may be unhealthy for you otherwise.

[John Cavan]

Robert Dorf <robertdorf@japan.com> wrote in message
news:ajou6vo1midc0rias3r0r7od3t08h1sr1e@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:33:59 -0600, khobman@sasktel.net
> (Keith Hobman) wrote:
>
> <snip>
> >In terms of self-defense boxing is of limited value. If the
> >person who
you
> >are facing has any grappling skills at all you'll end up
> >on the floor. If you are talking about winning a few bar
> >fights than you are probably on the right track. OTOH,
> >this is also fraught with danger. The other person may
> >have a weapon or wait for you outside with their vehicle
> >or whatever and even though you won the brawl you lose
> >the war.
>
> Peripherally related: Every few years in the states I run
> across news stories on the lines of "Two men engaged in a
> bar brawl. The loser fled, the winner remained at the bar.
> The loser then returned with a gun and demonstrated
> surprisingly good marksmanship for a drunk."
>
> I can't understand why the message "If you're involved in
> a bar fight, win or lose, leave" hasn't yet gotten through
> to people.
>
> Well, really I can understand it. I just find it annoying.
>

What about bouncers?

[Randy Shra]

"Ghost of Lyle" <lylemcd@onr.com> wrote in message
news:3E6F79D3.7C3B1439@onr.com...
> Randy Shrader wrote:
> >
> > "Mike" <MrStrong65@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:7cfd37d2.0303120816.674abd1b@posting.google.com...
> > > Please give me your advice on this question.
> > >
> > > I'm interested in learning " boxing skills. "
> > >
> > > When I say " Boxing Skills " I don't mean becoming a
> > > boxer. Nor do I intend to do any sparring at this point.
> > >
> > > I want to learn boxing skills as a way to increase my
> > > fitness level, develop some basic self-defense ability,
> > > and have an outlet to channel built-up aggressions from
> > > the everyday pressures of life.
> > >
> > > These are the things I want to learn.
> > >
> > > 1. How to throw all the different punches ( jab, hook,
> > > uppercut )
> > > 2. The Boxer's stance, positioning of arms, posture.
> > > 3. How to hit the heavy bag, speed bag, etc.
> > > 4. Some basic footwork
> > > 5. Boxing training methods
> > >
> > > Simply stated, I want to learn the mechanics of boxing
> > > training so that I can train like a boxer does. I plan
> > > on having 3 boxing training sessions a week or so. But I
> > > don't just want to buy a heavy bag and throw punches at
> > > it. I want to learn proper boxing technique and THEN
> > > begin boxing-type training by having 3 sessions a week
> > > or so where I do several rounds on the heavy bag, speed
> > > bag, jump rope, shadowbox, etc.
> > >
> > > Can the boxers here tell me what the BEST way is for me
> > > to proceed towards my goal ?
> > >
> > > Can I learn what I need out of a boxing book ?
> > >
> > > Or should I find a local boxer and pay him to give me
> > > lessons on the things I mentioned above ?
> > >
> > > Or should I try to find a boxing gym and see if someone
> > > there can work with me for a fee ?
> > >
> > > I would like to go to a boxing gym and learn these
> > > things.
> > >
> > > But would they allow me to work out there since I have
> > > no desire to spar or to become a competitive boxer ?
> > >
> > > If they do have that attitude, I can understand since it
> > > wouldn't be fair for me to take up a space that could be
> > > used by someone who is actually a boxer who trains for
> > > matches.
> > >
> > > So what would my best option be in learning how to
> > > develop boxing skills ?
> > >
> > > I appreciate all advice and insight on this. Thank you.
> >
> > I suspect that if you go to a "real" boxing gym and say
> > you want to
learn
> > technique but not spar, they'll call you a big wuss. A
> > Boxercise-type
class
> > might be a better option.
>
> And Boxercise is somehow LESS wussy...
>
> Lyle's ghost

Of course it's much more wussy, but in a Boxercise classs his
reluctance to spar will be unremarkable.

Randy

[Robert Dor]

On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 17:30:34 +0000 (UTC), "John Cavanagh"
<jjcavanagh@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Robert Dorf <robertdorf@japan.com> wrote in message
>news:ajou6vo1midc0rias3r0r7od3t08h1sr1e@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:33:59 -0600, khobman@sasktel.net
>> (Keith Hobman) wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>> >In terms of self-defense boxing is of limited value. If
>> >the person who
>you
>> >are facing has any grappling skills at all you'll end up
>> >on the floor. If you are talking about winning a few bar
>> >fights than you are probably on the right track. OTOH,
>> >this is also fraught with danger. The other person may
>> >have a weapon or wait for you outside with their vehicle
>> >or whatever and even though you won the brawl you lose
>> >the war.
>>
>> Peripherally related: Every few years in the states I run
>> across news stories on the lines of "Two men engaged in a
>> bar brawl. The loser fled, the winner remained at the bar.
>> The loser then returned with a gun and demonstrated
>> surprisingly good marksmanship for a drunk."
>>
>> I can't understand why the message "If you're involved in a
>> bar fight, win or lose, leave" hasn't yet gotten through to
>> people.
>>
>> Well, really I can understand it. I just find it annoying.
>>
>
>What about bouncers?
>

Every job has its downside.

;-)

[Lee Michae]

"John Cavanagh" <jjcavanagh@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b4nqrp$s15$1@venus.btinternet.com...
> Robert Dorf <robertdorf@japan.com> wrote in message
> news:ajou6vo1midc0rias3r0r7od3t08h1sr1e@4ax.com...
> > On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:33:59 -0600, khobman@sasktel.net
> > (Keith Hobman) wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> > >In terms of self-defense boxing is of limited value. If
> > >the person who
> you
> > >are facing has any grappling skills at all you'll end up
> > >on the floor.
If
> > >you are talking about winning a few bar fights than you
> > >are probably on the right track. OTOH, this is also
> > >fraught with danger. The other
person
> > >may have a weapon or wait for you outside with their
> > >vehicle or
whatever
> > >and even though you won the brawl you lose the war.
> >
> > Peripherally related: Every few years in the states I run
> > across news stories on the lines of "Two men engaged in a
> > bar brawl. The loser fled, the winner remained at the bar.
> > The loser then returned with a gun and demonstrated
> > surprisingly good marksmanship for a drunk."
> >
> > I can't understand why the message "If you're involved in
> > a bar fight, win or lose, leave" hasn't yet gotten through
> > to people.
> >
> > Well, really I can understand it. I just find it annoying.
> >
>
> What about bouncers?
>
>

I feel a bouncer story coming on.

In my youth, I was very temporarily involved in a speculative
mining adventure in an isolated corner of Arizona. When this
turned out to be totally unreasonable, I bailed. I was short
on funds for a plane ticket and ended up on a bus.

On the bus trip a guy freaked out on PCP and tried to rape
everybody on the bus. I had to fight him for an hour (mostly
sitting on him) before we could get some cops there to take
him away. I ended up on a 12 hour layover in Reno. I was
tired, hungry and had little cash.

I put a few quartrs in a slot machine and won $30. I thought
this was a good sign and bought myself a good meal. I still
had hours to kill and there was no place to sit down. Every
time I sat down, a security guard asked me to move on. Then
the bars opened a few hours before the bus left. I decided to
go in the bar and order a drink. I planned to nurse a drink of
two until the bus left.

I go in the bar and ordered. I was informed there was a two
drink minimum. I said OK, give me the drinks. I turned around
and immediately was confronted with several pairs of bare
female breasts. I did not realize it was the type of bar. But
I am flexible..I could adapt. :)

I sat there drinking and one of the girls sat down to talk to
me. I informed her that I was killing time until my bus left.
She was OK with that and just wanted to talk. She was bored,
just got in town and did not know anybody.

So we are talking. And from behind me I heard a yelp of pain.
I turned around and saw an incridible sight. A very beautiful
woman, wearing almost nothing was standing there with a guy
holding two very large breasts firnly. He did not want to let
go. He had a stupid grin on his face. She picked up a heavy
ashtray from the table and was hitting him over the head with
it. The other girls were very upset. The bartender had left
the room to go get somebody and I was the only one in the
place to deal with the situation.

I was not in a good mood. I walked over to the guy and hit him
as hard as I could between his scapulae. I hit him again and
again until he let go. I then hit, shoved and dragged him to
the front door and threw him out into the cold. One of the
girls came running up to me and handed me his coat. I threw
that out after him. He picked up his coat and sshuffled off.
He was sstill wearing that stupid grin.

I was quite upset and sat down and started drinking. I was no
longer nursing my drink. The owner had came into the room and
witnessed my little imporomptu bouncer performance. He came up
to me and enthsuiastically pumped my hand and told me what a
great american I was. I told him I was just killing time until
my bus left. He then offered me a bouncer job. I was
incredulous. I immediately wondered what happened to the last
one. So I asked.

It turns out that a week or so before I showed up, the
previous bouncer had thrown somebody out. And was the victim
of a knife assault because of it. They waited outside and got
him as he left the bar at three AM. And he was presently
recovering from his wounds in the local hospital.

I was horrified and politely turned him down. He refunded me
the money for my drinks and told me all drinks were on the
house. He also informed the girls that I was only in town for
a couple of more hours and to make me feel welcome. So I spent
the last two hours with all this female flesh pressed into me
while downing drink after drink. It was a heady combo.

Didn't get the job. Didn't want the job. But the company was
nice. I got on my bus and immediately fell asleep I woke up
later hundreds of miles away.

[Ghost Of L]

John Cavanagh wrote:
>
> Robert Dorf <robertdorf@japan.com> wrote in message
> news:ajou6vo1midc0rias3r0r7od3t08h1sr1e@4ax.com...
> > On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:33:59 -0600, khobman@sasktel.net
> > (Keith Hobman) wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> > >In terms of self-defense boxing is of limited value. If
> > >the person who
> you
> > >are facing has any grappling skills at all you'll end up
> > >on the floor. If you are talking about winning a few bar
> > >fights than you are probably on the right track. OTOH,
> > >this is also fraught with danger. The other person may
> > >have a weapon or wait for you outside with their vehicle
> > >or whatever and even though you won the brawl you lose
> > >the war.
> >
> > Peripherally related: Every few years in the states I run
> > across news stories on the lines of "Two men engaged in a
> > bar brawl. The loser fled, the winner remained at the bar.
> > The loser then returned with a gun and demonstrated
> > surprisingly good marksmanship for a drunk."
> >
> > I can't understand why the message "If you're involved in
> > a bar fight, win or lose, leave" hasn't yet gotten through
> > to people.
> >
> > Well, really I can understand it. I just find it annoying.
> >
>
> What about bouncers?

First you get your tires slashed but since you're a badass
experienced bouncer, you know to keep 4 extras in your trunk.
Then you fall for the hot nurse who tended to your scars and
make sweet love to a song by either Bryan Adams or Peter
Satera. After practicing Tai Chi half naked in a field, you
end up fighting the evil land developer and killing him. Then
a song by Kenny Loggins plays.

Didn't you ever see the movie 'Road house'? That shit was
real.

Lyle's ghost It was also where I developed my personal
life philosophy which is "Be polite, until it's time not
to be polite."

Tangentially: my training partner and I are currently debating
whether or not Swayze did in fact split that infinitive. That
is, did he say:

"...until it's time to not be polite." incorrect "...until
it's time not to be polite." correct

[Lordy]

"John Cavanagh" <jjcavanagh@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:b4nqrp$s15$1 @venus.btinternet.com:

>> Well, really I can understand it. I just find it annoying.
>>
>
> What about bouncers?

In Rougher parts of London, Manchester etc. it is not uncommon
for bouncers to get shot.

The best bouncers are ones that defuse/lighten situations and
they tend to be women.

Lordy

[Robert Dor]

On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 18:10:04 GMT, "Lee Michaels"
<leemichaels*nada-spam*@attbi.com> wrote:

<snap>
>>
>
>I feel a bouncer story coming on.
>
>In my youth, I was very temporarily involved in a speculative
>mining adventure in an isolated corner of Arizona. When this
>turned out to be totally unreasonable, I bailed. I was short
>on funds for a plane ticket and ended up on a bus.
>
>On the bus trip a guy freaked out on PCP and tried to rape
>everybody on the bus. I had to fight him for an hour (mostly
>sitting on him) before we could get some cops there to take
>him away. I ended up on a 12 hour layover in Reno. I was
>tired, hungry and had little cash.
>
>I put a few quartrs in a slot machine and won $30. I thought
>this was a good sign and bought myself a good meal. I still
>had hours to kill and there was no place to sit down. Every
>time I sat down, a security guard asked me to move on. Then
>the bars opened a few hours before the bus left. I decided to
>go in the bar and order a drink. I planned to nurse a drink
>of two until the bus left.
>
>I go in the bar and ordered. I was informed there was a two
>drink minimum. I said OK, give me the drinks. I turned around
>and immediately was confronted with several pairs of bare
>female breasts. I did not realize it was the type of bar. But
>I am flexible..I could adapt. :)
>
>I sat there drinking and one of the girls sat down to talk to
>me. I informed her that I was killing time until my bus left.
>She was OK with that and just wanted to talk. She was bored,
>just got in town and did not know anybody.
>
>So we are talking. And from behind me I heard a yelp of pain.
>I turned around and saw an incridible sight. A very beautiful
>woman, wearing almost nothing was standing there with a guy
>holding two very large breasts firnly. He did not want to let
>go. He had a stupid grin on his face. She picked up a heavy
>ashtray from the table and was hitting him over the head with
>it. The other girls were very upset. The bartender had left
>the room to go get somebody and I was the only one in the
>place to deal with the situation.
>
>I was not in a good mood. I walked over to the guy and hit
>him as hard as I could between his scapulae. I hit him again
>and again until he let go. I then hit, shoved and dragged him
>to the front door and threw him out into the cold. One of the
>girls came running up to me and handed me his coat. I threw
>that out after him. He picked up his coat and sshuffled off.
>He was sstill wearing that stupid grin.
>
>I was quite upset and sat down and started drinking. I was no
>longer nursing my drink. The owner had came into the room and
>witnessed my little imporomptu bouncer performance. He came
>up to me and enthsuiastically pumped my hand and told me what
>a great american I was. I told him I was just killing time
>until my bus left. He then offered me a bouncer job. I was
>incredulous. I immediately wondered what happened to the last
>one. So I asked.
>
>It turns out that a week or so before I showed up, the
>previous bouncer had thrown somebody out. And was the victim
>of a knife assault because of it. They waited outside and got
>him as he left the bar at three AM. And he was presently
>recovering from his wounds in the local hospital.
>
>I was horrified and politely turned him down. He refunded
>me the money for my drinks and told me all drinks were on
>the house. He also informed the girls that I was only in
>town for a couple of more hours and to make me feel
>welcome. So I spent the last two hours with all this female
>flesh pressed into me while downing drink after drink. It
>was a heady combo.
>
>Didn't get the job. Didn't want the job. But the company was
>nice. I got on my bus and immediately fell asleep I woke up
>later hundreds of miles away.
>
>
Thanks Lee. Good story.

[Hoff]

"Ghost of Lyle" <lylemcd@onr.com> wrote in message
news:3E6F7AD2.236B0155@onr.com...
> John Cavanagh wrote:
> >
> > Robert Dorf <robertdorf@japan.com> wrote in message
> > news:ajou6vo1midc0rias3r0r7od3t08h1sr1e@4ax.com...
> > > On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:33:59 -0600, khobman@sasktel.net
> > > (Keith Hobman) wrote:
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > > >In terms of self-defense boxing is of limited value. If
> > > >the person
who
> > you
> > > >are facing has any grappling skills at all you'll end
> > > >up on the
floor. If
> > > >you are talking about winning a few bar fights than you
> > > >are probably
on
> > > >the right track. OTOH, this is also fraught with
> > > >danger. The other
person
> > > >may have a weapon or wait for you outside with their
> > > >vehicle or
whatever
> > > >and even though you won the brawl you lose the war.
> > >
> > > Peripherally related: Every few years in the states I
> > > run across news stories on the lines of "Two men engaged
> > > in a bar brawl. The loser fled, the winner remained at
> > > the bar. The loser then returned with a gun and
> > > demonstrated surprisingly good marksmanship for a
> > > drunk."
> > >
> > > I can't understand why the message "If you're involved
> > > in a bar fight, win or lose, leave" hasn't yet gotten
> > > through to people.
> > >
> > > Well, really I can understand it. I just find it
> > > annoying.
> > >
> >
> > What about bouncers?
>
> First you get your tires slashed but since you're a badass
> experienced bouncer, you know to keep 4 extras in your
> trunk. Then you fall for the hot nurse who tended to your
> scars and make sweet love to a song by either Bryan Adams or
> Peter Satera. After practicing Tai Chi half naked in a
> field, you end up fighting the evil land developer and
> killing him. Then a song by Kenny Loggins plays.
>
> Didn't you ever see the movie 'Road house'? That shit
> was real.
>
> Lyle's ghost It was also where I developed my personal life
> philosophy which is "Be polite, until it's time not to be
> polite."
>
> Tangentially: my training partner and I are currently
> debating whether or not Swayze did in fact split that
> infinitive. That is, did he say:
>
> "...until it's time to not be polite." incorrect "...until
> it's time not to be polite." correct

Actually, I don't think it's any of those.

If I remember, it was be *nice*.

Hoff

[John Cavan]

Ghost of Lyle <lylemcd@onr.com> wrote in message
news:3E6F7AD2.236B0155@onr.com...
> John Cavanagh wrote:
> >
> > Robert Dorf <robertdorf@japan.com> wrote in message
> > news:ajou6vo1midc0rias3r0r7od3t08h1sr1e@4ax.com...
> > > On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:33:59 -0600, khobman@sasktel.net
> > > (Keith Hobman) wrote:
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > > >In terms of self-defense boxing is of limited value. If
> > > >the person
who
> > you
> > > >are facing has any grappling skills at all you'll end
> > > >up on the
floor. If
> > > >you are talking about winning a few bar fights than you
> > > >are probably
on
> > > >the right track. OTOH, this is also fraught with
> > > >danger. The other
person
> > > >may have a weapon or wait for you outside with their
> > > >vehicle or
whatever
> > > >and even though you won the brawl you lose the war.
> > >
> > > Peripherally related: Every few years in the states I
> > > run across news stories on the lines of "Two men engaged
> > > in a bar brawl. The loser fled, the winner remained at
> > > the bar. The loser then returned with a gun and
> > > demonstrated surprisingly good marksmanship for a
> > > drunk."
> > >
> > > I can't understand why the message "If you're involved
> > > in a bar fight, win or lose, leave" hasn't yet gotten
> > > through to people.
> > >
> > > Well, really I can understand it. I just find it
> > > annoying.
> > >
> >
> > What about bouncers?
>
> First you get your tires slashed but since you're a badass
> experienced bouncer, you know to keep 4 extras in your
> trunk. Then you fall for the hot nurse who tended to your
> scars and make sweet love to a song by either Bryan Adams or
> Peter Satera. After practicing Tai Chi half naked in a
> field, you end up fighting the evil land developer and
> killing him. Then a song by Kenny Loggins plays.
>
> Didn't you ever see the movie 'Road house'? That shit
> was real.

There's more to this martial arts stuff than I realised. I
must admit I was thinking along the lines of The Karate Kid...
a guy of about 30 is not only still at school for some reason
but is even being picked on by the local bullies, and learns
karate by washing cars and floors etc for a weird old man. And
kicks into the air whilst balancing on a pole. Made perfect
sense at the time, but clearly there is much more to it.

John Cavanagh

> Lyle's ghost It was also where I developed my personal life
> philosophy which is "Be polite, until it's time not to be
> polite."
>
> Tangentially: my training partner and I are currently
> debating whether or not Swayze did in fact split that
> infinitive. That is, did he say:
>
> "...until it's time to not be polite." incorrect "...until
> it's time not to be polite." correct

[Whitster]

Ghost of Lyle <lylemcd@onr.com> wrote in message
news:3E6F7AD2.236B0155@onr.com...
> John Cavanagh wrote:
> >
> > Robert Dorf <robertdorf@japan.com> wrote in message
> > news:ajou6vo1midc0rias3r0r7od3t08h1sr1e@4ax.com...
> > > On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:33:59 -0600, khobman@sasktel.net
> > > (Keith Hobman) wrote:
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > > >In terms of self-defense boxing is of limited value. If
> > > >the person
who
> > you
> > > >are facing has any grappling skills at all you'll end
> > > >up on the
floor. If
> > > >you are talking about winning a few bar fights than you
> > > >are probably
on
> > > >the right track. OTOH, this is also fraught with
> > > >danger. The other
person
> > > >may have a weapon or wait for you outside with their
> > > >vehicle or
whatever
> > > >and even though you won the brawl you lose the war.
> > >
> > > Peripherally related: Every few years in the states I
> > > run across news stories on the lines of "Two men engaged
> > > in a bar brawl. The loser fled, the winner remained at
> > > the bar. The loser then returned with a gun and
> > > demonstrated surprisingly good marksmanship for a
> > > drunk."
> > >
> > > I can't understand why the message "If you're involved
> > > in a bar fight, win or lose, leave" hasn't yet gotten
> > > through to people.
> > >
> > > Well, really I can understand it. I just find it
> > > annoying.
> > >
> >
> > What about bouncers?
>
> First you get your tires slashed but since you're a badass
> experienced bouncer, you know to keep 4 extras in your
> trunk. Then you fall for the hot nurse

she was an MD, not a nurse.

you sexist pig!

whit

who tended to your scars and make sweet love to a song by
> either Bryan Adams or Peter Satera. After practicing Tai
> Chi half naked in a field, you end up fighting the evil
> land developer and killing him. Then a song by Kenny
> Loggins plays.
>
> Didn't you ever see the movie 'Road house'? That shit
> was real.
>
> Lyle's ghost It was also where I developed my personal life
> philosophy which is "Be polite, until it's time not to be
> polite."
>
> Tangentially: my training partner and I are currently
> debating whether or not Swayze did in fact split that
> infinitive. That is, did he say:
>
> "...until it's time to not be polite." incorrect "...until
> it's time not to be polite." correct

[Aj]

In article <h3uu6vc24pgp6ghecsdt30tv9d38djcf1b@4ax.com>,
Robert Dorf wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 18:10:04 GMT, "Lee Michaels"
> <leemichaels*nada-spam*@attbi.com> wrote:
>
><snap>
>>>
>>
>>I feel a bouncer story coming on.
>>
>>In my youth, I was very temporarily involved in a
>>speculative mining adventure in an isolated corner of
>>Arizona. When this turned out to be totally unreasonable, I
>>bailed. I was short on funds for a plane ticket and ended up
>>on a bus.
>>
>>On the bus trip a guy freaked out on PCP and tried to rape
>>everybody on the bus. I had to fight him for an hour (mostly
>>sitting on him) before we could get some cops there to take
>>him away. I ended up on a 12 hour layover in Reno. I was
>>tired, hungry and had little cash.
>>
>>I put a few quartrs in a slot machine and won $30. I thought
>>this was a good sign and bought myself a good meal. I still
>>had hours to kill and there was no place to sit down. Every
>>time I sat down, a security guard asked me to move on. Then
>>the bars opened a few hours before the bus left. I decided
>>to go in the bar and order a drink. I planned to nurse a
>>drink of two until the bus left.
>>
>>I go in the bar and ordered. I was informed there was a two
>>drink minimum. I said OK, give me the drinks. I turned
>>around and immediately was confronted with several pairs of
>>bare female breasts. I did not realize it was the type of
>>bar. But I am flexible..I could adapt. :)
>>
>>I sat there drinking and one of the girls sat down to talk
>>to me. I informed her that I was killing time until my bus
>>left. She was OK with that and just wanted to talk. She was
>>bored, just got in town and did not know anybody.
>>
>>So we are talking. And from behind me I heard a yelp of
>>pain. I turned around and saw an incridible sight. A very
>>beautiful woman, wearing almost nothing was standing there
>>with a guy holding two very large breasts firnly. He did not
>>want to let go. He had a stupid grin on his face. She picked
>>up a heavy ashtray from the table and was hitting him over
>>the head with it. The other girls were very upset. The
>>bartender had left the room to go get somebody and I was the
>>only one in the place to deal with the situation.
>>
>>I was not in a good mood. I walked over to the guy and hit
>>him as hard as I could between his scapulae. I hit him again
>>and again until he let go. I then hit, shoved and dragged
>>him to the front door and threw him out into the cold. One
>>of the girls came running up to me and handed me his coat. I
>>threw that out after him. He picked up his coat and
>>sshuffled off. He was sstill wearing that stupid grin.
>>
>>I was quite upset and sat down and started drinking. I was
>>no longer nursing my drink. The owner had came into the room
>>and witnessed my little imporomptu bouncer performance. He
>>came up to me and enthsuiastically pumped my hand and told
>>me what a great american I was. I told him I was just
>>killing time until my bus left. He then offered me a bouncer
>>job. I was incredulous. I immediately wondered what happened
>>to the last one. So I asked.
>>
>>It turns out that a week or so before I showed up, the
>>previous bouncer had thrown somebody out. And was the victim
>>of a knife assault because of it. They waited outside and
>>got him as he left the bar at three AM. And he was presently
>>recovering from his wounds in the local hospital.
>>
>>I was horrified and politely turned him down. He refunded
>>me the money for my drinks and told me all drinks were on
>>the house. He also informed the girls that I was only in
>>town for a couple of more hours and to make me feel
>>welcome. So I spent the last two hours with all this female
>>flesh pressed into me while downing drink after drink. It
>>was a heady combo.
>>
>>Didn't get the job. Didn't want the job. But the company was
>>nice. I got on my bus and immediately fell asleep I woke up
>>later hundreds of miles away.
>>
>>
> Thanks Lee. Good story.

Seconded.

--
-aj

[Jack]

Hoff...was it .."be nice, until its time to not be nice." or
"be nice, until its not time to be nice." That movie sucked,
although the fighting was fun to watch.

The doctor was hot though, wasn't she?? I also thought the
mean developers girl was sweet in that bikin near the pool.
yum, yum... As for the barmaid, no way

"Hoff" <hoffmantt40@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:_SLba.54229$F1.2559@sccrnsc04...
> "Ghost of Lyle" <lylemcd@onr.com> wrote in message
> news:3E6F7AD2.236B0155@onr.com...
> > John Cavanagh wrote:
> > >
> > > Robert Dorf <robertdorf@japan.com> wrote in message
> > > news:ajou6vo1midc0rias3r0r7od3t08h1sr1e@4ax.com...
> > > > On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:33:59 -0600,
> > > > khobman@sasktel.net (Keith
Hobman)
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > <snip>
> > > > >In terms of self-defense boxing is of limited value.
> > > > >If the person
> who
> > > you
> > > > >are facing has any grappling skills at all you'll end
> > > > >up on the
> floor. If
> > > > >you are talking about winning a few bar fights than
> > > > >you are
probably
> on
> > > > >the right track. OTOH, this is also fraught with
> > > > >danger. The other
> person
> > > > >may have a weapon or wait for you outside with their
> > > > >vehicle or
> whatever
> > > > >and even though you won the brawl you lose the war.
> > > >
> > > > Peripherally related: Every few years in the states I
> > > > run across
news
> > > > stories on the lines of "Two men engaged in a bar
> > > > brawl. The loser fled, the winner remained at the bar.
> > > > The loser then returned with
a
> > > > gun and demonstrated surprisingly good marksmanship
> > > > for a drunk."
> > > >
> > > > I can't understand why the message "If you're involved
> > > > in a bar
fight,
> > > > win or lose, leave" hasn't yet gotten through to
> > > > people.
> > > >
> > > > Well, really I can understand it. I just find it
> > > > annoying.
> > > >
> > >
> > > What about bouncers?
> >
> > First you get your tires slashed but since you're a badass
> > experienced bouncer, you know to keep 4 extras in your
> > trunk. Then you fall for the hot nurse who tended to your
> > scars and make sweet love to a song by either Bryan Adams
> > or Peter Satera. After practicing Tai Chi half naked in a
> > field, you end up fighting the evil land developer and
> > killing him. Then a song by Kenny Loggins plays.
> >
> > Didn't you ever see the movie 'Road house'? That shit
> > was real.
> >
> > Lyle's ghost It was also where I developed my personal
> > life philosophy which is "Be polite, until it's time not
> > to be polite."
> >
> > Tangentially: my training partner and I are currently
> > debating whether or not Swayze did in fact split that
> > infinitive. That is, did he say:
> >
> > "...until it's time to not be polite." incorrect "...until
> > it's time not to be polite." correct
>
> Actually, I don't think it's any of those.
>
> If I remember, it was be *nice*.
>
> Hoff

[Ghost Of L]

Hoff wrote:
>
> "Ghost of Lyle" <lylemcd@onr.com> wrote in message
> news:3E6F7AD2.236B0155@onr.com...
> > John Cavanagh wrote:
> > >
> > > Robert Dorf <robertdorf@japan.com> wrote in message
> > > news:ajou6vo1midc0rias3r0r7od3t08h1sr1e@4ax.com...
> > > > On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:33:59 -0600,
> > > > khobman@sasktel.net (Keith Hobman) wrote:
> > > >
> > > > <snip>
> > > > >In terms of self-defense boxing is of limited value.
> > > > >If the person
> who
> > > you
> > > > >are facing has any grappling skills at all you'll end
> > > > >up on the
> floor. If
> > > > >you are talking about winning a few bar fights than
> > > > >you are probably
> on
> > > > >the right track. OTOH, this is also fraught with
> > > > >danger. The other
> person
> > > > >may have a weapon or wait for you outside with their
> > > > >vehicle or
> whatever
> > > > >and even though you won the brawl you lose the war.
> > > >
> > > > Peripherally related: Every few years in the states I
> > > > run across news stories on the lines of "Two men
> > > > engaged in a bar brawl. The loser fled, the winner
> > > > remained at the bar. The loser then returned with a
> > > > gun and demonstrated surprisingly good marksmanship
> > > > for a drunk."
> > > >
> > > > I can't understand why the message "If you're involved
> > > > in a bar fight, win or lose, leave" hasn't yet gotten
> > > > through to people.
> > > >
> > > > Well, really I can understand it. I just find it
> > > > annoying.
> > > >
> > >
> > > What about bouncers?
> >
> > First you get your tires slashed but since you're a badass
> > experienced bouncer, you know to keep 4 extras in your
> > trunk. Then you fall for the hot nurse who tended to your
> > scars and make sweet love to a song by either Bryan Adams
> > or Peter Satera. After practicing Tai Chi half naked in a
> > field, you end up fighting the evil land developer and
> > killing him. Then a song by Kenny Loggins plays.
> >
> > Didn't you ever see the movie 'Road house'? That shit
> > was real.
> >
> > Lyle's ghost It was also where I developed my personal
> > life philosophy which is "Be polite, until it's time not
> > to be polite."
> >
> > Tangentially: my training partner and I are currently
> > debating whether or not Swayze did in fact split that
> > infinitive. That is, did he say:
> >
> > "...until it's time to not be polite." incorrect "...until
> > it's time not to be polite." correct
>
> Actually, I don't think it's any of those.
>
> If I remember, it was be *nice*.

Initiating global find-replace algorithm 5 read WD$ 10 If WD$
= 'polite' then goto 30 20 goto 10 30 replace 'polite' with
nice 40 kick Hoff in the head 50 end

Lyle's ghost

[Hoff]

"Jack" <Jack@myshortsatt.net> wrote in message
news:4_Lba.277$Kc5.19287@news2.east.cox.net...
> Hoff...was it .."be nice, until its time to not be nice." or
> "be nice,
until
> its not time to be nice." That movie sucked, although the
> fighting was fun to watch.

Dunno. Just liked pointing out Lyle was WRONG.

>
> The doctor was hot though, wasn't she?? I also thought the
> mean developers girl was sweet in that bikin near the pool.
> yum, yum... As for the
barmaid,
> no way

The doctor was hot. Kelly Lynch, right?

Hoff

>
> "Hoff" <hoffmantt40@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:_SLba.54229$F1.2559@sccrnsc04...
> > "Ghost of Lyle" <lylemcd@onr.com> wrote in message
> > news:3E6F7AD2.236B0155@onr.com...
> > > John Cavanagh wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Robert Dorf <robertdorf@japan.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:ajou6vo1midc0rias3r0r7od3t08h1sr1e@4ax.com...
> > > > > On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:33:59 -0600,
> > > > > khobman@sasktel.net (Keith
> Hobman)
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > <snip>
> > > > > >In terms of self-defense boxing is of limited
> > > > > >value. If the
person
> > who
> > > > you
> > > > > >are facing has any grappling skills at all you'll
> > > > > >end up on the
> > floor. If
> > > > > >you are talking about winning a few bar fights than
> > > > > >you are
> probably
> > on
> > > > > >the right track. OTOH, this is also fraught with
> > > > > >danger. The
other
> > person
> > > > > >may have a weapon or wait for you outside with
> > > > > >their vehicle or
> > whatever
> > > > > >and even though you won the brawl you lose the war.
> > > > >
> > > > > Peripherally related: Every few years in the states
> > > > > I run across
> news
> > > > > stories on the lines of "Two men engaged in a bar
> > > > > brawl. The
loser
> > > > > fled, the winner remained at the bar. The loser then
> > > > > returned
with
> a
> > > > > gun and demonstrated surprisingly good marksmanship
> > > > > for a drunk."
> > > > >
> > > > > I can't understand why the message "If you're
> > > > > involved in a bar
> fight,
> > > > > win or lose, leave" hasn't yet gotten through to
> > > > > people.
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, really I can understand it. I just find it
> > > > > annoying.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > What about bouncers?
> > >
> > > First you get your tires slashed but since you're a
> > > badass experienced bouncer, you know to keep 4 extras in
> > > your trunk. Then you fall for
the
> > > hot nurse who tended to your scars and make sweet love
> > > to a song by either Bryan Adams or Peter Satera. After
> > > practicing Tai Chi half
naked
> > > in a field, you end up fighting the evil land developer
> > > and killing
him.
> > > Then a song by Kenny Loggins plays.
> > >
> > > Didn't you ever see the movie 'Road house'? That shit
> > > was real.
> > >
> > > Lyle's ghost It was also where I developed my personal
> > > life philosophy which is "Be polite, until it's time not
> > > to be polite."
> > >
> > > Tangentially: my training partner and I are currently
> > > debating whether or not Swayze did in fact split that
> > > infinitive. That is, did he say:
> > >
> > > "...until it's time to not be polite." incorrect
> > > "...until it's time not to be polite." correct
> >
> > Actually, I don't think it's any of those.
> >
> > If I remember, it was be *nice*.
> >
> > Hoff
> >
>

[Hoff]

"Ghost of Lyle" <lylemcd@onr.com> wrote in message
news:3E6F8CA7.40A348F9@onr.com...
> Hoff wrote:
> >
> > "Ghost of Lyle" <lylemcd@onr.com> wrote in message
> > news:3E6F7AD2.236B0155@onr.com...
> > > John Cavanagh wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Robert Dorf <robertdorf@japan.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:ajou6vo1midc0rias3r0r7od3t08h1sr1e@4ax.com...
> > > > > On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:33:59 -0600,
> > > > > khobman@sasktel.net (Keith
Hobman)
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > <snip>
> > > > > >In terms of self-defense boxing is of limited
> > > > > >value. If the
person
> > who
> > > > you
> > > > > >are facing has any grappling skills at all you'll
> > > > > >end up on the
> > floor. If
> > > > > >you are talking about winning a few bar fights than
> > > > > >you are
probably
> > on
> > > > > >the right track. OTOH, this is also fraught with
> > > > > >danger. The
other
> > person
> > > > > >may have a weapon or wait for you outside with
> > > > > >their vehicle or
> > whatever
> > > > > >and even though you won the brawl you lose the war.
> > > > >
> > > > > Peripherally related: Every few years in the states
> > > > > I run across
news
> > > > > stories on the lines of "Two men engaged in a bar
> > > > > brawl. The
loser
> > > > > fled, the winner remained at the bar. The loser then
> > > > > returned
with a
> > > > > gun and demonstrated surprisingly good marksmanship
> > > > > for a drunk."
> > > > >
> > > > > I can't understand why the message "If you're
> > > > > involved in a bar
fight,
> > > > > win or lose, leave" hasn't yet gotten through to
> > > > > people.
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, really I can understand it. I just find it
> > > > > annoying.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > What about bouncers?
> > >
> > > First you get your tires slashed but since you're a
> > > badass experienced bouncer, you know to keep 4 extras in
> > > your trunk. Then you fall for
the
> > > hot nurse who tended to your scars and make sweet love
> > > to a song by either Bryan Adams or Peter Satera. After
> > > practicing Tai Chi half
naked
> > > in a field, you end up fighting the evil land developer
> > > and killing
him.
> > > Then a song by Kenny Loggins plays.
> > >
> > > Didn't you ever see the movie 'Road house'? That shit
> > > was real.
> > >
> > > Lyle's ghost It was also where I developed my personal
> > > life philosophy which is "Be polite, until it's time not
> > > to be polite."
> > >
> > > Tangentially: my training partner and I are currently
> > > debating whether or not Swayze did in fact split that
> > > infinitive. That is, did he say:
> > >
> > > "...until it's time to not be polite." incorrect
> > > "...until it's time not to be polite." correct
> >
> > Actually, I don't think it's any of those.
> >
> > If I remember, it was be *nice*.
>
> Initiating global find-replace algorithm 5 read WD$ 10 If
> WD$ = 'polite' then goto 30 20 goto 10 30 replace 'polite'
> with nice 40 kick Hoff in the head 50 end
>

Yeah, whatever. I'll be in the garage. Actually doing
<whisper>cardio</whisper>.

Hoff (looking for a wall clock to hang on a chain....)

[Ghost Of L]

Hoff wrote:
>
> "Jack" <Jack@myshortsatt.net> wrote in message
> news:4_Lba.277$Kc5.19287@news2.east.cox.net...
> > Hoff...was it .."be nice, until its time to not be nice."
> > or "be nice,
> until
> > its not time to be nice." That movie sucked, although the
> > fighting was fun to watch.
>
> Dunno. Just liked pointing out Lyle was WRONG.

well, since it happens oh so very rarely, you better take what
you can get.

Lyle's ghost ya' little bitch

[Patrickfal]

>In terms of self-defense boxing is of limited value. If the
>person who you are facing has any grappling skills at all
>you'll end up on the floor. If you are talking about winning
>a few bar fights than you are probably on the right track.
>OTOH, this is also fraught with danger. The other person may
>have a weapon or wait for you outside with their vehicle or
>whatever and even though you won the brawl you lose the war.
>
>--
>Keith Hobman

And it has even less value for self-defense if you don't spar.

For what the original poster is asking, I'd think a book or
video would be adequate. The actual techniques aren't all that
complicated.

Patrick Falcon

[Jacob Ande]

"Mike" <MrStrong65@hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:7cfd37d2.0303120816.674abd1b@posting.google.com...
> Please give me your advice on this question.
>
> I'm interested in learning " boxing skills. "
>
> When I say " Boxing Skills " I don't mean becoming a boxer.
> Nor do I intend to do any sparring at this point.
>
> I want to learn boxing skills as a way to increase my
> fitness level, develop some basic self-defense ability, and
> have an outlet to channel built-up aggressions from the
> everyday pressures of life.

You can get all of that without sparring, but to be able to do
well in any kind of fight where you don't throw the first
punch you'll need some sparring. Don't exclude it totally.

> These are the things I want to learn.
>
> 1. How to throw all the different punches ( jab, hook,
> uppercut )
> 2. The Boxer's stance, positioning of arms, posture.
> 3. How to hit the heavy bag, speed bag, etc.
> 4. Some basic footwork
> 5. Boxing training methods
>
> Simply stated, I want to learn the mechanics of boxing
> training so that I can train like a boxer does. I plan on
> having 3 boxing training sessions a week or so. But I don't
> just want to buy a heavy bag and throw punches at it. I want
> to learn proper boxing technique and THEN begin boxing-type
> training by having 3 sessions a week or so where I do
> several rounds on the heavy bag, speed bag, jump rope,
> shadowbox, etc.
>
> Can the boxers here tell me what the BEST way is for me to
> proceed towards my goal ?

Join a boxing gym, they won't tell you to spar unless you want
to. At least in Denmark lots of boxing gyms have "fitness
teams" that'll teach you *exactly* what you're after.

> Can I learn what I need out of a boxing book ?

Probably not as well as if you were to join a club. That said
there are books out there.

> Or should I find a local boxer and pay him to give me
> lessons on the things I mentioned above ?
>
> Or should I try to find a boxing gym and see if someone
> there can work with me for a fee ?

I think you should. You'll be able to find the best
instruction in such a place probably. The two boxing gyms near
me are run much like other MA schools and have an instructor
that teaches on set times and you pay to be a member. That may
be different from standard practice in the states, but still a
real boxing gym should have more people qualified to teach.

>
> I would like to go to a boxing gym and learn these things.
>
> But would they allow me to work out there since I have no
> desire to spar or to become a competitive boxer ?
>
> If they do have that attitude, I can understand since it
> wouldn't be fair for me to take up a space that could be
> used by someone who is actually a boxer who trains for
> matches.

I don't think it'll be a problem, but you'll probably have to
pay for membership of course.

> So what would my best option be in learning how to develop
> boxing skills ?
>
> I appreciate all advice and insight on this. Thank you.

The *best* place would probably be a boxing gym as stated, but
if that's not possible, try to get som privates with a fairly
good boxer.

/Jacob (and do sparring, it's fun and challenging, and will
enable you to actually *do* the things you learn)

[Jacob Ande]

"Keith Hobman" <khobman@sasktel.net> skrev i en meddelelse
news:khobman-1203031033590001@192.168.0.2...
>
> I boxed as a kid. You can't learn to box without sparring.
> Simple as that. You can learn to throw a punch, but you
> can't learn to box. Recognition and countering are crucial
> skills that have to be developed through sparring. As well
> you learn to slip and absorb a punch through sparring. I saw
> it time and time again in karate where they would develop
> great skills, but not learn to take it and then someone
> would land something and you'd watch the person fall apart.
>
> If you want to learn to throw punches and various
> combinations go to a boxing gym. However, you aren't
> going to get much respect there if you don't have the
> brass to spar.
>
> In terms of self-defense boxing is of limited value. If the
> person who you are facing has any grappling skills at all
> you'll end up on the floor.

True, but if he's that karate guy from before, you'll be all
set.

> If you are talking about winning a few bar fights than you
> are probably on the right track. OTOH, this is also fraught
> with danger. The other person may have a weapon or wait for
> you outside with their vehicle or whatever and even though
> you won the brawl you lose the war.

All true, but it's still better to be in good shape and able
to box, than the opposite.

/Jacob

[Mistress K]

"Jacob Andersen" <duk@glem.det> wrote in message
news:3e6fcd7f$0$7583$ba624c82@nntp02.dk.telia.net...
> "Mike" <MrStrong65@hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:7cfd37d2.0303120816.674abd1b@posting.google.com...
> > Please give me your advice on this question.
> >
> > I'm interested in learning " boxing skills. "
> >
> > When I say " Boxing Skills " I don't mean becoming a
> > boxer. Nor do I intend to do any sparring at this point.
> >
> > I want to learn boxing skills as a way to increase my
> > fitness level, develop some basic self-defense ability,
> > and have an outlet to channel built-up aggressions from
> > the everyday pressures of life.
>
> You can get all of that without sparring, but to be able to
> do well in any kind of fight where you don't throw the first
> punch you'll need some sparring. Don't exclude it totally.

Agreed. When you learn technique you'll learn it because
someone says it's the right thing to do. Then when you spar
you'll realize it's good technique because, for example, it
keeps you from getting punched in the face as much as
possible. After the first time I sparred I had an excellent
experiential memory cue to keep my hands up and chin down.
(the guy who reminded me hopefully now also has a little
mnemonic of his own about watching out for gut shots)

Krista

--
--------------------
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[Peter Rosa]

Robert Dorf <robertdorf@japan.com> wrote in message
news:<ajou6vo1midc0rias3r0r7od3t08h1sr1e@4ax.com>...
> On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:33:59 -0600, khobman@sasktel.net
> (Keith Hobman) wrote:
>
> <snip>
> >In terms of self-defense boxing is of limited value. If the
> >person who you are facing has any grappling skills at all
> >you'll end up on the floor. If you are talking about
> >winning a few bar fights than you are probably on the right
> >track. OTOH, this is also fraught with danger. The other
> >person may have a weapon or wait for you outside with their
> >vehicle or whatever and even though you won the brawl you
> >lose the war.
>
> Peripherally related: Every few years in the states I run
> across news stories on the lines of "Two men engaged in a
> bar brawl. The loser fled, the winner remained at the bar.
> The loser then returned with a gun and demonstrated
> surprisingly good marksmanship for a drunk."
>
> I can't understand why the message "If you're involved in
> a bar fight, win or lose, leave" hasn't yet gotten through
> to people.
>
> Well, really I can understand it. I just find it annoying.

You might get an occasional twist on that news story. For
instance, there was an incident some years back in the city
where I lived at the time, when a loser of a barroom brawl
indeed returned an hour or so later with a pistol and
demonstrated suprisingly good marksmanship for a drunk. Well,
not all that good; his shots completely missed the man who'd
worked him over, but struck (fatally) three other people who
had had no involvement whatsoever in the brawl.

--
Peter Rosa prosa123@yahoo.com

[Robert Dor]

On 12 Mar 2003 17:02:18 -0800, prosa123@yahoo.com (Peter
Rosa) wrote:

>Robert Dorf <robertdorf@japan.com> wrote in message
>news:<ajou6vo1midc0rias3r0r7od3t08h1sr1e@4ax.com>...
>> On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:33:59 -0600, khobman@sasktel.net
>> (Keith Hobman) wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>> >In terms of self-defense boxing is of limited value. If
>> >the person who you are facing has any grappling skills at
>> >all you'll end up on the floor. If you are talking about
>> >winning a few bar fights than you are probably on the
>> >right track. OTOH, this is also fraught with danger. The
>> >other person may have a weapon or wait for you outside
>> >with their vehicle or whatever and even though you won the
>> >brawl you lose the war.
>>
>> Peripherally related: Every few years in the states I run
>> across news stories on the lines of "Two men engaged in a
>> bar brawl. The loser fled, the winner remained at the bar.
>> The loser then returned with a gun and demonstrated
>> surprisingly good marksmanship for a drunk."
>>
>> I can't understand why the message "If you're involved in a
>> bar fight, win or lose, leave" hasn't yet gotten through to
>> people.
>>
>> Well, really I can understand it. I just find it annoying.
>
>You might get an occasional twist on that news story. For
>instance, there was an incident some years back in the city
>where I lived at the time, when a loser of a barroom brawl
>indeed returned an hour or so later with a pistol and
>demonstrated suprisingly good marksmanship for a drunk. Well,
>not all that good; his shots completely missed the man who'd
>worked him over, but struck (fatally) three other people who
>had had no involvement whatsoever in the brawl.

Which leads to the second rule;

If you witness a bar brawl, leave. There's almost always
another bar down the road.

[Jacob Ande]

"Robert Dorf" <robertdorf@japan.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:3qru6vsuteoopi8n21q0bpq9s7nuupfobe@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 17:30:34 +0000 (UTC), "John Cavanagh"
> <jjcavanagh@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Robert Dorf <robertdorf@japan.com> wrote in message
> >news:ajou6vo1midc0rias3r0r7od3t08h1sr1e@4ax.com...
> >> On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:33:59 -0600, khobman@sasktel.net
> >> (Keith Hobman) wrote:
> >>
> >> <snip>
> >> >In terms of self-defense boxing is of limited value. If
> >> >the person who
> >you
> >> >are facing has any grappling skills at all you'll end up
> >> >on the floor.
If
> >> >you are talking about winning a few bar fights than you
> >> >are probably
on
> >> >the right track. OTOH, this is also fraught with danger.
> >> >The other
person
> >> >may have a weapon or wait for you outside with their
> >> >vehicle or
whatever
> >> >and even though you won the brawl you lose the war.
> >>
> >> Peripherally related: Every few years in the states I run
> >> across news stories on the lines of "Two men engaged in a
> >> bar brawl. The loser fled, the winner remained at the
> >> bar. The loser then returned with a gun and demonstrated
> >> surprisingly good marksmanship for a drunk."
> >>
> >> I can't understand why the message "If you're involved in
> >> a bar fight, win or lose, leave" hasn't yet gotten
> >> through to people.
> >>
> >> Well, really I can understand it. I just find it
> >> annoying.
> >>
> >
> >What about bouncers?
> >
>
> Every job has its downside.
>
> ;-)

Underage chicks that want to get inside is the obvious upside
to that one.

/Jacob

[Jacob Ande]

"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nada-spam*@attbi.com> skrev i en
meddelelse news:0KKba.56066$3D1.3020@sccrnsc01...

<snip: good guy act>

> It turns out that a week or so before I showed up, the
> previous bouncer
had
> thrown somebody out. And was the victim of a knife assault
> because of it. They waited outside and got him as he left
> the bar at three AM. And he was presently recovering from
> his wounds in the local hospital.
>
> I was horrified and politely turned him down. He refunded me
> the money
for
> my drinks and told me all drinks were on the house. He also
> informed the girls that I was only in town for a couple of
> more hours and to make me
feel
> welcome. So I spent the last two hours with all this female
> flesh pressed into me while downing drink after drink. It
> was a heady combo.
>
> Didn't get the job. Didn't want the job. But the company was
> nice. I got on my bus and immediately fell asleep I woke up
> later hundreds of miles away.

MMMMM, breasts. Go Lee.

/Jacob

[Mjl]

On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 18:10:04 GMT, "Lee Michaels"
<leemichaels*nada-spam*@attbi.com> wrote:

>I was not in a good mood. I walked over to the guy and hit
>him as hard as I could between his scapulae. I hit him again
>and again until he let go. I then hit, shoved and dragged him
>to the front door and threw him out into the cold. One of the
>girls came running up to me and handed me his coat. I threw
>that out after him. He picked up his coat and sshuffled off.
>He was sstill wearing that stupid grin.
>

Shouldn't this have ended...

"I saw him in the back of the squad car still wearing that
stupid grin."

??

What am I missing here?

--

We are stardust.

[Ghost Of L]

John Cavanagh wrote:
>
> Ghost of Lyle <lylemcd@onr.com> wrote in message
> news:3E6F7AD2.236B0155@onr.com...
> > John Cavanagh wrote:
> > >
> > > Robert Dorf <robertdorf@japan.com> wrote in message
> > > news:ajou6vo1midc0rias3r0r7od3t08h1sr1e@4ax.com...
> > > > On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:33:59 -0600,
> > > > khobman@sasktel.net (Keith Hobman) wrote:
> > > >
> > > > <snip>
> > > > >In terms of self-defense boxing is of limited value.
> > > > >If the person
> who
> > > you
> > > > >are facing has any grappling skills at all you'll end
> > > > >up on the
> floor. If
> > > > >you are talking about winning a few bar fights than
> > > > >you are probably
> on
> > > > >the right track. OTOH, this is also fraught with
> > > > >danger. The other
> person
> > > > >may have a weapon or wait for you outside with their
> > > > >vehicle or
> whatever
> > > > >and even though you won the brawl you lose the war.
> > > >
> > > > Peripherally related: Every few years in the states I
> > > > run across news stories on the lines of "Two men
> > > > engaged in a bar brawl. The loser fled, the winner
> > > > remained at the bar. The loser then returned with a
> > > > gun and demonstrated surprisingly good marksmanship
> > > > for a drunk."
> > > >
> > > > I can't understand why the message "If you're involved
> > > > in a bar fight, win or lose, leave" hasn't yet gotten
> > > > through to people.
> > > >
> > > > Well, really I can understand it. I just find it
> > > > annoying.
> > > >
> > >
> > > What about bouncers?
> >
> > First you get your tires slashed but since you're a badass
> > experienced bouncer, you know to keep 4 extras in your
> > trunk. Then you fall for the hot nurse who tended to your
> > scars and make sweet love to a song by either Bryan Adams
> > or Peter Satera. After practicing Tai Chi half naked in a
> > field, you end up fighting the evil land developer and
> > killing him. Then a song by Kenny Loggins plays.
> >
> > Didn't you ever see the movie 'Road house'? That shit
> > was real.
>
> There's more to this martial arts stuff than I realised. I
> must admit I was thinking along the lines of The Karate
> Kid... a guy of about 30 is not only still at school for
> some reason but is even being picked on by the local
> bullies, and learns karate by washing cars and floors etc
> for a weird old man. And kicks into the air whilst balancing
> on a pole. Made perfect sense at the time, but clearly there
> is much more to it.

You left out the evil martial arts teacher.

Lyle's ghost

[Ghost Of L]

whitster wrote:
>
> Ghost of Lyle <lylemcd@onr.com> wrote in message
> news:3E6F7AD2.236B0155@onr.com...
> > John Cavanagh wrote:
> > >
> > > Robert Dorf <robertdorf@japan.com> wrote in message
> > > news:ajou6vo1midc0rias3r0r7od3t08h1sr1e@4ax.com...
> > > > On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:33:59 -0600,
> > > > khobman@sasktel.net (Keith Hobman) wrote:
> > > >
> > > > <snip>
> > > > >In terms of self-defense boxing is of limited value.
> > > > >If the person
> who
> > > you
> > > > >are facing has any grappling skills at all you'll end
> > > > >up on the
> floor. If
> > > > >you are talking about winning a few bar fights than
> > > > >you are probably
> on
> > > > >the right track. OTOH, this is also fraught with
> > > > >danger. The other
> person
> > > > >may have a weapon or wait for you outside with their
> > > > >vehicle or
> whatever
> > > > >and even though you won the brawl you lose the war.
> > > >
> > > > Peripherally related: Every few years in the states I
> > > > run across news stories on the lines of "Two men
> > > > engaged in a bar brawl. The loser fled, the winner
> > > > remained at the bar. The loser then returned with a
> > > > gun and demonstrated surprisingly good marksmanship
> > > > for a drunk."
> > > >
> > > > I can't understand why the message "If you're involved
> > > > in a bar fight, win or lose, leave" hasn't yet gotten
> > > > through to people.
> > > >
> > > > Well, really I can understand it. I just find it
> > > > annoying.
> > > >
> > >
> > > What about bouncers?
> >
> > First you get your tires slashed but since you're a badass
> > experienced bouncer, you know to keep 4 extras in your
> > trunk. Then you fall for the hot nurse
>
> she was an MD, not a nurse.
>
> you sexist pig!

riiiigh, like any chick could be smart enough to be an MD.

I want my book back.

Lyle's ghost

[Mjl]

On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 20:00:11 GMT, Ghost of Lyle
<lylemcd@onr.com> wrote:

>> If I remember, it was be *nice*.
>
>Initiating global find-replace algorithm 5 read WD$ 10 If WD$
>= 'polite' then goto 30 20 goto 10 30 replace 'polite' with
>nice 40 kick Hoff in the head 50 end
>
>Lyle's ghost

I remember doing basic at a camp for Gifted and Talented when
I was a kid. I remember loving it but thinking "what the hell
am I ever gonna do with this?"

{sigh}

--

We are stardust.

[Mike]

Hi, everyone.

Thanks so much for the advice on my question. Look what I
found on the net.

This place on the link pretty much approximates the kind of
thing I'm looking for.

http://www.accessny.com/kingsway/page2.html

There is a local gym in my area. I'm planning on
contacting them.

MrStrong65@hotmail.com (Mike) wrote in message
news:<7cfd37d2.0303120816.674abd1b@posting.google.com>...
> Please give me your advice on this question.
>
> I'm interested in learning " boxing skills. "
>
> When I say " Boxing Skills " I don't mean becoming a boxer.
> Nor do I intend to do any sparring at this point.
>
> I want to learn boxing skills as a way to increase my
> fitness level, develop some basic self-defense ability, and
> have an outlet to channel built-up aggressions from the
> everyday pressures of life.
>
> These are the things I want to learn.
>
> 1. How to throw all the different punches ( jab, hook,
> uppercut )
> 2. The Boxer's stance, positioning of arms, posture.
> 3. How to hit the heavy bag, speed bag, etc.
> 4. Some basic footwork
> 5. Boxing training methods
>
> Simply stated, I want to learn the mechanics of boxing
> training so that I can train like a boxer does. I plan on
> having 3 boxing training sessions a week or so. But I don't
> just want to buy a heavy bag and throw punches at it. I want
> to learn proper boxing technique and THEN begin boxing-type
> training by having 3 sessions a week or so where I do
> several rounds on the heavy bag, speed bag, jump rope,
> shadowbox, etc.
>
> Can the boxers here tell me what the BEST way is for me to
> proceed towards my goal ?
>
> Can I learn what I need out of a boxing book ?
>
> Or should I find a local boxer and pay him to give me
> lessons on the things I mentioned above ?
>
> Or should I try to find a boxing gym and see if someone
> there can work with me for a fee ?
>
> I would like to go to a boxing gym and learn these things.
>
> But would they allow me to work out there since I have no
> desire to spar or to become a competitive boxer ?
>
> If they do have that attitude, I can understand since it
> wouldn't be fair for me to take up a space that could be
> used by someone who is actually a boxer who trains for
> matches.
>
> So what would my best option be in learning how to develop
> boxing skills ?
>
> I appreciate all advice and insight on this. Thank you.

[Mike]

I don't believe that anyone who wants to learn boxing skills
but not spar is a " wuss. "


"Randy Shrader" <randyshrader@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:<DbJba.204131$na.7822329@news2.calgary.shaw.ca>...
> "Mike" <MrStrong65@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7cfd37d2.0303120816.674abd1b@posting.google.com...
> > Please give me your advice on this question.
> >
> > I'm interested in learning " boxing skills. "
> >
> > When I say " Boxing Skills " I don't mean becoming a
> > boxer. Nor do I intend to do any sparring at this point.
> >
> > I want to learn boxing skills as a way to increase my
> > fitness level, develop some basic self-defense ability,
> > and have an outlet to channel built-up aggressions from
> > the everyday pressures of life.
> >
> > These are the things I want to learn.
> >
> > 1. How to throw all the different punches ( jab, hook,
> > uppercut )
> > 2. The Boxer's stance, positioning of arms, posture.
> > 3. How to hit the heavy bag, speed bag, etc.
> > 4. Some basic footwork
> > 5. Boxing training methods
> >
> > Simply stated, I want to learn the mechanics of boxing
> > training so that I can train like a boxer does. I plan on
> > having 3 boxing training sessions a week or so. But I
> > don't just want to buy a heavy bag and throw punches at
> > it. I want to learn proper boxing technique and THEN begin
> > boxing-type training by having 3 sessions a week or so
> > where I do several rounds on the heavy bag, speed bag,
> > jump rope, shadowbox, etc.
> >
> > Can the boxers here tell me what the BEST way is for me to
> > proceed towards my goal ?
> >
> > Can I learn what I need out of a boxing book ?
> >
> > Or should I find a local boxer and pay him to give me
> > lessons on the things I mentioned above ?
> >
> > Or should I try to find a boxing gym and see if someone
> > there can work with me for a fee ?
> >
> > I would like to go to a boxing gym and learn these things.
> >
> > But would they allow me to work out there since I have no
> > desire to spar or to become a competitive boxer ?
> >
> > If they do have that attitude, I can understand since it
> > wouldn't be fair for me to take up a space that could be
> > used by someone who is actually a boxer who trains for
> > matches.
> >
> > So what would my best option be in learning how to develop
> > boxing skills ?
> >
> > I appreciate all advice and insight on this. Thank you.
>
> I suspect that if you go to a "real" boxing gym and say you
> want to learn technique but not spar, they'll call you a big
> wuss. A Boxercise-type class might be a better option.
>
> Randy

[Mike]

I'm not saying that learning boxing skills without sparring
would give me outstanding self-defense skills to handle any
situation. I'm just saying that learning boxing skills will
HELP in this regard.

It can't hurt to know how to throw good punches and have good
footwork and eye-hand coordination.

And I'm not saying I'd NEVER spar, but right now I'm really
just interested in developing boxing skills.

khobman@sasktel.net (Keith Hobman) wrote in message
news:<khobman-1203031033590001@192.168.0.2>...
> In article
> <7cfd37d2.0303120816.674abd1b@posting.google.com>,
> MrStrong65@hotmail.com (Mike) wrote:
>
> > Please give me your advice on this question.
> >
> > I'm interested in learning " boxing skills. "
> >
> > When I say " Boxing Skills " I don't mean becoming a
> > boxer. Nor do I intend to do any sparring at this point.
> >
> > I want to learn boxing skills as a way to increase my
> > fitness level, develop some basic self-defense ability,
> > and have an outlet to channel built-up aggressions from
> > the everyday pressures of life.
> >
> > These are the things I want to learn.
> >
> > 1. How to throw all the different punches ( jab, hook,
> > uppercut )
> > 2. The Boxer's stance, positioning of arms, posture.
> > 3. How to hit the heavy bag, speed bag, etc.
> > 4. Some basic footwork
> > 5. Boxing training methods
> >
> > Simply stated, I want to learn the mechanics of boxing
> > training so that I can train like a boxer does. I plan on
> > having 3 boxing training sessions a week or so. But I
> > don't just want to buy a heavy bag and throw punches at
> > it. I want to learn proper boxing technique and THEN begin
> > boxing-type training by having 3 sessions a week or so
> > where I do several rounds on the heavy bag, speed bag,
> > jump rope, shadowbox, etc.
> >
> > Can the boxers here tell me what the BEST way is for me to
> > proceed towards my goal ?
> >
> > Can I learn what I need out of a boxing book ?
> >
> > Or should I find a local boxer and pay him to give me
> > lessons on the things I mentioned above ?
> >
> > Or should I try to find a boxing gym and see if someone
> > there can work with me for a fee ?
> >
> > I would like to go to a boxing gym and learn these things.
> >
> > But would they allow me to work out there since I have no
> > desire to spar or to become a competitive boxer ?
>
> I boxed as a kid. You can't learn to box without sparring.
> Simple as that. You can learn to throw a punch, but you
> can't learn to box. Recognition and countering are crucial
> skills that have to be developed through sparring. As well
> you learn to slip and absorb a punch through sparring. I saw
> it time and time again in karate where they would develop
> great skills, but not learn to take it and then someone
> would land something and you'd watch the person fall apart.
>
> If you want to learn to throw punches and various
> combinations go to a boxing gym. However, you aren't
> going to get much respect there if you don't have the
> brass to spar.
>
> In terms of self-defense boxing is of limited value. If the
> person who you are facing has any grappling skills at all
> you'll end up on the floor. If you are talking about winning
> a few bar fights than you are probably on the right track.
> OTOH, this is also fraught with danger. The other person may
> have a weapon or wait for you outside with their vehicle or
> whatever and even though you won the brawl you lose the war.

[Mike]

Chris, you began learning boxing at 35 ?

I'm in my early 30s too. Were you one of the older ones at
the place ?

Were you able to get personalized instruction one-on-one ?

Chris Moorehead <cmoorehead@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:<MPG.18d950c9254a28589897b4@News.CIS.DFN.DE>...
> In article
> <7cfd37d2.0303120816.674abd1b@posting.google.com>,
> MrStrong65 @hotmail.com says...
> > Please give me your advice on this question.
> >
> > I'm interested in learning " boxing skills. "
> >
> > When I say " Boxing Skills " I don't mean becoming a
> > boxer. Nor do I intend to do any sparring at this point.
> >
> > I want to learn boxing skills as a way to increase my
> > fitness level, develop some basic self-defense ability,
> > and have an outlet to channel built-up aggressions from
> > the everyday pressures of life.
> >
> > These are the things I want to learn.
> >
> > 1. How to throw all the different punches ( jab, hook,
> > uppercut )
> > 2. The Boxer's stance, positioning of arms, posture.
> > 3. How to hit the heavy bag, speed bag, etc.
> > 4. Some basic footwork
> > 5. Boxing training methods
> >
> > Simply stated, I want to learn the mechanics of boxing
> > training so that I can train like a boxer does. I plan on
> > having 3 boxing training sessions a week or so. But I
> > don't just want to buy a heavy bag and throw punches at
> > it. I want to learn proper boxing technique and THEN begin
> > boxing-type training by having 3 sessions a week or so
> > where I do several rounds on the heavy bag, speed bag,
> > jump rope, shadowbox, etc.
> >
> > Can the boxers here tell me what the BEST way is for me to
> > proceed towards my goal ?
> >
> > Can I learn what I need out of a boxing book ?
> >
> > Or should I find a local boxer and pay him to give me
> > lessons on the things I mentioned above ?
> >
> > Or should I try to find a boxing gym and see if someone
> > there can work with me for a fee ?
> >
> > I would like to go to a boxing gym and learn these things.
> >
> > But would they allow me to work out there since I have no
> > desire to spar or to become a competitive boxer ?
> >
> > If they do have that attitude, I can understand since it
> > wouldn't be fair for me to take up a space that could be
> > used by someone who is actually a boxer who trains for
> > matches.
> >
> > So what would my best option be in learning how to develop
> > boxing skills ?
> >
> > I appreciate all advice and insight on this. Thank you.
> >
>
> Many boxing gyms have "boxer's workout" classes for people
> who want to go through the motions of the physical
> conditioning but don't want to spar. It doesn't hurt to
> check out the local gyms & ask. If you get attitude, it's
> probably not a place you'd want to join even if you were
> planning on fighting competitively.
>
> I was at the first boxing gym I ever joined for only six
> months (the owner had a stroke & had to close), but the
> owner was so patient with newbies that I became hooked. At
> first, I didn't think I wanted to spar, either, but I
> eventually got to the point where I wanted to fight
> competitively. Alas, being over 35 confined me to the
> master's class, on the rare occasions that there was one.
>
> Remember, when sparring the hard part isn't getting hit --
> your adrenaline level is usually so high that you don't even
> feel it until later. The hard part is to keep moving for the
> entire round without collapsing -- three minutes seems like
> an eternity!
>
> Good luck...
>
> Chris
>
> --
> CHRISTOPHER J. MOOREHEAD Toronto, Canada
> cmoorehead@attglobal.net
>
> "As matter of fact, an important class divide falls between
> those who feel veneration before the term "executive", and
> those who feel like throwing up." ~ Paul Fussell, "Class"

[Mike]

Thanks very much for the advice, Jacob.

I appreciate it.

"Jacob Andersen" <duk@glem.det> wrote in message
news:<3e6fcd7f$0$7583$ba624c82@nntp02.dk.telia.net>...
> "Mike" <MrStrong65@hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:7cfd37d2.0303120816.674abd1b@posting.google.com...
> > Please give me your advice on this question.
> >
> > I'm interested in learning " boxing skills. "
> >
> > When I say " Boxing Skills " I don't mean becoming a
> > boxer. Nor do I intend to do any sparring at this point.
> >
> > I want to learn boxing skills as a way to increase my
> > fitness level, develop some basic self-defense ability,
> > and have an outlet to channel built-up aggressions from
> > the everyday pressures of life.
>
> You can get all of that without sparring, but to be able to
> do well in any kind of fight where you don't throw the first
> punch you'll need some sparring. Don't exclude it totally.
>
> > These are the things I want to learn.
> >
> > 1. How to throw all the different punches ( jab, hook,
> > uppercut )
> > 2. The Boxer's stance, positioning of arms, posture.
> > 3. How to hit the heavy bag, speed bag, etc.
> > 4. Some basic footwork
> > 5. Boxing training methods
> >
> > Simply stated, I want to learn the mechanics of boxing
> > training so that I can train like a boxer does. I plan on
> > having 3 boxing training sessions a week or so. But I
> > don't just want to buy a heavy bag and throw punches at
> > it. I want to learn proper boxing technique and THEN begin
> > boxing-type training by having 3 sessions a week or so
> > where I do several rounds on the heavy bag, speed bag,
> > jump rope, shadowbox, etc.
> >
> > Can the boxers here tell me what the BEST way is for me to
> > proceed towards my goal ?
>
> Join a boxing gym, they won't tell you to spar unless
> you want to. At least in Denmark lots of boxing gyms
> have "fitness teams" that'll teach you *exactly* what
> you're after.
>
> > Can I learn what I need out of a boxing book ?
>
> Probably not as well as if you were to join a club. That
> said there are books out there.
>
> > Or should I find a local boxer and pay him to give me
> > lessons on the things I mentioned above ?
> >
> > Or should I try to find a boxing gym and see if someone
> > there can work with me for a fee ?
>
> I think you should. You'll be able to find the best
> instruction in such a place probably. The two boxing gyms
> near me are run much like other MA schools and have an
> instructor that teaches on set times and you pay to be a
> member. That may be different from standard practice in the
> states, but still a real boxing gym should have more people
> qualified to teach.
>
> >
> > I would like to go to a boxing gym and learn these things.
> >
> > But would they allow me to work out there since I have no
> > desire to spar or to become a competitive boxer ?
> >
> > If they do have that attitude, I can understand since it
> > wouldn't be fair for me to take up a space that could be
> > used by someone who is actually a boxer who trains for
> > matches.
>
> I don't think it'll be a problem, but you'll probably have
> to pay for membership of course.
>
> > So what would my best option be in learning how to develop
> > boxing skills ?
> >
> > I appreciate all advice and insight on this. Thank you.
>
> The *best* place would probably be a boxing gym as stated,
> but if that's not possible, try to get som privates with a
> fairly good boxer.
>
> /Jacob (and do sparring, it's fun and challenging, and will
> enable you to actually *do* the things you learn)

[Mike]

I sound like I have money ?

Not !

I'm not rich and don't make a lot of money, but I live
frugally enough that I can afford to spend a little money on
something like " boxing lessons. "

It's all a matter of priorities I guess. If something is
important enough to me, and do what I can to GET the
money for it.

Look at this link I found on the net. This place is not in my
area, but it pretty much approximates what I'm looking for.

http://www.accessny.com/kingsway/page2.html

Thunder9_NOSPAM@dsemail.net wrote in message
news:<56qu6vch333jhsffin0isbjtb0se953l4t@4ax.com>...
> On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:25:07 GMT, "Randy Shrader"
> <randyshrader@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Mike" <MrStrong65@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:7cfd37d2.0303120816.674abd1b@posting.google.com...
> >> Please give me your advice on this question.
> >>
> >> I'm interested in learning " boxing skills. "
> >>
> >> When I say " Boxing Skills " I don't mean becoming a
> >> boxer. Nor do I intend to do any sparring at this point.
>
> [snip]
>
> >> I would like to go to a boxing gym and learn these
> >> things.
> >>
> >> But would they allow me to work out there since I have no
> >> desire to spar or to become a competitive boxer ?
> >>
> >> If they do have that attitude, I can understand since it
> >> wouldn't be fair for me to take up a space that could be
> >> used by someone who is actually a boxer who trains for
> >> matches.
> >>
> >> So what would my best option be in learning how to
> >> develop boxing skills ?
> >>
> >> I appreciate all advice and insight on this. Thank you.
> >
> >I suspect that if you go to a "real" boxing gym and say you
> >want to learn technique but not spar, they'll call you a
> >big wuss. A Boxercise-type class might be a better option.
> >
>
> I suspect that money will talk, regardless of your goals. If
> you go to a weight lifting gym and only work out on the
> machines, the strength trainers might think you're a wuss,
> but who gives a flying f?
>
> Besides, I suspect the people training there would be more
> interested and focused on their own training than worrying
> about what other people are doing (or not doing).
>
> You only have one life. It sounds like you got the money and
> want to hook up with a real trainer. Go do it, ya big wuss!
>
> Thunder9
>
> NOSPAM is antispam

[Mike]

I'm suspicious of boxercise-type classes. They have one at my
local fitness center but I don't believe that students are
given a good grounding in technique.

As all you boxing guys surely know, it's important to not
learn bad habits up front. It's important to learn proper
technique first.

That's why I'll probably end up at a boxing gym if I can find
one that will allow me to realize my goal.


Ghost of Lyle <lylemcd@onr.com> wrote in message
news:<3E6F79D3.7C3B1439@onr.com>...
> Randy Shrader wrote:
> >
> > "Mike" <MrStrong65@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:7cfd37d2.0303120816.674abd1b@posting.google.com...
> > > Please give me your advice on this question.
> > >
> > > I'm interested in learning " boxing skills. "
> > >
> > > When I say " Boxing Skills " I don't mean becoming a
> > > boxer. Nor do I intend to do any sparring at this point.
> > >
> > > I want to learn boxing skills as a way to increase my
> > > fitness level, develop some basic self-defense ability,
> > > and have an outlet to channel built-up aggressions from
> > > the everyday pressures of life.
> > >
> > > These are the things I want to learn.
> > >
> > > 1. How to throw all the different punches ( jab, hook,
> > > uppercut )
> > > 2. The Boxer's stance, positioning of arms, posture.
> > > 3. How to hit the heavy bag, speed bag, etc.
> > > 4. Some basic footwork
> > > 5. Boxing training methods
> > >
> > > Simply stated, I want to learn the mechanics of boxing
> > > training so that I can train like a boxer does. I plan
> > > on having 3 boxing training sessions a week or so. But I
> > > don't just want to buy a heavy bag and throw punches at
> > > it. I want to learn proper boxing technique and THEN
> > > begin boxing-type training by having 3 sessions a week
> > > or so where I do several rounds on the heavy bag, speed
> > > bag, jump rope, shadowbox, etc.
> > >
> > > Can the boxers here tell me what the BEST way is for me
> > > to proceed towards my goal ?
> > >
> > > Can I learn what I need out of a boxing book ?
> > >
> > > Or should I find a local boxer and pay him to give me
> > > lessons on the things I mentioned above ?
> > >
> > > Or should I try to find a boxing gym and see if someone
> > > there can work with me for a fee ?
> > >
> > > I would like to go to a boxing gym and learn these
> > > things.
> > >
> > > But would they allow me to work out there since I have
> > > no desire to spar or to become a competitive boxer ?
> > >
> > > If they do have that attitude, I can understand since it
> > > wouldn't be fair for me to take up a space that could be
> > > used by someone who is actually a boxer who trains for
> > > matches.
> > >
> > > So what would my best option be in learning how to
> > > develop boxing skills ?
> > >
> > > I appreciate all advice and insight on this. Thank you.
> >
> > I suspect that if you go to a "real" boxing gym and say
> > you want to learn technique but not spar, they'll call you
> > a big wuss. A Boxercise-type class might be a better
> > option.
>
> And Boxercise is somehow LESS wussy...
>
> Lyle's ghost

[Jacob Ande]

"Mike" <MrStrong65@hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
news:7cfd37d2.0303130927.7dffc6c5@posting.google.com...
> I don't believe that anyone who wants to learn boxing skills
> but not spar
is a
> " wuss. "

Yet it is true... (seriously you should spar, it's fun)

/Jacob

[Mike]

Thanks, Jack.

Appreciate the advice

"Jack" <Jack@myshortsatt.net> wrote in message
news:<qkLba.55$Kc5.8737@news2.east.cox.net>...
> Finally, a question I can answer...
>
> Jump ship?? Nah...once the guy sees that he's developed the
> skills to handle himself in the ring, he will jump right in.
> It happens by osmosis(?). You work out at the gym, freak out
> for the first few months until you get comfortable there,
> see that most people don't get their ass kicked, then decide
> to give it a shot in the ring.
>
> Trust me, no one really cares what you are doing, how you
> look doing it, etc. Training takes too much concentration.
> You get a smart trainer who knows when you are ready, then
> get in there. Your trainer is not going to let you get a
> beating, (or give one). Take a deep breath, and spar. It
> will do wonders for your self-confidence. Its hard, but well
> worth the effort. BTW, getting punched in a ring is nothing
> personal. That's what you are there for.
>
> Do the rest of the world a favor. Let's outlaw boxercise,
> and those lame kickercise classes too.
>
> "aj" <ajslaterNOSPAM@attbi.com> wrote in message
> news:1047487801.298070@oak...
> > In article
> > <7cfd37d2.0303120816.674abd1b@posting.google.com>, Mike
> > wrote: <snip I want to learn to box but am askeered of
> > getting hit>
> >
> >
> > 1. Get a boxing trainer and work up to actually boxing.
> >
> > or
> >
> > 2. Go take some gym-bunny boxercise class.
> >
> > or
> >
> >3. You could start learning the basics with a real trainer
> > and
> > then jump ship when the sparring actually starts.
> >
> > --
> > -aj

[Mike]

Krista, did you box for awhile ?

How did you go about learning it ?

Did you train at a boxing gym ?

"Mistress Krista" <mistresskrista@stumptuous.com*rem0vethis*>
wrote in message news:<m2_ba.110670$em1.36118@news04.bloor.is-
.net.cable.rogers.com>...
> "Jacob Andersen" <duk@glem.det> wrote in message
> news:3e6fcd7f$0$7583$ba624c82@nntp02.dk.telia.net...
> > "Mike" <MrStrong65@hotmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
> > news:7cfd37d2.0303120816.674abd1b@posting.google.com...
> > > Please give me your advice on this question.
> > >
> > > I'm interested in learning " boxing skills. "
> > >
> > > When I say " Boxing Skills " I don't mean becoming a
> > > boxer. Nor do I intend to do any sparring at this point.
> > >
> > > I want to learn boxing skills as a way to increase my
> > > fitness level, develop some basic self-defense ability,
> > > and have an outlet to channel built-up aggressions from
> > > the everyday pressures of life.
> >
> > You can get all of that without sparring, but to be able
> > to do well in any kind of fight where you don't throw the
> > first punch you'll need some sparring. Don't exclude it
> > totally.
>
>
> Agreed. When you learn technique you'll learn it because
> someone says it's the right thing to do. Then when you spar
> you'll realize it's good technique because, for example, it
> keeps you from getting punched in the face as much as
> possible. After the first time I sparred I had an excellent
> experiential memory cue to keep my hands up and chin down.
> (the guy who reminded me hopefully now also has a little
> mnemonic of his own about watching out for gut shots)
>
>
> Krista

[Seth Breid]

In article <3E6F8CA7.40A348F9@onr.com>, Ghost of Lyle
<lylemcd@onr.com> wrote:

>Initiating global find-replace algorithm 5 read WD$ 10 If WD$
>= 'polite' then goto 30 20 goto 10 30 replace 'polite' with
>nice 40 kick Hoff in the head 50 end
>
>Lyle's ghost

How much can it hurt to get kicked in the head by a ghost?

Seth
--
There's no amount of rudeness in the world that can not be
cured by the judicious application of extreme violence. --
Roland Lee

[Lucas Buck]

On 13 Mar 2003 14:52:41 -0500, sethb@panix.com (Seth
Breidbart) wrote:

>In article <3E6F8CA7.40A348F9@onr.com>, Ghost of Lyle
><lylemcd@onr.com> wrote:
>
>>Initiating global find-replace algorithm 5 read WD$ 10 If
>>WD$ = 'polite' then goto 30 20 goto 10 30 replace 'polite'
>>with nice 40 kick Hoff in the head 50 end
>>
>>Lyle's ghost
>
>How much can it hurt to get kicked in the head by a ghost?
>
>Seth

Ghostly or not, would _you_ want his hairy foot passing
through _your_ brain?

[Chris Moor]

In article <7cfd37d2.0303131300.5c572a9b@posting.google.com>,
MrStrong65 @hotmail.com says...
> Chris, you began learning boxing at 35 ?
>
> I'm in my early 30s too. Were you one of the older ones at
> the place ?
>
> Were you able to get personalized instruction one-on-one ?

I was around 35 when I started, maybe 34. While I may have
been in the top half, age-wise, I was nowhere near being
THE oldest.

My first trainer was very interested in popularizing the sport
& getting rid of its unsavoury image, so he was very keen on
teaching anyone who wanted to learn, whether you wanted to
fight competitively or just do the workout. And this was no
"fashion gym" -- it was the old Lansdowne Boxing Club in
Toronto, where George Chuvalo trained much of his career.
Since I used to come to the gym at odd hours, I generally got
one-on-one training all the time.

After my trainer had a stroke & closed the club, I moved to
the Cabbagetown Boxing Club in downtown Toronto, which trained
both competitive fighters & professional types who just wanted
the workout. They had a really good deal -- the (quite
reasonable) monthly cost covered two classes a week, part of
which was one-on-one training & part a training "circuit" they
had developed. In addition, you could come in & practice on
your own any time you liked. It had a weight room as well. If
you were really keen you could always move from the "yuppie
track" (as I called it) to the "competition track".

After I moved to North Carolina, I joined a gym that trained
mostly competitive fighters, but they had no problem with me
being there. Now that I'm back in Toronto, I'm looking for
another gym -- I may go back to Cabbagetown, but I now live in
a completely different part of town, so it's less convenient.

A good trainer will not take a novice into the ring & beat on
him/her, so avoid anyone who thinks this is a good "learning
technique". If you want to spar, they'll tell you when you're
ready. And remember, your money is as good as any one else's,
so don't be afraid to ask for more one-on-one training. At the
very least, make sure your trainer is walking around & giving
tips on form & technique when you're hitting the heavy bag.
And don't worry if your trainer doesn't put you on the speed
bag -- a lot of trainers don't believe in using it at all.

Although you can't really learn boxing on your own, there's a
lot you can do on your own, conditioning-wise. Most
importantly, start running regularly & learn how to use that
instrument of torture known as the jump rope! Ultimately, you
want to be able to follow the timing of an actual fight --
three minutes on, one minute off, & repeat.

Let me know what you end up doing -- & good luck!

Chris

--
CHRISTOPHER J. MOOREHEAD Toronto, Canada
cmoorehead@attglobal.net

"A judge is a law student who marks his own examination
papers." ~ Henry Louis Mencken (1880-1956)

[Mistress K]

"Mike" <MrStrong65@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7cfd37d2.0303131304.149eed56@posting.google.com...
> Krista, did you box for awhile ?

Nope, still learning, still suck very much. :)

>
> How did you go about learning it ?

I took a few technique courses with a coach.

>
> Did you train at a boxing gym ?
>
>

The first time I did, yep, and that was cool. It was an old
skoole boxing gym, all grubby and dirtbally, no A/C in July,
that kind of thing. The instructor was a teeny woman who was
apparently one of the top female boxers in the region. The
last two courses have been at my gym with a guy who, they tell
me, is also a former elite level boxer. Both times have been
great fun. Even if you never box competitively (and I never
will), it's great to learn the technique and the skills,
because then you can practise on your own just for fun. For
example you'll know how to hit a heavy bag properly and
incorporate it into your workout. You can spar lightly with
someone. It's a useful set of fitness skills to know, because
it's a nice conditioning workout and it expands your
repertoire.

Krista

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[Lee Michae]

"Mistress Krista" <mistresskrista@stumptuous.com*rem0vethis*>
wrote in message news:Nwjca.28326$a41.11696@news01.bloor.is.n-
et.cable.rogers.com...
>
> "Mike" <MrStrong65@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7cfd37d2.0303131304.149eed56@posting.google.com...
> > Krista, did you box for awhile ?
>
>
> Nope, still learning, still suck very much. :)
>
> >
> > How did you go about learning it ?
>
>
> I took a few technique courses with a coach.
>
> >
> > Did you train at a boxing gym ?
> >
> >
>
> The first time I did, yep, and that was cool. It was an old
> skoole boxing gym, all grubby and dirtbally, no A/C in July,
> that kind of thing. The instructor was a teeny woman who was
> apparently one of the top female
boxers
> in the region. The last two courses have been at my gym with
> a guy who, they tell me, is also a former elite level boxer.
> Both times have been great fun. Even if you never box
> competitively (and I never will), it's great to learn the
> technique and the skills, because then you can practise on
> your own just for fun. For example you'll know how to hit a
> heavy bag properly and incorporate it into your workout. You
> can spar lightly with someone. It's a useful set of fitness
> skills to know, because it's a nice conditioning workout and
> it expands your repertoire.
>

And it nicely fleshs out that Mistress image-mysitique.

[Mistress K]

"Chris Moorehead" <cmoorehead@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.18dbb46270a1cb079897b6@News.CIS.DFN.DE...
> After I moved to North Carolina, I joined a gym that trained
> mostly competitive fighters, but they had no problem with me
> being there. Now that I'm back in Toronto, I'm looking for
> another gym -- I may go back to Cabbagetown, but I now live
> in a completely different part of town, so it's less
> convenient.
>

Here's what I've come up with. I've checked into prices with
Florida Jack's and a year's membership is incredibly pricey,
probably because they cater to a more downtown market with
their location. Let me know if any of these other ones are
good because I'm considering finding a boxing gym too. Sully's
was recently featured in a documentary about women's
boxing---they have a couple of top instructors who used to box
at the (inter)national level.

Atlas Boxing Centre Phone: (416)240-0269 840 St Clair Avenue
West, Toronto, ON M6C 1C1

Bloor Street Boxing Gym Phone: (416)535-2699 2295 Dundas
Street West, Toronto, ON M6R 1X6

Florida Jack's Boxing Club Phone: (416)921-5225 782 Yonge
Street, Toronto, ON M4Y 2B6

KO King Boxing Club Phone: (416)332-1013 1116 Dundas Street
East, Toronto, ON M4M 1S1

Sully's Boxing & Athletic Club Phone: (416)534-8723 21 Wade
Avenue, Toronto, ON M6H 1P4 (Bloor and Lansdowne area)

Krista

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[Mike]

Chris, I can't thank you enough for the very good advice and
also for the encouragement and inspiration that your posts
have provided for
me.

Thanks so much !

You've been very helpful to me.

Chris Moorehead <cmoorehead@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:<MPG.18dbb46270a1cb079897b6@News.CIS.DFN.DE>...
> In article
> <7cfd37d2.0303131300.5c572a9b@posting.google.com>,
> MrStrong65 @hotmail.com says...
> > Chris, you began learning boxing at 35 ?
> >
> > I'm in my early 30s too. Were you one of the older ones at
> > the place ?
> >
> > Were you able to get personalized instruction one-on-one ?
>
> I was around 35 when I started, maybe 34. While I may have
> been in the top half, age-wise, I was nowhere near being
> THE oldest.
>
> My first trainer was very interested in popularizing the
> sport & getting rid of its unsavoury image, so he was very
> keen on teaching anyone who wanted to learn, whether you
> wanted to fight competitively or just do the workout. And
> this was no "fashion gym" -- it was the old Lansdowne Boxing
> Club in Toronto, where George Chuvalo trained much of his
> career. Since I used to come to the gym at odd hours, I
> generally got one-on-one training all the time.
>
> After my trainer had a stroke & closed the club, I moved to
> the Cabbagetown Boxing Club in downtown Toronto, which
> trained both competitive fighters & professional types who
> just wanted the workout. They had a really good deal -- the
> (quite reasonable) monthly cost covered two classes a week,
> part of which was one-on-one training & part a training
> "circuit" they had developed. In addition, you could come
> in & practice on your own any time you liked. It had a
> weight room as well. If you were really keen you could
> always move from the "yuppie track" (as I called it) to the
> "competition track".
>
> After I moved to North Carolina, I joined a gym that trained
> mostly competitive fighters, but they had no problem with me
> being there. Now that I'm back in Toronto, I'm looking for
> another gym -- I may go back to Cabbagetown, but I now live
> in a completely different part of town, so it's less
> convenient.
>
> A good trainer will not take a novice into the ring & beat
> on him/her, so avoid anyone who thinks this is a good
> "learning technique". If you want to spar, they'll tell you
> when you're ready. And remember, your money is as good as
> any one else's, so don't be afraid to ask for more
> one-on-one training. At the very least, make sure your
> trainer is walking around & giving tips on form & technique
> when you're hitting the heavy bag. And don't worry if your
> trainer doesn't put you on the speed bag -- a lot of
> trainers don't believe in using it at all.
>
> Although you can't really learn boxing on your own, there's
> a lot you can do on your own, conditioning-wise. Most
> importantly, start running regularly & learn how to use that
> instrument of torture known as the jump rope! Ultimately,
> you want to be able to follow the timing of an actual fight
> -- three minutes on, one minute off, & repeat.
>
> Let me know what you end up doing -- & good luck!
>
> Chris

[Mike]

Thank you for all your advice, Mistress Krista. I appreciate
your insight.

"Mistress Krista" <mistresskrista@stumptuous.com*rem0vethis*>
wrote in message news:<Nwjca.28326$a41.11696@news01.bloor.is.-
net.cable.rogers.com>...
> "Mike" <MrStrong65@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7cfd37d2.0303131304.149eed56@posting.google.com...
> > Krista, did you box for awhile ?
>
>
> Nope, still learning, still suck very much. :)
>
> >
> > How did you go about learning it ?
>
>
> I took a few technique courses with a coach.
>
> >
> > Did you train at a boxing gym ?
> >
> >
>
> The first time I did, yep, and that was cool. It was an old
> skoole boxing gym, all grubby and dirtbally, no A/C in July,
> that kind of thing. The instructor was a teeny woman who was
> apparently one of the top female boxers in the region. The
> last two courses have been at my gym with a guy who, they
> tell me, is also a former elite level boxer. Both times have
> been great fun. Even if you never box competitively (and I
> never will), it's great to learn the technique and the
> skills, because then you can practise on your own just for
> fun. For example you'll know how to hit a heavy bag properly
> and incorporate it into your workout. You can spar lightly
> with someone. It's a useful set of fitness skills to know,
> because it's a nice conditioning workout and it expands your
> repertoire.
>
>
> Krista

[Mike]

Krista, I've read various messages from you and checked out
your site. Very nice site.

Since you believe in boxing training, and you also train with
weights, I would be happy to get your opinion on a boxing
training/weight training question I have.

After a layoff from weight lifting, I'm about to begin a
strength training program again. I've been reading Stuart
McRobert's hardgainer book and my routine with the weights
will be no more than 2 days a week.

I'm hoping to do boxing type training 2-3 times a week that
will incorporate the boxing drills we discussed and also some
jump roping for cardio and stamina work.

My biggest question is how to design the type of program I'm
attempting to setup.

For instance, if I weight train two days a week and do boxing
training two days a week, what is the best way to set up a
program that maximizes the benefits of both.

My weight training workouts would only involve around 8-12
WORK sets at maximum. And these workouts will only be done
TWICE a week.

So I'm not going to be doing a TON of weight training.

But in terms of recovery, and in terms of the placement of
the boxing training and weight training in my program, what
do you suggest ?

One thing I don't plan on doing is any boxing training the
day after a weight training session. So that leaves either
doing boxing training on the same day as weight workout or on
a day in between my weight workouts but not the day after a
weight workout.

What do you suggest ?


"Mistress Krista" <mistresskrista@stumptuous.com*rem0vethis*>
wrote in message news:<Nwjca.28326$a41.11696@news01.bloor.is.-
net.cable.rogers.com>...
> "Mike" <MrStrong65@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7cfd37d2.0303131304.149eed56@posting.google.com...
> > Krista, did you box for awhile ?
>
>
> Nope, still learning, still suck very much. :)
>
> >
> > How did you go about learning it ?
>
>
> I took a few technique courses with a coach.
>
> >
> > Did you train at a boxing gym ?
> >
> >
>
> The first time I did, yep, and that was cool. It was an old
> skoole boxing gym, all grubby and dirtbally, no A/C in July,
> that kind of thing. The instructor was a teeny woman who was
> apparently one of the top female boxers in the region. The
> last two courses have been at my gym with a guy who, they
> tell me, is also a former elite level boxer. Both times have
> been great fun. Even if you never box competitively (and I
> never will), it's great to learn the technique and the
> skills, because then you can practise on your own just for
> fun. For example you'll know how to hit a heavy bag properly
> and incorporate it into your workout. You can spar lightly
> with someone. It's a useful set of fitness skills to know,
> because it's a nice conditioning workout and it expands your
> repertoire.
>
>
> Krista

[Mistress K]

"Mike" <MrStrong65@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7cfd37d2.0303161415.145a4e17@posting.google.com...
>
> I'm hoping to do boxing type training 2-3 times a week that
> will incorporate the boxing drills we discussed and also
> some jump roping for cardio and stamina work.
>
> My biggest question is how to design the type of program I'm
> attempting to setup.
>

OK, well, here's how I set up a training program based on
boxing, weights, and conditioning. Days 1 and 3 were
heavier weights days. Days 2 and 4 were
speed-conditioning-technique days.

Day 1 and 3 would be composed of basic, compound exercises.
There'd be approx.1 squatting type exercise, 1-2 pushing
exercises, 1-2 pulling exercises. This could be periodized
(eg. week 1 @ 60%, week 2 @ 65%, week 3 @ 70%, etc.) or simply
left within a particular percentage/rep range (say, 6-8 or
whatever).

Days 2 and 4 would be a variety of things. One day was
straight boxing; this would be the day of my class and my
instructor would pretty much kick our asses for an hour, so
any additional activity besides lying on the floor would be
out of the question. On the other day, I would do a circuit of
something like this:

-jump rope 30-60 sec -walking lunges, 15-20 steps -jump rope,
as above -1-hand dumbbell snatch, 15-20 reps -jump rope
-pushups, 15-20 or so -jump rope -squat thrusts -jump rope
-dumbbell swing, 15-20 reps -jump rope -unweighted squats, as
many as I could do

I'd go through this a couple of times. Then I'd follow it up
with heavy bag work and some technique drills. On this day you
could also do explosive stuff like pause squats or pause
benches, or medicine ball throws.

Krista

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[Chris Moor]

In article <7cfd37d2.0303161421.2d4542f6@posting.google.com>,
MrStrong65 @hotmail.com says...

> Chris, I can't thank you enough for the very good advice and
> also for the encouragement and inspiration that your posts
> have provided for
> me.
>
> Thanks so much !
>
> You've been very helpful to me.

Glad to have been of assistance for a change. And I'm also
happy to have been able to post something that was
actually on topic!

BTW, Krista's routine is very similar to the stuff I've done.
But beware that medicine ball! Ugh!

Chris

--
CHRISTOPHER J. MOOREHEAD Toronto, Canada
cmoorehead@attglobal.net

"Some cause happiness wherever they go; others, whenever they
go." ~ Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)

[Mike]

Chris, Krista, are there any supplies that I would need to buy
on my own for use in a boxing-type training program ?

For instance, would I bring my own bag gloves or do gyms
provide something like this ?

Chris Moorehead <cmoorehead@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:<MPG.18dee8e39ebc801a9897c1@News.CIS.DFN.DE>...
> In article
> <7cfd37d2.0303161421.2d4542f6@posting.google.com>,
> MrStrong65 @hotmail.com says...
>
> > Chris, I can't thank you enough for the very good advice
> > and also for the encouragement and inspiration that your
> > posts have provided for
> > me.
> >
> > Thanks so much !
> >
> > You've been very helpful to me.
>
> Glad to have been of assistance for a change. And I'm also
> happy to have been able to post something that was actually
> on topic!
>
> BTW, Krista's routine is very similar to the stuff I've
> done. But beware that medicine ball! Ugh!
>
> Chris

[Mike]

Krista, thank you for examining my question.

One question, what about rest days ?

For instance, in a seven-day week, would days 1 and 3 be on a
Monday and Wednesday and days 2 and 4 be on a Tues and
Thursday ?

Thanks


"Mistress Krista" <mistresskrista@stumptuous.com*rem0vethis*>
wrote in message news:<L77da.265057$UXa.137717@news02.bloor.i-
s.net.cable.rogers.com>...
> "Mike" <MrStrong65@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7cfd37d2.0303161415.145a4e17@posting.google.com...
> >
> > I'm hoping to do boxing type training 2-3 times a week
> > that will incorporate the boxing drills we discussed and
> > also some jump roping for cardio and stamina work.
> >
> > My biggest question is how to design the type of program
> > I'm attempting to setup.
> >
>
>
> OK, well, here's how I set up a training program based on
> boxing, weights, and conditioning. Days 1 and 3 were
> heavier weights days. Days 2 and 4 were
> speed-conditioning-technique days.
>
> Day 1 and 3 would be composed of basic, compound exercises.
> There'd be approx.1 squatting type exercise, 1-2 pushing
> exercises, 1-2 pulling exercises. This could be periodized
> (eg. week 1 @ 60%, week 2 @ 65%, week 3 @ 70%, etc.) or
> simply left within a particular percentage/rep range (say,
> 6-8 or whatever).
>
> Days 2 and 4 would be a variety of things. One day was
> straight boxing; this would be the day of my class and my
> instructor would pretty much kick our asses for an hour, so
> any additional activity besides lying on the floor would be
> out of the question. On the other day, I would do a circuit
> of something like this:
>
> -jump rope 30-60 sec -walking lunges, 15-20 steps -jump
> rope, as above -1-hand dumbbell snatch, 15-20 reps -jump
> rope -pushups, 15-20 or so -jump rope -squat thrusts -jump
> rope -dumbbell swing, 15-20 reps -jump rope -unweighted
> squats, as many as I could do
>
> I'd go through this a couple of times. Then I'd follow it up
> with heavy bag work and some technique drills. On this day
> you could also do explosive stuff like pause squats or pause
> benches, or medicine ball throws.
>
>
> Krista

[Jacob Ande]

In article <7cfd37d2.0303171040.31a4974a@posting.google.com>,
MrStrong65 @hotmail.com says...
> Chris, Krista, are there any supplies that I would need to
> buy on my own for use in a boxing-type training program ?
>
> For instance, would I bring my own bag gloves or do gyms
> provide something like this ?

You'll probably have to buy some, but it's fairly likely that
they have some loaners you can use the first couple of times.

/Jacob

[Chris Moor]

In article <7cfd37d2.0303171040.31a4974a@posting.google.com>,
MrStrong65 @hotmail.com says...
> Chris, Krista, are there any supplies that I would need to
> buy on my own for use in a boxing-type training program ?
>
> For instance, would I bring my own bag gloves or do gyms
> provide something like this ?

You'll definitely want your own wraps -- "club" wraps are
usually disgusting! If you can find them, get the so-called
"Mexican" wraps, which are longer & slightly stretchy. I
would also advise you get your own jump rope. Get one that
you can trim to the proper length for your height -- you
don't want to be using a rope that's too long or too short.
Otherwise, the only real requirement is shoes that you can
run comfortably in.

You might need bag gloves, depending on the gym -- some gyms
have "club" bag gloves. Once you've determined that you really
want to stay with the sport, you'll probably want to get your
own. Get relatively heavy ones -- you'll protect your hands &
it's a tougher workout keeping your arms up in 16-oz gloves.
If you end up sparring, you'll want a separate set of gloves
for that as well.

Let us know how it goes...

Chris

--
CHRISTOPHER J. MOOREHEAD Toronto, Canada
cmoorehead@attglobal.net

"Some cause happiness wherever they go; others, whenever they
go." ~ Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)

[Mistress K]

"Chris Moorehead" <cmoorehead@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.18dff853cfdb95b49897c6@News.CIS.DFN.DE...
>
> You'll definitely want your own wraps -- "club" wraps are
> usually disgusting!

Agreed! Nothing like putting on a pair of used gloves and
smelling the funk inside *through* the gloves. Then, later,
pulling your hand out and having it smell like a wet dog has
been sleeping on it for days. Narsty.

Krista

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[Mistress K]

"Mike" <MrStrong65@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7cfd37d2.0303171038.3e4c141e@posting.google.com...
> Krista, thank you for examining my question.
>
> One question, what about rest days ?
>
> For instance, in a seven-day week, would days 1 and 3 be on
> a Monday and Wednesday and days 2 and 4 be on a Tues and
> Thursday ?
>

You don't need to get too fussy with it. You could do one day
on, one day off, if you weren't tied to a 7 day week. You
could do M-W-F-Sat or Sun. You could do M-T-Th-F, whatever. I
wouldn't do three days in a row, but two days in a row would
be fine. You'd also have to figure out whether the speed days
worked better for you immediately before or after weights
days. Basically, it's whatever works best for you.

Krista

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[Enrique La]

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Traditional Karate Research Institute - http://tkri.org
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
"Chris Moorehead" <cmoorehead@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.18dff853cfdb95b49897c6@News.CIS.DFN.DE...
> In article
> <7cfd37d2.0303171040.31a4974a@posting.google.com>,
> MrStrong65 @hotmail.com says...
> > Chris, Krista, are there any supplies that I would need to
> > buy on my own for use in a boxing-type training program ?
> >
> > For instance, would I bring my own bag gloves or do gyms
> > provide something like this ?

You should find a trainer/school and then see what you
will need. I haven't ever been at a school that expected
the new people to be fully equipped/prepared - and like
everyone's saying there'll likely be some loaners (bags,
wraps, ropes, etc).

<snip>
> You might need bag gloves, depending on the gym -- some gyms
> have "club" bag gloves. Once you've determined that you
> really want to stay with the sport, you'll probably want to
> get your own. Get relatively heavy ones -- you'll protect
> your hands & it's a tougher workout keeping your arms up in
> 16-oz gloves. If you end up sparring, you'll want a separate
> set of gloves for that as well.

I don't know that a heavier glove is necessarily better, just
different: Different trainers have different methodologies, so
you should really ask them. Again, if you want to be totally
prepared equipment-wise, you should get in touch with your
prospective school/trainer.

Or maybe you're trying to train at home, in which case you may
want to read:

"Boxer's Start-Up: A Beginner's Guide to Boxing" by
Dough Werner

I found it an easy informative read, and FWIW, none of it
conflicted with my novice level understanding of boxing.

At the very least, about 4 clicks in to the "Look Inside"
section on amazon.com has the very list you've asked for:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1884654096/qid=-
1048000441/sr=1
-10/ref=sr_1_10/103-7898832-5403845?v=glance&s=books

Cheers, Enrique

[Mike]

Hello, again, Chris. I've heard of those " Mexican wraps " but
have never actually seen them.

I have a pretty decent jump rope right now. I've been jumping
rope each week to begin building up my endurance and stamina.

I'm hoping to get my conditioning up before a little more I
begin the boxing training.

When you talk of 16 oz gloves, are you saying that these
are the same kind of gloves that someone would hit a heavy
bag with ?

Or would the 16 oz gloves just for sparring purposes ?

Chris Moorehead <cmoorehead@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:<MPG.18dff853cfdb95b49897c6@News.CIS.DFN.DE>...
> In article
> <7cfd37d2.0303171040.31a4974a@posting.google.com>,
> MrStrong65 @hotmail.com says...
> > Chris, Krista, are there any supplies that I would need to
> > buy on my own for use in a boxing-type training program ?
> >
> > For instance, would I bring my own bag gloves or do gyms
> > provide something like this ?
>
> You'll definitely want your own wraps -- "club" wraps are
> usually disgusting! If you can find them, get the so-called
> "Mexican" wraps, which are longer & slightly stretchy. I
> would also advise you get your own jump rope. Get one that
> you can trim to the proper length for your height -- you
> don't want to be using a rope that's too long or too short.
> Otherwise, the only real requirement is shoes that you can
> run comfortably in.
>
> You might need bag gloves, depending on the gym -- some gyms
> have "club" bag gloves. Once you've determined that you
> really want to stay with the sport, you'll probably want to
> get your own. Get relatively heavy ones -- you'll protect
> your hands & it's a tougher workout keeping your arms up in
> 16-oz gloves. If you end up sparring, you'll want a separate
> set of gloves for that as well.
>
> Let us know how it goes...
>
> Chris

[Mike]

Krista and Chris, would do both of you think about the
speed bag ?

The heavy bag is surely one heck of a workout. But do you
think the speed bag is really great for fitness purposes ?

"Mistress Krista" <mistresskrista@stumptuous.com*rem0vethis*>
wrote in message news:<BrDda.70643$a41.17204@news01.bloor.is.-
net.cable.rogers.com>...
> "Mike" <MrStrong65@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7cfd37d2.0303171038.3e4c141e@posting.google.com...
> > Krista, thank you for examining my question.
> >
> > One question, what about rest days ?
> >
> > For instance, in a seven-day week, would days 1 and 3 be
> > on a Monday and Wednesday and days 2 and 4 be on a Tues
> > and Thursday ?
> >
>
> You don't need to get too fussy with it. You could do one
> day on, one day off, if you weren't tied to a 7 day week.
> You could do M-W-F-Sat or Sun. You could do M-T-Th-F,
> whatever. I wouldn't do three days in a row, but two days
> in a row would be fine. You'd also have to figure out
> whether the speed days worked better for you immediately
> before or after weights days. Basically, it's whatever
> works best for you.
>
>
> Krista

[Mike]

Thanks, Enrique.

I'm looking over a few boxing books right now, and will
certainly add the one you listed to my listing of possible
books to buy.

I've learned in this thread that it's pretty impossible to
learn boxing from a book. So I'm going to seek out a boxing
trainer for individual lessons or I'm going to join a
boxing gym.

But I think a book can still be pretty good for
reference purposes.

"Enrique Lara" <NOelaraSPAM@sirsi.com> wrote in message
news:<b57dmk$v8o$1@news1.dra.com>...
> --
> _______________________________________________________
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> ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
> "Chris Moorehead" <cmoorehead@attglobal.net> wrote in
> message news:MPG.18dff853cfdb95b49897c6@News.CIS.DFN.DE...
> > In article
> > <7cfd37d2.0303171040.31a4974a@posting.google.com>,
> > MrStrong65 @hotmail.com says...
> > > Chris, Krista, are there any supplies that I would need
> > > to buy on my own for use in a boxing-type training
> > > program ?
> > >
> > > For instance, would I bring my own bag gloves or do gyms
> > > provide something like this ?
>
> You should find a trainer/school and then see what you
> will need. I haven't ever been at a school that expected
> the new people to be fully equipped/prepared - and like
> everyone's saying there'll likely be some loaners (bags,
> wraps, ropes, etc).
>
>
> <snip>
> > You might need bag gloves, depending on the gym -- some
> > gyms have "club" bag gloves. Once you've determined that
> > you really want to stay with the sport, you'll probably
> > want to get your own. Get relatively heavy ones -- you'll
> > protect your hands & it's a tougher workout keeping your
> > arms up in 16-oz gloves. If you end up sparring, you'll
> > want a separate set of gloves for that as well.
>
> I don't know that a heavier glove is necessarily better,
> just different: Different trainers have different
> methodologies, so you should really ask them. Again, if you
> want to be totally prepared equipment-wise, you should get
> in touch with your prospective school/trainer.
>
> Or maybe you're trying to train at home, in which case you
> may want to read:
>
> "Boxer's Start-Up: A Beginner's Guide to Boxing" by
> Dough Werner
>
> I found it an easy informative read, and FWIW, none of it
> conflicted with my novice level understanding of boxing.
>
> At the very least, about 4 clicks in to the "Look Inside"
> section on amazon.com has the very list you've asked for:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1884654096/qi-
> d=1048000441/sr=1
> -10/ref=sr_1_10/103-7898832-5403845?v=glance&s=books
>
> Cheers, Enrique

[Scott Merc]

On 19 Mar 2003 16:43:49 -0800, MrStrong65@hotmail.com
(Mike) wrote:

>Krista and Chris, would do both of you think about the
>speed bag ?
>
>The heavy bag is surely one heck of a workout. But do you
>think the speed bag is really great for fitness purposes ?
>
>
>
<snip> My apologies for butting in.

Working the speed bag develops rhythm. Whether that rhythm has
anything to do with the rhythm used in a boxing match is very
questionable. (IMO it's not applicable.)

Working the speed bag can also develop endurance in the upper
body. Specifically, training for keeping the arms up;
something that can seem nigh on impossible in the later rounds
of a match. It's debatable whether there aren't better ways to
develop this type of endurance.

The placement of the speed bag usually forces you to keep your
head back and your body upright. This is not a position you
want to adopt against most opponents. (It works really well if
you're swatting nieces and nephews around, though.)

On the topic of ropes, I'm a firm believer in the rawhide
ropes with wooden handles (manufactured by Wilson?). They're a
little heavier than most ropes, more flexible than those
segmented abominations that you used to see, and easy to pack.
Also, they'll come in real handy when some cardio bunny tells
you that "Your sweat has me all hot and bothered. Could we go
back to your place and make a bondage flick?"

Good luck,

Captain Bizarre

--
Carpe carp, eh. (Sieze the goldfish.)

[Chris Moor]

In article <7cfd37d2.0303191640.58cc0e22@posting.google.com>,
MrStrong65 @hotmail.com says...

> Hello, again, Chris. I've heard of those " Mexican wraps "
> but have never actually seen them.

They're rather hard to find -- I'm making do with
conventional wraps right now, which never seem to be long
enough. I believe you can order them from Ringside or some
other mail-order shop.

BTW, it's a good idea to buy a lingerie bag or equivalent to
wash the wraps -- if you throw them in the dryer without,
you'll spend an hour unknotting them.

> I have a pretty decent jump rope right now. I've been
> jumping rope each week to begin building up my endurance and
> stamina.

Try to get to the point where you can jump for 3 minutes
without stopping. It's a bit tricky when you're just
starting out, but eventually you'll get "in the groove", so
to speak, & you'll find you can probably go for a half-hour
without stopping.

> I'm hoping to get my conditioning up before a little more I
> begin the boxing training.

Good idea, though even if you don't, it won't take too long to
get into shape with a boxer's workout.

> When you talk of 16 oz gloves, are you saying that these
> are the same kind of gloves that someone would hit a heavy
> bag with ?

Bag gloves are generally very light. I've found that using the
heavy gloves improves your stamina (it's tough keeping your
hands up constantly in them), & reduces the risk of injury.
Remember to always keep your hands up, & your elbows in!

> Or would the 16 oz gloves just for sparring purposes ?

You can use 16-oz gloves for sparring, but they don't have
to be that heavy. 14-oz gloves will do the trick. Your
trainer will advise you on this -- different clubs have
different rules.

Keep me posted...

Chris

--
CHRISTOPHER J. MOOREHEAD Toronto, Canada
cmoorehead@attglobal.net

"One of the symptoms of an approaching nervous breakdown is
the belief that one's work is terribly important." ~ Bertrand
Russell (1872-1970)

[Chris Moor]

In article <3e799284.7657941@shawnews>,
capbizarre@nottoomuchspaminit.ca says...
> On 19 Mar 2003 16:43:49 -0800, MrStrong65@hotmail.com
> (Mike) wrote:
>
> >Krista and Chris, would do both of you think about the
> >speed bag ?
> >
> >The heavy bag is surely one heck of a workout. But do you
> >think the speed bag is really great for fitness purposes ?
> >
> <snip> My apologies for butting in.

Not a problem -- the more opinions, the better.

> Working the speed bag develops rhythm. Whether that rhythm
> has anything to do with the rhythm used in a boxing match is
> very questionable. (IMO it's not applicable.)

As Scott said, the speed bag as a training tool is greatly
overrated. While it will help with timing & endurance, it
would probably be a better use of your time to use the heavy
bag instead. Many trainers, including my last one in North
Carolina, don't use the speed bag at all.

A much better tool for timing is the fiendish double-ended bag
-- this is the one that looks like a small round bag with a
bungee cord top & bottom, leading to the ceiling & floor,
respectively. This thing is downright EVIL -- very, very
difficult to hit.

> Working the speed bag can also develop endurance in the
> upper body. Specifically, training for keeping the arms up;
> something that can seem nigh on impossible in the later
> rounds of a match. It's debatable whether there aren't
> better ways to develop this type of endurance.

Keeping the arms up is one of the most important skills to
develop -- you want it to become so ingrained that you do it
without thinking about
it. (Never mind that Roy Jones Jr doesn't do it -- when you
can move as fast as him you won't need to do it, either!)

> The placement of the speed bag usually forces you to keep
> your head back and your body upright. This is not a position
> you want to adopt against most opponents. (It works really
> well if you're swatting nieces and nephews around, though.)
>
> On the topic of ropes, I'm a firm believer in the rawhide
> ropes with wooden handles (manufactured by Wilson?).
> They're a little heavier than most ropes, more flexible
> than those segmented abominations that you used to see,
> and easy to pack. Also, they'll come in real handy when
> some cardio bunny tells you that "Your sweat has me all
> hot and bothered. Could we go back to your place and make
> a bondage flick?"

I keep shredding the rawhide ropes, so I use a plastic rope
(NOT a segmented one), but one with handles that have bearings
like the rawhide version. I find that covering the middle
third of the rope with electrical tape makes it swing better,
& protects it from abrasion.

As I'm married & have a three-year-old daughter (& a second
child on the way -- goodbye sleep!), my days of chatting up
cardio bunnies are long behind me...

Chris the old (at least for boxing)

--
CHRISTOPHER J. MOOREHEAD Toronto, Canada
cmoorehead@attglobal.net

"Some cause happiness wherever they go; others, whenever they
go." ~ Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)

[Mike]

Hi, Scott. Thanks for the advice.

I have leather rope that I use that has wooden handles. But
I've never really heard of " rawhide " ropes unless those
types of ropes and leather ones are the same thing.

capbizarre@nottoomuchspaminit.ca (Scott Merchant) wrote in
message news:<3e799284.7657941@shawnews>...
> On 19 Mar 2003 16:43:49 -0800, MrStrong65@hotmail.com
> (Mike) wrote:
>
> >Krista and Chris, would do both of you think about the
> >speed bag ?
> >
> >The heavy bag is surely one heck of a workout. But do you
> >think the speed bag is really great for fitness purposes ?
> >
> >
> >
> <snip> My apologies for butting in.
>
> Working the speed bag develops rhythm. Whether that rhythm
> has anything to do with the rhythm used in a boxing match is
> very questionable. (IMO it's not applicable.)
>
> Working the speed bag can also develop endurance in the
> upper body. Specifically, training for keeping the arms up;
> something that can seem nigh on impossible in the later
> rounds of a match. It's debatable whether there aren't
> better ways to develop this type of endurance.
>
> The placement of the speed bag usually forces you to keep
> your head back and your body upright. This is not a position
> you want to adopt against most opponents. (It works really
> well if you're swatting nieces and nephews around, though.)
>
> On the topic of ropes, I'm a firm believer in the rawhide
> ropes with wooden handles (manufactured by Wilson?).
> They're a little heavier than most ropes, more flexible
> than those segmented abominations that you used to see,
> and easy to pack. Also, they'll come in real handy when
> some cardio bunny tells you that "Your sweat has me all
> hot and bothered. Could we go back to your place and make
> a bondage flick?"
>
> Good luck,
>
> Captain Bizarre

[Mike]

Someone using the speed bag looks like someone who is riding
a bicycle with their hands. They have a speed bag platform at
the fitness center I work out at. There is no bag on it so
I'm assuming that guys who want to use the platform bring
their own bags. I've seen a few guys using it. I don't think
those guys are boxers, so maybe the speed bag serves teh
purpose of being an aerobic workout for the shoulders, arms,
and upper body ?

I've never seen a double-end bag in person. Just on television
or in movies. In one of the Rocky movies ( Rocky 3 I think ),
there was a scene were Apollo Creed tried to show Rocky Balboa
how to use the double end bag. The scene made it seem to me
like learning the double-end bag could be a real challenge.

If I remember correctly, Rocky tried to kill the double-end
bag with the first shot. That didn't work. But then,
eventually Rocky got good at it. In addition to hitting the
double-end bag, don't boxers use it to show how they can avoid
being hit ?

I think I remember Rocky hitting the double-end bag and then
moving side to side and dodging the bag as it bounced back
towards him.

On the subject of keeping the arms up, don't some boxers do
their roadwork while keeping their arms up the whole time ?

Chris Moorehead <cmoorehead@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:<MPG.18e3ea235a4baf519897d4@News.CIS.DFN.DE>...
> In article <3e799284.7657941@shawnews>,
> capbizarre@nottoomuchspaminit.ca says...
> > On 19 Mar 2003 16:43:49 -0800, MrStrong65@hotmail.com
> > (Mike) wrote:
> >
> > >Krista and Chris, would do both of you think about the
> > >speed bag ?
> > >
> > >The heavy bag is surely one heck of a workout. But do
> > >you think the speed bag is really great for fitness
> > >purposes ?
> > >
> > <snip> My apologies for butting in.
>
> Not a problem -- the more opinions, the better.
>
> > Working the speed bag develops rhythm. Whether that rhythm
> > has anything to do with the rhythm used in a boxing match
> > is very questionable. (IMO it's not applicable.)
>
> As Scott said, the speed bag as a training tool is greatly
> overrated. While it will help with timing & endurance, it
> would probably be a better use of your time to use the heavy
> bag instead. Many trainers, including my last one in North
> Carolina, don't use the speed bag at all.
>
> A much better tool for timing is the fiendish double-ended
> bag -- this is the one that looks like a small round bag
> with a bungee cord top & bottom, leading to the ceiling &
> floor, respectively. This thing is downright EVIL -- very,
> very difficult to hit.
>
> > Working the speed bag can also develop endurance in the
> > upper body. Specifically, training for keeping the arms
> > up; something that can seem nigh on impossible in the
> > later rounds of a match. It's debatable whether there
> > aren't better ways to develop this type of endurance.
>
> Keeping the arms up is one of the most important skills to
> develop -- you want it to become so ingrained that you do it
> without thinking about
> it. (Never mind that Roy Jones Jr doesn't do it -- when you
> can move as fast as him you won't need to do it,
> either!)
>
> > The placement of the speed bag usually forces you to keep
> > your head back and your body upright. This is not a
> > position you want to adopt against most opponents. (It
> > works really well if you're swatting nieces and nephews
> > around, though.)
> >
> > On the topic of ropes, I'm a firm believer in the rawhide
> > ropes with wooden handles (manufactured by Wilson?).
> > They're a little heavier than most ropes, more flexible
> > than those segmented abominations that you used to see,
> > and easy to pack. Also, they'll come in real handy when
> > some cardio bunny tells you that "Your sweat has me all
> > hot and bothered. Could we go back to your place and make
> > a bondage flick?"
>
> I keep shredding the rawhide ropes, so I use a plastic rope
> (NOT a segmented one), but one with handles that have
> bearings like the rawhide version. I find that covering the
> middle third of the rope with electrical tape makes it swing
> better, & protects it from abrasion.
>
> As I'm married & have a three-year-old daughter (& a second
> child on the way -- goodbye sleep!), my days of chatting up
> cardio bunnies are long behind me...
>
> Chris the old (at least for boxing)

[Mike]

Hi Chris.

When I need em, I'll probably take a look online for those
Mexican wraps. I've checked out some places online that had
boxing equipment and was surprised and impressed to see how
much different boxing equipment and gear some of these places
have. Sure beats my local sporting goods store.

I'm not quite up to where I'm jumping for three minute rounds
regularly yet. But it will come soon.

Several years ago I had a much more rigorous jump-rope routine
where I actually got up to around 15-20 minutes without
stopping. But that was several years ago and it took awhile to
build up to that. I'm sure I can do it again, but it will take
some time and a number of workouts.

For now, I'll just work towards rounds of 3 minutes at a time.
Maybe what I'll do is try to jump for 3 minutes at a time and
then take 1 minute breaks.

Another thing I've noticed as I've started to jump rope again
is that my feet ached a lot after the first few sessions. I'm
not jumping too high or anything, so I'm thinking it might
have to do with the kind of shoes I'm wearing. I'm wearing
running shoes right now when I jump rope.

These shoes, like most running shoes, are " lightweight, "
but perhaps too much so to provide adequate support in the
ball of the foot.

Chris, I mentnioned before that the fitness center that I work
out at has a boxercisee-type class but that I felt it wasn't
what I wanted.

But one thing I noticed about this class is that they don't
have any hanging heavy bags. The heavy punching bags are these
ones that come up from the floor and have a large, heavy,
plastic base at the bottom that anchors the bag so it won't
fall over when it's hit.

What do you think of these " floor " heavy bags ? Do they use
ones like this at a boxing gym ? Or do boxing gyms mostly use
the hanging heavy bags ?

Chris Moorehead <cmoorehead@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:<MPG.18e3e6421e4589897d3@News.CIS.DFN.DE>...
> In article
> <7cfd37d2.0303191640.58cc0e22@posting.google.com>,
> MrStrong65 @hotmail.com says...
>
> > Hello, again, Chris. I've heard of those " Mexican wraps "
> > but have never actually seen them.
>
> They're rather hard to find -- I'm making do with
> conventional wraps right now, which never seem to be long
> enough. I believe you can order them from Ringside or some
> other mail-order shop.
>
> BTW, it's a good idea to buy a lingerie bag or equivalent to
> wash the wraps -- if you throw them in the dryer without,
> you'll spend an hour unknotting them.
>
> > I have a pretty decent jump rope right now. I've been
> > jumping rope each week to begin building up my endurance
> > and stamina.
>
> Try to get to the point where you can jump for 3 minutes
> without stopping. It's a bit tricky when you're just
> starting out, but eventually you'll get "in the groove", so
> to speak, & you'll find you can probably go for a half-hour
> without stopping.
>
> > I'm hoping to get my conditioning up before a little more
> > I begin the boxing training.
>
> Good idea, though even if you don't, it won't take too long
> to get into shape with a boxer's workout.
>
> > When you talk of 16 oz gloves, are you saying that these
> > are the same kind of gloves that someone would hit a heavy
> > bag with ?
>
> Bag gloves are generally very light. I've found that using
> the heavy gloves improves your stamina (it's tough keeping
> your hands up constantly in them), & reduces the risk of
> injury. Remember to always keep your hands up, & your
> elbows in!
>
> > Or would the 16 oz gloves just for sparring purposes ?
>
> You can use 16-oz gloves for sparring, but they don't have
> to be that heavy. 14-oz gloves will do the trick. Your
> trainer will advise you on this -- different clubs have
> different rules.
>
> Keep me posted...
>
> Chris

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"Jake Wrestler" <jake.shannon@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> http://www.lulu.com/content/101063
>
> The Classical Pugilism and Bare-Knuckle Boxing Companion,
> Volume 1 is proof that everything old is NEW again...
>
> Dip into the powerful techniques and rich history of Western
> pugilism and Bare-Knuckle Boxing with this brand new
> release. Included in this first volume are Owen Swift's
> BOXING WITHOUT A MASTER, the elaborately detailed BOXING
> (with eye-opening sections on Savate and Dirty Tactics) by
> R.G. Allanson Winn, and also the EXCEPTIONALLY RARE 1909
> book, THE LIFE AND BATTLES OF JACK JOHNSON!
>
> There is also a comprehensive and concise history of the
> Western tradition of pugilism presented in the introduction.
> Keep your hands up, your chin down, and enjoy!!
>
> Kind regards, Jake Shannon

One of the instructors at my dojo teaches something that is
much closer to boxing than karate, at least when it comes time
to do some sparring. I think it's a lot more practical than
the strictly traditional approach, which tends to leave a lot
of areas wide open.