Fungused toenails

[Normc]

Time for a new thread. Wanted to see if anyone else was using
what my wife has used.

Having had badly fungused big toenails, I can say that my
wife's was much worse than mine. So bad that one of her
toenails fell off! She does not have diabetes.

A new podiatrist she started seeing has her using Restore AF
Antimicrobial Solution made by Laxim Labs. The general
indication is that is is only available from podiatrists. We
haven't tried to find it elsewhere. Anyone know?

One can no longer see any sign of toenail fungus, and of
course, her nail grew back.

HTH

--
Sleep well/eat well/be well Norm

To email replace nospam with rr

[Tiger Lily]

don't know about that med, Norm

but once the nail comes off, then you can use topical
treatments to treat the fungus

i am fighting an under the nail fungal infection right now

i'm taking the lamisil as that is one of the only 2 products
that work on under-the-nail fungal invasion

kate

"NormC" <normc@socal.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:3E139B1D.72D43511@socal.nospam.com...
> Time for a new thread. Wanted to see if anyone else was
> using what my
wife has used.
>
> Having had badly fungused big toenails, I can say that my
> wife's was much
worse than
> mine. So bad that one of her toenails fell off! She does
> not have
diabetes.
>
> A new podiatrist she started seeing has her using Restore AF
> Antimicrobial
Solution
> made by Laxim Labs. The general indication is that is is
> only available
from
> podiatrists. We haven't tried to find it elsewhere.
> Anyone know?
>
> One can no longer see any sign of toenail fungus, and of
> course, her nail
grew back.
>
> HTH
>
> --
> Sleep well/eat well/be well Norm
>
> To email replace nospam with rr

[Kimberly H]

This is just me speaking of myself, but I use a gel solution
for my situation, but the last time I mentioned it here, it
unfortunately had a similar name to a product that has been
spammed here in the group. It was only one letter off. If
anyone gets catalogs to order out of, it is in mostly all gift
catalogs, or health catalogs. I would be glad to e-mail you
the website, but I won't send it unless anyone would be
curious. I have ordered this product for my useage, and seen
results that pleased me, but I know everyone is different. I
just don't intend to post it here, and won't.

Kimberly Hedrick


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
type 1, since 1974, at age 3

[Julie Bove]

"Kimberly Hedrick" <Kimberly597@webtv.net> wrote in
message news:20191-3E14CEFF-21@storefull-2234.public.laws-
on.webtv.net...
> This is just me speaking of myself, but I use a gel solution
> for my situation, but the last time I mentioned it here, it
> unfortunately had a similar name to a product that has been
> spammed here in the group. It was only one letter off. If
> anyone gets catalogs to order out of, it is in mostly all
> gift catalogs, or health catalogs. I would be glad to e-mail
> you the website, but I won't send it unless anyone would be
> curious. I have ordered this product for my useage, and seen
> results that pleased me, but I know everyone is different. I
> just don't intend to post it here, and won't.

I think I used the same one and it seemed to help me. But I
didn't keep using it, and now have the problem again. I was
also doing vinegar soaks. Not sure if that helped or the gel.

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[Julie Bove]

"Kimberly Hedrick" <Kimberly597@webtv.net> wrote in
message news:29995-3E1611C0-350@storefull-2232.public.law-
son.webtv.net...
> Julie,
>
> If it starts with an "N" and ends in "X" then that is what I
> am using. If you still have it, do use it. I never gave up.
> Only it seems to take longer for the large toes for me. I
> have had my bottle for over 8-9 months now. Still have some
> in the bottom of the bottle left. I tried other topical
> products, and they irritated my skin. This "N***X" didn't.

That's the stuff! Worked really well. But I quit using it
because I wasn't having any problems, so I threw it out. Then
danged if I didn't start having problems shortly thereafter. I
could feel the stuff burning a little bit when I first put it
on, but it was only mild discomfort that lasted maybe for a
few seconds. But the results were amazing. Within a month my
nails looked great. Guess it's time to order some more!

--
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from new account

[Guy]

On Sat, 4 Jan 2003 01:39:51 -0500, "Julie Bove"
<jnospambove@bestweb.net> wrote:

>
>
>
>"Kimberly Hedrick" <Kimberly597@webtv.net> wrote in
>message news:29995-3E1611C0-350@storefull-2232.public.law-
>son.webtv.net...
>> Julie,
>>
>> If it starts with an "N" and ends in "X" then that is what
>> I am using. If you still have it, do use it. I never gave
>> up. Only it seems to take longer for the large toes for me.
>> I have had my bottle for over 8-9 months now. Still have
>> some in the bottom of the bottle left. I tried other
>> topical products, and they irritated my skin. This "N***X"
>> didn't.
>
>That's the stuff! Worked really well. But I quit using it
>because I wasn't having any problems, so I threw it out. Then
>danged if I didn't start having problems shortly thereafter.
>I could feel the stuff burning a little bit when I first put
>it on, but it was only mild discomfort that lasted maybe for
>a few seconds. But the results were amazing. Within a month
>my nails looked great. Guess it's time to order some more!

The basic problem with fungus is it produces spores and they
lay in the skin and regrow. The spores are very hard to kill.
That is why most topicals fail.

Some compounds used to use Salicylic Acid to remove the upper
level of skin to help.

The reason for long use of the new products is they inhibit
growth of the agent until you have a change of skin.

There was a product called Norwich NP27 which was very
effective. It was banned with the other mercury compounds In
fact a popular wound agent was used to replace Iodine was a
mercury compound. Long gone.

At one time Iodine was a NO NO for diabetics. The
tincture allegedly damaged tissue. Now we use organic
type iodine products.

Many antiseptic products do not kill gram negative bacteria.
So any stray gram negative item may produce mean skin problems
since it has no competition on the skin from the gram positive
population.]

Clean dry feet is a big plus.

Guy

[Loretta Ei]

Norm is that medication topical or internal, There is lamisil
taken in pill form which really works, My husband has been
putting a cream on for a while and I dont see much
improvement, He got a prescrition from the podiatrist He is
using Loprax and Carmol 40 creajm, Are these the name brands
of what your wife is using?

Loretta

In tribute to the United States of America and the State of
Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife
and terrorism.

[Kimberly H]

Group: alt.support.diabetes Date: Sat, Jan 4, 2003, 1:24am
(EST-1) From: gswil@intertex.net (Guy)

Guy wrote:

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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

It is, and of course, they recommend that diabetics wear shoes
and socks and not go bare foot on rock or ground. I always
wear shoes and socks, and haven't worn sandles for years. I
recall as a child, I had itchy feet all the time....more or
less "athletes foot" and the doctor had me to use a
purplish/red iodine type of treatment. It stained the bottom
of my feet, but tended to work. That's been a long time ago. I
believe ( as it is important to wear shoes and socks as a
diabetic ) that moisture can build up, especially in my case
as being on my feet all day on my job, and not being able to
give my feet air. It can cause a problem of having nail
fungus, and itchy dry feet. I use lotion morning and night. As
with the stuff I use to put on my nails. Most
importantly....take care of the feet you have, and that is
anyone with diabetes.

Kimberly Hedrick

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
type 1, since 1974, at age 3

[Kimberly H]

Julie,

You may of had a slight sensitivity to the acidity it had in
it. I didn't have a problem, exept it may turn the skin a bit
around the toenail, but nothing harmless. Especially when I
use it more on the large toes. Maybe you might want to apply
it with a nail polish brush or a small art paint brush or
cotton swab. But you may still have a sensitivity applying it
that way. It states that when your nails have cleared, that it
may be necessay to keep applying to keep any fungus from
forming again. Just routine application is all. I am glad it
worked for you, though. Takes a bit of time, but being patient
pays off, as toenails take longer to grow. Never once did I
take any harmful pills for this. Only Lamisil ointment/cream,
and other topical treatments....I never was satisfied, and as
I had said before, they even irritated the skin around my
nails, and I gave up....feeling hopeless about it all.

Kimberly Hedrick

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Type 1, since 1974, at age 3

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Group: alt.support.diabetes Date: Sat, Jan 4, 2003, 1:39am
From: jnospambove@bestweb.net

Julie=A0Bove wrote:

That's the stuff! Worked really well. But I quit using it
because I wasn't having any problems, so I threw it out. Then
danged if I didn't start having problems shortly thereafter. I
could feel the stuff burning a little bit when I first put it
on, but it was only mild discomfort that lasted maybe for a
few seconds. But the results were amazing. Within a month my
nails looked great. Guess it's time to order some more!
--

Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/ Julie Bove, posting
from new account

[Bj]

What I do is change my socks, if not my shoes as well, during
the day. Even a brief airing out makes my feet feel better! I
don't know if this is something that you could manage, but
it's worth thinking about. bj

"Kimberly Hedrick" <Kimberly597@webtv.net> wrote in
message news:19881-3E1728DA-369@storefull-2237.public.law-
son.webtv.net...

I believe ( as it is important to wear shoes and socks as a
diabetic ) that moisture can build up, especially in my case
as being on my feet all day on my job, and not being able to
give my feet air.

[Julie Bove]

"Kimberly Hedrick" <Kimberly597@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:19881-3E172E45-371@storefull-2237.public.lawson.webtv.ne-
t... Julie,

You may of had a slight sensitivity to the acidity it had in
it. I didn't have a problem, exept it may turn the skin a bit
around the toenail, but nothing harmless. Especially when I
use it more on the large toes. Maybe you might want to apply
it with a nail polish brush or a small art paint brush or
cotton swab. But you may still have a sensitivity applying it
that way. It states that when your nails have cleared, that it
may be necessay to keep applying to keep any fungus from
forming again. Just routine application is all. I am glad it
worked for you, though. Takes a bit of time, but being patient
pays off, as toenails take longer to grow. Never once did I
take any harmful pills for this. Only Lamisil ointment/cream,
and other topical treatments....I never was satisfied, and as
I had said before, they even irritated the skin around my
nails, and I gave up....feeling hopeless about it all.

The stinging I did get was really nothing that was bad enough
to make me want to stop using it, especially since I was
getting results. And it may have had to do with the vinegar
soak I was using prior to application.

I did keep up the daily applications for some time, but quit
using it when I moved cross country. I had so much other stuff
I had to lug with me that I streamlined what I took with me.
Then after the move, my nails were still looking good despite
not having applied the stuff. The bottle did make it cross
country, but I wasn't sure if the gel would still be good
since it appeared that my boxes had been exposed to high heat.
So I tossed it in the trash. Then wouldn't you know, the
fungus seemed to come back right after that.

I just got some Lamisil cream, but not for my nails. I have
what appears to be athlete's foot on the bottoms of my feet
and so far nothing I've tried has helped at all. I do see the
dermatologist soon, so I'll find out more than.

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from new account

[Julie Bove]

"Guy" <gswil@intertex.net> wrote in message
news:ho1d1vkk2vffo5bc293atc3ihn9k8uutd4@4ax.com...

>
> The basic problem with fungus is it produces spores and they
> lay in the skin and regrow. The spores are very hard to
> kill. That is why most topicals fail.

Yep. :(
>
> Some compounds used to use Salicylic Acid to remove the
> upper level of skin to help.
>
At the time, I was also using vinegar soaks. Don't know if it
was that or the gel, but something was causing some peeling
and that really seemed to help.

> The reason for long use of the new products is they inhibit
> growth of the agent until you have a change of skin.

Yes.
>
> There was a product called Norwich NP27 which was very
> effective. It was banned with the other mercury compounds In
> fact a popular wound agent was used to replace Iodine was a
> mercury compound. Long gone.

That name sounds familiar. Perhaps it was something my Dad
used.
>
> At one time Iodine was a NO NO for diabetics. The tincture
> allegedly damaged tissue. Now we use organic type iodine
> products.

I didn't know that! My podiatrist has me using Betadine, but
no more than once a week.
>
> Many antiseptic products do not kill gram negative bacteria.
> So any stray gram negative item may produce mean skin
> problems since it has no competition on the skin from the
> gram positive population.]
>
Hmmm...

> Clean dry feet is a big plus.

Unfortunately, due to the vein problem, I must wear nylon
hosiery for all but 8 hours out of the day. This does not make
for dry feet! I think I will have to start changing my socks
and shoes in the middle of the day unless I can come up with
some other solution. They make compression hose for diabetics
that are made of natural fibers, but they are not a strong
enough compression for me.

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from new account

[Wendy Bake]

Julie Bove <jnospambove@bestweb.net> wrote:

: "Guy" <gswil@intertex.net> wrote in message
: news:ho1d1vkk2vffo5bc293atc3ihn9k8uutd4@4ax.com...

:>
:> The basic problem with fungus is it produces spores and
:> they lay in the skin and regrow. The spores are very hard
:> to kill. That is why most topicals fail.

: Yep. :(
:>
:> Some compounds used to use Salicylic Acid to remove the
:> upper level of skin to help.
:>
: At the time, I was also using vinegar soaks. Don't know if
: it was that or the gel, but something was causing some
: peeling and that really seemed to help.

:> The reason for long use of the new products is they inhibit
:> growth of the agent until you have a change of skin.

: Yes.
:>
:> There was a product called Norwich NP27 which was very
:> effective. It was banned with the other mercury compounds
:> In fact a popular wound agent was used to replace Iodine
:> was a mercury compound. Long gone.

: That name sounds familiar. Perhaps it was something my
: Dad used.
:>
:> At one time Iodine was a NO NO for diabetics. The tincture
:> allegedly damaged tissue. Now we use organic type iodine
:> products.

: I didn't know that! My podiatrist has me using Betadine, but
: no more than once a week.
:>
:> Many antiseptic products do not kill gram negative
:> bacteria. So any stray gram negative item may produce mean
:> skin problems since it has no competition on the skin from
:> the gram positive population.]
:>
: Hmmm...

:> Clean dry feet is a big plus.

: Unfortunately, due to the vein problem, I must wear nylon
: hosiery for all but 8 hours out of the day. This does not
: make for dry feet! I think I will have to start changing my
: socks and shoes in the middle of the day unless I can come
: up with some other solution. They make compression hose for
: diabetics that are made of natural fibers, but they are not
: a strong enough compression for me.

: --
: Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/ Julie Bove, posting
: from new account

Have you tried the kind without toes? It keeps my feet drier
and I alternate them with the kind with the toes that hold
themselves up.

Wendy Baker

[Julie Bove]

"Wendy Baker" <wbaker@panix.com> wrote in message
news:av9p2n$m7j$1@reader1.panix.com...

> Have you tried the kind without toes? It keeps my feet drier
> and I alternate them with the kind with the toes that hold
> themselves up.

No. I have seen those, but I don't think they come in the
compression (15-20) that I need. And they looked uncomfortable
to me. I have enough trouble with the tops of them rolling
down. Can't imagine having the toes rolling around too.

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from new account

[Bubba]

In article <v1fk02ac1h2m30@corp.supernews.com> "Julie Bove"
<jnospambove@bestweb.net> writes:

[snip]

>At the time, I was also using vinegar soaks. Don't know if it
>was that or the gel, but something was causing some peeling
>and that really seemed to help.

The gel contains ethanoic acid as the "active" ingredient

Look it up. Ethanoic acid is a synonyn for Acetic acid

Acetic acid is in vinegar (approx 6% by volume)

Acetic acid (ethanoic acid) is caustic and will therefore
cause the peeling. By using the gel in combination with
vinegar soaks it is no wonder you were experiencing peeling.

[Julie Bove]

"Bubba" <wdg@NoSpam.hal-pc.org> wrote in message
news:qp4h1v0vttfufsacglpuud3qqjn6m0scsl@4ax.com...
> In article <v1fk02ac1h2m30@corp.supernews.com> "Julie Bove"
> <jnospambove@bestweb.net> writes:
>
> [snip]
>
> >At the time, I was also using vinegar soaks. Don't know if
> >it was that
or
> >the gel, but something was causing some peeling and that
> >really seemed to help.
>
> The gel contains ethanoic acid as the "active" ingredient
>
> Look it up. Ethanoic acid is a synonyn for Acetic acid
>
> Acetic acid is in vinegar (approx 6% by volume)
>
> Acetic acid (ethanoic acid) is caustic and will therefore
> cause the peeling. By using the gel in combination with
> vinegar soaks it is no wonder you were experiencing peeling.

Ah, okay! Well, it worked! So I'm not going to complain. I
really think the peeling helped to speed the process of
getting rid of the fungus though.

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from new account

[Blkbear]

>"Wendy Baker" <wbaker@panix.com> wrote in message
>news:av9p2n$m7j$1@reader1.panix.com... Have you tried the
>kind without toes? It keeps my feet drier and I alternate
>them with the kind with the toes that hold themselves up.

On Sun, 5 Jan 2003 13:51:15 -0500, "Julie Bove"
<jnospambove@bestweb.net> wrote:
>No. I have seen those, but I don't think they come in the
>compression (15-20) that I need. And they looked
>uncomfortable to me. I have enough trouble with the tops of
>them rolling down. Can't imagine having the toes rolling
>around too.

Hey Julie,

Unless you are pulling your shoes on and off all day, or have
ill fitting shoes, the open toed compression hose, won't move
aound on the toes. Now if you wear high heels and your foot
slides backwards and forwards with each step you take... ILL
fitting shoes, all bets are off!

They also have compression hose that have cotton feet attached
to the nylon leg support. As you mau guess, they don't hold up
as well over time, but give you an option to alternate between
hose types.
--
Terrell T2 DX'd 11/01
11/02 1 yr later, doing great!

[Bubba]

In article <kjdj1v8bn9goi7ckksvus3est48lebumla@4ax.com>
BlkBear <blkbear1@hotmail.com> writes:

[snip]

>Unless you are pulling your shoes on and off all day, or have
>ill fitting shoes, the open toed compression hose, won't move
>aound on the toes. Now if you wear high heels ....

Only my theory here.... but I think if we were to take a poll
that we probably wouldn't find a lot of female diabetics
wearing high heels, especially the newest crop of pointy-toed
stilettos finding their way back into fashion.

I'm probably dead wrong and will no doubt get beaten down for
this remark, but my own observation is that of the female
diabetics I know, their diabetes seems to run hand in hand
with a certain degree of obesity... and I've never yet seen
what I'd call a "heavy" woman (i.e., someone 60 or 70+ lbs
overweight) walking around in spike heels.

[Tiger Lily]

"Bubba" wrote in message com...
> Only my theory here.... but I think if we were to take a
> poll that we probably wouldn't find a lot of female
> diabetics wearing high heels, especially the newest crop of
> pointy-toed stilettos finding their way back into fashion.
>
> I'm probably dead wrong and will no doubt get beaten down
> for this remark, but my own observation is that of the
> female diabetics I know, their diabetes seems to run hand in
> hand with a certain degree of obesity... and I've never yet
> seen what I'd call a "heavy" woman (i.e., someone 60 or 70+
> lbs overweight) walking around in spike heels.

lol, Bubba........ well, i'm not a fat diabetic and NO i do
NOT wear those high heeled narrow toed shoes

why?..... they are NOT comfortable

i have chosen a slight pump for a dress shoe for over 15 yrs
ago, so i can't blame it on being older either....... just
plain sensible and practical is the reason

ps..... have you EVER tried to walk in those shoes that some
women wear??? the spiked high heels???....... VERY painful
(i learned that lesson at the ripe old age of 19......
never again)

kate

[Bubba]

In article <a6YT9.135198$k13.6323648@news0.telusplanet.net>
"Tiger Lily" <nobody@nowherereal.com> writes:

>lol, Bubba........ well, i'm not a fat diabetic and NO i do
>NOT wear those high heeled narrow toed shoes

>why?..... they are NOT comfortable

Well, I think I can understand why they wouldn't be very
comfortable, but they certainly are sexy-looking (my opinion)
- perhaps one of the greatest aphrodisiacs ever contrived by
the genius of mankind :) I read once in Esquire magazine
something to the effect "women who travel in sensible heels
will usually buy their own bed and meals"

>i have chosen a slight pump for a dress shoe for over 15 yrs
>ago, so i can't blame it on being older either....... just
>plain sensible and practical is the reason

>ps..... have you EVER tried to walk in those shoes that some
> women wear??? the spiked high heels???....... VERY painful
> (i learned that lesson at the ripe old age of 19......
> never again)

Uhhh.. no, thankfully they don't make them in a size 13. Some
years ago my wife threatened to find a pair for me and make me
wear them for a few hours so I could better "appreciate" the
pain she endured for me.

[Polly Lope]

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Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit

Hi, My podiatrist had me use Tea Trea Oil twice a day. Just a
drop on the nail am and pm. It took a long time to clear up,
but it did. It cost me about $5 at the nat food store.

Polly

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[Louise]

"Tiger Lily" <nobody@nowherereal.com> wrote in message
news:a6YT9.135198$k13.6323648@news0.telusplanet.net...
> lol, Bubba........ well, i'm not a fat diabetic and NO i do
> NOT wear those high heeled narrow toed shoes
>
> why?..... they are NOT comfortable
>
> i have chosen a slight pump for a dress shoe for over 15 yrs
> ago, so i
can't
> blame it on being older either....... just plain sensible
> and practical is the reason
>
> ps..... have you EVER tried to walk in those shoes that some
> women wear??? the spiked high heels???....... VERY
> painful (i learned that lesson at the ripe old age of
> 19...... never again)

And remember those platform shoes of the 70's? They're back!
That's one good thing about being older...you've already done
all those stupid things.
<G>

--
Best wishes Louise

Type 2, controlling by diet and exercise

[Tiger Lily]

"Bubba" > wrote in message .com...
> >ps..... have you EVER tried to walk in those shoes that
> > some women
wear???
> >the spiked high heels???....... VERY painful (i learned
> >that lesson at
the
> >ripe old age of 19...... never again)
>
> Uhhh.. no, thankfully they don't make them in a size 13.
> Some years ago my wife threatened to find a pair for me and
> make me wear them for a few hours so I could better
> "appreciate" the pain she endured for me.

lol...... we are going to have to find you a pair.... and YES
they make them in a women's 13, but not a men's 13...........
perhaps custom made??

lol

[Tiger Lily]

"Louise" <> wrote in message .net...
> And remember those platform shoes of the 70's? They're back!
> That's one good thing about being older...you've already
> done all those stupid
things.

my ankles STILL remember those platform shoes...... that's how
i discovered that i turn my foot inside (hmmm... hard to
explain....i points forward but i bend like on ice skates)
when walking, and the major reason for a wide base support
running shoe till this day......... sigh

[Alice Fabe]

In article <Dh%T9.135465$k13.6431983@news0.telusplanet.net>,
"Tiger Lily" <nobody@nowherereal.com> wrote:

> "Bubba" > wrote in message .com...
> > >ps..... have you EVER tried to walk in those shoes that
> > > some women
> wear???
> > >the spiked high heels???....... VERY painful (i learned
> > >that lesson at
> the
> > >ripe old age of 19...... never again)
> >
> > Uhhh.. no, thankfully they don't make them in a size 13.
> > Some years ago my wife threatened to find a pair for me
> > and make me wear them for a few hours so I could better
> > "appreciate" the pain she endured for me.
>
> lol...... we are going to have to find you a pair.... and
> YES they make them in a women's 13, but not a men's
> 13........... perhaps custom made??
>
> lol
>
>

I read an article a number of years ago (in the New Yorker?)
about cross-dressing men. One tidbit was about the difficulty
of finding such things as fishnet stockings and stiletto heels
in such large sizes.

--
AF

[Colleen]

I fell off my platforms when I was twenty. Embarssing.

c

"Tiger Lily" <nobody@nowherereal.com> wrote in message
news:v71U9.136165$k13.6482436@news0.telusplanet.net...
>
> "Louise" <> wrote in message .net...
> > And remember those platform shoes of the 70's? They're
> > back! That's
one
> > good thing about being older...you've already done all
> > those stupid
> things.
>
>
> my ankles STILL remember those platform shoes......
> that's how i
discovered
> that i turn my foot inside (hmmm... hard to explain....i
> points forward
but
> i bend like on ice skates) when walking, and the major
> reason for a wide base support running shoe till this
> day......... sigh

[Julie Bove]

"BlkBear" <blkbear1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:kjdj1v8bn9goi7ckksvus3est48lebumla@4ax.com...

> Hey Julie,
>
> Unless you are pulling your shoes on and off all day, or
> have ill fitting shoes, the open toed compression hose,
> won't move aound on the toes. Now if you wear high heels and
> your foot slides backwards and forwards with each step you
> take... ILL fitting shoes, all bets are off!

The shoes fit well and I don't wear high heels, but I do take
my shoes off frequently and also must take the hose off at
least once a day. I am supposed to elevate my feet above my
heart for at least 2-3 hours a day and if I do this for more
than an hour at a stretch, I am not to wear the hose.
>
> They also have compression hose that have cotton feet
> attached to the nylon leg support. As you mau guess, they
> don't hold up as well over time, but give you an option to
> alternate between hose types.

I haven't seen those. But I will keep looking.

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[Julie Bove]

"Bubba" <wdg@NoSpam.hal-pc.org> wrote in message
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> In article <kjdj1v8bn9goi7ckksvus3est48lebumla@4ax.com>
> BlkBear <blkbear1@hotmail.com> writes:
>
>
> [snip]
>
> >Unless you are pulling your shoes on and off all day,
> >or have ill fitting shoes, the open toed compression
> >hose, won't move aound on the toes. Now if you wear
> >high heels ....
>
> Only my theory here.... but I think if we were to take a
> poll that we probably wouldn't find a lot of female
> diabetics wearing high heels, especially the newest crop of
> pointy-toed stilettos finding their way back into fashion.

I agree with you, but not your reasoning.
>
> I'm probably dead wrong and will no doubt get beaten down
> for this remark, but my own observation is that of the
> female diabetics I know, their diabetes seems to run hand in
> hand with a certain degree of obesity... and I've never yet
> seen what I'd call a "heavy" woman (i.e., someone 60 or 70+
> lbs overweight) walking around in spike heels.

The obesity thing is not necessarily true. But obese women DO
wear high heels. Or haven't you noticed? I don't wear them
because I have Neuropathy and also some other problems that
give me trouble walking. I was shown a foot video by my former
Endo. and it advised wearing nothing but athletic type shoes
or similar sturdy shoes.

I've never been one to wear high heels on a regular basis,
even when I was quite underweight. I also spent a good portion
of my life in jobs that had me on my feet all day. So for that
reason, I needed comfortable shoes. I have yet to find a pair
of high heels that was comfortable.

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from new account

[Julie Bove]

"Louise" <louise@oldglory.com> wrote in message
news:avpv7r$ej5$1@autumn.news.rcn.net...

> And remember those platform shoes of the 70's? They're back!
> That's one good thing about being older...you've already
> done all those stupid
things.
> <G>

I sprained my ankle countless times in a pair of navy blue
clogs with cork bottom platforms. Was at a friend's house once
when it happened. I just stepped down wrong and instead of
actually falling, I sort of pitched forward, zooming through
the air and landing on him. He had his back turned so he
didn't see what was happening, and I was shouting in pain as I
collided with him. After that, he was wary of those shoes and
always begged me not to wear them if we went out together.

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from new account

[Annette]

"Bubba" <wdg@NoSpam.hal-pc.org> wrote in message
news:fsl02v83nnjb9qqjk8kvdp17q3bnc79d6a@4ax.com...
> In article
> <a6YT9.135198$k13.6323648@news0.telusplanet.net> "Tiger
Lily"
> <nobody@nowherereal.com> writes:
>
>
> >lol, Bubba........ well, i'm not a fat diabetic and NO
> >i do NOT
wear those
> >high heeled narrow toed shoes
>
> >why?..... they are NOT comfortable
>
> Well, I think I can understand why they wouldn't be very
comfortable, but
> they certainly are sexy-looking (my opinion) - perhaps
> one of the
greatest
> aphrodisiacs ever contrived by the genius of mankind
> :) I read
once in
> Esquire magazine something to the effect "women who
> travel in
sensible
> heels will usually buy their own bed and meals"
>

I suspect it's all in the conditioning that goes on in western
society. Not so long ago, chinese women used to bind the feet
of little girls, in order to attain those tiny feet that the
men found "aphrodisiac".

The majority of heterosexual men find "women" aphrodisiac
enough without any extra help. Women have been torturing and
distorting their bodies for ever, it seems, just to attract a
man. I have never understood this, and did my best not to
participate. It never seemed to make any difference in the
number of attractive males who sought my company.

In short, just a fashion.

Annette Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[Julie Bove]

"Tiger Lily" <nobody@nowherereal.com> wrote in message
news:Dh%T9.135465$k13.6431983@news0.telusplanet.net...

>
> lol...... we are going to have to find you a pair.... and
> YES they make
them
> in a women's 13, but not a men's 13........... perhaps
> custom made??

Actually they do! There are websites for crossdressers that
sell such shoes, and some in sizes up to 15. Can't remember
how I know this. I stumbled onto some website in looking for
something else and found out a lot of stuff I didn't know! And
perhaps didn't want to know. *L*

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[Louise]

"Julie Bove" <jnospambove@bestweb.net> wrote in message
news:v21naitj1jrdd8@corp.supernews.com...

> The obesity thing is not necessarily true. But obese women
> DO wear high heels. Or haven't you noticed? I don't wear
> them because I have
Neuropathy
> and also some other problems that give me trouble
> walking. I was shown a foot video by my former Endo. and
> it advised wearing nothing but athletic type shoes or
> similar sturdy shoes.
>
> I've never been one to wear high heels on a regular basis,
> even when I was quite underweight. I also spent a good
> portion of my life in jobs that
had
> me on my feet all day. So for that reason, I needed
> comfortable shoes. I have yet to find a pair of high heels
> that was comfortable.

I own one pair of high heels that I always thought were
comfortable, but I had probably worn them for only a few hours
at a time, for example church, parties, fancy dinners. Then a
few months ago I wore them to a wedding and had them on my
feet for almost 12 hours...boy did my feet ache the next day!

Soon after, I was outlet shopping and I found some high
quality flats in a classic style that almost looked like
pumps, except they had very low heels. They felt like
slippers. And best of all, my orthodics fit into them. They
were priced well so I bought 2 pairs. About a month ago I was
Christmas shopping and I found the same shoes in a department
store. They had been marked down twice already and then there
was 50% off. They were half what I paid in the outlet store,
so I bought 2 more pairs.

The high heels are in the bag for the next trip to Goodwill!

I think I'm set for about 10 years with these new shoes, since
90% of the time I wear sneakers. If your feet ache nothing
else feels good.

--
Best wishes Louise

Type 2, controlling by diet and exercise

[Louise]

"Julie Bove" <jnospambove@bestweb.net> wrote in message
news:v21np1jrta6fbc@corp.supernews.com...

> I sprained my ankle countless times in a pair of navy blue
> clogs with cork bottom platforms. Was at a friend's house
> once when it happened. I just stepped down wrong and instead
> of actually falling, I sort of pitched forward, zooming
> through the air and landing on him. He had his back
turned
> so he didn't see what was happening, and I was shouting in
> pain as I collided with him. After that, he was wary of
> those shoes and always
begged
> me not to wear them if we went out together.

Whoa, what a trip! (Sorry, couldn't resist <G>) And what is it
with these opened backed shoes, I think they call them mules?
They sort of look like clogs, but not as clunky. I can see
wearing them in the summer, but people wear them in the dead
of winter. I don't know about you, but when it's 20 degrees
out there, I want shoes that cover my whole foot! Brrrr!

--
Best wishes Louise

Type 2, controlling by diet and exercise

[Wendy Bake]

Julie Bove <jnospambove@bestweb.net> wrote:

: "Bubba" <wdg@NoSpam.hal-pc.org> wrote in message
: news:sp902v4oag5vffbg0ge56dipr68urbvep3@4ax.com...
:> In article <kjdj1v8bn9goi7ckksvus3est48lebumla@4ax.com>
:> BlkBear <blkbear1@hotmail.com> writes:
:>
:>
:> [snip]
:>
:> >Unless you are pulling your shoes on and off all day,
:> >or have ill fitting shoes, the open toed compression
:> >hose, won't move aound on the toes. Now if you wear
:> >high heels ....
:>
:> Only my theory here.... but I think if we were to take a
:> poll that we probably wouldn't find a lot of female
:> diabetics wearing high heels, especially the newest crop of
:> pointy-toed stilettos finding their way back into fashion.

: I agree with you, but not your reasoning.
:>
:> I'm probably dead wrong and will no doubt get beaten down
:> for this remark, but my own observation is that of the
:> female diabetics I know, their diabetes seems to run hand
:> in hand with a certain degree of obesity... and I've never
:> yet seen what I'd call a "heavy" woman (i.e., someone 60 or
:> 70+ lbs overweight) walking around in spike heels.

: The obesity thing is not necessarily true. But obese women
: DO wear high heels. Or haven't you noticed? I don't wear
: them because I have Neuropathy and also some other problems
: that give me trouble walking. I was shown a foot video by my
: former Endo. and it advised wearing nothing but athletic
: type shoes or similar sturdy shoes.

: I've never been one to wear high heels on a regular basis,
: even when I was quite underweight. I also spent a good
: portion of my life in jobs that had me on my feet all day.
: So for that reason, I needed comfortable shoes. I have yet
: to find a pair of high heels that was comfortable.

: --
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: from new account

I have heard (or read somewhere) that shoes with a firmer
bottom than most athletic shoes are the best for balance as
people get older. I think the best test for blance in the shoe
store would be to try to balance (without holding on) on one
foot. The shoe that lets you stand longer would be the better
one for balance.

I must say that the current crop of shoes available for
"older women" certainly beat those Cuban heel, lace up
oxfords (remember "old lady shoes") that our mothers and
grandmothers wore.

Wendy Baker

[Wendy Bake]

Annette <acianthus@bigpond.com> wrote:

: "Bubba" <wdg@NoSpam.hal-pc.org> wrote in message
: news:fsl02v83nnjb9qqjk8kvdp17q3bnc79d6a@4ax.com...
:> In article
:> <a6YT9.135198$k13.6323648@news0.telusplanet.net> "Tiger
: Lily"
:> <nobody@nowherereal.com> writes:
:>
:>
:> >lol, Bubba........ well, i'm not a fat diabetic and NO i
:> >do NOT
: wear those
:> >high heeled narrow toed shoes
:>
:> >why?..... they are NOT comfortable
:>
:> Well, I think I can understand why they wouldn't be very
: comfortable, but
:> they certainly are sexy-looking (my opinion) - perhaps
:> one of the
: greatest
:> aphrodisiacs ever contrived by the genius of mankind
:> :) I read
: once in
:> Esquire magazine something to the effect "women who
:> travel in
: sensible
:> heels will usually buy their own bed and meals"
:>

: I suspect it's all in the conditioning that goes on in
: western society. Not so long ago, chinese women used to bind
: the feet of little girls, in order to attain those tiny feet
: that the men found "aphrodisiac".

: The majority of heterosexual men find "women" aphrodisiac
: enough without any extra help. Women have been torturing and
: distorting their bodies for ever, it seems, just to attract
: a man. I have never understood this, and did my best not to
: participate. It never seemed to make any difference in the
: number of attractive males who sought my company.

: In short, just a fashion.

: Annette Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Remember the corsets and girdles women used to wear? And, at
least for the girdles, not that long ago.

Wendy Baker

[Guy]

With all of the discussion of feet I have one comment.

It would be nice to have two feet and if I could do it over I
would go to a lot more trouble to have it that way.

Guy

[Alice Fabe]

In article <avrsa5$d5l$1@autumn.news.rcn.net>, "Louise"
<louise@oldglory.com> wrote:

>
> Whoa, what a trip! (Sorry, couldn't resist <G>) And what is
> it with these opened backed shoes, I think they call them
> mules? They sort of look like clogs, but not as clunky. I
> can see wearing them in the summer, but people wear them in
> the dead of winter. I don't know about you, but when it's
> 20 degrees out there, I want shoes that cover my whole
> foot! Brrrr!

Especially in winter, I try not to wear my outside shoes in
the house (I keep slippers or "indoor" sandals by the door).
The backless shoes that I got from LL Bean last winter, aside
from being the most comfortable shoes I've ever owned, are
really easy to slip off as I come in, even when I still have
my coat on and still have my arms full of things.

--
AF

[Julie Bove]

"Louise" <louise@oldglory.com> wrote in message
news:avrsa5$d5l$1@autumn.news.rcn.net...

> Whoa, what a trip! (Sorry, couldn't resist <G>) And what is
> it with these opened backed shoes, I think they call them
> mules? They sort of look like clogs, but not as clunky. I
> can see wearing them in the summer, but
people
> wear them in the dead of winter. I don't know about you, but
> when it's 20 degrees out there, I want shoes that cover my
> whole foot! Brrrr!

Yeah, they wear them here too! I saw one lady who paired her
mules with striped knee socks for warmth. And it was snowing
that day too! The only thing I can think of is that perhaps at
the time she had no other shoes. I have noticed than since
Christmas, she has better shoes.

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[Blkbear]

>In article <kjdj1v8bn9goi7ckksvus3est48lebumla@4ax.com>
>BlkBear <blkbear1@hotmail.com> writes: [snip] Unless you are
>pulling your shoes on and off all day, or have ill fitting
>shoes, the open toed compression hose, won't move aound on
>the toes. Now if you wear high heels ....

On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 08:35:13 -0600, wdg@NoSpam.hal-pc.org
(Bubba) wrote:
>Only my theory here.... but I think if we were to take a poll
>that we probably wouldn't find a lot of female diabetics
>wearing high heels, especially the newest crop of pointy-toed
>stilettos finding their way back into fashion.

Well maybe none in the ng, but many are still wearing them in
the Seattle area, judging from a few of the local support
groups I have been to, as well as a couple of Diabetes type
"Fairs", I have gone to in the last 12 months. It was really
telling when some of these women were having their feet
checked at the (foot check station), only to be told that they
should wear more sensible shoes with a modest heel or flats.

[Bj]

"Wendy Baker" <wbaker@panix.com> wrote in message
news:avs83u$8o5$2@reader1.panix.com...
>
> I have heard (or read somewhere) that shoes with a firmer
> bottom than most athletic shoes are the best for balance as
> people get older. I think the best test for blance in the
> shoe store would be to try to balance (without holding on)
> on one foot. The shoe that lets you stand longer would be
> the better one for balance.
>

One of my stability exercises (I'm working on a wonky knee)
involves standing on one foot on a cushion (I got a therapy
pad made for the purpose) and SHUTTING MY EYES to balance for
30 seconds or so. I'm making progress on it, and hope to get
to the softer pad in "a while".

> I must say that the current crop of shoes available for
> "older women" certainly beat those Cuban heel, lace up
> oxfords (remember "old lady shoes") that our mothers and
> grandmothers wore.
>
> Wendy Baker

Now everybody wears trainers. You can even get "walking shoes"
in assorted colors, which is nice. bj