American Diabetes Ass. says eat like this.

[Cheeseburg]

Hi welcome to alt.support.diabetes.

this was taken from the American Diabetes Association web
page today.

if you are one of those people that are on a high fat or high
protien diet this is not meant to offend you. just that if
this is good enough for the American Diabetes Association i
think they know what they are talking about. i figure its
imports for new comers to this group to see as well.

Eating Healthy

What foods are healthy? What foods are unhealthy? How do you
establish a plan for eating healthy foods? Let the American
Diabetes Association help point you in the right direction.

What foods are healthy? No single food will supply all the
nutrients your body needs, so good nutrition means eating a
variety of foods.

Food is divided into four main groups. They are:

a.. Fruits and vegetables (oranges, apples, bananas,
carrots, and spinach).
b.. Whole grains, cereals, and bread (wheat, rice, oats,
bran, and barley).
c.. Dairy products (whole or skim milk, cream, and yogurt).
d.. Meats, fish, poultry, eggs, dried beans, and nuts. It's
important to eat foods from each group every day. By doing
that, you ensure your body has all the nutrients it needs.

The main nutrients in food are carbohydrates, proteins, fats,
vitamins, and minerals. Nutrients help your body work
correctly, and make young bodies grow.

Carbohydrates give you energy. Healthy choices are dried
beans, peas, and lentils; whole grain breads, cereals, and
crackers; and fruits and vegetables. Protein is needed for
growth and is a good back-up supply of energy. Healthy choices
include lean meats and low-fat dairy products.

Foods high in fiber are healthy, too. Fiber comes from plants
and may help to lower blood glucose and blood-fat levels.
Foods high in fiber include: bran cereals, cooked beans and
peas, whole-grain bread, fruits, and vegetables.

Which foods are unhealthy? Fat is a nutrient, and you need
some fat in your diet. But too much fat isn't good for anyone.
And it can be very harmful to people with diabetes.

Too much fat or cholesterol may increase the chances of heart
disease and/or hardening of the arteries. People with diabetes
have a greater risk of developing these diseases than those
without diabetes. So, it is very important that you limit the
fat in your diet.

Fat is found in many foods. Red meat, dairy products (whole
milk, cream, cheese, and ice cream), egg yolks, butter, salad
dressings, vegetable oils, and many desserts are high in fat.
To cut down on fat and cholesterol, you should:

e.. Choose lean cuts of meat. Remove extra fat.
f.. Eat more fish and poultry (without the skin).
g.. Use diet margarine instead of butter.
h.. Drink low-fat or skim milk.
i.. Limit the number of eggs you eat to three or four a week
and choose liver only now and then. Too much salt may
worsen high blood pressure. Many foods contain salt.
Sometimes, you can taste it (as in pickles or bacon). But
there is also hidden salt in many foods, such as cheeses,
salad dressings, and canned soups. When using salt or fat,
remember that a little goes a long way.

People with diabetes should eat less sugar. Foods high in
sugar include: desserts such as frosted cake and pie, sugary
breakfast foods, table sugar, honey, and syrup. One 12-ounce
can of a regular soft drink has nine teaspoons of sugar.

Finally, good advice is to stay away from alcohol. If you
like an alcoholic drink now and then, ask your dietitian
for advice.

How do you set up a plan for eating healthy foods? You and
your dietitian should work together to design a meal plan
that's right for you and includes foods that you enjoy. A
diabetes meal plan is a guide that tells you how much and what
kinds of food you can choose to eat at meals and snack times.

A good meal plan should fit in with your schedule and eating
habits. The right meal plan will also help keep your weight
where it should be. Whether you need to lose weight, gain
weight, or stay where you are, your meal plan can help.

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[Bob H]

Funny you would post this today, I went into a local grocery
today(that I had not been to in a long time) and found they
had taken on a campaign to reduce diabetes, they now have
yellow shelf/price tags for "normal" foods and blue
shelf/price tags for diabetic foods, basically it worked out
to a low fat, low sodium high carb diet, I almost died
laughing except that it was far to serious to be
funny....things like rice, potatoes, bread, pasta had blue
"good" labels yet things like meat, peanut butter, tuna,
cheese in fact 99% of the store had yellow "normal" (not for
diabetics) tags...I was going to say something but decided
there was no point because after all, they worked with the ADA
in coming up with this "diet" (their words) and I am sure that
they would know better than someone who had to live it!.....

"CheeseBurger" <Mrgantlet@megapathdsl.net> wrote in message
news:3e3d8aef$1_3@news.teranews.com...
> Hi welcome to alt.support.diabetes.
>
> this was taken from the American Diabetes Association web
> page today.
>
> if you are one of those people that are on a high fat or
> high protien diet this is not meant to offend you. just that
> if this is good enough for the American Diabetes Association
> i think they know what they are talking about. i figure its
> imports for new comers to this group to see as well.
>
> Eating Healthy
>
> What foods are healthy? What foods are unhealthy? How do you
> establish a plan for eating healthy foods? Let the American
> Diabetes Association help point you in the right direction.
>
> What foods are healthy? No single food will supply all the
> nutrients your body needs, so good nutrition means eating a
> variety of foods.
>
> Food is divided into four main groups. They are:
>
> a.. Fruits and vegetables (oranges, apples, bananas,
> carrots, and spinach).
> b.. Whole grains, cereals, and bread (wheat, rice, oats,
> bran, and barley).
> c.. Dairy products (whole or skim milk, cream, and
> yogurt).
> d.. Meats, fish, poultry, eggs, dried beans, and nuts.
> It's important to eat foods from each group every day.
> By doing that, you ensure your body has all the
> nutrients it needs.
>
> The main nutrients in food are carbohydrates, proteins,
> fats, vitamins,
and
> minerals. Nutrients help your body work correctly, and make
> young bodies grow.
>
> Carbohydrates give you energy. Healthy choices are dried
> beans, peas, and lentils; whole grain breads, cereals, and
> crackers; and fruits and vegetables. Protein is needed for
> growth and is a good back-up supply of energy. Healthy
> choices include lean meats and low-fat dairy products.
>
> Foods high in fiber are healthy, too. Fiber comes from
> plants and may
help
> to lower blood glucose and blood-fat levels. Foods high in
> fiber include: bran cereals, cooked beans and peas,
> whole-grain bread, fruits, and vegetables.
>
> Which foods are unhealthy? Fat is a nutrient, and you need
> some fat in your diet. But too much fat isn't good for
> anyone. And it can be very harmful to people with
diabetes.
>
> Too much fat or cholesterol may increase the chances of
> heart disease
and/or
> hardening of the arteries. People with diabetes have a
> greater risk of developing these diseases than those without
> diabetes. So, it is very important that you limit the fat in
> your diet.
>
> Fat is found in many foods. Red meat, dairy products (whole
> milk, cream, cheese, and ice cream), egg yolks, butter,
> salad dressings, vegetable
oils,
> and many desserts are high in fat. To cut down on fat and
> cholesterol,
you
> should:
>
> a.. Choose lean cuts of meat. Remove extra fat.
> b.. Eat more fish and poultry (without the skin).
> c.. Use diet margarine instead of butter.
> d.. Drink low-fat or skim milk.
> e.. Limit the number of eggs you eat to three or four a
> week and choose liver only now and then. Too much salt
> may worsen high blood pressure. Many foods contain salt.
> Sometimes, you can taste it (as in pickles or bacon).
> But there is also hidden salt in many foods, such as
> cheeses, salad dressings, and canned soups. When using
> salt or fat, remember that a little goes a long way.
>
> People with diabetes should eat less sugar. Foods high in
> sugar include: desserts such as frosted cake and pie, sugary
> breakfast foods, table
sugar,
> honey, and syrup. One 12-ounce can of a regular soft drink
> has nine teaspoons of sugar.
>
> Finally, good advice is to stay away from alcohol. If
> you like an
alcoholic
> drink now and then, ask your dietitian for advice.
>
> How do you set up a plan for eating healthy foods? You and
> your dietitian should work together to design a meal plan
> that's right for you and includes foods that you enjoy. A
> diabetes meal plan is
a
> guide that tells you how much and what kinds of food you can
> choose to eat at meals and snack times.
>
> A good meal plan should fit in with your schedule and eating
> habits. The right meal plan will also help keep your weight
> where it should be.
Whether
> you need to lose weight, gain weight, or stay where you are,
> your meal
plan
> can help.
>
>
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[Jennifer]

Cheese...

You were just diagnosed.

You don't even have a meter yet.

Why not wait a few weeks and see how your diet performs and
how your BGs are before touting it. You don't yet know what
works for you; how can you say what will work for others?

Jennifer

[Cheeseburg]

"Bob H" <justbobsorry30@notmail.com> wrote in message
news:v3s6qfh374ftc5@corp.supernews.com...
> Funny you would post this today, I went into a local grocery
> today(that I had not been to in a long time) and found they
> had taken on a campaign to reduce diabetes, they now have
> yellow shelf/price tags for "normal" foods and blue
> shelf/price tags for diabetic foods, basically it worked out
> to a low fat, low sodium high carb diet, I almost died
> laughing except that it was far to serious to be
> funny....things like rice, potatoes, bread, pasta had blue
> "good" labels yet things like
meat, peanut butter, tuna, cheese in
> fact 99% of the store had yellow "normal" (not for
> diabetics) tags...I was going to say something but decided
> there was no point because after all, they worked with the
> ADA in coming up with this "diet" (their words) and I am
> sure that they would know better than someone who had to
> live it!.....
>
well actually i think the ADA do get their results from people
who do live with diabetes. and follow the diet strickly

from what i know so far.. if you can not follow the ADA diet
strickly then do what ever works. i would say most doctors say
high fat diets are unhealthy for people with out diabetes as
well. Was tuna packed in water really on the bad list or did
you forget to mention that it was canned in oil? the store
could have made a mistake. meter readings are important but so
is your heart and the rest of your body. but if you can sit
there and tell me your heart loves when you eat chicken skin
and other high fat high cholesterol foods, who am i to say
your wrong.. i only knowingly have diabetes 2 weeks. did you
ever look into what most ide guess about 99% of doctors say
what eating high fat diets will do or increase when eating
year after year? or is the high fat diet just too damn tastey
to want to find anything wrong with? joke maybe lol. i am
looking at over all health as a person not just a diabetic.

CheeseBurger

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[Wendy Bake]

CheeseBurger <Mrgantlet@megapathdsl.net> wrote:

: "Bob H" <justbobsorry30@notmail.com> wrote in message
: news:v3s6qfh374ftc5@corp.supernews.com...
:> Funny you would post this today, I went into a local
:> grocery today(that I had not been to in a long time) and
:> found they had taken on a campaign to reduce diabetes, they
:> now have yellow shelf/price tags for "normal" foods and
:> blue shelf/price tags for diabetic foods, basically it
:> worked out to a low fat, low sodium high carb diet, I
:> almost died laughing except that it was far to serious to
:> be funny....things like rice, potatoes, bread, pasta had
:> blue "good" labels yet things like
: meat, peanut butter, tuna, cheese in
:> fact 99% of the store had yellow "normal" (not for
:> diabetics) tags...I was going to say something but decided
:> there was no point because after all, they worked with the
:> ADA in coming up with this "diet" (their words) and I am
:> sure that they would know better than someone who had to
:> live it!.....
:>
: well actually i think the ADA do get their results from
: people who do live with diabetes. and follow the diet
: strickly

: from what i know so far.. if you can not follow the ADA diet
: strickly then do what ever works. i would say most doctors
: say high fat diets are unhealthy for people with out
: diabetes as well. Was tuna packed in water really on the bad
: list or did you forget to mention that it was canned in oil?
: the store could have made a mistake. meter readings are
: important but so is your heart and the rest of your body.
: but if you can sit there and tell me your heart loves when
: you eat chicken skin and other high fat high cholesterol
: foods, who am i to say your wrong.. i only knowingly have
: diabetes 2 weeks. did you ever look into what most ide guess
: about 99% of doctors say what eating high fat diets will do
: or increase when eating year after year? or is the high fat
: diet just too damn tastey to want to find anything wrong
: with? joke maybe lol. i am looking at over all health as a
: person not just a diabetic.

: CheeseBurger

To some extent the ADA is trying to get a diet that they can
get recalcitrant people to accept. When I was sworking with
the dietician I would bring in my foodlogs with meals that
conformed to her requirements exactly. She was astounded, as
most of her patients came no where near these requirements,
but exceeded the fat and carbo limits. The ADA is trying to
get such people to eat somewhat more sensibly, so seems to
allow many more carbos than I can handle unless I ws willing
to flog my pancreas with insulin pushing drugs that would help
wear it out sooner. The ADA is also trying to get peole to be
minimumly compliant on lowered bg's , so does not set a high
stndard for that. Around here, we are trying to achieve bgs as
close to normal as possible without going hypo-literally. Do
yu wnt to be stisfied with the minimum standard, or shoot for
closer to normalcy? That really is your decision.

Wendy Baker

[Cheeseburg]

"Wendy Baker" <wbaker@panix.com> wrote in message
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> CheeseBurger <Mrgantlet@megapathdsl.net> wrote:
>
> : "Bob H" <justbobsorry30@notmail.com> wrote in message
> : news:v3s6qfh374ftc5@corp.supernews.com...
> :> >
> To some extent the ADA is trying to get a diet that they can
> get recalcitrant people to accept.

do not mean to bust your bubble. but not listening to you does
not make one recalcitrant. i would much rather follow a doctor
at this point and he wants me to lose weight slowly if i go to
meet the numbers now i will lose weight too fast or eat a cow
every day. i am in this for the long run not what numbers a
meter might say today.

When I was sworking with the dietician I
> would bring in my foodlogs with meals that conformed to her
> requirements exactly. She was astounded, as most of her
> patients came no where near these requirements, but exceeded
> the fat and carbo limits.

how heavey were you at the time? and how much wieght did you
need to lose.?

The ADA is
> trying to get such people to eat somewhat more sensibly, so
> seems to allow many more carbos than I can handle unless I
> ws willing to flog my pancreas with insulin pushing drugs
> that would help wear it out sooner. The ADA is also trying
> to get peole to be minimumly compliant on lowered bg's , so
> does not set a high stndard for that. Around here, we are
> trying to achieve bgs as close to normal as possible
without going hypo-literally.
> Do yu wnt to be stisfied with the minimum standard, or shoot
> for closer to normalcy? That really is your decision.
>
> Wendy Baker

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[Wendy Bake]

CheeseBurger <Mrgantlet@megapathdsl.net> wrote:

: "Wendy Baker" <wbaker@panix.com> wrote in message
: news:b1mkf2$q3h$2@reader1.panix.com...
:> CheeseBurger <Mrgantlet@megapathdsl.net> wrote:
:>
:> : "Bob H" <justbobsorry30@notmail.com> wrote in message
:> : news:v3s6qfh374ftc5@corp.supernews.com...
:> :> >
:> To some extent the ADA is trying to get a diet that they
:> can get recalcitrant people to accept.

: do not mean to bust your bubble. but not listening to you
: does not make one recalcitrant. i would much rather follow a
: doctor at this point and he wants me to lose weight slowly
: if i go to meet the numbers now i will lose weight too fast
: or eat a cow every day. i am in this for the long run not
: what numbers a meter might say today.

I did not say YOU were recalcitrant, but that MANY diabetics
are recalcitrant, so the ADA does not want to "scare them off"
by setting too high a standard of food control.

: When I was sworking with the
dietician I
:> would bring in my foodlogs with meals that conformed to her
:> requirements exactly. She was astounded, as most of her
:> patients came no where near these requirements, but
:> exceeded the fat and carbo limits.

: how heavey were you at the time? and how much wieght did you
: need to lose.?
About the came as I am now, maybe 10 lbs more.. When I was
first diagnosed, many years ago, I was 64 lbs higher than I am
now and have never put them back. Took that off while
controlling my bg's with the no-meter test strips available at
that time. You have to work at both at the same time and not
wait. You can loose slowly, while controlling the bgs,
especially if you get some diabetic meds to help. You can use
good oils, rather than hevy chloresterol animal or trans fats
to not have too big a calorie drop. It just takes figuring and
that is what this group can help you with if you will let us.

: The ADA is
:> trying to get such people to eat somewhat more sensibly,
:> so seems to allow many more carbos than I can handle
:> unless I ws willing to flog my pancreas with insulin
:> pushing drugs that would help wear it out sooner. The ADA
:> is also trying to get peole to be minimumly compliant on
:> lowered bg's , so does not set a high stndard for that.
:> Around here, we are trying to achieve bgs as close to
:> normal as possible
: without going hypo-literally.
:> Do yu wnt to be stisfied with the minimum standard, or
:> shoot for closer to normalcy? That really is your
:> decision.
:>
:> Wendy Baker

[Cheeseburg]

"Susan Fein" <sufein@aol.comnospam> wrote wow did she ever

> OBJECTIVE--To understand why low-fat high-carbohydrate (CHO)
> diets lead to higher fasting and postprandial concentrations
> of triglyceride (TG)-rich lipoproteins in patients with
> non-insulin-dependent diabetes mellitus (NIDDM). RESEARCH
> DESIGN AND METHODS--Patients with NIDDM were placed randomly
> on diets containing either 55% CHO, 30% fat, and 15% protein
> or 40% CHO, 45% fat, and 15% protein for 6 weeks, followed
> by crossover to the other diet. Test meals at the end of
> each diet period were consumed at 8:00 A.M. and 12:00 P.M.
> (noon) and contained 20 and 40% of daily calories,
> respectively. Vitamin A was also given at noon, and TG-rich
> lipoproteins of intestinal origin were identified by the
> presence of vitamin A esters. Frequent measurements were
> made throughout the 24-h study period of plasma glucose,
> insulin, and TG concentrations. Plasma samples obtained from
> 12:00 P.M. (noon) until 12 A.M. (midnight) were subjected to
> ultracentrifugation, and
>

wow that was pretty cool. dont really know the body types
of the people being studied if they needed to lose weight.
how much weight they needed to lose how old they were. but
the biggest thing that troubles me is... it doesnt say
anything about how much these people exercised. i have read
the amount of exercise you do greatly affects your diet and
what you should be eating.. i could be wrong jmo typing was
very good tho.

i like when she said

(8. +/- 0.8 vs. 7.5 +/- 0.7 mmol/l), insulin (184 +/- 26 vs.
158 +/- 19 pmol/l), and TG (2.8 +/- 0.2 vs.
9.1 +/- 0.2 mmol/l) were higher (P < 0.05-0.001) after the 55%
CHO diet. The 55% CHO diet also led to an increase (P <
0.05-0.01) in the mean +/- SE hourly concentrations of
vitamin A esters in plasma (2.3 +/- 0.3 vs. 1.6 +/- 0.1
mumol/l) and in both the chylomicron (2.0 +/- .3 vs. 1.4 +/-
0.1 mumol/l) and chylomicron remnant fractions (0.36 +/-
0.04 vs. 0.14 +/- 0.03 mumol/l). In addition, the VLDL-TG

CheeseBurger

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[Frohe]

CheeseBurger wrote:
> did you ever look into what most ide guess about 99% of
> doctors say what eating high fat diets will do or increase
> when eating year after year?

Ah, what doctors say. That's where I leave what they say
alone. I've been diabetic now 3 years. Spent most of that time
listening to the doc's and dietician's directions about eating
a low-cal, low-fat, has-no-taste diet that left me hungry all
the time. My sugar numbers never improved, I didn't lose any
weight because my body was constantly in starvation mode and
my cholesterol readings never looked good. Finally told the
doc "look this diet ain't working for me so it's out the
window with the baby and the bath water. I'm doing Atkins."

The results - one month on Atkins and I've lost 10 pounds, I'm
never hungry like I was before, my sugar numbers are starting
to improve and my cholestrol readings are wondeful. My doc
loves the results and his dietician is scratching her head
saying "this should not have worked." But the reality of it
all is it did work. Facts over hypothesis works for me.

As for the fat - how can it hurt you if you're burning it for
fuel instead of storing it back since your body is burning
carbs for fuel. Here's a thought to ponder - a bear eats both
carbs and fats during the spring, summer and fall. When they
go into hybernation, their bodies quickly use up the carbs
stored as glycogen and their body switches over to the fat
stored back as their fuel source. Ever see a fat bear in the
spring after hybernation? It's proof that the body can switch
from a carb-based fuel burner to a fat burning one. So unless
you're burning off the fat, guess what? You're still fat.
--
-frohe Life is too short to be in a hurry

[Cheeseburg]

"Susan Fein" <sufein@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
news:20030204201437.11196.00000158@mb-dh.aol.com...
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> >
> SAN DIEGO, CA -- June 15, 1999 -- A very high-fat,
> low-carbohydrate diet
has
> been shown to have astounding effects in helping type 2
> diabetics lose
weight
> and improve their blood lipid profiles.

as an ex body builder that knows exercise and nutrition go
hand in hand when body building... i knew that and have the
will power to control it when motivated. the part about losing
weight anyway. but the speed in which you lose weight is just
as important as losing the weight. jmo.. but you have to lose
the weight when needed.

>
> The results of three studies involving such a diet, which is
> similar to,
but
> has a few key differences from the famous "Dr. Atkins
> Diet", were
presented
> today at the annual meeting of the Endocrine Society.

as far as Atkins goes.. before diabetes i wouldnt even come
close to being on a diet like that. I studied too much about
nutrition to do that. but yes when i am at my ideal weight of
course my carbs are going to be much lower then now. or maybe
not. have to see how my work outs will increase and change
mynumbers.

>
> Dr. James Hays, an endocrinologist and director of the
> Limestone Medical Center in Wilmington, DE, admitted
> that the concept of a high-fat diet in people who are
> already at higher risk of cardiovascular disease might
> seem incongruous. Nonetheless, this study of 157 men and
> women with type 2 diabetes showed
an
> impressive benefit in body mass index (BMI) triglycerides,
> HDL, LDL and
HbA1c.

as a body builder i would have 25 grams or protien every 2
hours i would ad or take away cabs during mass building and
take away near the summer months to cut up.

>
> Most people are encouraged to reduce the amount of fat in
> their diets, particularly saturated fats,

sounds good to me

and diabetics in particular are advised to reduce
> their overall caloric intake,

lol thats me doing it one step at a time.

Dr. Hays explained in an interview in San Diego during
> the conference.
>
> Whereas a normal diet would be in the order of 1800 to 2100
> calories,
with 60
> percent of calories coming from carbohydrates and 30 percent
> from fat,
patients
>
> in this diet were restricted to 1800 calories per day and
> were encouraged
to
> get 50 percent of their caloric intake from fat, and just 20
> percent from carbohydrates. The balance of 30 percent would
> come from proteins.
>
> A whopping 90 percent of the fat content in their diets was
> saturated fat, compared with just 10 percent that was
> monounsaturated fat.
>
> "I think this is at least worth considering for any
> diabetic," Dr. Hays
said in
> an interview. "The thing many diabetics coming into the
> office don't realize is that
other
> forms of carbohydrates will increase their sugars, too.
> Dietitians will point them toward complex carbohydrates ...
> oatmeal and whole wheat bread, but we
have to
> deliver the message that these are carbohydrates that
> increase blood
sugars,
> too."
>
> Higher-fat diets, on the other hand, seem to make the person
> feel full
faster
> so they eat less; higher-fat diets also tend to reduce
> postprandial hypoglycemia so the patients feel better
> after eating.
>
> "Every diabetic comes home from the doctor with instructions
> as to what
their
> diet should consist of, but they're not getting the
> information from dietitians about what complex carbohydrates
> they should eat,"
>
> Dr. Hays said: "The important thing here is no ketosis. We
> absolutely don't want people
to
> become ketotic, and so we said they had to have so many
> exchanges of fresh fruits
and
> vegetables and we specified the ones they could eat."
>
> They were able to eat all the meat and cheese they wanted,
> but as for carbohydrates, they are restricted to eating
> unprocessed foods, mainly
fresh
> fruit and vegetables, he added.
>
> Subjects recruited into the study (84 men, 73 women) were
> all type 2
diabetics
> and were required to undergo a standard American Diabetes
> Association modified
diet
> for one full year before entry into the trial. Over the
> course of one year,
the
> subjects achieved a mean decline in total cholesterol of
> between 231 and
190
> mg/dl. Triglycerides declined from 229 to 182 mg/dl.
>
> Low-density lipoproteins (LDL cholesterol) fell from 133 to
> 105 mg/dl,
while
> HDL increased from 44 to 47 mg/dl.
>
> HbA1c, which at the start of the study averaged 3.34 percent
> above normal, declined to the point that at one year, the
> mean was just 0.96 percent
above
> normal.
>
> The average weight loss among subjects in the study was in
> the order of 40 pounds, Dr. Hays said.
>
> By the end of the one-year study, he added, 90 percent of
> the patients had achieved ADA (American Diabetes
> Association) targets for HbA1c, HDL, LDL and triglycerides.
>
> Even among juvenile diabetics, he said, they might not be
> overweight and
they
> might have more or less normal lipid levels, but when they
> are on this
kind of
> diet it is possible to treat them with lower doses of
> insulin and make their
lives a
> little safer, he said.
>
> As for the response from cardiologists who see a high-fat
> diet as anathema
to
> what they have been instructing their patients for years
> now, Dr. Hays
said he
> has three cardiologist patients who are now on the diet.
>
> "If you have a diet that results in weight loss, lower
> cholesterol, and a better lipid profile, eventually,
> everybody will be eating that way. It's
going
> to come whether we like it or not."
>
>
> Susan
>
The American Diabetes Association and most Dietitians still
seem like a good place to learn about eating when a diabetic..
jmo i could be wrong for everysubject you will find doctors
that appose. jmo i could be wrong

CheeseBurger

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[Cheeseburg]

> Ah, what doctors say. That's where I leave what they say
> alone. I've
been
> diabetic now 3 years. Spent most of that time listening to
> the doc's and dietician's directions about eating a low-cal,
> low-fat,

has-no-taste diet

HAS NO TASTE i felt bad the first few days i found out i was
diabetic but i now know

... I AM STRONGER THEN FOOD i think the diet you are telling
everyone is no good in the long run is the best from what i
have seen so many of you are still very over wieght. and i
also think you are the type of people who failed the ADA and
your dietitians diet not that the diet failed you. you still
think of taste and hunger (with big jelly bellies) more then
health. i may be hunger for short periods of time duh its a
wieght loss diet.

> that left me hungry all the time. My sugar numbers never
> improved, I
didn't
> lose any weight because my body was constantly in starvation
> mode and my cholesterol readings never looked good. Finally
> told the doc "look this diet ain't working for me so it's
> out the window with the baby and the
bath
> water. I'm doing Atkins."
>
> The results - one month on Atkins and I've lost 10 pounds,
> I'm never
hungry
> like I was before, my sugar numbers are starting to improve
> and my cholestrol readings are wondeful. My doc loves the
> results and his dietician is scratching her head saying
> "this should not have worked."
But
> the reality of it all is it did work. Facts over hypothesis
> works for me.
>
> As for the fat - how can it hurt you if you're burning it
> for fuel instead of storing it back since your body is
> burning carbs for fuel. Here's a thought to ponder - a bear
> eats both carbs and fats during the spring, summer and fall.
> When they go into hybernation, their bodies quickly use
up
> the carbs stored as glycogen and their body switches over
> to the fat
stored
> back as their fuel source. Ever see a fat bear in the spring
> after hybernation? It's proof that the body can switch from
> a carb-based fuel burner to a fat burning one. So unless
> you're burning off the fat, guess what? You're still fat.
> --
> -frohe Life is too short to be in a hurry
>
>
it has been jmo that if you do not have the willpower to
follow your doctors and dietitians diet.. then do the next
best thing.. life is too short to be in a hurry and yet you
choose the easy fast diet.

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[Alice Fabe]

In article <3e411e86$3_2@news.teranews.com>, "CheeseBurger"
<Mrgantlet@megapathdsl.net> wrote:

> has-no-taste diet
>
> HAS NO TASTE i felt bad the first few days i found out i was
> diabetic but i now know
>
> ... I AM STRONGER THEN FOOD i think the diet you are telling
> everyone is no good in the long run is the best from what i
> have seen so many of you are still very over wieght. and i
> also think you are the type of people who failed the ADA and
> your dietitians diet not that the diet failed you. you still
> think of taste and hunger (with big jelly bellies) more then
> health. i may be hunger for short periods of time duh its a
> wieght loss diet.

YOU STILL DON'T GET IT! Of course I think of taste and hunger,
but, eating a reduced carb diet (not stressing my metabolism),
I don't get hungry the way I used to, and, consequently, I
don't overeat the way I used to. My blood sugar is fine (I
know because I test), my blood lipids are fine (I know because
my doctor tests), my kidneys are fine (I know because my
doctor tests), *and* I lost weight without even trying to.

After you've managed to get your blood sugar in control and
gotten down to a weight you're comfortable with, you can come
in and lecture us about blood sugar control and weight loss.
Of course, by that time, all the regulars will have killfiled
your trolling ass.

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AF

[Frohe]

CheeseBurger wrote:
> i think the diet you are telling everyone is no good in
> the long run is the best from what i have seen so many of
> you are still very over wieght. and i also think you are
> the type of people who failed the ADA and your dietitians
> diet not that the diet failed you. you still think of
> taste and hunger (with big jelly bellies) more then
> health. i may be hunger for short periods of time duh its
> a wieght loss diet.

Go your merry way then, Mr Know It All. But the day may come
when you wake up to the fact that eating tons of carbs is not
the way to keep your BG numbers flattened out. Like you, 2
years ago, I thought I had all the answers. Turns out I didn't
and you don't either.

> it has been jmo that if you do not have the willpower to
> follow your doctors and dietitians diet.. then do the next
> best thing.. life is too short to be in a hurry and yet you
> choose the easy fast diet.

And your opinion is wrong. I followed that diet for 2 long
years but being diabetic and here's probably a new term, I am
very insulin intolerant. So guess what, while I was hungry my
body took all those carbs and turned them into fat.

Bottom line - as a newbie to the world of diabetes, your
opinion means nothing to me. Quit thinking for a while and
absorb what others who've been here and done this a while have
to say. You might learn something. Note I said might.
--
-frohe Life is too short to be in a hurry

[Cheeseburg]

"Alice Faber" <afaber@panix.com> wrote in message news:afaber-

> the regulars will have killfiled your trolling ass.
>
> --
> AF

i would love to say stfu lol but il just filter your ass good
bye.

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[Tiger Lily]

"CheeseBurger" <Mrgantlet@megapathdsl.net> wrote in message
news:3e4158c6$1_6@news.teranews.com...
> i would love to say stfu lol but il just filter your ass
> good bye.

add me to the list, please

[Sushi-Boy]

Hi welcome to alt.support.diabetes.

this was taken from the American Diabetes Association web
page today.

if you are one of those people that are on a high fat or high
protien diet this is not meant to offend you. just that if
this is good enough for the American Diabetes Association i
think they know what they are talking about. i figure its
imports for new comers to this group to see as well.

Eating Healthy

What foods are healthy? What foods are unhealthy? How do you
establish a plan for eating healthy foods? Let the American
Diabetes Association help point you in the right direction.

What foods are healthy? No single food will supply all the
nutrients your body needs, so good nutrition means eating a
variety of foods.

Food is divided into four main groups. They are:

a.. Fruits and vegetables (oranges, apples, bananas,
carrots, and spinach).
b.. Whole grains, cereals, and bread (wheat, rice, oats,
bran, and barley).
c.. Dairy products (whole or skim milk, cream, and yogurt).
d.. Meats, fish, poultry, eggs, dried beans, and nuts.
It's important to eat foods from each group every day.
By doing that, you ensure your body has all the
nutrients it needs.

The main nutrients in food are carbohydrates, proteins, fats,
vitamins, and minerals. Nutrients help your body work
correctly, and make young bodies grow.

Carbohydrates give you energy. Healthy choices are dried
beans, peas, and lentils; whole grain breads, cereals, and
crackers; and fruits and vegetables. Protein is needed for
growth and is a good back-up supply of energy. Healthy
choices include lean meats and low-fat dairy products.

Foods high in fiber are healthy, too. Fiber comes from plants
and may help to lower blood glucose and blood-fat levels.
Foods high in fiber include: bran cereals, cooked beans and
peas, whole-grain bread, fruits, and vegetables.

Which foods are unhealthy? Fat is a nutrient, and you need
some fat in your diet. But too much fat isn't good for
anyone. And it can be very harmful to people with diabetes.

Too much fat or cholesterol may increase the chances of heart
disease and/or hardening of the arteries. People with
diabetes have a greater risk of developing these diseases
than those without diabetes. So, it is very important that
you limit the fat in your diet.

Fat is found in many foods. Red meat, dairy products (whole
milk, cream, cheese, and ice cream), egg yolks, butter, salad
dressings, vegetable oils, and many desserts are high in fat.
To cut down on fat and cholesterol, you should:

e.. Choose lean cuts of meat. Remove extra fat.
f.. Eat more fish and poultry (without the skin).
g.. Use diet margarine instead of butter.
h.. Drink low-fat or skim milk.
i.. Limit the number of eggs you eat to three or four a
week and choose liver only now and then. Too much salt
may worsen high blood pressure. Many foods contain salt.
Sometimes, you can taste it (as in pickles or bacon). But
there is also hidden salt in many foods, such as cheeses,
salad dressings, and canned soups. When using salt or
fat, remember that a little goes a long way.

People with diabetes should eat less sugar. Foods high in
sugar include: desserts such as frosted cake and pie, sugary
breakfast foods, table sugar, honey, and syrup. One 12-ounce
can of a regular soft drink has nine teaspoons of sugar.

Finally, good advice is to stay away from alcohol. If you
like an alcoholic drink now and then, ask your dietitian
for advice.

How do you set up a plan for eating healthy foods? You and
your dietitian should work together to design a meal plan
that's right for you and includes foods that you enjoy. A
diabetes meal plan is a guide that tells you how much and
what kinds of food you can choose to eat at meals and
snack times.

A good meal plan should fit in with your schedule and eating
habits. The right meal plan will also help keep your weight
where it should be. Whether you need to lose weight, gain
weight, or stay where you are, your meal plan can help.