Shoemaker's Modified Atkins Diet

[Maxxie Moo]

I just discovered this newsgroup, and the first thing I
see is "Newsweek Slams Atkins Diet." Anyone have a link to
the article?

I just started a modified form of the Atkins diet, one
pomulgated by a Ritchie Shoemaker, M.D., in which he
distinguishes between the various types of carbohydrates.
Unless the carb is of a type that stimulates a large and
sudden upsurge of insulin in the blood, it is not prohibited.
These types of carbs, he states, are found in legumes, root
vegetables (except for onion and garlic), and grains. And the
only fruit prohibited on his diet is the banana. Basically it
means no potatoes, carrots, bread, banana, pasta, cereal, or
sugar. At first I thought it would be a breeze, but then I
realized just how much of my diet involved carbohydrates. That
was a real eye-opener. Ever eat an overlight egg without an
English muffin or at least a slice or two of toast?

I was on the diet for about nine days, ate like a pig the
whole time, and lost six pounds. Then I went to Charleston for
the weekend and indulged: bread, ice cream, nondiet Coke,
fried potatoes, half a bottle of wine one night and who knows
how much Irish ale the second . . . and now I'm two pounds
heavier than I was when the weekend started. Back on the
bandwagon now, though.

I find it hard to believe that it's going to work in the long
run. It lets me have too many of the foods I really like. I
love cream sauces, and but for the calorie load in the butter,
the cream, the eggs yolks, and, I suppose, the sherry they
aren't prohibited. Now, that's my kind of eating! And it's
exactly what I've been told for years you can't eat because
it'll clog your arteries and make you fat. Shoemaker claims
the body will take care of the fats, though it's not immune to
the calories, and that it's the insulin that triggers the
enzyme that stimulates the cholesterol production and fat
storage. The insulin production is created by carbs.

Has anyone in this group been doing the Atkins or Shoemaker
diet for an extended period of time? I'd like to hear from
someone who has adhered to the diet for a while just so I can
see how much weight is lost over a period of time. Six pounds
in nine days seems kind of slow to me, but a couple of people
I know tell me it's a pretty good rate of weight loss.

So tell me some stories. Lie to me, even. Tell me you've lost
200 pounds in three months. I'll believe it! And even if I
don't, it might encourage me to be more faithful in my
adherence to the diet.

[Ron]

Maxxie ! would you mind going to this site and read this man's
story and view his before and after picture.

http://atkinscenter.com/Archive/2003/1/27-987995.html

--
"Remember one thing, we are what we eat!"

To reply via e-mail remove the no NOSPAM

Shalom...

Ron....in Tennessee

Maxxie Moore wrote:

>I just discovered this newsgroup, and the first thing I
>see is "Newsweek Slams Atkins Diet." Anyone have a link to
>the article?
>
>I just started a modified form of the Atkins diet, one
>pomulgated by a Ritchie Shoemaker, M.D., in which he
>distinguishes between the various types of carbohydrates.
>Unless the carb is of a type that stimulates a large and
>sudden upsurge of insulin in the blood, it is not prohibited.
>These types of carbs, he states, are found in legumes, root
>vegetables (except for onion and garlic), and grains. And the
>only fruit prohibited on his diet is the banana. Basically it
>means no potatoes, carrots, bread, banana, pasta, cereal, or
>sugar. At first I thought it would be a breeze, but then I
>realized just how much of my diet involved carbohydrates.
>That was a real eye-opener. Ever eat an overlight egg without
>an English muffin or at least a slice or two of toast?
>
>I was on the diet for about nine days, ate like a pig the
>whole time, and lost six pounds. Then I went to Charleston
>for the weekend and indulged: bread, ice cream, nondiet Coke,
>fried potatoes, half a bottle of wine one night and who knows
>how much Irish ale the second . . . and now I'm two pounds
>heavier than I was when the weekend started. Back on the
>bandwagon now, though.
>
>I find it hard to believe that it's going to work in the long
>run. It lets me have too many of the foods I really like. I
>love cream sauces, and but for the calorie load in the
>butter, the cream, the eggs yolks, and, I suppose, the sherry
>they aren't prohibited. Now, that's my kind of eating! And
>it's exactly what I've been told for years you can't eat
>because it'll clog your arteries and make you fat. Shoemaker
>claims the body will take care of the fats, though it's not
>immune to the calories, and that it's the insulin that
>triggers the enzyme that stimulates the cholesterol
>production and fat storage. The insulin production is created
>by carbs.
>
>Has anyone in this group been doing the Atkins or Shoemaker
>diet for an extended period of time? I'd like to hear from
>someone who has adhered to the diet for a while just so I can
>see how much weight is lost over a period of time. Six pounds
>in nine days seems kind of slow to me, but a couple of people
>I know tell me it's a pretty good rate of weight loss.
>
>So tell me some stories. Lie to me, even. Tell me you've lost
>200 pounds in three months. I'll believe it! And even if I
>don't, it might encourage me to be more faithful in my
>adherence to the diet.
>

[Dan Thomas]

The more overweight you are, the faster you will
probably lose.

The more exercise you get, the faster you will probably lose.

The closer you get to goal, the slower you will probably lose
(my problem).

There are no guarantees.

You may need to cut calories in addition to maintaining a
low-carb lifestyle.

The diet becomes a Way of Eating and probably a Way of
Life for life.

For me the above statement is true, because as soon as I go
back to eating carbs, I blimp out.

Depending how overweight you are, 6 lbs. is a great loss for 9
days. I lost 6 lbs. in 14 days on the Atkin's induction diet.
Of course I only had 40 lbs. to lose.

Dan
194.5/173/155 Atkins since 7/28/02

Maxxie Moore wrote:
>
> I just discovered this newsgroup, and the first thing I see
> is "Newsweek Slams Atkins Diet." Anyone have a link to the
> article?
>
> I just started a modified form of the Atkins diet, one
> pomulgated by a Ritchie Shoemaker, M.D., in which he
> distinguishes between the various types of carbohydrates.
> Unless the carb is of a type that stimulates a large and
> sudden upsurge of insulin in the blood, it is not
> prohibited. These types of carbs, he states, are found in
> legumes, root vegetables (except for onion and garlic), and
> grains. And the only fruit prohibited on his diet is the
> banana. Basically it means no potatoes, carrots, bread,
> banana, pasta, cereal, or sugar. At first I thought it would
> be a breeze, but then I realized just how much of my diet
> involved carbohydrates. That was a real eye-opener. Ever eat
> an overlight egg without an English muffin or at least a
> slice or two of toast?
>
> I was on the diet for about nine days, ate like a pig the
> whole time, and lost six pounds. Then I went to Charleston
> for the weekend and indulged: bread, ice cream, nondiet
> Coke, fried potatoes, half a bottle of wine one night and
> who knows how much Irish ale the second . . . and now I'm
> two pounds heavier than I was when the weekend started. Back
> on the bandwagon now, though.
>
> I find it hard to believe that it's going to work in the
> long run. It lets me have too many of the foods I really
> like. I love cream sauces, and but for the calorie load in
> the butter, the cream, the eggs yolks, and, I suppose, the
> sherry they aren't prohibited. Now, that's my kind of
> eating! And it's exactly what I've been told for years you
> can't eat because it'll clog your arteries and make you fat.
> Shoemaker claims the body will take care of the fats, though
> it's not immune to the calories, and that it's the insulin
> that triggers the enzyme that stimulates the cholesterol
> production and fat storage. The insulin production is
> created by carbs.
>
> Has anyone in this group been doing the Atkins or
> Shoemaker diet for an extended period of time? I'd like to
> hear from someone who has adhered to the diet for a while
> just so I can see how much weight is lost over a period of
> time. Six pounds in nine days seems kind of slow to me,
> but a couple of people I know tell me it's a pretty good
> rate of weight loss.
>
> So tell me some stories. Lie to me, even. Tell me you've
> lost 200 pounds in three months. I'll believe it! And even
> if I don't, it might encourage me to be more faithful in my
> adherence to the diet.

[Wayne Cran]

In article <ToF%9.3566$ZK1.72637@twister.southeast.rr.com>,
"Maxxie Moore" <maxxiemoor@yahoo.com> wrote:

> At first I thought it would be a breeze, but then I realized
> just how much of my diet involved carbohydrates. That was a
> real eye-opener. Ever eat an overlight egg without an
> English muffin or at least a slice or two of toast?

Hell yeah! All the time. Throw some cheese on it, you won't
care about the bread!

> I find it hard to believe that it's going to work in the
> long run. It lets me have too many of the foods I really
> like. I love cream sauces, and but for the calorie load in
> the butter, the cream, the eggs yolks, and, I suppose, the
> sherry they aren't prohibited.

It does take some mental gymnastics to get through the
programming to which we've been subjected over the years. You
get used to it after a while though. Now I would not think of
eating anything but real cream, butter, mayo, dressings, etc.

> Has anyone in this group been doing the Atkins or
> Shoemaker diet for an extended period of time? I'd like to
> hear from someone who has adhered to the diet for a while
> just so I can see how much weight is lost over a period of
> time. Six pounds in nine days seems kind of slow to me,
> but a couple of people I know tell me it's a pretty good
> rate of weight loss.

Six pounds in 9 days is a lot! Don;t expect that throughout
your loss, though. It'll slow down. I was one of the lucky
ones. After the initial 20 pounds in the first month, I
managed an average of 10 pounds a month.

Long term? I'm on month #16. Maintaining since month #12.
There are people around here who have been doing it for years.
I'm at about 45g carbs a day and slowly increasing. Calories
at 1900 a day. I'm still counting carbs and calories but
slipping into more of an automatic mode each week.

-----------------------------
Wayne Crannell Atkins+ 10/27/01 250/144
-----------------------------

[Wildflower]

Maxxie Moore <maxxiemoor@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ToF%9.3566$ZK1.72637@twister.southeast.rr.com...

| Ever eat an overlight egg without an English muffin or at
| least a slice or two of toast?

LOL. You've got to be joking. Like, probably every one on this
news group eats eggs without bread! I like to be a prefer to
throw a slice of cheese on top and add some crumbled bacon --
to add flavor, variety, and to contribute "the crunch" that
used to come from toast. Yes, there is life without bread!

Wildflower

[Maxxie Moo]

Ron,

Thanks for that link. I felt certain there had to be a Web
site somewhere devoted to the Atkins diet, but my previous
search for it didn't find it. I'm going to spend some time
exploring it now and seeing what's there. And that fellow's
story was pretty amazing. 195 pounds? I've got a friend who
could stand to lose that much weight and more, but she won't
even modify her diet by changing what she eats, let alone the
quantities she eats. And she's a sugar freak. She eats Reese's
Peanut Butter Cups and Hershey kisses by the pound. She thinks
a fast food burger is sumptuous dining. I've tried to steer
her toward a low-carb diet, but she won't hear of it. Yet
she's nearly incapacitated by her weight. She can barely walk.
When I mentioned weight loss surgery to her, she told me her
relationship with food was too complicated for her to resort
to bariatric surgery. Never mind that at 48 she has never been
married despite the fact that she struggled much of her adult
life to develop a normal family life complete with husband and
kids. She could never find a husband, though.

I was addicted to cigarettes once, and quiting was one of the
most difficult things I ever did. Maybe food is that way for
her. Who knows.

"Ron" <ron_tnNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3E3F24B7.2030009@yahoo.com...
> Maxxie ! would you mind going to this site and read this
> man's story and view his before and after picture.
>
> http://atkinscenter.com/Archive/2003/1/27-987995.html
>
> --
> "Remember one thing, we are what we eat!"
>
> To reply via e-mail remove the no NOSPAM
>
> Shalom...
>
> Ron....in Tennessee

[Maxxie Moo]

Fifty pounds would make me ecstatic, though I doubt it's a
realistic goal. I probably looked my best at 150 (but that's
also when I was in my early 30's, and who doesn't look their
best at that age?), but then I quit smoking. The only time I
didn't want a cigarette was when I was eating. So eat I did.
An additional forty pounds later, I stabilized for some years.
Then the other day I climb onto the scales and find I'm at
205. I couldn't believe it, but I knew my 40-waist pants were
getting tight. Buried beneath by enormous gut is relatively
small stature--small for a man, anyway--yet for the past few
years I've been struggling with the cognitive dissonance
created by having to buy extra large shirts and extra large
sweatpants when I knew deep in my heart that I wasn't an extra
large person. Guess it takes the mind's eye time to catch up
with reality. And when the objective measures don't match up
with what we know is the truth, I guess we find ways to
discount the significance of those measures.

So here I am, searching out newsgroups to either reinforce or
dispel the claims I read in a book referred to me by a friend.
So far in this group--and by the initial results--it sounds
like I struck upon the right diet.

BTW, a couple of questions:

Doesn't the Atkins diet prohibit fruit altogether? How about
sucrose? Dextromaltose, or whatever it is? And, finally, do
turnip roots really fall into the prohibited category? I'm
really missing those thin, crisp slices in my salads.

"Dan Thomas" <djthomas@gate.net> wrote in message
news:3E3F27AE.F924FB75@gate.net...
> The more overweight you are, the faster you will
> probably lose.
>
> The more exercise you get, the faster you will
> probably lose.
>
> The closer you get to goal, the slower you will probably
> lose (my
problem).
>
> There are no guarantees.
>
> You may need to cut calories in addition to maintaining a
> low-carb
lifestyle.
>
> The diet becomes a Way of Eating and probably a Way of Life
> for life.
>
> For me the above statement is true, because as soon as I go
> back to eating carbs, I blimp out.
>
> Depending how overweight you are, 6 lbs. is a great loss for
> 9 days. I lost 6 lbs. in 14 days on the Atkin's induction
> diet. Of course I only had 40 lbs. to lose.
>
> Dan
> 194.5/173/155 Atkins since 7/28/02

[Maxxie Moo]

Wayne, your efforts have been positively heroic. 1900
calories a day? You're not starving? Congrats! I'm not sure I
could ever get used to eating so little. I like to cook, and
I love food. Period. My idea of a perfect eating is having
some friends over for a four-course dinner with lots of wine.
Deserts are out of the question now--never did make that
tiramisu I had planned to make--but I can live without
deserts. It's the missing sugar in my coffee that's driving
me nuts. I've tired all the artificial sweeteners, including
Splenda, and they're all disgusting. Fresca is the only diet
drink I like, and I think that's because the citrus blocks
out the taste of the artificial sweetener. That's also
probably why I can use Sweet and Low in iced tea--I load it
down with lemon.

Keep up the good work on that diet. How much overweight were
you? I would think after 16 months of dieting that you would
have disappeared.

"Wayne Crannell" <wcrannell@noearthlink.nonet> wrote in
message
news:wcrannell-7D945B.22341303022003@nnrp01.earthlink.net...
> In article <ToF%9.3566$ZK1.72637@twister.southeast.rr.com>,
>
>
> Hell yeah! All the time. Throw some cheese on it, you won't
> care about the bread!
>
>
> It does take some mental gymnastics to get through the
> programming to which we've been subjected over the years.
> You get used to it after a while though. Now I would not
> think of eating anything but real cream, butter, mayo,
> dressings, etc.
>
> > Has anyone in this group been doing the Atkins or
> > Shoemaker diet for an extended period of time? I'd like to
> > hear from someone who has adhered
to
> > the diet for a while just so I can see how much weight is
> > lost over a
period
> > of time. Six pounds in nine days seems kind of slow to me,
> > but a couple
of
> > people I know tell me it's a pretty good rate of
> > weight loss.
>
> Six pounds in 9 days is a lot! Don;t expect that throughout
> your loss, though. It'll slow down. I was one of the lucky
> ones. After the initial 20 pounds in the first month, I
> managed an average of 10 pounds a month.
>
> Long term? I'm on month #16. Maintaining since month #12.
> There are people around here who have been doing it for
> years. I'm at about 45g carbs a day and slowly
> increasing. Calories at 1900 a day. I'm still counting
> carbs and calories but slipping into more of an automatic
> mode each week.
>
> -----------------------------
> Wayne Crannell Atkins+ 10/27/01 250/144
> -----------------------------

[Maxxie Moo]

Well, all right, then. Here's the real question: How do you
get it to your mouth?

I mean, the yolk of overlight egg runs. You can't pick it up
the yolk with a fork; it stays on your plate. Melted cheese
runs, too. (BTW, what kind of cheese do you eat with your
overlight egg?) I've always let the yolk either soak into an
English muffin (eggs Benedict or a homemade Egg McMuffin) or
I've sopped it up with toast. Now I'm having to rethink the
eating of my overlight or poached egg, neither of which I've
had since I started this diet.

"Wildflower" <deadend@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:g1K%9.90544$to3.262863@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net...
>
> Maxxie Moore <maxxiemoor@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:ToF%9.3566$ZK1.72637@twister.southeast.rr.com...
>
> | Ever eat an overlight egg without an English muffin or at
> | least a slice or two of toast?
>
> LOL. You've got to be joking. Like, probably every one on
> this news group eats eggs without bread! I like to be a
> prefer to throw a slice of cheese on top and add some
> crumbled bacon -- to add flavor, variety, and to contribute
> "the crunch" that used to come from toast. Yes, there is
> life without bread!
>
> Wildflower

[Wildflower]

Well, overlight is a pretty runny egg, so I tend to have mine
cooked on both sides, w/ the interior medium. There might be a
little runniness, but I put it into a small bowl (rather than
a flat plate), add the crumpled up bacon, and combine. The
bacon sops up any liquid pretty nicely. I like Provolone
cheese. More often, I have a lightly cooked omlette, where I
throw the fried, chopped onions & pepper, along wiht the
cheese, into the interior, flip, so it's lightly cooked and
the interior is still moist, as I don't like my cooked real
dry. For the omlette, the egg is its own little carrier.

Using small bowls instead of flat plates work for me in a lot
of situations, as this method (1) helps get at some foods more
easily (say w/o bread as a carrier), and (2) the small bowl
helps me with getting better portion control.

In general, this group tends to get very creative about
inventing "carriers" for food. I've even taken to using celery
(which I'm not too crazy about on its own) and using it as a
carrier to stuff cream cheese or almond butter into. The
combination is really great, and easy on the fingers.

Other people do "rollups." So instead of having a lettuce,
ham, tomatoe & cheese "sandwich, they put a little mayo on the
lettuce, layer the ham w/ a thin slice of tomato, and top w/
cheese. Then roll it up and eat. I like this one a lot.
Wildflower

Maxxie Moore <maxxiemoor@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bpV%9.7671$ZK1.164244@twister.southeast.rr.com...
| Well, all right, then. Here's the real question: How do you
| get it to your mouth?
|
| I mean, the yolk of overlight egg runs. You can't pick it up
| the yolk with
a
| fork; it stays on your plate. Melted cheese runs, too. (BTW,
| what kind
of
| cheese do you eat with your overlight egg?) I've always let
| the yolk
either
| soak into an English muffin (eggs Benedict or a homemade Egg
| McMuffin) or I've sopped it up with toast. Now I'm having to
| rethink the eating of my overlight or poached egg, neither
| of which I've had since I started this diet.
|
|
|
| "Wildflower" <deadend@earthlink.net> wrote in message
| news:g1K%9.90544$to3.262863@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net...
| >
| > Maxxie Moore <maxxiemoor@yahoo.com> wrote in message
| > news:ToF%9.3566$ZK1.72637@twister.southeast.rr.com...
| >
| > | Ever eat an overlight egg without an English muffin or
| > | at least a slice or two of toast?
| >
| > LOL. You've got to be joking. Like, probably every one on
| > this news group eats eggs without bread! I like to be a
| > prefer to throw a slice of cheese on top and add some
| > crumbled bacon -- to add flavor, variety, and to
| > contribute "the crunch" that used to come from toast. Yes,
| > there is life without bread!
| >
| > Wildflower
| >
| >
| >
|
|

[Wildflower]

Maxxie Moore <maxxiemoor@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Q4V%9.7668$ZK1.163160@twister.southeast.rr.com...
| Fifty pounds would make me ecstatic, though I doubt it's a
| realistic goal.
======================================
There are plenty of 50 lb losers here (I'm on my way), and a
good number of 100 lb low-carb losers, too. Read Myra's
website http://www.speakeasy.org/~myra/

| I read in a book referred to me by a friend. So far in this
| group--and by the initial results--it sounds like I struck
| upon the right diet. BTW, a couple of questions: Doesn't the
| Atkins diet prohibit fruit altogether?
===============================
Which book did you read? Atkins' basic book, "Dr. Atkins Diet
Revolution is the place to start. In it he goes through the
four phases of the plan. After phase 1, Induction, the OWL
phase permits a few types of fruit, in limited quantities,
that have low glycemic ratings (berries). More are added in
phase 3 - Pre-Maintenance; still more on Maintenance/goal.

| How about sucrose? Dextromaltose, or whatever it is?

Here's a link that will give you everything you want to know
about sweeteners. http://www.lowcarb.ca/tips/tips006.html Most
of us here use Sucralose/Splenda, which is found in such
products as Fruit Water and Diet Rite cola.

| And, finally, do turnip roots really fall into the
| prohibited category?
I'm
| really missing those thin, crisp slices in my salads.
===========================================
If I'm not mistaken, turnips are high glycemic vegetables. So,
probably not on the list. But there are other ways to get the
crisp in salads: crumbled bacon, crumbled pork rinds, sliced
almonds (almonds after Induction, on OWL phase).

All this information is covered in the DANDR book. If you
have the book, do take the time to read it, highlight the
salient points, and reread it. Mine is very well thumbed.
There's just so much in there, including answers to the basic
questions you asked.

Also, here's the group's FAQ which is loaded with info,
success stories, LC recipes, etc.
http://www.grossweb.com/asdlc/faq.htm One's only limited by
one's imagination and lack of cooking inclination. It's a
whole new LC world. Welcome.
=========================
Wildflower F 5' 9" 53 Induction 184 / 153.5 / 136 Mini-goal:
Break into the 140's by March 15th
==========================

[Maxxie Moo]

The rollups sounds like a good idea. I've already done a
simplified version of that. I simply roll together a slice or
two of cheese and a slice or two ham or turkey. Now I'll got
back and add the mayo and lettuce!

I keep seeing references to calories and "portions" on this
forum. I find that rather disheartening. I thought the whole
point of the low-carb diet was that you wouldn't have to count
calories or analyze your diet or do anything but avoid the
carbs in their various forms. If I've got to start weighing
food and counting calories and looking at fat grams and that
kind of stuff, it's all over for me. I just don't want to do
it. It's too complicated, too cumbersome, too . . . obsessive.

So far I've eaten like a horse and still have been losing
weight--six pounds in the first nine days. I did so simply by
avoiding the prohibited foods. Then I went on a weekend binge
and gained two of them back. Went back on the bandwagon
Monday morning, though, and today I was back down to my
pre-weekend weight.

I know that sounds like four steps forward and two steps back,
but this weekend was a special cause for unfettered indulgence
for me. So what the heck. It cost me two extra days of a
low-carb diet. I love the low-carb foods I've been eating.
That's punishment?

I'll try the sopping up of my eggs with bacon and cheese in
the a.m. and see if I can make that emotional transition.

"Wildflower" <deadend@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:0EW%9.165427$VU6.128511@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net...
> Well, overlight is a pretty runny egg, so I tend to have
> mine cooked on both sides, w/ the interior medium. There
> might be a little runniness, but I put it into a small bowl
> (rather than a flat plate), add the crumpled up bacon, and
> combine. The bacon sops up any liquid pretty nicely. I like
> Provolone cheese. More often, I have a lightly cooked
> omlette, where I throw the fried, chopped onions & pepper,
> along wiht the cheese, into the interior, flip, so it's
> lightly cooked and the interior is still moist, as I don't
> like my cooked real dry. For the omlette, the egg is its own
> little carrier.
>
> Using small bowls instead of flat plates work for me in a
> lot of situations, as this method (1) helps get at some
> foods more easily (say w/o bread as a carrier), and (2) the
> small bowl helps me with getting better portion control.
>
> In general, this group tends to get very creative about
> inventing "carriers" for food. I've even taken to using
> celery (which I'm not too crazy about on its own) and using
> it as a carrier to stuff cream cheese or almond butter into.
> The combination is really great, and easy on the fingers.
>
> Other people do "rollups." So instead of having a lettuce,
> ham, tomatoe & cheese "sandwich, they put a little mayo on
> the lettuce, layer the ham w/ a thin slice of tomato, and
> top w/ cheese. Then roll it up and eat. I like this one a
> lot. Wildflower
>
> Maxxie Moore <maxxiemoor@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:bpV%9.7671$ZK1.164244@twister.southeast.rr.com...
> | Well, all right, then. Here's the real question: How do
> | you get it to your mouth?
> |
> | I mean, the yolk of overlight egg runs. You can't pick it
> | up the yolk
with
> a
> | fork; it stays on your plate. Melted cheese runs, too.
> | (BTW, what kind
> of
> | cheese do you eat with your overlight egg?) I've always
> | let the yolk
> either
> | soak into an English muffin (eggs Benedict or a homemade
> | Egg McMuffin)
or
> | I've sopped it up with toast. Now I'm having to rethink
> | the eating of
my
> | overlight or poached egg, neither of which I've had since
> | I started this diet.
> |
> |
> |
> | "Wildflower" <deadend@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> | news:g1K%9.90544$to3.262863@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net...
> | >
> | > Maxxie Moore <maxxiemoor@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> | > news:ToF%9.3566$ZK1.72637@twister.southeast.rr.com...
> | >
> | > | Ever eat an overlight egg without an English muffin or
> | > | at least a slice or two of toast?
> | >
> | > LOL. You've got to be joking. Like, probably every one
> | > on this news group eats eggs without bread! I like to be
> | > a prefer to throw a slice of cheese on top and add some
> | > crumbled bacon -- to add flavor, variety, and to
> | > contribute "the crunch" that used to come from toast.
> | > Yes, there is life without bread!
> | >
> | > Wildflower
> | >
> | >
> | >
> |
> |

[Morkai Kur]

"Maxxie Moore" <maxxiemoor@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:J9X%9.2329$P46.175997@twister.southeast.rr.com...
> I keep seeing references to calories and "portions" on this
> forum. I find that rather disheartening. I thought the whole
> point of the low-carb
diet
> was that you wouldn't have to count calories or analyze your
> diet or do anything but avoid the carbs in their various
> forms. If I've got to start weighing food and counting
> calories and looking at fat grams and that kind of stuff,
> it's all over for me. I just don't want to do it. It's too
> complicated, too cumbersome, too . . . obsessive.

It depends entirely on how well you are doing. The basic
premis is that the fat and protein fill you up better so you
therefore eat less. This of course depends on your appetite
and to put it bluntly how greedy you are.

Atkins says eat till you are sated, well for me, sated is when
my belly hurts cause its too full. That's not really the idea.
Therefore I have started putting less on my plate (smaller
portions) and for me counting calories. The basic fact of
dieting is calories in versus calories out. If you are eating
more than you burn you won't lose weight. Simple as that.

If you get to a stage where you aren't losing weight you have
to take a look at what you are eating and figure out why. It
could be hidden carbs, it could be too many calories. Toting
up your calories for a couple of days will give you an idea of
what your eating, it doesn't have to be every day for the rest
of your life.

Portions aren't limitless, low carb doesn't mean you can have
12 slices of bacon and 6 eggs for breakfast every day
followed by 4 chicken breasts with a cream cheese dressing
and dinner of a couple of steaks. I over exagerate but you
get the idea, portion size means being sensible. Count
calories if you have too, it makes me feel better (I'm also
an analyst at heart, I love seeing numbers) but if its
working for you then don't worry.

The diet isn't fixed, I saw someone say a while back that it's
one big experiment with you as the guinea pig. What works for
you might not work for someone else and vice versa.

Good luck, and have fun :)

Morkai

[Wayne Cran]

In article <riV%9.7670$ZK1.163925@twister.southeast.rr.com>,
"Maxxie Moore" <maxxiemoor@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Wayne, your efforts have been positively heroic. 1900
> calories a day? You're not starving? Congrats! I'm not sure
> I could ever get used to eating so little. I like to cook,
> and I love food. Period. My idea of a perfect eating is
> having some friends over for a four-course dinner with lots
> of wine. Deserts are out of the question now--never did make
> that tiramisu I had planned to make--but I can live without
> deserts. It's the missing sugar in my coffee that's driving
> me nuts. I've tired all the artificial sweeteners, including
> Splenda, and they're all disgusting. Fresca is the only diet
> drink I like, and I think that's because the citrus blocks
> out the taste of the artificial sweetener. That's also
> probably why I can use Sweet and Low in iced tea--I load it
> down with lemon.
>
> Keep up the good work on that diet. How much overweight were
> you? I would think after 16 months of dieting that you would
> have disappeared.

Well, I weigh around 140 (I'm 5'5") so that 1900 calories
still represents 13.5 cals per #BW which is a pretty good
level for maintaining. In October, 2001, I weighed 250 pounds.

Food? ...I was a gourmet cook. I loved creole and French
cooking and was good at it. I say "was", because my path to
fixing myself was to change my relationship to food. I have
changed my philosophy to a "food is fuel" outlook. I do miss
cooking sometimes since LC gourmet cooking doesn't much
interest me, but I am still pretty good at finding
interesting combinations of spices and ingredients. Mostly I
like fresh, simple things....salads, stirfry, simple meats
with interesting spices, fresh veggies, berries with cream,
yogurt, nuts....

A fascinating revelation hit last night....I was watching TV
and an ad for an ice cream store came on with lots of close
ups of this very large ice cream sundae....you know the
kind....ice cream, nuts, fudge....the whole nine yards. It
was a shock to my mind to realize I really could live without
that. I really had no sense of thinking it would taste good.
Very weird for someone who could down a whole package of
Oreos and a quart of milk in preparation for a bag of Hershey
kisses, and could do this every night.

--------------------------------
Wayne Crannell Atkins+ 10/27/01 250/142 Waist: 42 to 31
Chest: 50 to 38
--------------------------------

[Wildflower]

Maxxie Moore <maxxiemoor@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| If I've got to start weighing food and counting calories
| and looking at fat grams and that kind of stuff, it's all
| over for me. I just don't want to do it. It's too
| complicated, too cumbersome, too . . . obsessive.

If you've convinced yourself that it's all over before you've
barely started, then it's all over! Do you really want to lose
weight? Then You need to have an open mind and be able to
change gears.

The most successful people here track their intake. However,
they don't do it the tedious, old fashioned way. Myself, I
never weigh food. I so, however, pay attention to the labels,
content listed, and the amount of servings. Then I plug the
info from the label into a program called
http://www.fitday.com

Many peole here use fitday or a similar program. You put in
what you've eaten, and the quantity. The program does the rest
of the work for you. Fitday has been one of my most important
tools toward success. I love it! And, you can learn *so* much
using it. What an eye opener! At a glance you can look at the
numbers fitday produces so that you can review important
things like total calories and fat/protein/carb percentages.
Critical in getting through trouble spots and back to losing.
Try it today; they don't spam you, either.

Wildflower

[Sprudil]

"Maxxie Moore" <maxxiemoor@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:J9X%9.2329$P46.175997@twister.southeast.rr.com...
> The rollups sounds like a good idea. I've already done a
> simplified
version
> of that. I simply roll together a slice or two of cheese and
> a slice or
two
> ham or turkey. Now I'll got back and add the mayo and
> lettuce!
>
> I keep seeing references to calories and "portions" on this
> forum. I find that rather disheartening. I thought the whole
> point of the low-carb
diet
> was that you wouldn't have to count calories or analyze your
> diet or do anything but avoid the carbs in their various
> forms. If I've got to start weighing food and counting
> calories and looking at fat grams and that kind of stuff,
> it's all over for me. I just don't want to do it. It's too
> complicated, too cumbersome, too . . . obsessive.
>

You have just started. don't worry about counting calories or
fat unless you have a problem. Most people doing an Atkins
type diet don't have to resort to that. Keep in mind that the
type of people who use the internet, are savvy enough to find
a USENET group, want and need a support group are more likely
than not to have a problem with losing the weight. So they
find ways to *tweak* things. People who have difficulties are
more motivated to go out of their way to find solutions. Many
others would have tried the diet without counting calories
lost the weight smoothly and thus would probably have not
sought out a support group to ask "what's going wrong". So
keep that in mind. Doesn't mean that everyone can't benefit
from support and even *tweaking* even if they lose easily.

So continue on doing what you are doing (except the cheating
part) and see how it goes. Meanwhile learn more about the
experiences of others so that should you run into difficulties
you might have some idea as to how others dealt with similar
problems. Most of the people whom I know personally (as
opposed to online)who lose weight via low carb do so fine
without counting calories or weighing or analysing their food.

You have to find out what works for you.

Sid...

[Himillsy D]

Maxxie Moore <maxxiemoor@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I keep seeing references to calories and "portions" on this
> forum. I find that rather disheartening. I thought the whole
> point of the low-carb diet was that you wouldn't have to
> count calories or analyze your diet or do anything but avoid
> the carbs in their various forms.

There is no magic bullet. You still have to burn more
calories than you take in. You get some leeway when starting
out, because it takes time to get used to the new way of
eating. But the bottom line is that yeah, you have to count,
or at the very least be conscious of what you're doing. It's
not being conscious of what we're eating that led many of us
to be overweight in the first place. If you eat too much low
carb food, you're still eating too much and you're not likely
to lose weight. You may not gain, but you're not likely to
lose either.

Personally, I'd rather pay attention to what I eat than be
fat. If that means I have to track my food and count my
calories, then that's what I'm going to do. Oddly enough, once
I got into the swing of low carbing, the calorie counts really
seemed to take care of themselves most days.

--
mills

[Maxxie Moo]

So far the weight is coming off and I'm doing nothing more
than avoiding the prohibited foods, though it can be hard when
I look into the pantry and see an opened bag of Doritos
someone left in it. Think maybe I just toss them in the trash
so they won't be such a temptation.

Maybe when the weight stops coming off I'll try that program.
I've put it in my low carb "favorites" folder for later
reference. Thanks.

"Wildflower" <deadend@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> Maxxie Moore <maxxiemoor@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:J9X%9.2329$P46.175997@twister.southeast.rr.com...
>

> If you've convinced yourself that it's all over before
> you've barely started, then it's all over! Do you . . .

[Sandygurl]

On Tue, 04 Feb 2003 20:29:59 GMT, "Maxxie Moore"
<maxxiemoor@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Well, all right, then. Here's the real question: How do you
>get it to your mouth?
>
>I mean, the yolk of overlight egg runs. You can't pick it up
>the yolk with a fork; it stays on your plate. Melted cheese
>runs, too. (BTW, what kind of cheese do you eat with your
>overlight egg?) I've always let the yolk either soak into an
>English muffin (eggs Benedict or a homemade Egg McMuffin) or
>I've sopped it up with toast. Now I'm having to rethink the
>eating of my overlight or poached egg, neither of which I've
>had since I started this diet.
>
>
I put a frozen 3.5 oz hamburger patty in the microwave,
covered, for 3 minutes. Then I put a Kraft single individually
wrapped piece of American cheese on top, cover, and microwave
for 1 minute. In the meantime I fry 2 eggs in Pam or butter
over light or medium. I put the eggs on top of the hamburger.
I cut the hamburger up in bite size pieces along with the
eggs. The yolks mixed with the melted cheese and hamburger
juices thicken into a very nice sauce. This has been my
standard breakfast since I have been on Atkins. Even my DH, a
non low carber, likes the taste. I like to fry the eggs fast
on high heat so the whites edges crisp a little but the yolks
remain runny. I know this sounds like a weird meal, but it
tastes better than it sounds.

[Colette]

Yes, get rid of the high carb items left in your food
cabinets. Give it away to someone who will use it. There are
people who will never eat low carb. So pass off the guilt.

You can tempt yourself right into eating them.

For breakfast I eat 4 slices of bacon and two scrambled
eggs each morning. That takes care of what to do with runny
egg yolks.

Colette

"Sandygurl" <Sandygurl@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:i6324v89kdcf4ruj32t488d0j66trdbkm6@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 04 Feb 2003 20:29:59 GMT, "Maxxie Moore"
> <maxxiemoor@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Well, all right, then. Here's the real question: How do you
> >get it to your mouth?
> >
> >I mean, the yolk of overlight egg runs. You can't pick it
> >up the yolk
with a
> >fork; it stays on your plate. Melted cheese runs, too.
> >(BTW, what kind
of
> >cheese do you eat with your overlight egg?) I've always let
> >the yolk
either
> >soak into an English muffin (eggs Benedict or a homemade
> >Egg McMuffin) or I've sopped it up with toast. Now I'm
> >having to rethink the eating of my overlight or poached
> >egg, neither of which I've had since I started this diet.
> >
> >
> I put a frozen 3.5 oz hamburger patty in the microwave,
> covered, for 3 minutes. Then I put a Kraft single
> individually wrapped piece of American cheese on top, cover,
> and microwave for 1 minute. In the meantime I fry 2 eggs in
> Pam or butter over light or medium. I put the eggs on top of
> the hamburger. I cut the hamburger up in bite size pieces
> along with the eggs. The yolks mixed with the melted cheese
> and hamburger juices thicken into a very nice sauce. This
> has been my standard breakfast since I have been on Atkins.
> Even my DH, a non low carber, likes the taste. I like to fry
> the eggs fast on high heat so the whites edges crisp a
> little but the yolks remain runny. I know this sounds like a
> weird meal, but it tastes better than it sounds.

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[Maxxie Moo]

Actually, it sounds pretty good. I tried my first over light
eggs since I've been on the diet this morning. As someone else
previously suggested, I put cheese on the eggs, and it turned
out pretty well. I might try your hamburger-and-egg breakfast
someone soon, though. Seems to me it should taste just fine.

"Sandygurl" <Sandygurl@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:i6324v89kdcf4ruj32t488d0j66trdbkm6@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 04 Feb 2003 20:29:59 GMT, "Maxxie Moore"
> <maxxiemoor@yahoo.com> wrote:
>

> >
> I put a frozen 3.5 oz hamburger patty in the microwave,
> covered, for 3 minutes. Then I put a Kraft single
> individually wrapped piece of American cheese on top, cover,
> and microwave for 1 minute. In the meantime I fry 2 eggs in
> Pam or butter over light or medium. I put the eggs on top of
> the hamburger. I cut the hamburger up in bite size pieces
> along with the eggs. The yolks mixed with the melted cheese
> and hamburger juices thicken into a very nice sauce. This
> has been my standard breakfast since I have been on Atkins.
> Even my DH, a non low carber, likes the taste. I like to fry
> the eggs fast on high heat so the whites edges crisp a
> little but the yolks remain runny. I know this sounds like a
> weird meal, but it tastes better than it sounds.

[Not For Sa]

"Maxxie Moore" <maxxiemoor@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:J9X%9.2329$P46.175997@twister.southeast.rr.com...
> I keep seeing references to calories and "portions" on this
> forum. I find that rather disheartening. I thought the whole
> point of the low-carb
diet
> was that you wouldn't have to count calories or analyze your
> diet or do anything but avoid the carbs in their various
> forms. If I've got to start weighing food and counting
> calories and looking at fat grams and that kind of stuff,
> it's all over for me. I just don't want to do it. It's too
> complicated, too cumbersome, too . . . obsessive.

Everyone is looking for the magic diet.

[Maxxie Moo]

Well, thanks for the condescension, but it isn't required. So
far for me (and, yes, I'm still fairly new to the diet) not
counting calories has worked just fine. I've steadily dropped
weight so long as I've avoided the carbs. And that's as
Shoemaker, in his book, said it should be . When I first
started, I ate so much that food was backed up from the pit of
my stomach all the way up to my earlobes, but weight melted
away. Maybe it was just water weight. I don't know. The one
weekend I broke the diet, I gained two pounds. A couple of
days of low-carb eating later, I was back to my pre-weekend
weight. I know the weight loss will slow down, and for the
first time last night I saw mention in Shoemaker's book of a
"plateau" that dieters usually hit that they have to get past,
and beyond which the weight loss slows. He spoke of using a
new drug called Advantia to forestall the onset of the plateau
so that the rapid weight loss lasts longer. I might speak with
my doc about that.

But, no, I'm not looking for a magic diet. If I were, I'd
still be eating carbohydrates and wondering why I wasn't
losing weight.

"Not for Sale" <sparky@nospam_engineer.com> wrote in message
news:v424eqkjf95b77@corp.supernews.com...
>
> Everyone is looking for the magic diet.

[Spuddie]

On stardate Wed, 5 Feb 2003 07:31:41 -0600 a water-guzzling
mime called "Not for Sale" <sparky@nospam_engineer.com>
shocked the world by saying:
>
>"Maxxie Moore" <maxxiemoor@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:J9X%9.2329$P46.175997@twister.southeast.rr.com...
>> I keep seeing references to calories and "portions" on this
>> forum. I find that rather disheartening. I thought the
>> whole point of the low-carb diet was that you wouldn't have
>> to count calories or analyze your diet or do anything but
>> avoid the carbs in their various forms. If I've got to
>> start weighing food and counting calories and looking at
>> fat grams and that kind of stuff, it's all over for me. I
>> just don't want to do it. It's too complicated, too
>> cumbersome, too . . . obsessive.

Yes, I thought that too, the first two times I did low-carb.
Oh, I lost weight...but it didn't stay lost...it found me
again. I did low-carb very lackadaisically...eyeballing
amounts of food, guessing at portion sizes, and having no
clue how many calories OR carbs I was really eating. It
caught up with me.

I'm back...determined...and this time I realize there is no
magic...it's all science, and science means weighing,
measuring and keeping track. Being a very laid-back person, it
does seem obsessive to me as well...but I now know exactly
what I'm eating, and if the weight loss stops, I'll have the
tools to figure out where I might be going wrong and having a
record of what certain changes do for me.

>Everyone is looking for the magic diet.

And of course, that's two newsgroups down, on your left. :)

Cheryl ~~~Only your real friends will tell you when your face
is dirty.~~~ (Sicilian Proverb)

[Julie]

>"Maxxie Moore" <maxxiemoor@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:J9X%9.2329$P46.175997@twister.southeast.rr.com...
>> I keep seeing references to calories and "portions" on this
>> forum. I find that rather disheartening. I thought the
>> whole point of the low-carb
>diet
>> was that you wouldn't have to count calories or analyze
>> your diet or do anything but avoid the carbs in their
>> various forms. If I've got to start weighing food and
>> counting calories and looking at fat grams and that kind of
>> stuff, it's all over for me. I just don't want to do it.
>> It's too complicated, too cumbersome, too . . . obsessive.

I can only speak from mine and DH's experience. He started
Atkins around late September last year. He only had about
20-25 pounds to lose and he'd lost that by Christmas. He's now
sticking pretty much to the same WOE (way of eating) and,
except for a two pound gain over Christmas (when he ate
whatever he wanted, including unlimited carbs) which he has
subsequently lost, his weight has stayed exactly the same. He
didn't once worry about calories, or analyse anything. He now
eats far more healthily than he ever has in the past. He loves
salads but only if he can have mayonnaise, so it suits him
perfectly. A nicely cooked steak, with a spoonful of grain
mustard and some cream stirred into the cooking juices then
poured over the steak, accompanied by a huge salad is a
scrummy meal for him as long as mayonnaise is allowed :-)

I myself had about the same 20-25 pounds to lose, and, even
though I've not been doing Atkins per se, I have lost 7 pounds
since Christmas completely 'accidentally' by eating some of
the same meals as DH.

The diet is so simple, and worked for my DH, that we have
recommended it to friends and family. Three people we know
who have tried it have all lost weight, found the diet to be
incredibly easy, and none of them bothered about counting
calories. I would say read the book, try the diet for a
while, and don't worry about analysing anything *unless* you
aren't losing.

This NG is incredibly helpful, but I do think that it can
overcomplicate things a little for someone who is just
starting out. Just MHO.

Julie S

[Maxxie Moo]

Well, Julie, thanks for that. That's the approach I intend to
take until I see that it just ain't gonna work. But I've
noticed a couple of things since I started this diet. For one,
I don't seem to be able to eat as much, and I do want to push
away from the table more quickly. Today I forgot to eat lunch.
I love salads, so I eat a big one at lunch and usually with
dinner as well. Of course the Ken's Raspberry-Walnut dressing
I'm partial to, I just noticed, contains high fructose corn
syrup (or something close to that), and someone sent me an
article recently reviling high fructose corn syrup as the
downfall of modern civilization. I do miss the carrots and
thinly sliced turnip roots or, alternatively, the daikon
radish in my salad, but that's a loss I can endure. Still for
me the biggest adjustment is no sugar in my coffee.

The other thing I recently realized is that I haven't taken a
single Zantac, Prilosec, Pepcid, Nexxium, or any other GERD
medicine since I've been on this diet, except for an evening
in Charleston when I gorged myself on everything in sight and
drank a half a bottle of red wine. I don't know whether that's
because of the quantity I'm now eating, which I haven't
consciously or purposefully changed, or if it's related to the
absence of carbs in the diet. I haven't read anything that
associated the intake of carbs with the development of GERD or
heartburn, but I'm wondering.

And you're right. This NG is a bit overwhelming. The sheer
number of new notes, the deadly serious diehard dieters who
can tell you every calorie, every ounce, and every milligram
of nutrient they've consumed over the past umpteen days.
Levity without mal intent seems hard to come by around here. I
would feel positively oppressed if I were so overtaken by the
dieting experience.

But . . .whatever. I've learned a lot. I know the Atkins
approach is much too complicated for me. Maybe I'll change my
mind if I fail to lose a substantial portion of this excess
weight, but truthfully the absence of carbs just doesn't
bother me that much. Maybe that also means that it's not the
carbs that account for my excess weight. There were lots of
big people in my family, though almost all of the men were of
normal weight. I'll hang in there for a month or two and
compare my weight then to my starting point, and then I'll
decide whether to keep it up.

"Julie" <j4joolz@NOSPAMclara.co.uk> wrote in message
news:gaa34v48la2hr3ont81mbnvrl6glngu5ea@4ax.com...
>>
> I can only speak from mine and DH's experience. He started
> Atkins around late September last year. He only had about
> 20-25 pounds to lose and he'd lost that by Christmas. . . .

[Jacqueline]

Maxxie I mirror your GERD experience. I was taking prilosec
daily and pepcid complete every evening, and now take nothing.
Do not need it. I always suspected the sugar in commercial
foods, and now that I have nothing in that line it seems the
probable suspect. Anyhow, I am glad to be rid of GERD. Jackie
"Maxxie Moore" <maxxiemoor@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ATi0a.5773$P46.405138@twister.southeast.rr.com...
> Well, Julie, thanks for that. That's the approach I intend
> to take until I see that it just ain't gonna work. But I've
> noticed a couple of things since I started this diet. For
> one, I don't seem to be able to eat as
much,
> and I do want to push away from the table more quickly.
> Today I forgot to eat lunch. I love salads, so I eat a
> big one at lunch and usually with dinner as well. Of
> course the Ken's Raspberry-Walnut dressing I'm partial
> to, I just noticed, contains high fructose corn syrup (or
> something close
to
> that), and someone sent me an article recently reviling high
> fructose corn syrup as the downfall of modern civilization.
> I do miss the carrots and thinly sliced turnip roots or,
> alternatively, the daikon radish in my
salad,
> but that's a loss I can endure. Still for me the biggest
> adjustment is no sugar in my coffee.
>
> The other thing I recently realized is that I haven't taken
> a single
Zantac,
> Prilosec, Pepcid, Nexxium, or any other GERD medicine since
> I've been on this diet, except for an evening in Charleston
> when I gorged myself on everything in sight and drank a half
> a bottle of red wine. I don't know whether that's because of
> the quantity I'm now eating, which I haven't consciously or
> purposefully changed, or if it's related to the absence of
> carbs in the diet. I haven't read anything that associated
> the intake of carbs with the development of GERD or
> heartburn, but I'm wondering.
>
> And you're right. This NG is a bit overwhelming. The sheer
> number of new notes, the deadly serious diehard dieters who
> can tell you every calorie, every ounce, and every milligram
> of nutrient they've consumed over the
past
> umpteen days. Levity without mal intent seems hard to come
> by around here. I would feel positively oppressed if I were
> so overtaken by the dieting experience.
>
> But . . .whatever. I've learned a lot. I know the Atkins
> approach is
much
> too complicated for me. Maybe I'll change my mind if I fail
> to lose a substantial portion of this excess weight, but
> truthfully the absence of carbs just doesn't bother me that
> much. Maybe that also means that it's
not
> the carbs that account for my excess weight. There were
> lots of big
people
> in my family, though almost all of the men were of normal
> weight. I'll
hang
> in there for a month or two and compare my weight then to my
> starting
point,
> and then I'll decide whether to keep it up.
>
>
>
> "Julie" <j4joolz@NOSPAMclara.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:gaa34v48la2hr3ont81mbnvrl6glngu5ea@4ax.com...
> >>
> > I can only speak from mine and DH's experience. He
> > started Atkins around late September last year. He only
> > had about 20-25 pounds to lose and he'd lost that by
> > Christmas. . . .

[Raven]

Oh, yes, there is life without bread but there doesn't have to
be. I've been doing Atkins for 5 weeks now and just bought my
first loaf of low carb bread yesterday in my supermarket. It's
just 3 carbs per slice and this morning I had two pieces of
french toast topped with butter and Atkins pancake syrup and
some ham. Thought I had died and gone straight to Heaven!!!
(grin) I won't make a regular habit of it but now and then it
will be something I can look forward to.

Wildflower wrote:

> Maxxie Moore <maxxiemoor@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:ToF%9.3566$ZK1.72637@twister.southeast.rr.com...
>
> | Ever eat an overlight egg without an English muffin or at
> | least a slice or two of toast?
>
> LOL. You've got to be joking. Like, probably every one on
> this news group eats eggs without bread! I like to be a
> prefer to throw a slice of cheese on top and add some
> crumbled bacon -- to add flavor, variety, and to contribute
> "the crunch" that used to come from toast. Yes, there is
> life without bread!
>
> Wildflower

--
If you always do what you always did you will always get what
you always got.

[Maxxie Moo]

I will see if I can find some low-carb bread around here, but
I have my doubts. I can't find any no-sugar-added ketchup.

"Raven" <mtnlover-47@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3E449378.3A27129E@yahoo.com...
> Oh, yes, there is life without bread but there doesn't have
> to be. I've been doing Atkins for 5 weeks now and just
> bought my first loaf of low carb bread yesterday in my
> supermarket. It's just 3 carbs per slice and this morning I
> had two pieces of french toast topped with butter and
> Atkins pancake syrup and some ham. Thought I had died and
> gone straight to Heaven!!! (grin) I won't make a regular
> habit of it but now and then it will be something I can
> look forward to.
>
>
> Wildflower wrote:
>
> > Maxxie Moore <maxxiemoor@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:ToF%9.3566$ZK1.72637@twister.southeast.rr.com...
> >
> > | Ever eat an overlight egg without an English muffin or
> > | at least a slice or two of toast?
> >
> > LOL. You've got to be joking. Like, probably every one on
> > this news group eats eggs without bread! I like to be a
> > prefer to throw a slice of cheese on top and add some
> > crumbled bacon -- to add flavor, variety, and to
> > contribute "the crunch" that used to come from toast. Yes,
> > there is life without bread!
> >
> > Wildflower
>
> --
> If you always do what you always did you will always get
> what you always got.

[Laura La G]

Raven wrote:
> Oh, yes, there is life without bread but there doesn't have
> to be. I've been doing Atkins for 5 weeks now and just
> bought my first loaf of low carb bread yesterday in my
> supermarket. It's just 3 carbs per slice and this morning I
> had two pieces of french toast topped with butter and
> Atkins pancake syrup and some ham. Thought I had died and
> gone straight to Heaven!!! (grin) I won't make a regular
> habit of it but now and then it will be something I can
> look forward to.

I wish I could recall which brand of low-carb bread machine
mix I used to get...it made really awesome bread, also just 3
carbs per slice. It was great right out of the machine with
fancy butter (like Pulgra or Kerry Gold) on it.

Let me look at the Netrition web site...oh yeah, we used to
get the Keto brand Cinnamon-Rasin, and all of the different
Ketogenics bread machine mixes. I thought the Ketogenics ones
were the best of the ones we tried.

My problem was that it was so good I'd eat the whole freakin'
loaf, and then be ill from the gluten, but man it was
delicious and if it works for you then please enjoy it!

Laura

[Laura La G]

Maxxie Moore wrote:
> I will see if I can find some low-carb bread around here,
> but I have my doubts. I can't find any no-sugar-added
> ketchup.

Are you in the US or Canada? Do you feel okay ordering
online? There are many good web sites where you can order
this stuff, and some of them even give free shipping
depending on how much you order. And most of the time you
don't even have to pay sales tax. I'm partial to
netrition.com, but there's so many others!

Also, making ketchup is dead easy. You basically have to be
able to stir. If you want I can dig up my recipie.

Laura

[Maxxie Moo]

Yeah, I'm in the states, near Raleigh, NC. I just took at look
at the Netrition site, and it made me think of GNC. Does GNC
sell this kind of stuff?

"Laura La Gassa" <laura@nolagassaspam.com> wrote in message
news:QkCdnc142Y0iA9mjXTWc-g@speakeasy.net...
>
>
> Maxxie Moore wrote:
> > I will see if I can find some low-carb bread around here,
> > but I have my doubts. I can't find any no-sugar-added
> > ketchup.
>
> Are you in the US or Canada? Do you feel okay ordering
> online? There are many good web sites where you can order
> this stuff, and some of them even give free shipping
> depending on how much you order. And most of the time you
> don't even have to pay sales tax. I'm partial to
> netrition.com, but there's so many others!
>
> Also, making ketchup is dead easy. You basically have to be
> able to stir. If you want I can dig up my recipie.
>
> Laura