Paleo book vs Neanderthin!

[Chapinho]

I have both and I would say that the smaller Neanderthin book seemed on the money. I got Paleo Diet first and thought, man this is a great book, and it is, but there is some stuff in there that I don't agree on. For instance, the author states Canola Oil is like the second or third best oil to use. I read a study on Canola Oil and that stuff is dangerous. Not intended to be injested by the human body. I'll try and post the link.

Seems like everyone so far agrees that the Neanderthin book is by far the better of the two. Even though Cordain does go into some good detail about how grains and stuff cause all these diseases. I would defenitely read both but follow Neanderthin. Stick to Flaxseed and Olive oil and keep carbs to a minimum.

any one else have a comment on the two books. Just so the new guys that don't have a clue can get some insight. Thanks

[captxray]

I thought the same thing from all of the hype I had read on the Internet, some time ago. It isn't true what they are saying. Canola IS good for you...one of the best. Whoever started that awful rumor about Rape Seed and Castor Beans, etc., must have an ax to grind with the Conola people. It's patently false and wrong. I don't eat Canola because I happen to think that Extra Virgin Olive oil is better for me, but you shouldn't cook with it! It breaks down into dangerous free radicals very fast with cooking, as do many of the other oils...except...you got it!...PALM OIL!!! Palm Oil, the one we've heard all of the bad press on in the movie theaters, is the best oil to cook with because it is the most stable oil out there with cooking. It doesn't put nearly as many of those dangerous cancer-causing free radicals in the air for us to breath. Go figure.

[Chapinho]

really? Man, now I don't know what to think!!!! I think I'll have to put up a Canola thread! Thanks for your input.

[Sheldon]

I've read that men should avoid flax seeds in all forms because they can promote prostate cancer. I think the Eadeses write this in PPLP.

Sheldon

[captxray]

Well, I'm bummed about the flax seeds. I have been eating them thinking I was being a healthy-kind-a-guy! I don't emember reading that in the Eades's book (?)...but, then I'm old and losing my memory faster each day...

[Sheldon]

So eat sardines! :)

Sheldon

[captxray]

I eat so many kippered snacks and sardines, I think I might swim on outta here, tonight, so I guess I don't have to have Flax...I just like it, that's all. But, what price is too high for my good health and living longer and hiking in the mountains, and seeing my grandchildren grow up, and...and...???

[Jezebel]

Looking on the protein power website recently I recalled reading that the Eades have rebuked their own comments on flax and now consider it a healthy, beneficial source of fats.

[kypraia]

Hi all,

The comment that olive oil breaks down into dangerous free radicals when cooked really troubled me. I hadn't heard that before and I cook EVERYTHING in olive oil. Where can I get more information about this? Now I'm worried.

Thanks,
Kypraia

[captxray]

I think you might find it in a number of books but I read it most recently in Ray Audette's book, Neanderthin. I'm sure I read all about it a number of years ago in Durk Pearson's and Sandy Shaw's book on Life Extension , also. Now, there is a book that will open your eyes!

There are a number of oil sites available on the internet, also. That is where I found that Canola Oil is still good for you...and good to cook with...after I had read the old internet saw about it being made from rape seed and the relatives of Castor Beans, etc. and how the Canadians were trying to sell us a bill of goods...all baloney, as it turns out. Still the best, though, is good old palm oil...one of the most stable of all the organic oils. Eat salad dressing made from extra virgin olive oil and cook with palm oil...that's what I've heard most-recently.

[kjturner]

cold pressed grapeseed oil also takes the heat pretty well. Not as well as palm oil or lard, but acceptable if you are only lightly sauteeing. I agree about the olive oil. Besides, it doesn't taste good heated. I prefer using real lard, actually, or ghee (yes, I know that is a milk derived product, but it is also pure fat)

[captxray]

There are so many things that are good or bad for us...depending on who said it, it's kinda cofusin'. Palm Oil, grapeseed oil, rape seed oil, canola oil...go for the one that suits your fancy...just don't cook with olive oil, or polyunsaturated oil, or soy oil...ooooooo. BAD!

[kghamilton]

I'm intrigued. I just finished Eat Fat Get Thin and have ordered Neanderthin. I liked Groves' book.

[ahhaba]

Here in the UK canola oil comes under the name of rapeseed oil. I'm abit confused too now after thinking for so long how canola was bad for us. Also finding it hard to believe that palm oil is good, its that cheap yukky stuff? Would'nt virgin coconut oil be 100 times preferable and more stable, never goes rancid etc etc?

Flaxseed has long had a bad press IF YOU LOOKED FOR IT in research papers etc. But even Leslie Kenton says towards the back of her X Factor book (after extolling its virtues elsewhere) that SOME people find it hard to metabolise (!!!)

I started off thinking how odd that olive oil was supposed to be the best fat to cook with (I'm mediterranean and never have I known anyone to cook with the stuff on the other hand we did use yukky marg on bread and thick disgusting rationed oil (yes with ration books in the 60s and 70s LOL) to cook with so I stand with you all on this...

...go figure!

[walken1]

Hey, I'm new here on this board....I love it so far. I have been in the Military my entire adult life (Marines for 15 years and now in the Army) and in that time I have been into running, bodybuilding, and boxing to name a few. I still work out with weights and do crazy things like walk 6 -18 miles with an 80lb. backpack. I used to follow the high carb/ultra low-fat diet that all the so called "experts" was so good for us.....naturally I rejected the new low-carb diets. Then one day, I started researching the subject (Adkins, Protein Power, etc.) and it made alot of sense. I've been doing low carb for a month now and so far, I love it. I've lost some strenght in the gym but my endurance is fantastic! I didn't do this to lose weight....I want the health benefits. My bodyfat was already low, but now it is superlow, despite pigging out on high calorie nuts...I mean you can see every vein in my stomach and there's no fat there to pinch. I just bout Neanderthin, Paleo Diet, and Life without Bread....can't wait to read them!

[PaleoDeano]

Hi walken! Welcome aboard!

Neanderthin, Paleo Diet, and Life Without Bread are all great books! On the subject of oils, I know that there is cold-pressed canola oil, and then there is (dangerously) heat processed canola oil. This later type is what is VERY harmful! The cold-pressed is suppose to be good, although I usually use (cold-pressed) extra virgin olive oil over canola. I also take flaxseed oil daily (for the omega 3). I have not heard about that being bad. I have lately (especially after reading Life Without Bread) been frying eggs in lots of butter - and putting lots of butter on hot veggies (like broccoli). I know it is dairy (and have my reservations about it from that standpoint), but I have heard such good things about it. I was also trying to increase the fat (saturated as well) in my diet.

BTW... I just got through with an experiment, where I consumed as much fat (especially saturated) as I could stand for two whole months. I was eating lots of eggs fried in butter, bacon, pork sausage, fatty burgers, hot dogs, brats, lamb, pork chops, chicken thighs (with skins), cheese, etc. I even ate all the fat that was on the meat (never cut any off). I wanted to see whether my cholesterol would skyrocket. The last time I had it tested (about 6 months ago) was right after a month where I was eating tons of sugar (sugar binge city). That is another story... But, I was eating very little if any fat during that month, and my cholesterol tested 267! I just had it checked again (after these two months of eating lots of fat, and very low carbs), and it is now DOWN to 182! I was fearing it would be like 400 or something! But, anyone that tells you eggs, fatty meat, butter, etc. will RAISE your cholesterol, you can set them straight - it is SUGAR (carbs) that raises your cholesterol. I tested 205 a couple years ago, when I was eating a low fat/high carb diet - with NO junk food for months. So, that type of diet will NOT lower your cholesterol - despite those Cheerios commercials that are constantly bombarded onto the TV sets across America!

Eating grass-fed animals (especially wild animals, like Bison, Elk, Deer, etc) would surely make it unnecessary to consume flax oil to get the omega 3, because the grass-fed animals have a balanced omega 3/6 ratio, whereas grain-fed animals have a super high omega 6 content.

Does anyone agree/disagree about eating grass-fed animals versus factory farmed grain-fed animals?

[walken1]

For all of my adult life, I had prescribed to the ultra low-fat/ high carb diet that they all said was so good for us....a few months ago I made the change to low-carb after reading about the horrors inflicted on the body by sugars and excessive carbohydrate foods. At my Army physical last year, my total cholesterol was 145! I don't think a number that low is even healthy....and I didn't get to see the hdl/ldl ratios....or triglycerides. I remember a few years before my total was 155....very low, but my triglycerides were quite high! That's why total cholesterol doesn't mean that much. It's the ratios and triglycerides that really count. I am very interested in seeing how this diet will change my numbers.