Milk

[Vivienne]

Hi

Because of my husband's new diagnosis of low haemoglobin
caused by iron deficiency and osteoporosis of the spine, I
have been spending hours on the internet trying to find a
connection between the two. I have found many vegan sites that
say milk causes bleeding in the intestine and also that in
countries where dairy intake is greatest, so is osteoporosis.
I am afraid that these sites are biased and was wondering if
anyone knew of a more 'scientific' site.

Any help in finding more information would be most
appreciated.

Thanks!

Vivienne

[Matti Nark]

Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:57:03 GMT in article
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"Vivienne" <vivienne@rogers.com> wrote:
>
>Because of my husband's new diagnosis of low haemoglobin
>caused by iron deficiency and osteoporosis of the spine, I
>have been spending hours on the internet trying to find a
>connection between the two. I have found many vegan sites
>that say milk causes bleeding in the intestine and also that
>in countries where dairy intake is greatest, so is
>osteoporosis. I am afraid that these sites are biased and was
>wondering if anyone knew of a more 'scientific' site.
>
Sure they are biased. It seems to be true though that where
dairy intake is greatest, there osteoporosis is most common.
But this is just a statistical association, there is no causal
link. If you look at the map, the countries with high dairy
intake and osteoporosis incidence are mostly western well-off
economies nearer the poles than the equator. So there may be
lack of vitamin D in the winter. Consumption of animal protein
is high in these countries; this promotes loss of calcium in
urine. Life styles are often fairly sedentary which also
promotes osteoporosis.

Still, I don't think that dairy products are health products.
IMHO one can find better and healthier sources of calcium.

--
Matti Narkia

[Matti Nark]

Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:57:03 GMT in article
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"Vivienne" <vivienne@rogers.com> wrote:
>
>Because of my husband's new diagnosis of low haemoglobin
>caused by iron deficiency and osteoporosis of the spine, I
>have been spending hours on the internet trying to find a
>connection between the two.

There are number factors causing iron deficiency and a number
of additional factors contributing to osteoporosis. Why do you
believe there is a connection? But if you insist on looking a
single factor, a diet with high phytic acid content could be
one candidate. Phytic acid chelates iron and calcium (and
zinc) thus inhibits their bioavailability.

--
Matti Narkia

[Vivienne]

Hi Matti

> There are number factors causing iron deficiency and a
> number of
additional
> factors contributing to osteoporosis. Why do you believe
> there is a connection?

It was just a shot in the dark. I've been searching anything
I could think of. It occurred to me that he drinks lots of
milk - 3-4 quarts a week and he has osteoporisis. And then I
remembered reading somewhere that calcium inhibits
absorption of iron and I was hoping that his problem was as
simple as that.

Thanks for helping me play detective.

Vivienne

[Bogus Addr]

> Because of my husband's new diagnosis of low haemoglobin
> caused by iron deficiency and osteoporosis of the spine, I
> have been spending hours on the internet trying to find a
> connection between the two. I have found many vegan sites
> that say milk causes bleeding in the intestine and also that
> in countries where dairy intake is greatest, so is
> osteoporosis. I am afraid that these sites are biased and
> was wondering if anyone knew of a more 'scientific' site.
>
> Any help in finding more information would be most
> appreciated.

You might take a look at the Journal of Nutritional and
Environmental Medicine vol 12 no 3, September 2002, symposium
issue "Health Hazards of Milk". The whole volume is worth
reading (and there are an immense number of references) but in
particular the article by R.J. Harris, "Is Milk Best for
Infants and Toddlers?", which points out that in the
population of Asian children in a deprived area of East
London, it seems that an abnormally high milk intake in early
life is causing a fairly serious epidemic of iron deficiency.

Osteoporosis is less clear-cut (there is definitely an
osteoporosis risk from cheese), but there is one article in
that collection which points out that there is actually no
evidence that any effect milk might have on bone density is
due to its calcium content (other contenders are protein
and IGF-1).

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[Aline & Ro]

"Vivienne" <vivienne@rogers.com> wrote in message news:<zuav9-
.97348$Q3S.62225@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...
> Hi
>
> Because of my husband's new diagnosis of low haemoglobin
> caused by iron deficiency and osteoporosis of the spine, I
> have been spending hours on the internet trying to find a
> connection between the two. I have found many vegan sites
> that say milk causes bleeding in the intestine and also that
> in countries where dairy intake is greatest, so is
> osteoporosis. I am afraid that these sites are biased and
> was wondering if anyone knew of a more 'scientific' site.
>
> Any help in finding more information would be most
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Vivienne

May Be Just a Glass of Milk A "Whey" http://www.nationaldairy-
council.org/lvl04/newsres/releases/press_releasesQV5XNM.asp

Take care Aline& Roger

[Vivienne]

Hi

bogus address <bogus@purr.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:10072@purr.demon.co.uk...

> You might take a look at the Journal of Nutritional and
> Environmental Medicine vol 12 no 3, September 2002,
> symposium issue "Health Hazards of Milk". The whole volume
> is worth reading (and there are an immense number of
> references) but in particular the article by R.J. Harris,
> "Is Milk Best for Infants and Toddlers?",

Thanks - I shall do an internet search for it.

Vivienne

[Vivienne]

Hi Aline & Roger

> May Be Just a Glass of Milk A "Whey"
>
http://www.nationaldairycouncil.org/lvl04/newsres/releases/pr-
ess_releasesQV5 XNM.asp

So much confilicting advice :-(

Thanks !

Vivienne

[taurusrc]

It is true that calcium carbonate interferes with iron
absorption. However the calcium in milk is not calcium
carbonate. A pint of milk daily is not really "lots of milk".

Antacids frequently contain calcium carbonate. Does he
use antacids?

Ora

On Mon, 28 Oct 2002 17:23:47 GMT, "Vivienne"
<vivienne@rogers.com> wrote:

>Hi Matti
>
>> There are number factors causing iron deficiency and a
>> number of
>additional
>> factors contributing to osteoporosis. Why do you believe
>> there is a connection?
>
>It was just a shot in the dark. I've been searching anything
>I could think of. It occurred to me that he drinks lots of
>milk - 3-4 quarts a week and he has osteoporisis. And then I
>remembered reading somewhere that calcium inhibits
>absorption of iron and I was hoping that his problem was as
>simple as that.
>
>Thanks for helping me play detective.
>
>Vivienne

[Vivienne]

Hi Ora

< Does he use antacids?

No. I think maybe I'll wait now for the colonoscopy before I
try to figure it out on my own. I'm beginning to do a lot of
fuzzy thinking with all this information and trying to double
and triple guess.

Thanks to everyone for all the info - it's much appreciated.

Vivienne

[Bogus Addr]

>> You might take a look at the Journal of Nutritional and
>> Environmental Medicine vol 12 no 3, September 2002,
>> symposium issue "Health Hazards of Milk". The whole volume
>> is worth reading (and there are an immense number of
>> references) but in particular the article by R.J. Harris,
>> "Is Milk Best for Infants and Toddlers?",
> Thanks - I shall do an internet search for it.

If you mean you're trying to find the articles on the
Internet, forget
it. They're only available to subscribers, and Taylor and
Francis run you through so many hoops to get at them that
I've never bothered.

In the UK the handiest source for medical/health journals is
your local Health Promotion library - 50p for each
photocopied article.

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[Vivienne]

Hi Jack

> If you mean you're trying to find the articles on the
> Internet, forget
> it.

Thanks for warning me - I was starting to get frustrated. :-)

I'm off to the library.

Vivienne

[John Sanke]

I agree with the advice to gradually blend in cow's milk to
the formula your child is used to. Of course, there's always
the way my mom used: the first bite, we got weaned, and if we
had any objections to cow's milk, we simply got offered
nothing else until we were hungry enough to take it!

But this IS a nutrition group. Given a choice, I'd never
switch a child to cow's milk until they were taking several
solid foods to balance the change in nutrition.

[John Sanke]

Pasteurization is a lot more than 40 years old, but (in Canada
at least) milk is no longer pasteurised - it's sterilised at
high heat and pressure. Really pasteurised milk, like I grew
up with, goes sour in a day at room temperature - the modern
stuff only goes rotton. Our government, as usual, has
authorised doublespeak - milk is still described as
pasteurised so we poor little helpless citizens won't get
'upset' or ask questions ...