Cholesterol level vs. occational alcohol consumption

[Jimmys]

I have been diagnosed with high colesterol level. My doctor
has avised me to do a regular excercise and avoid fatty food
as much as I can.

One thing that I forgot to ask was: what about occational
alcohol consumption (once per week)? does this will effect my
effort for trying to lower the colesterol level?

Thanks in advance

Jimmy

[Rita]

On 20 Jan 2003 10:56:10 -0800, jimmy_sayavong@yahoo.com
(JimmyS) wrote:

>I have been diagnosed with high colesterol level. My doctor
>has avised me to do a regular excercise and avoid fatty food
>as much as I can.
>
>One thing that I forgot to ask was: what about occational
>alcohol consumption (once per week)? does this will effect my
>effort for trying to lower the colesterol level?
>
>Thanks in advance
>
Provided you don't "binge" drink but just have a couple of
drinks, no. Try to cut your intake of non complex
carbohydrates and avoid animal fats -- you need not avoid fats
from non animal sources such as olive oil, nuts, etc. Increase
your intake of vegetables and fruits. Get lots of fiber in
your diet -- oatbran is excellent. And exercise is fully as
important as diet.

[Jack N Dal]

JimmyS

Did your doctor give any indication that there are such things
as medicine
i.e.drugs that can help resolve the problem. There certainly
are supplements and common food extracts that will do the
same thing. Trying to solve it with alcohol the sole
medication is a novel approach. My taste in wines would
make it an extremely expensive solution.

Jack N Dalton

P.S. That advise about "avoid fatty foods" and "exercise"
hardly ever works before the first major heart attack.

JimmyS <jimmy_sayavong@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:425084c0.0301201056.3c58167e@posting.google.com...
> I have been diagnosed with high colesterol level. My doctor
> has avised me to do a regular excercise and avoid fatty food
> as much as I can.
>
> One thing that I forgot to ask was: what about occational
> alcohol consumption (once per week)? does this will effect
> my effort for trying to lower the colesterol level?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
>
> Jimmy

[Arto Raisk]

> My doctor has avised me to do a regular excercise and avoid
> fatty food as much as I can.

for me at least, increasing substantially fatty fish
consumption appears to work well. I also supplement daily
12000 to 15000 (yes, that is thousands) mg of omega3 fish oil
and my HDL has doubled while total cholesterol has dropped
over the last 12 months on this routine

the type of fat I avoid is anything fried

[Dr. Dickie]

jack n dalton wrote:

> JimmyS
>
> Did your doctor give any indication that there are such
> things as medicine
> i.e.drugs that can help resolve the problem. There certainly
> are supplements and common food extracts that will do
> the same thing. Trying to solve it with alcohol the sole
> medication is a novel approach. My taste in wines would
> make it an extremely expensive solution.
>
> Jack N Dalton
>
> P.S. That advise about "avoid fatty foods" and "exercise"
> hardly ever works before the first major heart attack.
>
> JimmyS <jimmy_sayavong@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:425084c0.0301201056.3c58167e@posting.google.com...
> > I have been diagnosed with high colesterol level. My
> > doctor has avised me to do a regular excercise and avoid
> > fatty food as much as I can.
> >
> > One thing that I forgot to ask was: what about occational
> > alcohol consumption (once per week)? does this will effect
> > my effort for trying to lower the colesterol level?
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> >
> >
> > Jimmy

Yes, but it hardly ever works because it is ignored. It is
sound advice (although the fat part is still in debate,
certainly it would be wise to watch fats from a calorie
standpoint--easy to over do it with a little amount).

--

Dr. Dickie Skepticult member in good standing #394-00596-438
Poking kooks with a pointy stick
------------------------------------------------------
"The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has
its own reason for existing."
E. Einstein

[Brad Shepp]

1. research suggests that one or two drinks a day is optimal.
I have a glass of red wine each day.
2. Fats are ok and good if they are the right kind eg olive
oil, fish oil. I eat a tin of sardines in olive oil every
night. Nuts are fatty but good for you.
3. Avoid refined grains and sugar. Have whole grains intead.
Like your mom told you, EAT YOUR FRUITS AND VEGGIES!
4. Ask your doc for a "C-Reactive Protein" test. This predicts
CHD better than cholesteral.

"Men and women with known heart disease risk factors such as
high cholesterol can benefit from moderate to intensive
dietary counseling, the US Preventive Services Task Force
announced this week. As a result, the task force recommends
"intensive behavioral dietary counseling for adult patients
with (elevated cholesterol) and other known risk factors for
cardiovascular and diet-related chronic disease."

jimmy_sayavong@yahoo.com (JimmyS) wrote in message
news:<425084c0.0301201056.3c58167e@posting.google.com>...
> I have been diagnosed with high colesterol level. My doctor
> has avised me to do a regular excercise and avoid fatty food
> as much as I can.
>
> One thing that I forgot to ask was: what about occational
> alcohol consumption (once per week)? does this will effect
> my effort for trying to lower the colesterol level?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
>
> Jimmy

[Jimmys]

"jack n dalton" <jdalton@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:<b0hl25$5t7$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net>...
> JimmyS
>
> Did your doctor give any indication that there are such
> things as medicine
> i.e.drugs that can help resolve the problem. There certainly
> are supplements and common food extracts that will do
> the same thing. Trying to solve it with alcohol the sole
> medication is a novel approach. My taste in wines would
> make it an extremely expensive solution.

No, I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say. I
did not mean to use alcohol as the purpose for lowing the
cholesterol level, but whether it would make it worst or it
should not do anything at all ???. I am a socialble person
and once in a while we would have friends coming for a
drink or two's.

>
> Jack N Dalton
>
> P.S. That advise about "avoid fatty foods" and "exercise"
> hardly ever works before the first major heart attack.
>
>
>
> JimmyS <jimmy_sayavong@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:425084c0.0301201056.3c58167e@posting.google.com...
> > I have been diagnosed with high colesterol level. My
> > doctor has avised me to do a regular excercise and avoid
> > fatty food as much as I can.
> >
> > One thing that I forgot to ask was: what about occational
> > alcohol consumption (once per week)? does this will effect
> > my effort for trying to lower the colesterol level?
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> >
> >
> > Jimmy

[Hrj]

"Arto Raiskio" <arto@raiskio.com> wrote in message
news:b0jisi$pt4ka$1@ID-102906.news.dfncis.de...
> > My doctor has avised me to do a regular excercise and
> > avoid fatty food as much as I can.
>
> for me at least, increasing substantially fatty fish
> consumption appears to work well. I also supplement daily
> 12000 to 15000 (yes, that is thousands) mg of omega3 fish
> oil and my HDL has doubled while total cholesterol has
> dropped over the last 12 months on this routine
>
> the type of fat I avoid is anything fried
>
What is your HDL-C at this regimen?

[Rita]

On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:44:42 +0200, "Arto Raiskio"
<arto@raiskio.com> wrote:

>> My doctor has avised me to do a regular excercise and avoid
>> fatty food as much as I can.
>
>for me at least, increasing substantially fatty fish
>consumption appears to work well. I also supplement daily
>12000 to 15000 (yes, that is thousands) mg of omega3 fish oil
>and my HDL has doubled while total cholesterol has dropped
>over the last 12 months on this routine
>
>the type of fat I avoid is anything fried

What product do you use for the fish oil?

[Dr. Dickie]

Brad Sheppard wrote:

> 1. research suggests that one or two drinks a day is
> optimal. I have a glass of red wine each day.
> 2. Fats are ok and good if they are the right kind eg olive
> oil, fish oil. I eat a tin of sardines in olive oil
> every night. Nuts are fatty but good for you.
> 3. Avoid refined grains and sugar. Have whole grains
> intead. Like your mom told you, EAT YOUR FRUITS AND
> VEGGIES!
> 4. Ask your doc for a "C-Reactive Protein" test. This
> predicts CHD better than cholesteral.
>
> "Men and women with known heart disease risk factors such as
> high cholesterol can benefit from moderate to intensive
> dietary counseling, the US Preventive Services Task Force
> announced this week. As a result, the task force recommends
> "intensive behavioral dietary counseling for adult patients
> with (elevated cholesterol) and other known risk factors for
> cardiovascular and diet-related chronic disease."
>
>
>
> jimmy_sayavong@yahoo.com (JimmyS) wrote in message
> news:<425084c0.0301201056.3c58167e@posting.google.com>...
> > I have been diagnosed with high colesterol level. My
> > doctor has avised me to do a regular excercise and avoid
> > fatty food as much as I can.
> >
> > One thing that I forgot to ask was: what about occational
> > alcohol consumption (once per week)? does this will effect
> > my effort for trying to lower the colesterol level?
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> >
> >
> > Jimmy

All good stuff (and I do all of them); however, you forgot
to plug number one, exercise! Your doctor was right to
encourage you to exercise. IMHO, it is more important that
diet in getting things under control (aids in weight loss,
weight control, triglycerides levels, cholesterol levels, CV
health, etc.).
--

Dr. Dickie Skepticult member in good standing #394-00596-438
Poking kooks with a pointy stick
------------------------------------------------------
"The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has
its own reason for existing."
E. Einstein

[Rita]

On Wed, 22 Jan 2003 06:55:22 -0500, "Dr. Dickie"
<dr_dickie@chembench.com> wrote:

>
>All good stuff (and I do all of them); however, you forgot
>to plug number one, exercise! Your doctor was right to
>encourage you to exercise. IMHO, it is more important that
>diet in getting things under control (aids in weight loss,
>weight control, triglycerides levels, cholesterol levels, CV
>health, etc.).

I tried lowering cholesterol with diet alone. Didn't work. In
fact, on a high carb, low fat diet, it increased. My doctor
said, "exercise."

Committing to an exercise routine, say five days a week,
combining weight training and cardio, is truly a
lifestyle change, far more so than tinkering around with
some food formulas.

For weight control or loss, lowering blood pressure and
cholesterol, however, you can't beat it. Yes, diet is
important also. The same kind of eating that makes your
exercise more effective will accomplish the other goals as
well.

Frankly, I see Americans in general far more willing to commit
to almost any diet regime than to start moving their bodies in
a vigorous fashion a few times a week. And I understand why
this is -- it takes some dedication and sustained interest,
perhaps a rearrangement of daily schedules and at first
results often in sore muscles and other ouchies. Eventually
you will become "hooked' on exercise and feel something is
wrong if you don't do it. But the initial plunge is not
necessarily easy.

I have seen remarkable results in six months of getting off my
duff and going to the gym four or five or six days a week. The
time involved in the actual exercise is no more than 45
minutes at most. Committing to doing it is the hardest part. I
look at my senior gym membership of $40 a month as an
investment in health. I'd rather pay that than pay for meds.

I read in this group posts from people who argue endlessly
about body chemistry and food chemistry. More power to them if
this entertains them. But unless they also exercise I am not
particularly interested in their advice.

That's why I think the group should be revamped to
sci.med.nutrition- exercise.

[Brad Shepp]

Yes - good point - exercise is vital to prevent heart disease,
diabetes, and weight gain. I recommend morning workouts - the
dropout rate for morning exercisers is much lower. If it's too
cold outside consider joining a gym or buying a treadmill.

"Dr. Dickie" <dr_dickie@chembench.com> wrote in message
news:<3E2E86AA.E87D2AD5@chembench.com>...
> Brad Sheppard wrote:
>
> > 1. research suggests that one or two drinks a day is
> > optimal. I have a glass of red wine each day.
> > 2. Fats are ok and good if they are the right kind eg
> > olive oil, fish oil. I eat a tin of sardines in olive
> > oil every night. Nuts are fatty but good for you.
> > 3. Avoid refined grains and sugar. Have whole grains
> > intead. Like your mom told you, EAT YOUR FRUITS AND
> > VEGGIES!
> > 4. Ask your doc for a "C-Reactive Protein" test. This
> > predicts CHD better than cholesteral.
> >
> > "Men and women with known heart disease risk factors such
> > as high cholesterol can benefit from moderate to intensive
> > dietary counseling, the US Preventive Services Task Force
> > announced this week. As a result, the task force
> > recommends "intensive behavioral dietary counseling for
> > adult patients with (elevated cholesterol) and other known
> > risk factors for cardiovascular and diet-related chronic
> > disease."
> >
> >
> >
> > jimmy_sayavong@yahoo.com (JimmyS) wrote in message
> > news:<425084c0.0301201056.3c58167e@posting.google.com>...
> > > I have been diagnosed with high colesterol level. My
> > > doctor has avised me to do a regular excercise and avoid
> > > fatty food as much as I can.
> > >
> > > One thing that I forgot to ask was: what about
> > > occational alcohol consumption (once per week)? does
> > > this will effect my effort for trying to lower the
> > > colesterol level?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance
> > >
> > >
> > > Jimmy
>
> All good stuff (and I do all of them); however, you forgot
> to plug number one, exercise! Your doctor was right to
> encourage you to exercise. IMHO, it is more important that
> diet in getting things under control (aids in weight loss,
> weight control, triglycerides levels, cholesterol levels, CV
> health, etc.).
> --
>
> Dr. Dickie Skepticult member in good standing #394-00596-438
> Poking kooks with a pointy stick
> ------------------------------------------------------
> "The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity
> has its own reason for existing."
> A. Einstein

[Eric Bohlm]

Brad@sheppardsoftware.com (Brad Sheppard) wrote in
news:b06e736a.0301220757.150f3b32@posting.google.com:

> Yes - good point - exercise is vital to prevent heart
> disease, diabetes, and weight gain. I recommend morning
> workouts - the dropout rate for morning exercisers is much
> lower. If it's too cold outside consider joining a gym or
> buying a treadmill.

Note that this assumes that you're a "morning person" like
most, but not all, people are. If you're the sort who comes
alive later in the day, then you're probably going to be more
likely to stick with evening exercise. The important thing is
to pick a time when *you're* going to do it.

[Rita]

On 22 Jan 2003 07:57:26 -0800, Brad@sheppardsoftware.com (Brad
Sheppard) wrote:

>Yes - good point - exercise is vital to prevent heart
>disease, diabetes, and weight gain. I recommend morning
>workouts - the dropout rate for morning exercisers is much
>lower. If it's too cold outside consider joining a gym or
>buying a treadmill.
>
Rather than fuss about the time for a workout, just do it
whenever you can. Too much worrying about best times and so
forth often defeats poeple. Do it morning, do it mid day, do
it at night. Just do it. And if you miss a workout, just pick
yourself up and go for the next one. There are a wide number
of choices of both outdoor and indoor exercise to choose from.
The best is that which you are willing to stick with and
progress in.

I am retired and the time of day I get to the gym varies..
Some people are forced to exercise before or after work, and
some join gyms near their work and do it on lunch hours.

[Xavier]

Hello Arto,

What you say is quite interesting. You have experienced an
improvement in your cholesterol level bacause of the intake of
omega3 oil from fish. I assume you can find this oil in fishes
like salmon.

but the point is, are there any supplements available of
omega3 in any form? how do you know the daily amount of omega3
you are taking.

Thank you, Best luck,

"Arto Raiskio" <arto@raiskio.com> wrote in message
news:<b0jisi$pt4ka$1@ID-102906.news.dfncis.de>...
> > My doctor has avised me to do a regular excercise and
> > avoid fatty food as much as I can.
>
> for me at least, increasing substantially fatty fish
> consumption appears to work well. I also supplement daily
> 12000 to 15000 (yes, that is thousands) mg of omega3 fish
> oil and my HDL has doubled while total cholesterol has
> dropped over the last 12 months on this routine
>
> the type of fat I avoid is anything fried