White Rice

[Ann T. M.]

I read recently that white rice is not a good thing to eat.
Huh?

Does this mean Basmati rice, sticky rice, most of the rice
they eat in Japan and China is unhealthy?

Or is "white rice" the processed kind you get in an Uncle
Ben's box? Can rice even be processed?

I am confused...

Ann

[Doe]

>Subject: White Rice From: artistic_annie@hotmail.com (Ann T.
>M.) Date: 1/18/2003 7:05 PM Mountain Standard Time
>Message-id: <2a2a84f6.0301181805.1b62d88b@posting.google.com>
>
>I read recently that white rice is not a good thing to
>eat. Huh?
>
>Does this mean Basmati rice, sticky rice, most of the rice
>they eat in Japan and China is unhealthy?
>
>Or is "white rice" the processed kind you get in an Uncle
>Ben's box? Can rice even be processed?
>
>I am confused...
>

RICE

Rice is the staple food for two-thirds of the world's
population. This simple grain has been a popular
life-sustaining food for thousands of years because it is
nutritious, versatile, economical, easy to prepare, and tastes
great! Rice is a good source of essential nutrients- thiamin,
riboflavin, niacin, phosphorus, iron, and potassium. Rice is
healthful for what it does not contain as well. It has no fat,
cholesterol and no sodium. There seems to some confusion as to
the nutritional quality of white rice compared to brown rice.
Brown rice keeps its outer shell, whereas white rice is milled
and looses its shell. Although removing just the outer bran
layers would still leave most of the nutrients, further
milling takes place. The rice is bleached, cleaned, pearled
(polished with talc), then often oiled and coated. This may
make the rice more pleasing, even somewhat more digestible,
but it unfortunately removes many of the nutrients. The oils
are lost, the protein decreases, and most (80 percent) of the
thiamine (B1) is removed, as well as other B vitamins. To
replace nutrients lost during milling, the majority of white
rice is vitamin fortified. Note: Many people will avoid white
rice because of bad publicity. Although it is not as
nutritious as brown rice, it is still a great alternative to
most other foods. Both brown and white rice are nutritious,
however brown rice provides more fiber, B vitamins, vitamin E,
phosphorus, and calcium than white rice. One of the things
that make rice such a great food is its versatility. It can be
made a part of many meals and recipes for soups, salads, main
dishes, and desserts. Besides just being boiled to be eaten
with vegetables, tofu, beans, and so on, rice can be popped
and used as a breakfast cereal. Cream of rice, another
breakfast cereal, is made from ground rice. Rice cakes are
becoming very popular and can be found in most stores. They
are a low-calorie, low-sodium, low-cholesterol, high-fiber
snack and may be eaten plain, with butter, or with nut
butters. Rice flour can be used in breads, cookies, and often
in baked goods, and more of these products are available now
for people who are moving away from wheat. Several recent rice
products that are very good include mochi, a hard cake made
from sweet rice that can be baked into crunchy and tasty rice
balls; rice-based ice creams (Rice Dream®); and rice milk, a
rich and sweet rice drink. Rice milk is a good option for a
dairy milk replacement.

Rice is not as high in protein as wheat and some other grains,
but the protein is very good quality and easily usable. Brown
rice is better in thiamine, biotin, niacin, pyridoxine, and
pantothenic and folic acids than it is in riboflavin and
vitamin B12. It has no vitamins A or C, but some vitamin E.
Rice, if grown in selenium-rich soil, is very rich in
selenium, a scarce but important trace mineral. Magnesium,
manganese, potassium, zinc, and iron are all found in good
amounts. Sodium is low, but phosphorus, copper, and calcium
are all available. White rice, even when enriched, is lower in
all of these minerals, yet, whole grain rice is one our more
broad-based, nutrient-rich foods.

Types of rice

Wild rice - Wild rice is a special and more expensive type of
rice (it is actually not rice, but a different grain plant).
It has twice as much protein as regular rice, and more niacin,
riboflavin, iron, and phosphorus than brown rice, though less
of many other nutrients.

Sweet rice - Sweet rice is more glutenous or gelatinous
than other varieties and is used mostly for desserts such
as rice pudding.

Short Grain - as the name suggests short size grain, also
called 'Japonica' consumed mostly in South Asia and parts
of Europe.

Long Grain - Longer grain native of Indian sub-continent
'Indica'. Most of the world consumes this variety.

Basmati - An extra long aromatic grain variety grown in North
Indian plains, needs special care and longer time to
cultivate. Considered to be the highest quality variety.

Instant - Instant rice has been cooked and then dehydrated. It
will reabsorb water almost instantly when you cook it.

Converted - Converted rice is cooked under pressure before it
is milled. This forces the vitamins and minerals into the
grain and loosens the bran so that it slips off easily when
the rice is milled. Converted rice maintains more vitamins and
minerals than conventionally milled white rice.

Packaged - Many packaged rice products are now available
that provide great side dishes for meals. Almost any
brand available in the natural foods section is a good
quality product.

Nutrient content of rice

(white rice is enriched, serving size is 1 cup) Type Protein
Fat Carbo. Magnesium Iron Brown 4.5 grams 1.2 grams 46 grams
86mg. 1.0mg. White 4.8 grams 0.2 grams 59 grams 13mg. 3.0mg.
Wild 6.5 grams 0.4 grams 35 grams 53mg. 1.0mg.

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[Klmok]

On 19 Jan 2003 04:31:26 GMT, ironjustice@aol.comdoe
(doe) wrote:

Rice, I believe is the second most important grain and eaten
by a few billion people. Many nutrients are (mechanically?)
removed in the polishing process. It is not possible to
extract these nutrients from the dregs and repackage them as
nutritional supplements? As a natural grain source of
nutrients it has many politically correct and certainly
nutritive attractive points. Furthermore all the grain growing
regions would have produced enough abraded grain nutrients to
make it worth extracting to support a local industry . These
suppplements would indeed improve the health of the locals.
Any reason why no one thought of this before?

>Rice is not as high in protein as wheat and some other
>grains, but the protein is very good quality and easily
>usable. Brown rice is better in thiamine, biotin, niacin,
>pyridoxine, and pantothenic and folic acids than it is in
>riboflavin and vitamin B12. It has no vitamins A or C, but
>some vitamin E. Rice, if grown in selenium-rich soil, is very
>rich in selenium, a scarce but important trace mineral.
>Magnesium, manganese, potassium, zinc, and iron are all found
>in good amounts. Sodium is low, but phosphorus, copper, and
>calcium are all available. White rice, even when enriched, is
>lower in all of these minerals, yet, whole grain rice is one
>our more broad-based, nutrient-rich foods.

[Dr. S. Gee]

DATE: 18 Jan 2003 18:05:01 -0800 TO: Ann T. M. FROM: Dr. S.
Geek, Ph.D. SUBJECT: "White Rice." NG: sci.med.nutrition
==========

>I am confused...

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!

You are not entitled to an opinion unless you have a PhD
behind your name, ... Geek!
--
Another we know next to nothing about nutrition moment brought
to you by Dr. S. Geek, Ph.D.

Science is all about knowing less and less about more and
more.

[N-H-P]

Once upon a time, our fellow Ann T. M. rambled on about "White
Rice." Our champion De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition
retorts, thusly ...

>I read recently that white rice is not a good thing to
>eat. Huh?

>Does this mean Basmati rice, sticky rice, most of the rice
>they eat in Japan and China is unhealthy?

>Or is "white rice" the processed kind you get in an Uncle
>Ben's box? Can rice even be processed?

>I am confused...

Rice, like many other foods, come in a range of food
processing choices.

The best choice for health is standard brown rice. Instant
brown rice has an additional level of food processing which
makes it less desirable health wise. Amazingly brown rice when
cooked is *not* very brown in color. American Chinese food
restaurants saturate brown rice with soy sauce which gives it
an unnatural dark brown color. Cooked brown rice is actually
quite white looking.

White rice is processed rice and is not as deliverable as
brown rice. Less desirable of all is instant white rice.

I believe that Uncle Ben's white rice is actually instant
white rice.

Japan and China just like any other developed culture is
subject to the pressures of modernization and fast food. White
rice appeals to some people simply because it is white, and
has an upper class status appeal.

Hark! My private health newsgroup beckons!
--
John Gohde, Achieving good Nutrition is an Art, NOT a Science!

The nutrition of eating a healthy diet is the foundation of
the biomedical model of natural health. Weighing in at 17
webpages, Nutrition (www.Food.NaturalHealthPerspective.com/)
is now with more documentation and sharper terminology than
ever before.

[Wuzzy]

artistic_annie@hotmail.com (Ann T. M.) wrote in message
news:<2a2a84f6.0301181805.1b62d88b@posting.google.com>...
> I read recently that white rice is not a good thing to
> eat. Huh?
>
> Does this mean Basmati rice, sticky rice, most of the rice
> they eat in Japan and China is unhealthy?
>
> Or is "white rice" the processed kind you get in an Uncle
> Ben's box? Can rice even be processed?
>
> I am confused...
>
> Ann

Couple of comments on asian diet: The rice isn't usually the
part thats considered healthy in Japanese diet (JD): JD has
more essential fatty acids (omega-3 3.0 vs. 1.5g/d) and about
the same amount of vegetable fats as americans (both 15g
PUFA/d), but it has almost half the amount of animal fats (15g
vs. 30g saturated and 19 vs 30 MUFA - MUFA is an animal fat,
olive oil only minor contributer in JD/ADs)

If americans can learn from the Japanese it is to replace
animal fats with essential fats. The other major difference is
what I call americans are suffering from over "bed-rest".
Consider that just talking to your neighbour *doubles* your
caloric expenditure: MET score goes from 1.0 to 2.0. This is
not minor: if you were to talk all day (24hrs) you'd expend
4000Kcal whereas normal ppl expend ~2000Kcal/d. Gives you an
idea of what 3hrs sitting in a bus vs. 3hrs doing stuff can
mean. Small stuff like this lifestyle difference translates to
big difference even in small periods of time (a few months).
No-one got that, I am not stressing it as much as I should.
Maybe in another message.

Also Japanese university students typically diet by reducing
their rice intake since that is the major source of calories..

Other than that you may hear that the problem with
recommending replacing carbohydrates (rice) for animal fats
(ie a japanese diet) is that carbs adversly affect HDL, TAG
and HBA1C.[these are not up for debate].

[Rich Andre]

N-H-P <N-H-P@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:5m3l2v0dsv4nm8cm5sskrb19dc865esoai@4ax.com:

> Once upon a time, our fellow Ann T. M. rambled on about
> "White Rice." Our champion De-Medicalizing in
> sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...
>
>>I read recently that white rice is not a good thing to
>>eat. Huh?
>
>>Does this mean Basmati rice, sticky rice, most of the rice
>>they eat in Japan and China is unhealthy?
>
>>Or is "white rice" the processed kind you get in an Uncle
>>Ben's box? Can rice even be processed?
>
>>I am confused...
>
> Rice, like many other foods, come in a range of food
> processing choices.
>
> The best choice for health is standard brown rice. Instant
> brown rice has an additional level of food processing which
> makes it less desirable health wise. Amazingly brown rice
> when cooked is *not* very brown in color. American Chinese
> food restaurants saturate brown rice with soy sauce which
> gives it an unnatural dark brown color. Cooked brown rice is
> actually quite white looking.
>
> White rice is processed rice and is not as deliverable as
> brown rice. Less desirable of all is instant white rice.
>
> I believe that Uncle Ben's white rice is actually instant
> white rice.
>
> Japan and China just like any other developed culture is
> subject to the pressures of modernization and fast food.
> White rice appeals to some people simply because it is
> white, and has an upper class status appeal.
>
> Hark! My private health newsgroup beckons!
> --
> John Gohde, Achieving good Nutrition is an Art, NOT a
> Science!
>
> The nutrition of eating a healthy diet is the foundation of
> the biomedical model of natural health. Weighing in at 17
> webpages, Nutrition (www.Food.NaturalHealthPerspective.com/)
> is now with more documentation and sharper terminology than
> ever before.
>

What about brown eggs? Are brown eggs more nutritous that
white eggs?

r

--
"I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed,
de-briefed, or numbered...My life is my own."

"I am not a number. I am a free man." No. 6

[Dr. S. Gee]

DATE: 19 Jan 2003 18:07:39 -0800 TO: wuzzy FROM: Dr. S. Geek,
Ph.D. SUBJECT: "Re: White Rice." NG: sci.med.nutrition
==========

>Also Japanese university students typically diet by reducing
>their rice intake since that is the major source of
>calories..

I thought that Japanese university students typically commit
ritualized suicide?

Fuzzy Wuzzy was a bear. Fuzzy Wuzzy had no hair. Fuzzy Wuzzy
wasn’t fuzzy, was he? Well, was he?
--
Another we know next to nothing about nutrition moment brought
to you by Dr. S. Geek, Ph.D.

Science is all about knowing less and less about more and
more.

[Dr. S. Gee]

DATE: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 01:43:39 -0000 TO: Rich Andrews FROM:
Dr. S. Geek, Ph.D. SUBJECT: "Re: White Rice." NG:
sci.med.nutrition
==========

>What about brown eggs? Are brown eggs more nutritous that
>white eggs?

What about A-Holes? Are A-Holes brown or white?

Ha, ... Hah, Ha!
--
Another we know next to nothing about nutrition moment brought
to you by Dr. S. Geek, Ph.D.

Science is all about knowing less and less about more and
more.

[John Poind]

Rich Andrews <n0spam@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:Xns9308C8AE04371mc2500183316chgoill@216.168.3.44:

> --
> "I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed,
> de-briefed, or numbered...My life is my own."
>
> "I am not a number. I am a free man." No. 6

Which side are you on?
- That would be telling. What do you want?
- We want Information. Information. Information. Well, you
won't get it!
- By hook or by crook, we will.

Ibid.

[Gym Bob]

brown eggs come from Rhode Island Red hens

"Rich Andrews" <n0spam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9308C8AE04371mc2500183316chgoill@216.168.3.44...
> N-H-P <N-H-P@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:5m3l2v0dsv4nm8cm5sskrb19dc865esoai@4ax.com:
>
> > Once upon a time, our fellow Ann T. M. rambled on about
> > "White Rice." Our champion De-Medicalizing in
> > sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...
> >
> >>I read recently that white rice is not a good thing to
> >>eat. Huh?
> >
> >>Does this mean Basmati rice, sticky rice, most of the rice
> >>they eat in Japan and China is unhealthy?
> >
> >>Or is "white rice" the processed kind you get in an Uncle
> >>Ben's box? Can rice even be processed?
> >
> >>I am confused...
> >
> > Rice, like many other foods, come in a range of food
> > processing choices.
> >
> > The best choice for health is standard brown rice. Instant
> > brown rice has an additional level of food processing
> > which makes it less desirable health wise. Amazingly brown
> > rice when cooked is *not* very brown in color. American
> > Chinese food restaurants saturate brown rice with soy
> > sauce which gives it an unnatural dark brown color. Cooked
> > brown rice is actually quite white looking.
> >
> > White rice is processed rice and is not as deliverable as
> > brown rice. Less desirable of all is instant white rice.
> >
> > I believe that Uncle Ben's white rice is actually instant
> > white rice.
> >
> > Japan and China just like any other developed culture is
> > subject to the pressures of modernization and fast food.
> > White rice appeals to some people simply because it is
> > white, and has an upper class status appeal.
> >
> > Hark! My private health newsgroup beckons!
> > --
> > John Gohde, Achieving good Nutrition is an Art, NOT a
> > Science!
> >
> > The nutrition of eating a healthy diet is the foundation
> > of the biomedical model of natural health. Weighing in at
> > 17 webpages, Nutrition
> > (www.Food.NaturalHealthPerspective.com/) is now with more
> > documentation and sharper terminology than ever before.
> >
>
> What about brown eggs? Are brown eggs more nutritous that
> white eggs?
>
> r
>
>
> --
> "I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed,
> de-briefed, or numbered...My life is my own."
>
> "I am not a number. I am a free man." No. 6

[Doug Frees]

Gym Bob wrote:
> brown eggs come from Rhode Island Red hens

And chocolate milk comes from brown cows. He wanted to know if
there was a nutritional difference between white and brown
eggs not who laid them. :)

--
Caveat Lector "the further you go outside, the further you go
inside" - B. McKibben Doug Freese dfreese@hvc.rr.com

[Gym Bob]

Chocolate milk does not come from brown cows.

I was attempting to dispell an old wive's tale about brown
eggs being somehow "non-bleached" or healthier for you as
associated with bread and flour and sugar being bleached.
Brown eggs simply come from a different breed of hen.

"Doug Freese" <dfreese@hvc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:3E371B9E.20008@hvc.rr.com...
>
>
> Gym Bob wrote:
> > brown eggs come from Rhode Island Red hens
>
> And chocolate milk comes from brown cows. He wanted to know
> if there was a nutritional difference between white and
> brown eggs not who laid them. :)
>
>
>
> --
> Caveat Lector "the further you go outside, the further you
> go inside" - B. McKibben Doug Freese dfreese@hvc.rr.com

[Priscilla]

In sci.med.nutrition Gym Bob <none@spam.com> wrote:
>Chocolate milk does not come from brown cows.

>I was attempting to dispell an old wive's tale about brown
>eggs being somehow "non-bleached" or healthier for you as
>associated with bread and flour and sugar being bleached.
>Brown eggs simply come from a different breed of hen.

I can recall a radio advertisement, possibly from my youth
in New York. "Brown eggs are local eggs, and local eggs
are fresh!"

In another geographical area, the reverse might have
been true.

Priscilla
--
"I would listen to Priscilla. Her advice is excellent!"

-- Frankenmel (Sharon) on alt.support.menopause

[Roman]

"doe" <ironjustice@aol.comdoe> wrote in message
news:20030119095311.04849.00000171@mb-cg.aol.com...
> >Subject: Re: White Rice
> >
> >Rice, I believe is the second most important grain and
> >eaten by a few billion people. Many nutrients are
> >(mechanically?) removed in the polishing process. It is not
> >possible to extract these nutrients from the dregs and
> >repackage them as nutritional supplements? Any reason why
> >no one thought of this before?
> >
>
> It is called rice bran and its derivatives and it is being
> used to 'treat'
many
> different diseases .. mainly DUE TO the lack OF the
> substance .. bran ..
taken
> out of the food ..
>
> Good idea for whoever thought of it ..

NutraStar is a company that does that --
http://www.nutrastar.com/. It makes stabilized rice bran
based products.

Roman

[Roman]

"wuzzy" <mypcos@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d996c21a.0301191807.4a3ac843@posting.google.com...
> artistic_annie@hotmail.com (Ann T. M.) wrote in message
news:<2a2a84f6.0301181805.1b62d88b@posting.google.com>...
> Couple of comments on asian diet: The rice isn't usually the
> part thats considered healthy in Japanese diet (JD): JD has
> more essential fatty acids (omega-3 3.0 vs. 1.5g/d) and
> about the same amount of vegetable fats as americans (both
> 15g PUFA/d), but it has almost half the amount of animal
> fats (15g vs. 30g saturated and 19 vs 30 MUFA - MUFA is an
> animal fat, olive oil only minor contributer in JD/ADs)
>
> If americans can learn from the Japanese it is to replace
> animal fats with essential fats.

How can you prove that difference in diet is what makes
Japanese healthier (and are they)? There's a difference
between correlation and cause-effect relationship. I remember
reading about a study that showed that those Japanese
immigrants who accepted western diet but kept their
traditional life style were significantly healthier than those
who kept their diet but accepted hectic western life style.
There are many factors in developing of a disease, and diet is
only a part of it. And their smaller consumption of saturated
fats may have nothing to do with their better health. Masai of
Kenya are known to be virtually free of degenerative disease
even though their diet consists of mostly meat, milk (up to
two quarts a day), and blood. "Harras A, ed. Cancer Rates and
Risks, 4th Edition, 1996, National Institutes of Health,
National Cancer Institute. This report shows that the
Japanese, and Asians in general, have lower rates of breast
and prostate cancer but much higher rates of other types of
cancer, particularly cancer of the esophagus, stomach,
pancreas and liver." -- from
http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/soy_studies.html

Roman

[John De Ho]

Roman wrote...

> Harass A, ed. Cancer Rates and Risks, 4th Edition, 1996,
> National Institutes of Health, National Cancer Institute.
> This report shows that the Japanese, and Asians in general,
> have lower rates of breast and prostate cancer but much
> higher rates of other types of cancer, particularly cancer
> of the esophagus, stomach, pancreas and liver.

The study, if it is honest and thorough, should also show that
the various kinds of cancer in Japan and other parts of Asia
vary considerably from one region to another. The Asian diet
is not homogenous even within individual countries. The
environmental factors, life styles and other variants are also
largely regional. So is longevity, which obviously affects
whether people will get cancer or die off before they get
(diagnosable) cancer.

In Japan, for example, stomach cancer rates are abnormally
high only in certain regions, in particular some northern
prefectures where food is still heavily salted and pickled.
The average Japanese diet is not notably prone to cancer or to
other diseases, but certain variants of it may be.

--
John De Hoog http://dehoog.org

[Sandy]

On Sun, 2 Feb 2003 18:03:58 -0600, "Roman"
<r_rom@yahoo.com> wrote:

>"wuzzy" <mypcos@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:d996c21a.0301191807.4a3ac843@posting.google.com...
>> artistic_annie@hotmail.com (Ann T. M.) wrote in message
>news:<2a2a84f6.0301181805.1b62d88b@posting.google.com>...
>> Couple of comments on asian diet: The rice isn't usually
>> the part thats considered healthy in Japanese diet (JD): JD
>> has more essential fatty acids (omega-3 3.0 vs. 1.5g/d) and
>> about the same amount of vegetable fats as americans (both
>> 15g PUFA/d), but it has almost half the amount of animal
>> fats (15g vs. 30g saturated and 19 vs 30 MUFA - MUFA is an
>> animal fat, olive oil only minor contributer in JD/ADs)
>>
>> If americans can learn from the Japanese it is to replace
>> animal fats with essential fats.
>
>How can you prove that difference in diet is what makes
>Japanese healthier (and are they)?

Epidemiology. You should try it :)

>There's a difference between correlation and cause-effect
>relationship. I remember reading about a study that showed
>that those Japanese immigrants who accepted western diet but
>kept their traditional life style were significantly
>healthier than those who kept their diet but accepted hectic
>western life style. There are many factors in developing of a
>disease, and diet is only a part of it. And their smaller
>consumption of saturated fats may have nothing to do with
>their better health. Masai of Kenya are known to be virtually
>free of degenerative disease even though their diet consists
>of mostly meat, milk (up to two quarts a day), and blood.
>"Harras A, ed. Cancer Rates and Risks, 4th Edition, 1996,
>National Institutes of Health, National Cancer Institute.
>This report shows that the Japanese, and Asians in general,
>have lower rates of breast and prostate cancer but much
>higher rates of other types of cancer, particularly cancer of
>the esophagus, stomach, pancreas and liver." -- from
>http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/soy_studies.html

That fringey WestonPrice again.

Sandy

[Sandy]

On Sun, 2 Feb 2003 17:47:40 -0600, "Roman"
<r_rom@yahoo.com> wrote:

>"doe" <ironjustice@aol.comdoe> wrote in message
>news:20030119095311.04849.00000171@mb-cg.aol.com...
>> >Subject: Re: White Rice
>> >
>> >Rice, I believe is the second most important grain and
>> >eaten by a few billion people. Many nutrients are
>> >(mechanically?) removed in the polishing process. It is
>> >not possible to extract these nutrients from the dregs and
>> >repackage them as nutritional supplements? Any reason why
>> >no one thought of this before?
>> >
>>
>> It is called rice bran and its derivatives and it is being
>> used to 'treat'
>many
>> different diseases .. mainly DUE TO the lack OF the
>> substance .. bran ..
>taken
>> out of the food ..
>>
>> Good idea for whoever thought of it ..
>
>NutraStar is a company that does that --
>http://www.nutrastar.com/. It makes stabilized rice bran
>based products.

Save your money and eat whole grain rice. (And other
wholefoods)

Sandy

[Roman]

"John De Hoog" <dehoog@dehoog.org> wrote in message
news:c4j%9.4395$uI5.127060@news.randori.com...
> Roman wrote...
>
> The study, if it is honest and thorough, should also show
> that the various kinds of cancer in Japan and other parts of
> Asia vary considerably from
one
> region to another. The Asian diet is not homogenous even
> within individual countries. The environmental factors, life
> styles and other variants are also largely regional. So is
> longevity, which obviously affects whether people will get
> cancer or die off before they get (diagnosable) cancer.
>
> In Japan, for example, stomach cancer rates are abnormally
> high only in certain regions, in particular some northern
> prefectures where food is
still
> heavily salted and pickled. The average Japanese diet is not
> notably prone to cancer or to other diseases, but certain
> variants of it may be.

Yeah, this science (health related) is very difficult. While
nutritionists look for dietary reasons for illness and health,
the main reason may be unrelated to diet. What you said seems
to support (maybe unintentionally) what I said -- that it is
probably too simple to say "reduce this and that fat as xyz
people do and be healthy".

Roman

[Roman]

"Sandy" <S@S.S> wrote in message
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> >How can you prove that difference in diet is what makes
> >Japanese
healthier
> >(and are they)?
>
> Epidemiology. You should try it :)

That doesn't answer my question. Health is affected my
multiple factors. If you just study one of them but think
you've covered all, you might make a fool of yourself. Try
studying logic.

> That fringey WestonPrice again.

If you disagree with something they say, be specific and argue
your point. Otherwise, you are just another Dr. you know who,
polluting the net.

Roman

[Sandy]

On Sun, 2 Feb 2003 23:24:18 -0600, "Roman"
<r_rom@yahoo.com> wrote:

>"Sandy" <S@S.S> wrote in message
>news:vcor3vor9qlcmnh4tkj6qo6o8d40bvtiid@4ax.com...
>> >How can you prove that difference in diet is what makes
>> >Japanese
>healthier
>> >(and are they)?
>>
>> Epidemiology. You should try it :)
>
>That doesn't answer my question.

I don't know what more to add. Do you have any other
suggestions as to how to prove this observed correlation is
causative?

>Health is affected my multiple factors.

Yes. And epidemiology takes into account ALL factors.

>If you just study one of them but think you've covered all,
>you might make a fool of yourself. Try studying logic.

Yes, see above.

>> That fringey WestonPrice again.
>
>If you disagree with something they say, be specific and
>argue your point.

I thought I had.

>Otherwise, you are just another Dr. you know who,
>polluting the net.

Sorry, you've lost me.

Sandy

[Roman]

"Sandy" <S@S.S> wrote in message
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>
> I don't know what more to add. Do you have any other
> suggestions as to how to prove this observed correlation is
> causative?

One way might be trying to prove your theory in practice.

> >Health is affected my multiple factors.
>
> Yes. And epidemiology takes into account ALL factors

Many epidemiological studies just study some nutrition aspects
and correlate them with some diseases. Hence, you see simple
conclusions like "Eat soy as Japanese and be healthy" or "Eat
rice as Chinese" or "Eat more olive oil" or "Eat less
saturated fats", etc. Lifestyle is generally ignored in
nutritional epidemiological studies. And lifestyle may be the
most important factor is relatively better health of members
of a particular people.

> >> That fringey WestonPrice again.
> >
> >If you disagree with something they say, be specific and
> >argue your
point.
>
> I thought I had.

No, you didn't. You just used a misspelled version of the word
fringy (or was some Australian slang).

> >Otherwise, you are just another Dr. you know who, polluting
> >the net.
>
> Sorry, you've lost me.

That's OK.

Roman

[Sandy]

On Mon, 3 Feb 2003 23:40:49 -0600, "Roman"
<r_rom@yahoo.com> wrote:

>"Sandy" <S@S.S> wrote in message
>news:jaas3v4rq5tskmelgh8qvvrdk9vfn31lqe@4ax.com...
>>
>> I don't know what more to add. Do you have any other
>> suggestions as to how to prove this observed correlation is
>> causative?
>
>One way might be trying to prove your theory in practice.

You asked: "How can you prove that difference in diet is what
makes Japanese healthier[?]"

I responded: "Epidemiology."

You responded:

"That doesn't answer my question. Health is affected my
multiple factors. If you just study one of them but think
you've covered all, you might make a fool of yourself. Try
studying logic."

The conversation continued as above.

What on Earth do you mean with "One way might be trying to
prove your theory in practice."? What theory are you
referring to?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>> >Health is affected my multiple factors.
>>
>> Yes. And epidemiology takes into account ALL factors
>
>Many epidemiological studies just study some nutrition
>aspects and correlate them with some diseases. Hence, you see
>simple conclusions like "Eat soy as Japanese and be healthy"
>or "Eat rice as Chinese" or "Eat more olive oil" or "Eat less
>saturated fats", etc. Lifestyle is generally ignored in
>nutritional epidemiological studies.

The ones you quote, maybe.

>And lifestyle may be the most important factor is relatively
>better health of members of a particular people.

And are you saying epidemiological studies can't address this?

QED

Sandy

[Yar]

"Sandy" <S@S.S> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 2 Feb 2003 17:47:40 -0600, "Roman"
> <r_rom@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >"doe" <ironjustice@aol.comdoe> wrote in message
> >news:20030119095311.04849.00000171@mb-cg.aol.com...
> >> >Subject: Re: White Rice
> >> >
> >> >Rice, I believe is the second most important grain and
> >> >eaten by a few billion people. Many nutrients are
> >> >(mechanically?) removed in the polishing process. It is
> >> >not possible to extract these nutrients from the dregs
> >> >and repackage them as nutritional supplements? Any
> >> >reason why no one thought of this before?
> >> >
> >>
> >> It is called rice bran and its derivatives and it is
> >> being used to
'treat'
> >many
> >> different diseases .. mainly DUE TO the lack OF the
> >> substance .. bran
..
> >taken
> >> out of the food ..
> >>
> >> Good idea for whoever thought of it ..
> >
> >NutraStar is a company that does that --
> >http://www.nutrastar.com/. It
makes
> >stabilized rice bran based products.
>
>
> Save your money and eat whole grain rice. (And other
> wholefoods)
>
>
>
> Sandy

Sandy is correct and if you analyze it, wholefoods are the
only way to go, your decision is, do you need to eat grain, a
small amount of millet was eaten by our ancestors, according
to research. This maybe of interest, what would you construe
that "bush tucker" means, quote, "no food, just the bush
tucker we had with us". http://www.abc.net.au/dimensions/dime-
nsions_in_time/Transcripts/s572433.htm

Yar

[Roman]

"Sandy" <S@S.S> wrote in message
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> >> It is called rice bran and its derivatives and it is
> >> being used to
'treat'
> >many
> >> different diseases .. mainly DUE TO the lack OF the
> >> substance .. bran
..
> >taken
> >> out of the food ..
> >>
> >> Good idea for whoever thought of it ..
> >
> >NutraStar is a company that does that --
> >http://www.nutrastar.com/. It
makes
> >stabilized rice bran based products.
>
>
> Save your money and eat whole grain rice. (And other
> wholefoods)

They have clinical studies demonstrating great therapeutic
values of their products, e.g. diabetic neuropathy reversed in
several week, blood sugar normalization, etc. I haven't seen
that done for whole grain rice. Prove your statement that
using their products would be a waste of money compared to
eating whole grain rice.

Roman

[Roman]

"Sandy" <S@S.S> wrote in message
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> You asked: "How can you prove that difference in diet is
> what makes Japanese healthier[?]"
>
> I responded: "Epidemiology."
>
> You responded:
>
> "That doesn't answer my question. Health is affected my
> multiple factors. If you just study one of them but think
> you've covered all, you might make a fool of yourself. Try
> studying logic."
>
> The conversation continued as above.
>
> What on Earth do you mean with "One way might be trying to
> prove your theory in practice."? What theory are you
> referring to?

If one takes one aspect of life of a people and makes a
hypothesis that, say consuming soy or relatively low
consumption of saturated fats or whatever, is responsible in
keeping members of the society relatively healthier, one must
be able to prove that by, for example, manipulating that
aspect only, while keeping all other constant, in a group of
test subjects, and comparing their health with that of a
control group.

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> >> >Health is affected my multiple factors.
> >>
> >> Yes. And epidemiology takes into account ALL factors
> >
> >Many epidemiological studies just study some nutrition
> >aspects and
correlate
> >them with some diseases. Hence, you see simple conclusions
> >like "Eat soy
as
> >Japanese and be healthy" or "Eat rice as Chinese" or "Eat
> >more olive oil"
or
> >"Eat less saturated fats", etc. Lifestyle is generally
> >ignored in nutritional epidemiological studies.
>
> The ones you quote, maybe.
>
> >And lifestyle may be the most important factor is
> >relatively better health of members of a particular people.
>
> And are you saying epidemiological studies can't
> address this?

Maybe they can, to some degree. But how do you accurately
compare importance of different factors? Cite studies
that do that.

Roman

[Sandy]

On Tue, 4 Feb 2003 10:43:10 -0600, "Roman"
<r_rom@yahoo.com> wrote:

>"Sandy" <S@S.S> wrote in message
>news:geor3vohv1bjjp4h1pcs9agob0m29am97b@4ax.com...
>> >> It is called rice bran and its derivatives and it is
>> >> being used to
>'treat'
>> >many
>> >> different diseases .. mainly DUE TO the lack OF the
>> >> substance .. bran
>..
>> >taken
>> >> out of the food ..
>> >>
>> >> Good idea for whoever thought of it ..
>> >
>> >NutraStar is a company that does that --
>> >http://www.nutrastar.com/. It
>makes
>> >stabilized rice bran based products.
>>
>>
>> Save your money and eat whole grain rice. (And other
>> wholefoods)
>
>They have clinical studies demonstrating great therapeutic
>values of their products,

I don't doubt they have. I'd be surprised if they didn't.

>e.g. diabetic neuropathy reversed in several week, blood
> sugar normalization, etc.

Yep, these effects are sometimes undoubtedly to be seen.

>I haven't seen that done for whole grain rice.

Well you would if this crowd were flogging it :)

>Prove your statement that using their products would be a
>waste of money compared to eating whole grain rice.

Do you believe ALL snake oil salesmen? Have I got a deal for
you, Sunshine :)

Can you not see the folly in getting sick eating refined foods
and then reversing it with the removed constituent?

Eat the wholegrain rice and you won't likely get sick in the
first place.

Sandy

[Sandy]

On Tue, 4 Feb 2003 10:39:39 -0600, "Roman"
<r_rom@yahoo.com> wrote:

>"Sandy" <S@S.S> wrote in message
>news:sntu3vgdl0sq7gocvpjk6mupr05eqq0ni2@4ax.com...
>> You asked: "How can you prove that difference in diet is
>> what makes Japanese healthier[?]"
>>
>> I responded: "Epidemiology."
>>
>> You responded:
>>
>> "That doesn't answer my question. Health is affected my
>> multiple factors. If you just study one of them but think
>> you've covered all, you might make a fool of yourself. Try
>> studying logic."
>>
>> The conversation continued as above.
>>
>> What on Earth do you mean with "One way might be trying to
>> prove your theory in practice."? What theory are you
>> referring to?
>
>If one takes one aspect of life of a people and makes a
>hypothesis that, say consuming soy or relatively low
>consumption of saturated fats or whatever, is responsible in
>keeping members of the society relatively healthier, one must
>be able to prove that by, for example, manipulating that
>aspect only, while keeping all other constant, in a group of
>test subjects, and comparing their health with that of a
>control group.

But you asked:

How can you prove that difference in diet is what makes
Japanese healthier[?]"

And I answered "Epidemiology"

You were not happy with this apparently coz you don't fully
understand it?

>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>> >> >Health is affected my multiple factors.
>> >>
>> >> Yes. And epidemiology takes into account ALL factors
>> >
>> >Many epidemiological studies just study some nutrition
>> >aspects and
>correlate
>> >them with some diseases. Hence, you see simple conclusions
>> >like "Eat soy
>as
>> >Japanese and be healthy" or "Eat rice as Chinese" or "Eat
>> >more olive oil"
>or
>> >"Eat less saturated fats", etc. Lifestyle is generally
>> >ignored in nutritional epidemiological studies.
>>
>> The ones you quote, maybe.
>>
>> >And lifestyle may be the most important factor is
>> >relatively better health of members of a particular
>> >people.
>>
>> And are you saying epidemiological studies can't
>> address this?
>
>Maybe they can, to some degree. But how do you accurately
>compare importance of different factors? Cite studies
>that do that.

By accurately collecting data on these different factors.

Sandy

[Roman]

"Sandy" <S@S.S> wrote in message
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> Do you believe ALL snake oil salesmen? Have I got a deal for
> you, Sunshine :)

Yes, I do. Snake oil is good for you, and that makes all men
selling it good people.

> Can you not see the folly in getting sick eating refined
> foods and then reversing it with the removed constituent?
>
> Eat the wholegrain rice and you won't likely get sick in the
> first place.

I agree, but there are many people that are sick that could
benefit from evidently therapeutic effects of stabilized
bran. I've heard stories about Indian (in India, that is)
mothers making tea extracts from fresh rice bran to quickly
heal their children. So, they might be some merit in using
bran by itself.

Roman

[Sandy]

On Wed, 5 Feb 2003 22:23:29 -0600, "Roman"
<r_rom@yahoo.com> wrote:

>"Sandy" <S@S.S> wrote in message
>news:6r814v4ts0r5jav7up79tgaib85koptqok@4ax.com...
>> Do you believe ALL snake oil salesmen? Have I got a deal
>> for you, Sunshine :)
>
>Yes, I do. Snake oil is good for you, and that makes all men
>selling it good people.

Yeah, I've got a shit load of it under my bridge, now if you
send your bank check for $10000 to my address below, I can get
you in on the ground floor. Trust me, I'm a nice guy, I sell
snake oil :)

>> Can you not see the folly in getting sick eating refined
>> foods and then reversing it with the removed constituent?
>>
>> Eat the wholegrain rice and you won't likely get sick in
>> the first place.
>
>I agree, but there are many people that are sick that could
>benefit from evidently therapeutic effects of stabilized
>bran. I've heard stories about Indian (in India, that is)
>mothers making tea extracts from fresh rice bran to quickly
>heal their children. So, they might be some merit in using
>bran by itself.

There might be for a deficiency, but I would want to find out
what the deficiency was, and what there was in the bran
extract. Why not eat the whole rice? It's cheaper and you
won't get the deficiency from eating the de-branned version.

Sandy

[Roman]

"Sandy" <S@S.S> wrote in message
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> But you asked:
>
> How can you prove that difference in diet is what makes
> Japanese healthier[?]"
>
> And I answered "Epidemiology"
>
> You were not happy with this apparently coz you don't fully
> understand it?

Yes, I do. Someone else also told you in another thread that
epidemiologic studies don't provide proof of individual
factors being causal.

> >> >And lifestyle may be the most important factor is
> >> >relatively better health of members of a particular
> >> >people.
> >>
> >> And are you saying epidemiological studies can't address
> >> this?
> >
> >Maybe they can, to some degree. But how do you accurately
> >compare
importance
> >of different factors? Cite studies that do that.
>
> By accurately collecting data on these different factors.

You implied that you know of epidemiological studies that
accurately pinpoint individual factors as causal. So, cite
some of them.

Roman

[Sandy]

On Wed, 5 Feb 2003 22:29:10 -0600, "Roman"
<r_rom@yahoo.com> wrote:

>"Sandy" <S@S.S> wrote in message
>news:vo814vctisc0jjqcoi6v8lsd1l5d615toc@4ax.com...
>> But you asked:
>>
>> How can you prove that difference in diet is what makes
>> Japanese healthier[?]"
>>
>> And I answered "Epidemiology"
>>
>> You were not happy with this apparently coz you don't fully
>> understand it?
>
>Yes, I do. Someone else also told you in another thread that
>epidemiologic studies don't provide proof of individual
>factors being causal.

Of course they do. As much as you can prove anything.

You examine all the factors and document them thoroughly, and
then test your hypotheses. Just like any scientific
investigation. Epidemiological studies can measure all the
factors about the Japanese situation , and then you formulate
hypotheses that seem to fit, and test these rigorously.

>> >> >And lifestyle may be the most important factor is
>> >> >relatively better health of members of a particular
>> >> >people.
>> >>
>> >> And are you saying epidemiological studies can't address
>> >> this?
>> >
>> >Maybe they can, to some degree. But how do you accurately
>> >compare
>importance
>> >of different factors? Cite studies that do that.
>>
>> By accurately collecting data on these different factors.
>
>You implied that you know of epidemiological studies that
>accurately pinpoint individual factors as causal. So, cite
>some of them.

Males are more represented in suicide statistics than females
not because of lack of attempt, but because of choice of more
irreversible methods. Geez, there are millions. It is a tool
and it is the best one to use to investigate what you first
queried, is diet the only factor that determines the health
of Japanese.

Sandy

[Roman]

"Sandy" <S@S.S> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 5 Feb 2003 22:23:29 -0600, "Roman"
> <r_rom@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Yeah, I've got a shit load of it under my bridge, now if you
> send your bank check for $10000 to my address below, I can
> get you in on the ground floor. Trust me, I'm a nice guy, I
> sell snake oil :)

No, you are not -- you are from Australia. You live among
crocodiles and probably acquired some of their nasty
qualities, e.g. sneak in and kill. No money for you!

> There might be for a deficiency, but I would want to find
> out what the deficiency was, and what there was in the bran
> extract. Why not eat the whole rice? It's cheaper and you
> won't get the deficiency from eating the de-branned version.

Bran is more nutrient dense. By eating the whole grain, you'd
get much more carbs and have to chew more.

Roman

[Roman]

"Sandy" <S@S.S> wrote in message
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> >Yes, I do. Someone else also told you in another
> >thread that
epidemiologic
> >studies don't provide proof of individual factors being
> >causal.
>
> Of course they do. As much as you can prove anything.
>
> You examine all the factors and document them thoroughly,
> and then test your hypotheses. Just like any scientific
> investigation. Epidemiological studies can measure all the
> factors about the Japanese situation , and then you
> formulate hypotheses that seem to fit, and test these
> rigorously.

You can only test them in controlled studies. You basically
confirmed that epidemiological studies only provide food for
thought or ideas that have to be proved in other ways.

> >You implied that you know of epidemiological studies that
> >accurately pinpoint individual factors as causal. So, cite
> >some of them.
>
> Males are more represented in suicide statistics than
> females not because of lack of attempt, but because of
> choice of more irreversible methods. Geez, there are
> millions. It is a tool and it is the best one to use to
> investigate what you first queried, is diet the only factor
> that determines the health of Japanese.

Sandy, just one concrete study, please!

Roman

[Arthur Bon]

> >From: artistic_annie@hotmail.com (Ann T. M.)

> >I read recently that white rice is not a good thing to
> >eat. Huh?

> >Does this mean Basmati rice, sticky rice, most of the rice
> >they eat in Japan and China is unhealthy?

I'll give reasons that brown rice is unhealthy:

1) The hulls (bran) contain protease inhibitors and other
anti-nutrients.

2) The hulls are moldy. Molds produce toxins, and
many folks have immune responses to mold.

3) The hulls probably soak up pesticide more than the inner
grain; there may be natural pesticides in them as well.

Removing the bran and extracting the nutrients and adding them
back sounds like a good idea, to me.

A.

1) Tashiro, M., Hasino, K., Shiozaki, M., Ibuki, F., and Maki,
Z. (1987) The complete amino acid sequence of rice bran
trypsin inhibitor. J. Biochem. 102, 297-306

[Alf Christ]

On 8 Feb 2003 01:28:25 -0800, adbon@ednixon.com (Arthur
Bonhomme) wrote:

>1) The hulls (bran) contain protease inhibitors and other
> anti-nutrients.

Could be dangerous, yes, if eaten unboiled. Like all other
proteins, boiling destroyes the folding of the protein, and
thus renders it more or less inusable as an inhibitor.

>
>2) The hulls are moldy. Molds produce toxins, and
> many folks have immune responses to mold.
If hulls are moldy, the rest of the grain is also. And the
whole party imported should be destroyed (and mostly is). An
exception of course if you yourself stores it in a hot and
very wet clima in your house so they get moldy. Very few
people are that stupid that they boil moldy rice.

>
>3) The hulls probably soak up pesticide more than the inner
> grain; there may be natural pesticides in them as well.

Most countries control all foods imported for toxins and ban
import if the levels get higher than a certain limit decided
by each government. Maybe not US, but that¨s the voters
problem. Perhaps vote for some politicians who care more about
people health and less about the fortunes of them who earned
billions of dollar on illegal import of booze etc. during the
time when booze for forbidden and has continued since then to
pay for the election of politicians who votes for them.

[Roman]

"Alf Christophersen" <alf.christophersen@basalmed.uio.no>
wrote in message
news:m35b4vkq31jmmlfr55iqjnspptfnsm0r1m@4ax.com...
> On 8 Feb 2003 01:28:25 -0800, adbon@ednixon.com (Arthur
> Bonhomme) wrote:
>
> >1) The hulls (bran) contain protease inhibitors and other
> > anti-nutrients.
>
> Could be dangerous, yes, if eaten unboiled. Like all other
> proteins, boiling destroyes the folding of the protein, and
> thus renders it more or less inusable as an inhibitor.

Soaking and also fermenting grains before cooking facilitates
neutralizing antinutrients.

Roman

[Sandy]

On Thu, 6 Feb 2003 21:55:31 -0600, "Roman"
<r_rom@yahoo.com> wrote:

>"Sandy" <S@S.S> wrote in message
>news:5up34vonjbcdpf7dr0d2fije2ki6l6n98e@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 5 Feb 2003 22:23:29 -0600, "Roman"
>> <r_rom@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, I've got a shit load of it under my bridge, now if
>> you send your bank check for $10000 to my address below, I
>> can get you in on the ground floor. Trust me, I'm a nice
>> guy, I sell snake oil :)
>
>No, you are not -- you are from Australia.

Oh, Shezaaam, and other point to Roman :)

>You live among crocodiles and probably acquired some of their
>nasty qualities, e.g. sneak in and kill. No money for you!

The only croc I've ever seen was a superannuated old bugger
at the zoo and they had to add hot water to his pond so he
would eat.

>> There might be for a deficiency, but I would want to find
>> out what the deficiency was, and what there was in the bran
>> extract. Why not eat the whole rice? It's cheaper and you
>> won't get the deficiency from eating the de-branned
>> version.
>
>Bran is more nutrient dense.

Yep, that's probably true. Good reason not to remove it from
the grain.

>By eating the whole grain, you'd get much more carbs and have
>to chew more.

Good for you. Help you with your hard day's work.

Sandy

[Sandy]

On Thu, 6 Feb 2003 21:59:34 -0600, "Roman"
<r_rom@yahoo.com> wrote:

>"Sandy" <S@S.S> wrote in message
>news:49q34vg7ej4h421pjdr9gl1n1un85ua116@4ax.com...
>> >Yes, I do. Someone else also told you in another
>> >thread that
>epidemiologic
>> >studies don't provide proof of individual factors being
>> >causal.
>>
>> Of course they do. As much as you can prove anything.
>>
>> You examine all the factors and document them thoroughly,
>> and then test your hypotheses. Just like any scientific
>> investigation. Epidemiological studies can measure all the
>> factors about the Japanese situation , and then you
>> formulate hypotheses that seem to fit, and test these
>> rigorously.
>
>You can only test them in controlled studies. You basically
>confirmed that epidemiological studies only provide food for
>thought or ideas that have to be proved in other ways.

By more epidemiological tests?

>> >You implied that you know of epidemiological studies that
>> >accurately pinpoint individual factors as causal. So, cite
>> >some of them.
>>
>> Males are more represented in suicide statistics than
>> females not because of lack of attempt, but because of
>> choice of more irreversible methods. Geez, there are
>> millions. It is a tool and it is the best one to use to
>> investigate what you first queried, is diet the only factor
>> that determines the health of Japanese.
>
>Sandy, just one concrete study, please!

Men who mix concrete get dry skin on their hands DAMHIKT :)

Sandy

[David]

Coming in a bit late here, but anything over processed is less
nutritious than something in its more natural condition. White
rice is high glycemic, which means it has a high propensity
for putting on fat on your body.

I read a study that showed that a simple apple produced higher
blood levels of vit C than a 1000mg tablet of vit C. The thing
was an apple with skin on was multiple times higher in vit C
than a peeled apple. Interesting.

regards

David

"Sandy" <S@S.S> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 6 Feb 2003 21:55:31 -0600, "Roman"
> <r_rom@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >"Sandy" <S@S.S> wrote in message
> >news:5up34vonjbcdpf7dr0d2fije2ki6l6n98e@4ax.com...
> >> On Wed, 5 Feb 2003 22:23:29 -0600, "Roman"
> >> <r_rom@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Yeah, I've got a shit load of it under my bridge, now if
> >> you send your bank check for $10000 to my address below,
> >> I can get you in on the ground floor. Trust me, I'm a
> >> nice guy, I sell snake oil :)
> >
> >No, you are not -- you are from Australia.
>
> Oh, Shezaaam, and other point to Roman :)
>
> >You live among crocodiles and probably acquired some of
> >their nasty qualities, e.g. sneak in and kill.
No
> >money for you!
>
> The only croc I've ever seen was a superannuated old bugger
> at the zoo and they had to add hot water to his pond so he
> would eat.
>
> >> There might be for a deficiency, but I would want to find
> >> out what the deficiency was, and what there was in the
> >> bran extract. Why not eat the whole rice? It's cheaper
> >> and you won't get the deficiency from eating the
> >> de-branned version.
> >
> >Bran is more nutrient dense.
>
> Yep, that's probably true. Good reason not to remove it from
> the grain.
>
> >By eating the whole grain, you'd get much more carbs and
> >have to chew more.
>
> Good for you. Help you with your hard day's work.
>
>
> Sandy

[Moosh:)]

On Wed, 12 Feb 2003 08:54:48 GMT, "David"
<celltalk@bigpond.com> wrote:

>Coming in a bit late here, but anything over processed is
>less nutritious than something in its more natural condition.

Yep, we so often remove the good bits for the more
satisfying bits.

>White rice is high glycemic,

Some varieties are some aren't. Also depends what you
eat it with.

>which means it has a high propensity for putting on fat on
>your body.

Nope

>I read a study that showed that a simple apple produced
>higher blood levels of vit C than a 1000mg tablet of vit C.

And I read that Elvis is alive and living in downtown
Hootersville.

>The thing was an apple with skin on was multiple times higher
>in vit C than a peeled apple. Interesting.

The skin has many more interesting molecules than the flesh.

Moosh:)

[Lolla2003]

"Alf Christophersen" <alf.christophersen@basalmed.uio.no>
wrote in message
news:m35b4vkq31jmmlfr55iqjnspptfnsm0r1m@4ax.com...
> On 8 Feb 2003 01:28:25 -0800, adbon@ednixon.com (Arthur
> Bonhomme) wrote:
>
> >1) The hulls (bran) contain protease inhibitors and other
> > anti-nutrients.
>
> Could be dangerous, yes, if eaten unboiled. Like all other
> proteins, boiling destroyes the folding of the protein, and
> thus renders it more or less inusable as an inhibitor.
>
> >
> >2) The hulls are moldy. Molds produce toxins, and
> > many folks have immune responses to mold.
> If hulls are moldy, the rest of the grain is also. And the
> whole party imported should be destroyed (and mostly is). An
> exception of course if you yourself stores it in a hot and
> very wet clima in your house so they get moldy. Very few
> people are that stupid that they boil moldy rice.
>
> >
> >3) The hulls probably soak up pesticide more than the inner
> > grain; there may be natural pesticides in them as well.
>
> Most countries control all foods imported for toxins and ban
> import if the levels get higher than a certain limit decided
> by each government. Maybe not US, but that¨s the voters
> problem. Perhaps vote for some politicians who care more
> about people health and less about the fortunes of them who
> earned billions of dollar on illegal import of booze etc.
> during the time when booze for forbidden and has continued
> since then to pay for the election of politicians who votes
> for them.
>
Moses here: Ted Kennedy (his old man was said to the booze
importer) has had a warm and fuzzy relationship with the AMA
but so have his opponents. Recall during the Reagan Admin
pesticide regs were loosen of foods not consider to be
staples:-) Anyway Norway has its failings also......have you
been able to purchase taurine yet?

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On Wed, 12 Feb 2003 14:25:51 -0800, "lolla2003"
<e2p71828@futurelnk.net> wrote:

>also......have you been able to purchase taurine yet?

No. No pharmaceutical providers has been interested to pay for
the billion dollar experiments that is needed to prove it is
not lethal
:-(