Stillman Quick Weight Loss Diet

[suze_c]

Submitted for approval, is the following summary written on the Stillman Quick Weight Loss Diet. If there needs to be anything added, please let me know... and feel free to edit as necessary. Thank you for letting me have the opportunity to share my experience with Stillman's QWLD.
Stillman's Quick Weight Loss Diet Summary
This is a summary for The Quick Weight Loss Diet, commonly known as the Stillman Diet. He also published other diets as well, but the Quick Weight Loss Diet or QWL diet, for short, will be discussed in this summary, in addition to the Stay-Slim diet, which is also covered in his book.

The Stillman QWL-Diet was originally published in August 1968,according to the paperback copy that I have. Conflicting reports off of the web state that it was published in 1961, by Irwin Maxwell Stillman, M.D. and Samm Sinclair Baker, (who later co-wrote the Complete Diet' with Herman Tarnower and, barely credited, Jean Harris). The book not only includes the QWL diet, and Stay Slim eating, but also has over 60 additional diets for those who want a little variety. There are diets according to particular health problems, one-food diets, craver’s diet, just to name a few. Stillman was a strict carnivore, allowing his patients to eat only lean meat, poultry, eggs, and low-fat cheeses. His theory was that the protein molecule is so big and complex that it takes the body more energy to digest it.

3, Basic Philosophy/Strategy: It was one of the first low carb diets and was very popular in its time. Even now, it is known as quick way to shed extra weight. The plan is very Low (practically nonexistent) Carbohydrate and also low fat diet, with food choices being as lean as possible, and no fats or oils to be used in preparation of meals. The main emphasis is on eating protein to lose weight.


There are 2 phases to this diet: First, the QWL-diet, which can be compared to the Induction phase of Atkins, however as I will show, is different in composition than Atkins. The second phase of the diet, is what Stillman refers to as stay-slim eating. This can be compared to the Maintenance phase of Atkins, though again with different foods.

The following are what is allowed on this diet:
NOTHING ELSE IS PERMITTED ON THIS DIET--NOTHING! IF IT'S NOT
MENTIONED IN THE FOLLOWING LIST, DON'T EAT OR DRINK IT.

Eat all you wish of the following foods to satisfy hunger.
If you eat until you've satisfied your hunger but haven't stuffed
yourself, and then feel hungry before the next meal, you can eat
again, but only from the foods listed here. In fact, you're better
off eating smaller meals 6 times a day than 3 bigger meals as is
the general custom. But you limit yourself to this extensive list
of high protein foods.

1. Lean meats: with all possible fat trimmed off and have it broiled, boiled, baked or smoked. No fats, butter, oil, margarine or other fats or greases in preparation of it.

2. Chicken or Turkey: With all skin removed, Broiled, roasted or baked and same rule as above in regards to preparation.

3. All Lean Fish, such as haddock, cod, flounder, perch.SEAFOOD:shrimps,scallops,lobsters,oysters,clams,crabs,again broiled, baked or boiled... same rules apply to preparation of meats. CANNED TUNA MAY BE EATEN, BUT ONLY IF WATER PACKED.

4. EGGS: Hard-boiled preferably, but you can eat them anyway you prefer, just prepared the same as meats, that is, without any oils.

5. Cottage cheese, farmer’s cheese, pot cheese and other cheeses made with skim milk in moderation, and not made with whole milk.

6.At LEAST 8 glasses of water per day, ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL to this diet (10 oz. glasses). You are also allowed, coffee, tea, and any non-caloric beverages on this diet....IN ADDITION to the water requirements.

7. BROTH, CHICKEN CONSOMME, BEEF BOULLION: Check labels for low calories, and to make sure no fats are used in preparation.

8. LOW CALORIE ARTIFICIALLY SWEETENED GELATIN: May use ONLY if limited to 1-2 average servings per day. No toppings allowed,

9. HERBS AND SPICES: OK if used in moderation.

10. CATSUP, COCKTAIL SAUCES: Use in moderation IF they contain no fat! NO MAYONNAISE, SALAD DRESSINGS, NO OILS OR FATS, NOT EVEN "LIGHT" SALAD DRESSINGS

11. VITAMIN-MINERAL TABLET DAILY.



The eight (10 ounce) glasses of water daily are in addition to
whatever coffee, tea and non-caloric carbonated beverages you
drink. This is an integral part of the specific internal process put
into motion by the Quick Weight Loss Diet. Much more of your
body fat is burned up than with most other diets. This leaves in
its wake the waste products or ashes of burnt fat. [ketone bodies]
They must all be washed out of your system by water which also
serves to relieve any unpleasant dryness and taste in the mouth.

Note: ketone bodies are not ashes; they are the by-product
of incomplete burning of fats. Ketones are to fat as charcoal is to
wood. Ketones can be burned for fuel by your body. Most people
have feedback loops to protect against ketosis-acidosis.

You may use common seasonings such as salt, pepper, garlic,
cloves, thyme, other herbs and spices, cocktail sauce, Tabasco
sauce, horseradish, ketchup. Don't use any creamy or oily sauces
or dressings. No mayonnaise, no salad dressings, no oils, no fats.


NOTHING ELSE IS PERMITTED ON THIS DIET--NOTHING! IF IT'S NOT
MENTIONED IN THE PROCEEDING LIST, DON'T EAT OR DRINK IT.

If you disregard the instructions and eat regular carbohydrates
or sugar or alcohol, you will stop burning up stored fat as
efficiently. Even one indiscretion, one mouthful of ice cream, for
example, will set you back a day or two.

You will lose the most weight on The Quick Loss Diet, most quickly,
if you eat only to satisfy your hunger pangs rather than to gratify
a desire to eat just for the pleasure of eating.

This diet has practically no residue (fiber). Therefore it is likely
that you may not have a bowel movement for a few days, although
not necessarily so. In any case don't be alarmed by any such lack.
[Note: extra vitamin C or milk of magnesia is helpful in some cases]

NO FOODS (NOT PERMITTED)
NO ALCOHOL
NO RICH DESSERTS
NO SOFT DRINKS CONTAINING SUGAR
NO DAIRY PRODUCTS PERMITTED OTHER THAN THE CHHESES LISTED, AND EGGS.
NO SUGAR
NO CEREALS OR PASTA PRODUCTS
NO VEGETABLES OR FRUITS OF ANY KIND
NO NON-PROTEIN FILLERS
BASICALLY IF IT IS NOT ON THE LIST OF ALLOWED FOODS FOR THE QWL-PLAN, IT IS NOT ALLOWED!


6. Typical menu: Stillman advises eating 6 meals a day as opposed to 3, for faster weight loss.
QUICK WEIGHT LOSS DIET SAMPLE MENU STAY-SLIM EATING PLAN
Breakfast: 2 eggs 1 c. Orange juice
2 oz. Skim milk cheese black coffee or tea
black coffee or tea

Mid-morning: 1 HB egg 1 slice toast w/ 1 T. jam
Snack ½ c. cottage cheese black coffee or tea or
black coffee or tea or non-caloric beverage
non-caloric beverage

DINNER: 4 oz. Lean hamburger Hamburger
1-2 oz. Skim milk cheese or 4 asparagus spears
½ c. cottage cheese ½ grapefruit
choice of non-caloric beverage choice of non-caloric beverage

P.M. Snack low-cal. Sugar-free gelatin 1 slice toast
Choice of non-caloric beverage 1. oz. Cottage cheese
(NO TOPPINGS ALLOWED) Choice of non-caloric beverage

SUPPER: serving of bouillon soup 6 shrimps w/cocktail sauce
4-6 oz. Roasted chicken 2 lamb chops
2 oz. Skim milk cheese baked potato
Choice of non-caloric beverage spinach
Lemon meringue pie
Choice of non-caloric beverage

BEFORE low.cal.sugar-free gelatin 1 glass of skim milk
BED SNACK Choice of non-caloric beverage 2 graham crackers

Note: This is just a sample menu. There are no restrictions on the amount of lean meats, skim milk cheeses, and cottage cheese on the QWL diet. The only restriction is on the low-calorie sugar-free gelatin,1-2 average portions per day, with nothing added.

The rules for the Stay-Slim diet are to gradually increase carbohydrates and fat portions, and watch for a 3 lb. Increase on the scale. If you see that, then go back to the QWL diet to take it off.

The emphasis on The Stillman Quick Weight Loss Diet is predominantly protein, with no carbohydrates, and no added fat, choosing lean meats, and no oils used in preparation thereof. The cheeses allowed are of the skim milk variety. He also advocates exercise as a means to quicken weight loss, and sufficient sleep for the body to rest.

The QWL diet does not offer any deterring from the ALLOWED FOODS list. Any deviation from this list is seen as a definite No-no, and to be avoided at all costs. He says that weight loss can be stalled by such deviations. The book themselves,



Dr. Stillman practiced medicine for over 50 years with the following accreditations: consultant in Internal Medicine at Coney Island hospital, Brooklyn, N.Y., was attending physician in Medicine at Coney Island hospital, an attending physician in Medicine at Harbor hospital, a clinical instructor of Medicine at Long Island College Hospital, a Fellow of the American College of Angiology and a Fellow of the American Geriatric Society. It is irony that Stillman died of a heart attack in 1975 - after some 20 million people had been on his diet. (Even armed with this bit of information, I would not be one to contribute his heart attack to his diet.)
A main difference between this diet, and Atkins is food preparation, no oils or fats are to be used AT ALL, and lean meats are allowed, not fatty ones, in fact they are highly discouraged. You can have no-cal. sodas on this, although I think I would heed Dr. Atkins advice about aspartame re: this. NO VEGGIES WHATSOEVER, NO EVEN LETTUCE!
I done this diet when I was younger, and lost 26lbs. in 4 weeks, and I followed it to the *T*, and that was even the original one that did not allow the gelatin and the soup! It does work, BUT a person has to be willing to stick to it strictly. Falling off of it, will greatly slow down the fatburning process. If someone doesn’t mind the restrictions, in my opinion, this is a diet that will bring about a quick reduction.

[suze_c]

I have not heard anything about my summary... is it ok? The diet material, i.e., foods allowed & preparation, I got from the book... so as to give accurate information... if it needs any revising, please let me know? Thank you.

[seyont]

The restrictions and rules listed appear to have nothing to do with the typical day's diet.

Following the rules, I would think you'd suffer from rabbit starvation. The meals, though, look like good old-fashioned fare.

Is the diet from a different phase than the rules?

[suze_c]

seyont... i looked to see what you meant... thinking what???? and I see the error... i put the original summary in columns for the diet menues... being 2 different phases represented... and putting it on here, did not go into columns as I had wrote it originally,... will edit it, then repost... thanks for pointing this out!!!! :thup:

[doreen T]

hi Suze,

Wow, thankyou so much for the time and effort. We really appreciate it, and any self-edits you feel are necessary. I have Stillman's QWD too, but confess that I haven't read it in a while.

If you don't mind?, I'd like to split off your review from this general thread, and make it into its OWN thread. That way it will be easy for folks to find.

Doreen

[suze_c]

This is a summary for The Quick Weight Loss Diet, commonly known as the Stillman Diet. He also published other diets as well, but the Quick Weight Loss Diet or QWL diet, for short, will be discussed in this summary, in addition to the Stay-Slim diet, which is also covered in his book.

The Stillman QWL-Diet was originally published in August 1968,according to the paperback copy that I have. Conflicting reports off of the web state that it was published in 1961, by Irwin Maxwell Stillman, M.D. and Samm Sinclair Baker, (who later co-wrote the Complete Diet' with Herman Tarnower and, barely credited, Jean Harris). The book not only includes the QWL diet, and Stay Slim eating, but also has over 60 additional diets for those who want a little variety. There are diets according to particular health problems, one-food diets, craver’s diet, just to name a few. Stillman was a strict carnivore, allowing his patients to eat only lean meat, poultry, eggs, and low-fat cheeses.

It was one of the first low carb diets and was very popular in its time. Even now, it is known as quick way to shed extra weight. The plan is very Low (practically nonexistent) Carbohydrate and also low fat diet, with food choices being as lean as possible, and no fats or oils to be used in preparation of meals. The main emphasis is on eating protein to lose weight. Stillman's theory in the excessive protein allowances, was that the protein molecule was so big and complex that the body requires body more energy to digest it.

There are 2 phases to this diet: First, the QWL-diet, which can be compared to the Induction phase of Atkins, however as I will show, is different in composition than Atkins. The second phase of the diet, is what Stillman refers to as stay-slim eating. This can be compared to the Maintenance phase of Atkins, though again with different foods.

The following are what is allowed on this diet( THE QUICK WEIGHT LOSS DIET:PHASE 1)
NOTHING ELSE IS PERMITTED ON THIS DIET--NOTHING! IF IT'S NOT MENTIONED IN THE FOLLOWING LIST, DON'T EAT OR DRINK IT.
Eat all you wish of the following foods to satisfy hunger.
If you eat until you've satisfied your hunger but haven't stuffed
yourself, and then feel hungry before the next meal, you can eat
again, but only from the foods listed here. In fact, you're better
off eating smaller meals 6 times a day than 3 bigger meals as is
the general custom. But limit yourself to this extensive list
of high protein foods.
1. Lean meats: with all possible fat trimmed off and have it broiled, boiled, baked or smoked. No fats, butter, oil, margarine or other fats or greases in preparation of it.
2. Chicken or Turkey: With all skin removed, Broiled, roasted or baked and same rule as above in regards to preparation.
3. All Lean Fish(such as haddock, cod, flounder,perch) SEAFOOD:shrimps,scallops,lobsters,oysters,clams,crabs,again broiled, baked or boiled... same rules apply to preparation of meats. CANNED TUNA MAY BE EATEN, BUT ONLY IF WATER PACKED.
4. EGGS: Hard-boiled preferably, but you can eat them anyway you prefer, just prepared the same as meats, that is, without any oils.
5. Cottage cheese, farmer’s cheese, pot cheese and other cheeses made with skim milk in moderation, and not made with whole milk.
6.At LEAST 8 glasses of water per day, ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL to this diet (10 oz. glasses). You are also allowed, coffee, tea, and any non-caloric beverages on this diet....IN ADDITION to the water requirements.
7. BROTH, CHICKEN CONSOMME, BEEF BOULLION: Check labels for low calories, and to make sure no fats are used in preparation.
8. LOW CALORIE ARTIFICIALLY SWEETENED GELATIN: May use ONLY if limited to 1-2 average servings per day. No toppings allowed,
9. HERBS AND SPICES: OK if used in moderation.You may use common seasonings such as salt, pepper, garlic,
cloves, thyme, other herbs and spices.
10. CATSUP, COCKTAIL SAUCES: Use in moderation IF they contain no fat! NO MAYONNAISE, SALAD DRESSINGS, NO OILS OR FATS, NOT EVEN "LIGHT" SALAD DRESSINGS.You may use Tabasco
sauce, horseradish, ketchup. Don't use any creamy or oily sauces
or dressings. No mayonnaise, no salad dressings, no oils, no fats
11. VITAMIN-MINERAL TABLET DAILY.

The eight (10 ounce) glasses of water daily are in addition to
whatever coffee, tea and non-caloric carbonated beverages you
drink. This is an integral part of the specific internal process put
into motion by the Quick Weight Loss Diet. Much more of your
body fat is burned up than with most other diets. This leaves in
its wake the waste products or ashes of burnt fat. [ketone bodies].They must all be washed out of your system by water which also serves to relieve any unpleasant dryness and taste in the mouth.
Note: ketone bodies are not ashes; they are the by-product
of incomplete burning of fats. Ketones are to fat as charcoal is to
wood. Ketones can be burned for fuel by your body. Most people
have feedback loops to protect against ketosis-acidosis.

NOTHING ELSE IS PERMITTED ON THIS DIET--NOTHING! IF IT'S NOT MENTIONED IN THE PROCEEDING LIST, DON'T EAT OR DRINK IT. If you disregard the instructions and eat regular carbohydrates
or sugar or alcohol, you will stop burning up stored fat as
efficiently. Even one indiscretion, one mouthful of ice cream, for
example, will set you back a day or two.

You will lose the most weight on The Quick Loss Diet, most quickly,
if you eat only to satisfy your hunger pangs rather than to gratify
a desire to eat just for the pleasure of eating.

This diet has practically no residue (fiber). Therefore it is likely
that you may not have a bowel movement for a few days, although not necessarily so. In any case don't be alarmed by any such lack. [Note: extra vitamin C or milk of magnesia is helpful in some cases]

NO FOODS (NOT PERMITTED)
NO ALCOHOL
NO RICH DESSERTS
NO SOFT DRINKS CONTAINING SUGAR
NO DAIRY PRODUCTS PERMITTED OTHER THAN THE CHHESES LISTED, AND EGGS.
NO SUGAR
NO CEREALS OR PASTA PRODUCTS
NO VEGETABLES OR FRUITS OF ANY KIND
NO NON-PROTEIN FILLERS
BASICALLY IF IT IS NOT ON THE LIST OF ALLOWED FOODS FOR THE QWL-PLAN, IT IS NOT ALLOWED!

Stillman advises eating 6 meals a day as opposed to 3, for faster weight loss.
QUICK WEIGHT LOSS DIET SAMPLE MENU
Breakfast: 2 eggs,2 oz. Skim milk cheese,black coffee or tea
MIDMORNING SNACK: 1 HB egg, ½ c. cottage cheese,black coffee or tea or non-caloric beverage
DINNER: 4 oz. Lean hamburger
1-2 oz. Skim milk cheese or
½ c. cottage cheese
choice of non-caloric beverage
P.M. SNACK low-cal. Sugar-free gelatin
Choice of non-caloric beverage
(NO TOPPINGS ALLOWED)
SUPPER: serving of bouillon soup
4-6 oz. Roasted chicken
2 oz. Skim milk cheese
Choice of non-caloric beverage
BEFORE BED SNACK: low.cal.sugar-free gelatin,choice of non-caloric beverage

THE STAY SLIM EATING PLAN: PHASE II OF THE STILLMAN DIET:

The rules for the Stay-Slim diet are to gradually increase carbohydrates and fat portions, and watch for a 3 lb. Increase on the scale. If you see that, then go back to the QWL diet to take it off.
STAY-SLIM EATING SAMPLE MENU:
BREAKFAST: 1 c. Orange juice, black coffee or tea
MID-MORNING SNACK: 1 slice toast w/ 1 T. jam, black coffee or tea or NON-CALORIC BEVERAGE
DINNER: Hamburger, 4 asparagus spears,1/2 grapefruit, choice of non-caloric beverage
P.M. SNACK: 1 slice toast,1. oz. Cottage cheese, Choice of non-caloric beverage
SUPPER: 6 shrimps w/cocktail sauce, 2 lamb chops, baked potato,spinach, Lemon meringue pie,Choice of non-caloric beverage
BEFORE BED SNACK:1 glass of skim milk,2 graham crackers

Note: This are just sample menus. There are no restrictions on the amount of lean meats, skim milk cheeses,eggs and cottage cheese on the QWL diet. The only restriction is on the low-calorie sugar-free gelatin,1-2 average portions per day, with nothing added.
The emphasis on The Stillman Quick Weight Loss Diet is predominantly protein, with no carbohydrates, and no added fat, choosing lean meats, and no oils used in preparation thereof. The cheeses allowed are of the skim milk variety. He also advocates exercise as a means to quicken weight loss, and sufficient sleep for the body to rest.

The QWL diet does not offer any deterring from the ALLOWED FOODS list. Any deviation from this list is seen as a definite No-no, and to be avoided at all costs. He says that weight loss can be stalled by such deviations.

Dr. Stillman practiced medicine for over 50 years with the following accreditations: consultant in Internal Medicine at Coney Island hospital, Brooklyn, N.Y., was attending physician in Medicine at Coney Island hospital, an attending physician in Medicine at Harbor hospital, a clinical instructor of Medicine at Long Island College Hospital, a Fellow of the American College of Angiology and a Fellow of the American Geriatric Society.It is irony that Stillman died of a heart attack in 1975 - after some 20 million people had been on his diet.

A main difference between this diet, and Atkins is food preparation, no oils or fats are to be used AT ALL, and lean meats are allowed, not fatty ones, in fact they are highly discouraged. You can have no-cal. sodas on this, although I think I would heed Dr. Atkins advice about aspartame re: this. NO VEGGIES WHATSOEVER, NO EVEN LETTUCE!
I did this diet when I was younger, and lost 26lbs. in 4 weeks, and I followed it to the *T*, and that was even the original one that did not allow the gelatin and the soup! It does work, BUT a person has to be willing to stick to it strictly. Falling off of it, will greatly slow down the fatburning process. If someone doesn’t mind the restrictions, in my opinion, this is a diet that will bring about a quick reduction.

[suze_c]

"Wow, thankyou so much for the time and effort. We really appreciate it, and any self-edits you feel are necessary. I have Stillman's QWD too, but confess that I haven't read it in a while.

If you don't mind?, I'd like to split off your review from this general thread, and make it into its OWN thread. That way it will be easy for folks to find. Doreen"

Doreen, anywhere you would feel it's appropriate to post, is fine with me~I had originally wrote it to go into the quick links low carb plan comparison, but wherever it gets put is fine. The spacing on this forum is so different than on my WORD, so do spacing corrections, and whatever other ones you might need to do~ and thanks~!

[doreen T]

For now, having its own thread here will be great for readers who are searching the various forums for info.

thanks again :)

Doreen

[seyont]

(Now I'm just being picky...)

'NO FOODS (NOT PERMITTED)' seems rather harsh. Is that instead supposed to be a heading for the list, something like...

The "NO" Foods (not permitted):

or

NONE OF THE FOLLOWING FOODS:

or maybe a word is missing

NO CARB-CONTAINING FOODS (NOT PERMITTED)


Also, there seems to be some strangeness in this passage, esp. between the aspartame and veggies, as if a cat stepped on the backspace key while you had a sentence highlighted:

You can have no-cal. sodas on this, although I think I would heed Dr. Atkins advice about aspartame re: this. NO VEGGIES WHATSOEVER, NO EVEN LETTUCE!
I done this diet when I was younger

I'll go away now.

[suze_c]

NO FOODS (NOT PERMITTED) <--- this means NO FOODS(NOT PERMITTED) in that these foods are not permitted on the diet... and THAT MEANS NOT ALLOWED,NOT TO BE CONSUMED, NOT TO BE EATEN, NOT TO BE INGESTED..... :lol: get the idea???

and "You can have no-cal. sodas on this, although I think I would heed Dr. Atkins advice about aspartame re: this. NO VEGGIES WHATSOEVER, NO EVEN LETTUCE!"

If you read anything about what Atkins says about aspartame, you would know what I am talking about... Stillman's plan DOES allow diet sodas.... BUT Dr. Atkins, advises against the consumption of aspartame... including in diet sodas and non-caloric beverages... re:this.... means regarding this. The No veggies whatsoever...etc., is a continued part of that sentence~!

NOW.... ANYTHING "else" that you want to point out? :daze:

[nicoleb]

ive got a question...is the eggs there stated may be eaten as a whole(hardboiled)? or only the eggwhites???its only limited to 2 a day????
does this plan make u lose faster than atkins??and is it safe to use htis plan alternate to atkins induction..like there may be days id be doing the stillmans..there may be days id be doin atkins??/
*sorry, for too much queries :o

[suze_c]

The only restriction is on the low-calorie sugar-free gelatin,1-2 average portions per day, with nothing added, otherwise you can have as much of the allowed foods as you want. You can have as many eggs as you want, and fixed whatever way you want, as long as there is not fats or oils used in preparation. I would get a stick-free skillet, some PAM,or similiar spray, and make omelettes with cheese, and you can also add different meats.
As far as your asking if this plan makes you lose faster than Atkins... I think that is an individual thing, and will vary with the individual. That may sound like a general answer, but it is true. Our bodies all react in their own way to dieting, and food, and this for you may be faster than Stillman's. I like the foods allowed on Atkins, but personally, for me... it is too much fat... but that is *me*...Stillman's gives me an alternative, even though it is much stricter than Atkins, it is not something that I mind doing.My plan right now is a mixture of the two, and it seems to be working, and if it doesn't then I will tweak it until it does!

[GatorGal93]

Suze_C: Thank you (again) for the info. This is day 3 for me and I owe it all to your information, as the Stillman book is out of publication.

Doreen: Thank you for posting this in it's own thread. I did a search for Stillman on here 2 days ago and many of the comments by the 'non-newbies' were a little negative on Stillman. It is nice to see some positive, informational comments.

Julie

[nicoleb]

suze_c,
thanks for the rep!!! :wave:
i was jsut wondering..how do you combine both plans??one advocates fat and the other one doesnt? and what phase of the atkins plan are u in ryt now?? :)

[suze_c]

This is my own combination, and I am trying it experimentally... I guess if I had to give it a phase from Atkins, it would still be in Induction though... How am I combining the two? Let me see if I can explain it... I am eating the allowed foods from Stillman's,... that is, the lean approach to food preparation,not using fats or oils to prepare my food, and sticking to low fat/skim milk cheeses. I had read some time ago, and cannot recall where now, that it was better to eat the white cheeses, than the yellow ones... and I tend to eat more white ones, than yellow... and I allow myself a salad with allowed veggies from atkins in there... one per day if I am hungry for it.... otherwise I just eat the allowed foods on Stillman's... I don't mind the restrictions per se, it is still more than I ate "before" and certainly healthier... I drink at the least a gallon of water per day, but that is my own personal thing, and I think if a person can at least drink the water requirement of Stillmans, that they should be ok.I know that I could eat sugar free gelatin, but since I am not craving anything sweet, I forgo that part of the diet. Like I said... I am just trying this.... I have done a high carb/low fat diet in the past, and lost 40 lb. in 3 months... I ate LOTS... usually 1800-2000 calories per day, and it seemed all I done was eat some days :) The thing was, I still had cravings, and I had my fill of the high sugar/low fat goodies that I was "allowed"... I had a personal goal to eat as low fat as I could, and it seemed the pounds just melted off... I walked EVERY day, at least a mile, and some days up to 9 miles per day! When I started out, I could barely do a mile, and then I got to the point where I was running alongside my friends car, so we could gauge how fast I could run! :lol: aaahhh the things bored ppl will do for fun!! :daze: I had every intention of continuing with that way of eating, then I got p.o.'ed at my ex,(he was my hubby then), and I thought I will show you.... and went back to eating all of the crap that I was eating before... and gained all of my weight back... and even more later~ The thing is, I am relearning how to eat healthy... I know eventually I will be adding more carbs, and more fat...though the healthier kind of fat, to my way of eating... but being on this LC way... I feel so much better... I have more energy, my overall attitude is better... do I still have bad days? I would be lying if I said that I was upbeat all the time... but I can definitely tell the difference since Sept. 20th, when I started eating Low Carb... Will what I am doing work for anyone else? I honestly cannot answer that question... we are all unique... and our bodies, though there are similarities, are also different... I am working on finding what works for me... and if it works for some one else.... :yay: .... I am glad to have helped out in my sharing what I am doing... the tape measure will be what tells the story... and should things not work out the way that I anticipate... then it is tweaking time again~ until I figure out what works the best for me~ gadz I have turned this reply into a mini-novelette! :lol: Hope my reply helps ya out though~ Ciao for now~ :wave: p.s. Julie, you might try the library and have them do a book search for you, they can sometimes get books from other libraries on a loan, where you can read the whole thing :thup:

[nicoleb]

thanks for your reply...it was very nice of you to share your story:) ...it day1 for me for stillmans today....im ok so far..uh,is vinegar ok to use when cooking??..i jsut want to do this plan to the "t" like you

im plannin to do stillmans for a week and then back to atkins induction(high fat high protein) ...but id probably alternate them.. hope im not messin myself up with this scenario.... :q:
ive read that eating excess protein would convert them to glucose...thats why ppl need to add fat to stop this....im rly confused..how on earth am i suppose to eat all lean protein that i want and need when theres this fear hanging that i might convert them to glucose if done overboard? :confused:

[suze_c]

Hi Nicole~ I don't see anywhere where there would be a problem with using vinegar, as long as it isn't balsamic vinegar whcih has some sugar content in. I think the main thing in both Atkins and Stillmans is going to be keeping the Carbs low... in Stillmans there is not even an allowance for carbs, while under induction Atkins gives you at least 20 gms. I can't tell you how this is going to work for you, as individuals will vary in response to diets and dietary restrictions. In the copy of DANDR, there is not any limit on cheese, with only restrictions on the carb content thereof, understandably so... but looking at Atkins website, there is a 3-4 oz. restriction on cheese per day. Also cottage cheese which IS permitted on Stillmans, is NOT permitted on Atkins induction.Acceptable Induction Foods(click here) (http://atkinscenter.com/Archive/2001/12/15-464579.html) I think the thing is Nicole, finding something that works for you...Here is some information I found you might find interesting,Making Glucose Without Carbohydrate (Click here) (http://www.powerhousegym.com/discuss.asp?show=347&thetype=3) Glucose is so critical to your survival that your body has developed the capacity to turn non-carbohydrate substances into glucose in times of need (e.g., while on a low-carbohydrate diet, or following exercise). These substances include amino acids (the building blocks of protein; e.g., glutamine and alanine), glycerol (a building block of fat), and lactate (the stuff your muscles make during intense exercise). This process of making 'new' glucose from non-carbohydrate substances is called gluconeogenesis. For most of our evolutionary history as a species, food -much less carbohydrate-- was available only inconsistently. Thus, gluconeogenesis helps to preserve the 'glucose economy' (the body's supply of glucose) when the availability of carbohydrate in the diet is limited. Yet even today, when food is consistently available and your body is typically in a well-fed state, gluconeogenesis persists. It's as if your body is never quite convinced that the fast has come to an end and its glucose economy is out of harm's way. and the following is basically an advertisement for their meal bars, but tells a little bit about glucogen and gluconeogenesis, and is why I included it here: the more protein that ends up being converted into glucose, the less protein you'll have available for building lean muscle with. Weight-training and other high-intensity forms of exercise tend to burn more glucose -glucose in the blood ('blood sugar') and glucose stored as glycogen in your liver and muscle. To replenish your glucose economy after exercise, therefore, you must consume carbohydrate. As noted, consuming protein can certainly assist in this regard (via gluconeogenesis) but this is an expensive way of giving the body glucose. Far better is to supply both carbohydrate and protein in your meal, allowing the carbohydrate to provide glucose directly, and the protein to be used to build new muscle with. Promax Bar is especially rich in the amino acid glutamine, a key source of glucose via gluconeogenesis. A significant fraction of the glutamine that serves as a substrate for gluconeogenesis originates via its release from muscle proteins (Nurjhan et al., 1995). As indicated earlier, when your body is supplied with carbohydrate, it burns it in preference to protein and fat. Thus, when eating carbohydrate alongside fat, the fat has a greater chance of being stored as fat on your body. If you are doing a lot of body building,and the such, I would not limit carbs to near zero, as on the Stillmans diet... and as the text says carbs and fat eaten together increase the likelihood of it being stored as fat on the body... therefore I would think that eating high protein/high fat or high protein/lean fat, both without carbs, or either low carbs would accelerate the body's fat burning processes.... THIS IS MY OPINION... so take it as that, and I will continue to look for more info and post it here when I have found some more info for you Nicole~ hope this helps you out some tho~ :read2:

[nicoleb]

wow!thanks,im impressed *handsdown*...ryt now its day2 for stillmans for me...hmmm..the article you gave made things clearer for me ryt now...btw,im exericsin too about 2-3 hrs almost everyday..so i guess its ok to kinda consume more protein :D ....still thinkin for nice questions to ask..if u dont mind :cool:

[nicoleb]

i went back again with regards to the rules in stillman and i saw the word "lean fish".....and that made me wonder coz the fish im eatin ryt now is not haddock nor cod --its what we call milk fish here or in local terminology "bangus"...and now im kinda creeped up coz it myt not be a lean fish....oh gawwwdddd...hope not :(

[nicoleb]

i entered milkfish in fitday and it gave me this:
Nutrition Facts

Amount Per 3 oz
Calories 161.5
Calories from Fat 66.02

Total Fat 7.34g 11%

Saturated Fat 0g 0%

Polyunsaturated Fat 0g

Monounsaturated Fat 0g

Cholesterol 56.95mg 19%

Sodium 78.2mg 3%

Potassium 317.9mg 9%

Total Carbohydrate 0g 0%

Dietary Fiber 0g 0%

Protein 22.37g 45%

--uh is this ok??
today as of 530pm i ate 3 hardboiled medium eggs and about 6oz.milkfish cooked iwth vinegar....when i entered it in fitday it seems that my percentage intake was:
Calories Eaten Today
source grams cals %total
Total: 454
Fat: 23 211 48%
Sat: 3 24 6%
Poly: 1 11 2%
Mono: 3 30 7%
Carbs: 1 4 1%
Fiber: 0 0 0%
Protein: 56 223 51%
Alcohol: 0 0 0%
---and i dont think thats lowfat eatin either...is it hte eggs??i thought its ok to eat eggs as a whole???

[suze_c]

Nicole~ I told you there was no limit on eggs.... they are ok... and as far as your % levels... trust me... they are still lower than what a person on Atkins is doing~! When I was younger and done this diet, there was no such thing as internet in most every house.,.. and I certainly didn't write everything down and tally it... I ate these wafered meats in a plastic pouch that you got at the store... lotsa eggs, and hamburgers and even regular lunch meats... I was not rich, and steak was a rarity in my diet... But it was still leaner than the usual fare.... just make sure you are getting your water... don't get so caught up on the %s... it is hard to do a lowfat diet when you are eating so much meats... I know...I have been entering my foods into fitday since this past Monday, and even tho my levels are higher than what I would like to see.,.. they are still lower than if I was doing Atkins and eating all the cream cheese,and sour cream, and stuff like that... answer your question??

[nicoleb]

okay thanks...my heart was totally palpitatin with excitement in seeing ur post coz im soo scared you might say i did it wrong and i might as well start all over again :D

...whew, the fish was okay..thanks goodness...thanks for enlightening me..i was jsut soo caught up that it had to be almost nada fat.....
i tried searchin in the web for stillmans diet..but eventually theres none that gives much info aside from what i get in this site..and based from what uve posted b4 the book's been gone for ages...if u do can find any other sources whihc i can refer to rgdg stillmans(aside from me bugging you everyday :p )...pls do tell..thanks a bunch.....(uh-oh my carb cravings are trigerring again...its the TOM...this is gonna be harder than i thought :o

[Lolabug]

thanks Suze_C for all of the work you've done on this.

I actually think that is doable!

When I did a search, I found a post about cooking for the stillman diet. In that post, I found an idea for pureeing silken tofu to make a "creamy" sauce. I am assuming that tofu is okay since it is a complete protein. The post also had some ideas for sweetening the pureeed tofu.

Ever since I've have my gallstone attack, I've been afraid to eat meat. I'm coming around now. Especially since after two weeks of eating low fat high carb foods, my face has broken out, my forehead is a dry as the sahara, I have a lot of gas, and I'm constipated!!! I know that the fat helped most of those symptoms when I was on atkins, but tom is coming and it will be doozy this month.

I'm going to start planning for this. Next weekend I'll start. Now to clear out my cupboards again.

thanks again Suze_c.

Alena.

[suze_c]

thanks Alena for the compliment~ why don't you post the link here for cooking on Stillmans, so others can see it? I don't see where tofu would be a problem, and it certainly adds a little variety to this w/o/e~ I am trying to do a mixture of Atkins and Stillmans, and let me tell you, it is hard to do a low fat diet with all the meats and cheeses~!! The thing is, like I mentioned before, I had no way of gauging my fat intake or % when I done it before... nor did I even consider it~!! All I knew was I could have meats,cheeses, eggs and cottage cheese (this was before I knew Stillman added the diet-jello on it), and I ate liberally of those foods! With keeping track of my %'s on fitday now, I don't necessarily like the fat %, but I know it would be even higher if I done straight Atkins induction foods!! I am keeping track of everything, and will tweak if and where necessary... the most important thing for me though, is getting rid of those cravings... and getting away from all the carbage... not so much the fruits and veggies... I am talking about the overly processed flour, sugar stuff more than anything... those man made things! And I have decided that it is not gonna be about how fast I can lose it... it is going to be about losing it, and keeping it off... And Alena, it's been almost 20 yrs. since I had my gallbladder taken out, and if I remember right... there were some meats for me that were worse than others... and I think pork products sent my whole digestive system into a tizzy~

[Lolabug]

Okay, here's my attempt at posting

http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15937&highlight=silken+tofu

hope this works.

Alena.

[suze_c]

Hey... it worked... now if I could just get my fingers to type without typoes :lol: Thankies for posting that... there are some great substitutes that fit into my LC w/o/e... even as weird as it may be heheh.

[GLHB~Rinoa]

Hi Suzie, I too also want to thank you for all your hard work making this thread. I did Stillmans over 20 years ago. I was looking for the book and is hard to find because of it not in circulation anymore. Before I even joined this site. I requested that they add the Stillmans diet to one of there Threads. To be able to share with ones what it all initialed. I had lost the book many years ago, I had forgotten some of the rules. I liked the diet as a short term goal. Used it whenever I would gain some pounds back. I remember when I would go on it I felt renewed and energetic. But I had to make sure I took my vitamins. Once again Thanks.
Dru

[GLHB~Rinoa]

Hi Suzie, I too also want to thank you for all your hard work making this thread. I did Stillmans over 20 years ago. I was looking for the book and is hard to find because of it not in circulation anymore. Before I even joined this site. I requested that they add the Stillmans diet to one of there Threads. To be able to share with ones what it all initialed. I had lost the book many years ago, I had forgotten some of the rules. I liked the diet as a short term goal. Used it whenever I would gain some pounds back. I remember when I would go on it I felt renewed and energetic. But I had to make sure I took my vitamins. Once again Thanks.
Dru

[GLHB~Rinoa]

Hi Suzie, I too also want to thank you for all your hard work making this thread. I did Stillmans over 20 years ago. I was looking for the book and is hard to find because of it not in circulation anymore. Before I even joined this site. I requested that they add the Stillmans diet to one of there Threads. To be able to share with ones what it all initialed. I had lost the book many years ago, I had forgotten some of the rules. I liked the diet as a short term goal. Used it whenever I would gain some pounds back. I remember when I would go on it I felt renewed and energetic. But I had to make sure I took my vitamins. Once again Thanks.
Dru

[GLHB~Rinoa]

whoops! Sorry It kept saying to reload. And well this is what happened. I am a little repetitious aren't I!

[suze_c]

No problem with the repeating~ good words are worth hearing more than once :spin: I am going to go through some boxes that are up in storage, hopefully in the not too distant future, and I do have some extras of Stillmans... The one that I started with is tattered and taped, and retaped, and I liked the diet... so whenever I seen them at garage sales... I snagged them :lol: WHen I find 'em... if anyone's interested... I would send it... book rate of course hehehe... and first come.... first serve... I think I have about 4 or 5 of 'em... hey... I suffer from packratitus... what can I say? :daze: When I find 'em I will post it on this thread~ "thup:
p.s. actually when I seen all the emails about posts on this thread, I thought dang... Stillmans is getting popular :lol:

[nicoleb]

im in my 4th day now and im getting intense cravings for oatmeal cookies!!ive jsut gotta have it....oh no....what will i do nw that i feel like giving in(its my TOM thats why my cravings are so erratic!!) :mad:


--is tofu(soft one) alowed???

[Lolabug]

I didn't see it on the list, however, since the book was written about 1975?, I myself actually made a progression into the future. since tofu was barely on the radar screen in North america at that time, I would say that eventually, stillman would allow it. It is a complete protein, low in fat.

The same for diet soft drinks. 1975 was a different time for diet drinks. today we have different sweeteners. so, while Stillman ways they are okay, I would actually say that eventually, he would have said only in strict moderation.

Of course, that's just my take on things. You have to make that decision for yourself.

Alena.

[suze_c]

Nicole, perhaps heeding Dr. Atkins advice and adding L-Glutamine to your daily supplements would help with the cravings. Are you taking a multi-vitamin?If you have sugar cravings, you should also take 500 mg of L-glutamine (one or two tablets) prior to each meal. L-glutamine has been shown to curb alcohol addiction as well. If you previously ate lots of carbohydrates, this will help to ease the transition to controlled carbohydrate eating. Atkins® Dieters' Advantage contains L-glutamine along with chromium and other natural ingredients that help stabilize blood sugar and control appetite. Alena, I said in a prior post, that even though Stillman allows diet soda, that I personally would heed Dr.Atkins advice regarding aspartame & watch consumption thereof.Spring, mineral or filtered tap water and herb teas are your best fluid options. If you must have soda, avoid caffeinated colas and look for brands, such as Diet Rite, sweetened with sucralose....clinical observations indicate aspartame may slow down weight loss in certain individuals Also I include the following re: sugar substitutes, although some may already know this information, I include it for those who do not: Sucralose is approximately 600 times sweeter than sugar. Unlike aspartame, it is inert in the body’s digestive system, quickly passing through without accumulating in tissues. In addition, it does not lose its sweetness when heated, so it can be used in cooking and baking. If Splenda is not available, saccharin is the next best thing. The FDA recently removed saccharin from its list of carcinogens, basing its decision upon a thorough review of the medical literature and the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences’ statement that “there is no clear association between saccharin and human cancer.” It can be safely consumed in moderate amounts--no more than three packets a day. Sugar poses a greater threat to good health than saccharin does. Saccharin is marketed as Sweet ’n Low®.Acesulfame potassium, also known as acesulfame K, another non-caloric sweetener, is approximately 200 times sweeter than sugar. Because it cannot be metabolized, it passes through the body without elevating blood sugar. The FDA has authorized the use of acesulfame K after evaluating numerous studies and determining its safety. It is sold under the brand name SunettTMWe do not recommend the use of aspartame--sold under the brand names of Equal® and NutraSweet®. Also, during Induction, avoid natural sweeteners such as fructose, lactose or maltose.Tip: Sugar substitutes have a synergistic sweetness. Mixing together tiny amounts of each mimics the sweetness of sugar better than a larger amount of any single one

[GLHB~Rinoa]

Hi suze! Thank you for all that info!

[nicoleb]

thanks suze_c ill keep that in mind....ryt now i rly think i need those l-glutamine stuffs....im ryt off to the health stores :wave:

[KTiki]

I did this diet for the first time back in 1975. I lost 36 pounds in six weeks. I remember that Dr. Stillman stressed that you should not do the QWL for more than 6 weeks at a time (think it was 6) then to do one of the all veggies or all fruit and then come back to QWL. I had lost all I wanted to at the time. I didn't gain any of it back untill I was pregnate in 1981. I remember the book I had contained a forward by Atkins. And I still remember what is allowed and not allowed.......I ate tons of cottage cheese and tuna....can't stand them now. :) Also, lots of boiled eggs. I was never able to stay on the plan for over a week again. I think because it was so restricted.

[suze_c]

Kteaki, I don't know what version you had, but the one I have says nothing of the sort. I have it, I read it many times over, and I don't see where you are getting the information you say you are. Stillman DOES give other reducing diets for VARIETY, but no where does he say that his QWL diet should only be used for 6 weeks, and there's also no forward by anyone in this book, except for examples of people losing on his diet, and info about Dr. Stillman.There are example after examples of his patients being on the QWL diet for weeks at a time, definitely NOT stopping at 6 weeks!!! He talks of patients being on his diet for months at a time... not switching to an all fruit or an all vegetable one either. Dr. Stillman includes the other plans, so IF a person chooses to, they may use another one of the diets, but he insists that his QWL diet, is the BEST one to use for losing weight. Atkins had not even written anything when Stillman first published his diet.The one I have shows the copyright as being 1967, and my version was from 1973.

[nicoleb]

uh,question suze_c....dont u get lethargc or weak when u do te stillmans coz of it being low fat and all?esp.when oure exercisin..i dunno if its just me but the fist four days i felt like i was draggin myself to the gym...is it rly that way or is it jst weird 'ol me? :p

[KTiki]

suze_c, I did buy this book and did the diet in 1975. I was 19, weighed 190 pounds..I bought a box of Aids (the carmel like stuff you had to have with a cup of something hot before meals) and Stillman's book on the same day. Started reading the book and gave the Aids to my little sisters to eat like candy. I don't know the printing date, but it was in 1975 that I purchased it. There was a forward by Dr. Atkins, this was the first time I ever heard of him, that's why I remember. I often refered to it as the Stillman/Atkins Quick Weight Loss Diet when someone asked me how I was loosing the weight. Maybe you should check the later versions of the book. Also, he did say that you should not stay on the QWL past so many weeks....I believe it was 6 and that you should return to it to loose additional weight.

I don't want to argue with anyone. It's just that I refered back to this diet for about 20 years, trying to attain the type of weight loss I experienced the first time.

[suze_c]

Stillman advocate his quick weight loss diet as something that you can use for months at a time, if you can only use it for 6 weeks? I do have a later book of his, called the DOCTOR"S QUICK INCHES OFF DIET, another one that he and Baker wrote together, and no where on that does he warn that his QWL diet should only be used for 6 wks, and even his *revised QUICK WEIGHT LOSS DIET is in this one as well,.... I see here though in his inches off diet, Go on the Inches off diet for 6 weeks.... You MUST stay on the diet for six weeks. With this type of dieting,you won't see the extra inches begin to vanish until you have been on the diet for a week or more" He speaks of clients who have been on the qwl diet who have dropped 100 pounds or more in 3 months on THE QWL DIET. I have looked and looked and relooked about a 6 week limit to the basic quick weight loss diet, and there is simply, NO SUCH LIMITATION! The ONLY reference that I see in regards to 6 wks., is that which I refererred to earlier in regards to the Inches Off diet, which is entirely different than the QWL diet. The Inches Off diet, was written in the time frame you speak of... and I am not arguing about this,... I don't feel I have to argue when I have BOTH BOOKS here at home, and can refer to them.

[KTiki]

I've never read the Inches Off book. It wasn't a limit of six weeks total, it was a limit of six weeks (may be off by how many weeks), then a break, then back to QWL. I have been searching the web for two hours trying to find some more info. When I do so, I will write again.

[suze_c]

I HAVE the books... RIGHT HERE.... I KNOW what they say... and you are not going to find it on the web... there is not much info about Stillman's Quick Weight Loss Diet on the web... except for the basic diet. Stillmans original Quick Weight Loss Diet is out of print, although I do have more copies of it, that are at this time, packed in boxes in our storage.

It DOES NOT MAKE SENSE.... why would he give examples of ppl that have been on his QWL DIET AND ONLY his QWL diet, for month after months, if it was something he did not advise? There is a whole chapter based on sharing his patients' weight loss, and EVERY example that has a time frame of being on the QWL diet, is OVER 6 weeks!There is also a chapter dedicated to those who have sent letters to Dr. Stillman in his Quick Inches-Off diet book, in regards to the QWL diet, and they were ALSO on the diet for over 6 wks. Every one! Dr. Stillman himself, advises ppl to stay on the QWL diet, until within 5-15 excess pounds within your goal, then switch to Stay Slim eating plan.

This is what is in the forward page of the book that I have:
From the Doctor's Casebook: Mrs. F.G. weighed 194 lbs. and was only 5'1". She had tried to reduce 14 different times without success. The Doctor's Quick Weight Loss Diet helped her lose 10 lbs. the first week. Within a year she was at 105 lbs, which she has maintained. Mr. D.E., at age 32, was at 243 lbs. instead of 153-170, the ideal weight, and he suffered from high blood pressure. The diet put him down to 183 lbs. in 14 weeks.He'll stabililize at about 165 lbs. His blood pressure has dropped and he feels like a new man. Mrs. E.F. weighed 155 lbs. instead of her ideal weight of under 110 lbs for her 5'2". In two months on the Doctor's Quick Weight Loss diet, she was down to 115 lbs. You can think what you want... I am not relying on the web to write things about this diet, I am not asking other ppl who have done it how to do it... ALL of my material was taken DIRECTLY from books written by Stillman HIMSELF!Since you have such a hard time believing me about this, I believe it is Doreen, who is forum founder, who also has this book, and perhaps you will believe her... since it is obvious that you do not believe me even with all the proof I have given. :(

[Karen]

since it is obvious that you do not believe me even with all the proof I have given.

Perhaps KTeaki is trying to refresh her own memory by searching for what she believes to have read.

It may have nothing to do with believing you are not. Some people like to satisfy their own curiosity by doing their own research to either confirm or disprove.

I have three of Stillman's books. Perhaps there are even more.

Karen

[nicoleb]

arent there any stillman books around anymore??(im from the philippines btw so theres less chance id find one here :p ..i rly want to get one and read it coz it seems pretty much helpful for me.....uh anyone??..pls?? :confused:

[BeccaResRN]

Thank You for posting all the great info on this WOE. I must honestly say that I was not quite sure what the Stillman plan was before reading your post which was great and filled with all the rules.
It was nice, next best to having the book right in front of me. Maybe better because it was all here together in one post.

I may try this at some point.

Thank You again :wave:

[barefoot1]

Here's a funny question from left field:


I mentioned to my mom the other day that I've been low carbing for a few months now. She mentioned the fact that although it's back in vogue now - low carbing was the only way she and her friends lost weight in the late 1960s- early 1970s.

I asked her the name of the low carb plan she followed back then.

She couldn't remember! the title of author - eek! except that the hardback cover copy was red and featured a photo of a woman in a 2 piece bathing suit - heavy before and slender after following a LC eating plan.


also she remembered that the plan involved primarily meat, certain cheeses and water.

If any of you have a copy of the Stillman book from that time period - does it have that kind of cover.

Mom and I are very curious to know if this was her plan!

Thanks! barefootgrrl

[Farm Gal]

Hi,
Don't know if you searched or not but I found my book used on line. I went to google and did a seach and found a used bookstore I paid $2.00 for mine. In pretty good shape yellowed but very usable.
Hope that helps!

[eva123]

Ok... now, I know this dates a while ago but is anyone still around...?

Many thanks Suze_c for your efforts in describing the Stillman's way. :thup:


I read the whole thread twice!! Just printed it this morning too. My question to someone…anyone….
<b>FATS</b>
When I started Low Carb (still newbie I would say since it was in January this year), I understood that to burn fat you need to intake more fat, so that it forces your body to do just that. At the time I thought that it would be easier to let the body look for the fat (god knows there are enough places it could find it from), without having to add fatty foods.. but reading Atkins and the rest, <b>my</b> understanding was that Fatty stuff was needed in order to avoid going into "starvation" mode and prevent hunger. I do not mind going hungry and not eating, I do not think I will need to do it for very long since I only have a few pounds to lose
<b>The question</b> (yes, at last!): <font color=red>With Stillman, eat no fat at all (except from what you find in eggs, cheeses…) but then, how to avoid starvation mode?..</font> This is it. the confusion...
<b>An idea</b>: if I decide to only eat chicken breast and beef, eggs, cheese (cheddar..not sure if this is allowed? cheese by def. is fatty so i guess we need to find the best), and water for two weeks, is this a Stillman WOE?.. I then would want to revert back to Atkins which is less restrictive, maybe even try the CAD. In <b>my</b> view, these are best for Maintenance. With Atkins, I have realised that I do not gain any weight (nor lose any for that matter, that is why I wish to try a new approach).

Thanks thanks thanks!!! (will still going to continue searching the web under any combination to find more on Stillman..even a used copy of the book perhaps.....)

[eva123]

oops. just realised by reading my printed copy that there are two pages of threads.. will find for an answer there maybe....

[Sharegates]

I just found copies on amazon.com if you are interested. I did this in 1970, when I was 19 years old and had a baby nearly one year old, whoc is now 33!

I got down to 119 pounds. Now I weigh about 100 pounds more than that and am 53. I could never sustain that sort of program. I, like a previous post, could never go back on it for more than a week or two.

I am going to try The Fat Flush program starting next week. I think that is low carb, too, we'll see.

:cool: Sharon from Florida

[athomas]

I've been losing a pound a day and I'm very happy; taking extra vitamins and just started exercising today 13lbs in 13 days I'm excited

[vbrowne]

I've been debating about Stillman's for a while now, but see from the thread that combining Stillman's and Atkins works too, which I think would be easier for me. I have a couple of questions though, should I stick to high fat "white" cheese like Atkins, or now switch to skim cheese -- what about orange juice and toast? Or, would sticking with Atkins and lowering calories work the same? Thanks

[Meg_S]

Hi there, I'm interested in the fat question as posted earlier in this thread by Eva - isn't eating more fat better for burning fat?

Anyone?

Quote:
"When I started Low Carb (still newbie I would say since it was in January this year), I understood that to burn fat you need to intake more fat, so that it forces your body to do just that. At the time I thought that it would be easier to let the body look for the fat (god knows there are enough places it could find it from), without having to add fatty foods.. but reading Atkins and the rest, my understanding was that Fatty stuff was needed in order to avoid going into "starvation" mode and prevent hunger. I do not mind going hungry and not eating, I do not think I will need to do it for very long since I only have a few pounds to lose
The question (yes, at last!): With Stillman, eat no fat at all (except from what you find in eggs, cheeses…) but then, how to avoid starvation mode?.. This is it. the confusion...
An idea: if I decide to only eat chicken breast and beef, eggs, cheese (cheddar..not sure if this is allowed? cheese by def. is fatty so i guess we need to find the best), and water for two weeks, is this a Stillman WOE?.."

[fine]

HI Suze C
Well done for all your information - you certainly are very clued up on the diet so I have a few questions if you don't mind....
I have been on Atkins now for 17 months and I have just started the Stillmans today and read and re-read your thread but couldn't work out what sf gelatin is... is it sf jelly?
I think it may be. (the lovely stuff you'd normally have with cream drizzled on?)
As recommended by Stillmans about a multi-vit, I can't take a multi-vit at the moment for the ones that I have checked on the labels have vit A in and I can't have vit A right now (doc's orders cos on some medication) - is there a way round this do you think? :(
I have posted in my journal what I have eaten today so I was wondering whether you could take a peek and let me know if ok
I shall probably have the same again tomorrow
Thanks Suze C in advance...
Fi
:wave:

[BD231]

Where do you get cottage cheeze made with skim milk? And more importantly, how much fat is in skim milk cottage cheeze? How much of it can you eat?

How many calories are you getting in each day?

[CurvyGurl]

Hello,

I am new to this forum and doing Stillman. I have done it twice in the past and it has been very successful. The first time I did it, I did it from May 14 to Jun 1. I went from 205 to 188 and from a size 18 to a size 12-14, thinnest I had been in a long, long time ! I was working out at least 5 days a week for at least a half hour, just doing a half hour Firm Fat Burning workout.

The idea on Stillman is that if you greatly reduce the variety of foods that can be eaten, weight loss is easier. My problem on Atkins was that a) the fat was way too high for me and b) I just had too much to choose from.

While Stillman is not made for long term loss, it can be cycled with Atkins for greater benefit. I know many people who are also getting great results by adding a small salad at lunch and dinner... ie a spinach salad with chicken and a low fat sugar free dressing or cottage cheese. Gives you more to 'chew' if youre used to eating more food. I find Stillman easy and not very expensive -- I'm hooked !

[doit]

Hi.. I'm new here, but not new to low carb, or to Stillman either. I come from a different low carb place and I was looking for more to read on Stillman when I found this place. I like the look of things here so I thought I'd join. I have a question about repitition diets I guess it's from the inches off diet book.
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Stillmans Repetition diets
Dr Stillman also incudes in his book’s a selection of 'repetition diets' these plans are suitable for daily use inbetween Stillmans days, they give some variety to the sometimes harsh stillmans basic woe.
Taken from Dr. Stillman's Inches off diet book

the diets that seemed to have worked best for people following them are .. the egg diet..yoghurt diet..chicken and veg diet..melon and cottagecheese diet..meat only diet

REPETITION DIETS:

**Always have your recommended 64 oz. +8oz. water for every 25lbs you want to lose, and vitamins-you can add diet drinks, and decaf tea or coffee if desired**

***Purpose of these diets is that certain people can lose weight easier if they're only limited to one or 2 foods a day. These are very low calorie ranging from 180-420 calories a day. He says that on the repetition diets you can lose from 7-14 lbs. in a week.

You can switch back and forth from the repetition diets to the basic QWL diet.

You can mix and match variety diets that week or just stick to one.....

MEAT ONLY DIET:

This diet is limited to a half a pound of any meat wanted, 3 times a day, along with plenty of water and othe non-caloric drinks. For lots of those who like meat very much, this has proved an effective quick reducing diet. On this diet eat only lean meats, only when hungry and only enough to take away the hunger. You'll lose great amounts of fat quickly, safely and surely. **This is a repetition diet-choose only one sort of meat to eat a day.

YOGURT ONLY DIET:

For this diet take 120 calories of yogurt (I would choose no fat-or- lowest in fat...seems to be lowest in carbs) 5 to 6 times a day (total of 600 to 720 calories). You may vary flavors as much as you please, keeping the total calories under 900 daily. If you become constitipated take milk of magnesia to help.

SKIM MILK DIET:

(225 calories) 1 glass of skim milk 3 times a day

BUTTERMILK DIET:

(300 calories) 1 glass of buttermilk 4 times a day

COTTAGE CHEESE DIET:

(180 calories) 4 Tbsp. cottage cheese per portion 3 times a day

MELON-COTTAGE CHEESE DIET:

(240 calories) 1/2 melon w/ 2 Tbsp. cottage cheese 3 times a day

BANANA DIET:

(270 calories) 1 banana 3 times a day

MEAT-VEGGIE DIET:

(410 calories) 1 hamburger lean 3oz. well broiled, twice a day. 1/2 cup green veggie with each hamburger. *NOTE: you can also have steak(lean) known as the Steak-veggie diet

CHICKEN-VEGGIE DIET:

1 chicken leg or breast w/o skin-twice daily. 1/2 cup green veggie with each serving of meat.

FISH-TOMATO DIET:

Fish (moderate, 4oz.), baked or broiled-twice a day 2 medium sized tomatoes 1 with each fish meal

EGG DIET:

(225 calories) 1 egg-3 times a day.

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Is this really from that book? I did find a copy in a old bookstore and I plan on getting it as soon as I get paid this Wed.

Thank you for any help you can give me in this matter.

[doit]

BD231... skim milk cottage chees is non-fat or fat free cottage cheese and you can or at least should be able to get it anywhere and it has no fat what so ever.. hence the name non-fat or fat free. I don't know how often anyone comes in here, but I hope to get a response to my other post soon.

[doit]

doesn't anyone ever come in here and post?

[Rosebud]

doesn't anyone ever come in here and post?
Hi there Doit, welcome! :wave:

First of all, not many folk here do Stillman's, but even so, you will be more likely to get a response if you post in the General Low Carb forum.
Also, how about posting in Introduce Yourself, so we can learn a bit more about you?

Cheers,

Rosebud:rose:

[doreen T]

Hi.. I'm new here, but not new to low carb, or to Stillman either. I come from a different low carb place and I was looking for more to read on Stillman when I found this place. I like the look of things here so I thought I'd join. I have a question about repitition diets I guess it's from the inches off diet book.
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Stillmans Repetition diets
Dr Stillman also incudes in his book’s a selection of 'repetition diets' these plans are suitable for daily use inbetween Stillmans days, they give some variety to the sometimes harsh stillmans basic woe.
Taken from Dr. Stillman's Inches off diet book

the diets that seemed to have worked best for people following them are .. the egg diet..yoghurt diet..chicken and veg diet..melon and cottagecheese diet..meat only diet

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Is this really from that book? I did find a copy in a old bookstore and I plan on getting it as soon as I get paid this Wed.

Thank you for any help you can give me in this matter.
I'll take a stab at it ;)

I don't have the "Quick Inches Off" book, but I do have the "Quick Weight Loss" book and the QWL cookbook, which includes a synopsis of the Inches Off diet and a few menus and recipes.

The Quick Weight Loss (QWL) diet is the one most lowcarbers are familiar with as "the Stillman diet" ... It's a high protein, low calorie, low fat, very-low carb diet, that consists basically of lean meat, fish, fowl, eggs, low fat dry cottage cheese, a few fat-free condiments, diet drinks, clear coffee, tea and water. That's it. In the cookbook it's stated that cottage cheese may be the regular creamed type, as long as it's low fat; hard cheeses made from skim milk are allowed, as well as artificially sweetened fat-free gelatin desserts. As you can see, it's a "low fat" not "no fat" diet, as long as you eat a variety of lean meats, fish such as salmon and whole eggs with the yolk.

The Quick Inches Off (I-O) diet is the polar opposite ... it's a low protein, low fat, high carb but very-low calorie diet based on vegetables, fruits, small portions of bread, rice, pasta or cereal, plus similar condiments and beverages as for QWL. However you are allowed tiny amounts of added fat, such as a light smear of butter on the bread, or a dash of cream in the coffee. But not milk, as it's higher in protein. And no beans, nuts or soy .. they're too high in both protein and fat.

To answer your question about the repetition diets ... Yes, Stillman loved the very low calorie fad diets and promoted them also in the QWL book. He offers them as a controlled way to give in to cravings .. sort of like legal "cheat" days. He figured if it meant a person would stick to their low-calorie diet, great. Anything to lose weight!

The thing is, Stillman's books were published in the late 60's ... long before nutrition science had uncovered the essential roles of fat, metabolism, and Insulin Resistance. In his day, the calorie was all that mattered, and the less you ate of them the better! For both the QWL and I-O diets, the forever maintenance plan after you'd reached your goal weight was low calorie and low fat. Stillman's goal was simply to get the weight off as quickly as possible, no matter what. His view was that being fat was the worst possible thing for your health, and you must get the weight off by whatever means .. including periods of semi-starvation, lettuce-only, 300-calories a day etc etc.

Nearly 40 years later we know that longterm low protein diets will lead to lean muscle loss among other problems, and longterm very-low calorie diets can permanently damage the metabolism. Not to mention the chronic illnesses from deficiency of essential fatty acids (EFA's).

The QWL high protein diet may be an effective short term "stall buster" if you can handle the monotony of lean protein only .. and take pains to eat enough calories to preserve your metabolism. Some folks have found it helpful to take a fiber supplement while doing this, and definitely a multivitamin-mineral supplement is mandatory.

I can't imagine the Inches Off diet would be sustainable for very long, as it's so very low in protein and calories.

Good luck with whatever you choose. :rose:


Doreen

[doit]

Rosebud, thanks and I did think about introducing myself and I will later today after work.

Doreen, Thanks... I just plan on doing Stillman till I get in the lower 180's then I'll work my way back to Atkins slowly (can't seem to lose doing Atkins but I can doing the fat fast) then probably switch back and forth from Atkins to Stillman till I get to goal. Thank you for the help.

Thanks to you both!

[doreen T]

I did a little more reading in Stillman's QWL book. Regarding the "repetition" diets (he calls them Bizarre Diets in this book) .. in the same paragraph where he claims that "thousands" of patients followed these mono-diets for weeks and months at a time without ill effect ( :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: ) he also recommends eating a little candy or drinking sweetened juice to counteract the dizziness and lightheadedness :daze: and consult your doctor if those symptoms persist.

Call me cynical if you will ;) but IMO, Stillman really seems to glorify extreme appetite suppression and anorexia. There are references to fat and fat people as gluttonous, repulsive, shameful. Being thin and eating as little as possible is good, desirable, admirable. In fact, he blatantly promotes anorexia as one of the main goals of his diets, especially the bizarre monodiets and repeititious regimens which are well-known for their appetite-suppressing effects. Eating as few calories as possible is a noble desire.

At one point he states, "I've seen some of the worst gluttons go on (bizarre diet) and stick with it". In other words, if you're fat it's because you're an out-of-control gluttonous pig .. and it's amazing if you can actually stick with a diet.

Hmmm ...

Doreen

[Nikas613]

hi there i've done stillmans for a few periods this year and i have recently bought the book on amazon. the diets mentioned in Diot post sound farmiliar; however, i have found that sticking with the normal qwl diet the best way to go. The other diets mentioned sound to low in calorie to be healthy (not that stillmans is the best way to go for health) but your able to eat more and get more calories eating the stillmans diet.

Another thing i have found with that diet is that he says you can eat cottage cheese, but regardless of it being skim milk or not I have found that it slows weight loss tremedously. the first week i did stillmans i tried to eat skim cottage cheese and i lost 5lbs in the first two days and then nothing for four; afterwards i cut the cottage cheese and began losing at a rate of about 1lb a day afterwards. Ketchup is another one of those stall products allowed in stillmans; it has alot of sugar and can slow loss. i would reccomend using low carb ketchup if you want to use it. The last thing some have a problem with is the sweetner; it says you may eat/drink things made with sweetner, but again it is one of those things that if you can obstain from it, the better your weightloss will be.

It's and extremly difficult diet to stick with, most people here use it to get through stalls expierenced on atkins. IF you plan on doing stillmans definatly take a vitamins. Do a search on the board for stillmans and buy the book from amazon if you really want to know about it more.

[doit]

I've been doing the regular Stillman diet since 9/20/04 and I weighed 212 pounds I screwed up on purpose and went off for Christmas and New Years. I was 187 before Christmas/New Years. This morning I was 191.2. I'm doing the yogurt repitition diet. I started it yesterday at 193.2 I doubt I'll do it for more than one more day cause it's costing a little more than I want to spend. I don't think I'll do the repitition diets again. I plan on doing Stillman a little while longer then working my way back to Atkins. ( As I said in the post before this one )

One thing I will never be is anorexic, I love food too much.

I thank you for your information on this subject. I was going to buy the book, but I don't think I'd like to read about fat people being pigs. I would probably throw the book in the trash.

I can say one thing about his diet though.. it works when Atkins wouldn't.

[doreen T]

I've followed the QWL Stillman diet a few times before, longest I lasted was 2 weeks :o I just have a problem with eating dry meat, ie no sauce .. and no veggies. One thing that helped was to use a little chicken or beef broth to mix with a Tbsp of lc ketchup or bbq sauce, or mustard .. that stretched it out so I had more sauce with no added fat or carbs.

I agree with Nikas613 about the cottage cheese causing a stall. Plus it tastes pretty blahh. I made creamy dips by puréeing hard-boiled eggs in a food processor with a little broth and cider vinegar or fresh lemon juice, plus seasonings like herbs, onion and/or garlic powder, dijon, horseradish. Great for dipping strips of cold chicken or cooked shrimp. Or spread on slices of lean roast beef or turkey breast and roll 'em up.

Good luck with your endeavour, and keep us posted how you're doing!! :thup:


Doreen

[doit]

I weighed in at 188.2 this morning. I'm pretty stoked, let me tell ya. I'm doing yogurt today. I do want some meat and eggs though, so I will probably have thsat tomorrow. But let me say that I can do this again it's pretty easy. I had 3 big bowls of yogurt yesterday and today I will too. It tastes really good and is nice and sweet. It's almost like I'm cheating. I am wondering if I could do regular Stillman for a few days then do yogurt for two day then back to Stillman again? I feel I could do this to lose the rest of the weight I have to lose. It's so much better than doing the fat fast. Which is the only other way I can seem to lose. I can maintain my weight doing Atkins, I know that. I'll keep ya posted. Thanks for all your help.

[KoKo]

Hi Doit,

I just noticed this thread and am interested in following your progress. Can you tell me please, what kind of yogurt you ate? Was it Fat Free with aspartame or some other no cal/carb sugar or was it a high fat yogurt?

[doit]

KoKo... I'm eating plain yogurt mixed with fruit (strawberries or peaches, both frozen) and splenda, not aspartame.

I took one cup of non fat plain yogurt and mixed it with about 1/2 cup of thawed out peaches with 4 packs of splenda... and ate that 3 times yesterday.

I lost 3 pounds since yesterday.

[doreen T]

hi again doit,

Just a suggestion :idea: .. This "Plans Comparison" section is more for discussing specifics of lowcarb plans, book reviews etc. For logging your progress, it might be better for you to keep a journal where folks can visit, offer support and encouragement and be a little more "personal" ;)

Click here (http://forum.lowcarber.org/forumdisplay.php?f=36) to go directly to the journal section (or from the main index page, scroll down to the Journal / Bootcamp section), click the "new thread" button at the top left, and away you go!

re - the yogourt fast ... do take care to not let your calories drop too low day after day. You might experience a gratifying weightloss at the beginning, but eventually your metabolism will clue in that it's being underfueled and will "turn the thermostat down" to conserve. In other words, you will stall. If you stall on 900 calories a day or less, then where do you go?? :(

:rose:

Doreen

[Nikas613]

Diot,
i was just wondering how long it took u to lose with stillmans, what you ate, and how much you lost?
not many do this diet around here, so its difficult to get a good perspective on what others do.
thanks!

[doit]

lean meat.. boiled eggs.. non fat cottage cheese...

I've been on .. off and on since 9/20/04 ... and I was 212.. I'm now 188

do you have the link on the Stillman diet?

[doreen T]

If anyone is interested, the details for Stillman's QWL diet, including sample menus, can be found in the very first post of this thread. Click here (http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=67337) to go there. :idea:


Doreen

[smilemile]

i have decided to go on stillmans for a little while, and so far its working out great i am not hungry and dont crave anything at all. I was wondering though, i bought very lean(about 97% fat free) lunch meats w/ very little carbs to replace the lean meat he calls for b/c i dont have time to cook meat and those make great roll ups with the fat free cheese slices that are allowed. is this okay? i just wanted to make sure. Thanks!

[KoKo]

Hi Maile

The cold cuts are not bad as long as it's not bologna or something with filler in it - only lean ham, or beef kind of things. It would be better to cook the meat yourself and slice it for later use, but sometimes you have to compromise and just find the best you can.

with the fat free cheese slices that are allowed.

BUT - I don't think fat free cheese slices are ok on Stillman. The fat free cheese I use has about 2-3 carbs per thin slice and that's too many for someone on a very restricted carb allowance. Unless of course you've managed to find a fat free cheese with zero carbs?? (have you!!! please DO tell if you have)


Good luck

[doreen T]

i have decided to go on stillmans for a little while, and so far its working out great i am not hungry and dont crave anything at all. I was wondering though, i bought very lean(about 97% fat free) lunch meats w/ very little carbs to replace the lean meat he calls for b/c i dont have time to cook meat and those make great roll ups with the fat free cheese slices that are allowed. is this okay? i just wanted to make sure. Thanks!
:agree: What KoKo said.

As long as it's real meat slices, like roast beef, turkey breast or ham, it should be fine. But not honey ham, of course ;)

As for cheese ... the only dairy products allowed are: dry curd cottage cheese, low fat cottage cheese (but limit portions of these because of the lactose carbs), and natural hard cheese made from skim milk (should be 7% fat or less). Imitation processed cheese is not allowed.

hth,

Doreen

[smilemile]

Thank you for the answers to my questions, i know i should cook the meat i just dont have the time lately, due to studying for school and work (which would be the reason i gained the weight in the first place) and the cheese i use is 2 carbs per slice but i only eat one or 2 slices a day at the absolute most. I thought that would be okay b/c it was made with skim milk and was fat free and even though it has 2 carbs i thought that would be fine considering that he recommends cottage cheese which the fat free kind has 8 carbs but i had 2 pieces today in ham and cheese roll ups and 2 hard boiled eggs and my carb count is only 6 so that is pretty low and i have no hunger whatsoever so i think it might be okay. I dont know the appetite suppresant aspect of this diet is amazing ill eat and like 5-6 hours later i will be like oh man i need to eat something to keep my metabolism up but i am not even hungry so for dinner all i may have is a boiled egg and some meat slices. which would bring me up to 7 carbs for the entire day, so im sure thats ok, but let me know if im wrong. i really would the book was in print it would make this alot easier.

Okay, :D in response to Doreen, man i just want to eat that cheese i love it so much! what does natural hard cheese mean? that was one of the things i was not sure about. So will eating this cheese mess up the whole diet because my calories are still way below 600 even with what i plan to eat for dinner and my carbs are very low? Thanks!

[doreen T]

.... considering that he recommends cottage cheese which the fat free kind has 8 carbs ...
When I did a stretch of QWL last fall, I bought low fat 2% cottage cheese .. then put it in a sieve and rinsed off the "cream" under the tap. That's where most of the carbs come from. :idea:

good luck to you :thup:


Doreen

[doreen T]

...what does natural hard cheese mean? that was one of the things i was not sure about. ...
Natural cheese means it's made naturally, like cheddar or swiss that you buy in blocks or pieces, and slice yourself. The ingredients are just milk, rennet and salt .. maybe colouring. A brand that's available in my region is "Alpine Lace", they make cheddar, swiss and mozzarella types. It's expensive though ... I used it sparingly, often just an ounce or two shredded on top of scrambled eggs (cooked in nonstick pan w. a little broth to keep from sticking).

What's with the 600 calories per day deal??? :eek: :nono: That is severely below starvation level ... you might be experiencing some weight loss now, temporarily, but I fear that will soon come to a halt as your metabolism shuts down to conserve itself during such a famine.

:there: EAT!!

Buy a whole roasted chicken from the deli .. just pull the skin off and enjoy .. there'll be at least a couple days' worth of leftovers, plus it's easy to eat with the fingers, just need a napkin. Boil up a whole dozen eggs to have handy. Plus you can have soup .. use plain canned broth, add your own chunks of meat or chicken, and it's ok to add a little parsley or chives for flavour.


Doreen

[smilemile]

Doreen,

i thought that maybe the processed cheese wasnt allowed due to the calories so thats why i thought it would be okay since my calories are so low. i just cant eat it seems like i am not hungry at all it was a war to eat my 4 ham and cheese roll ups for lunch at 1230 and that is after only having 2 hb eggs for b-fast at 730 i am just not hungry. i think i will see how the cheese affects my weight loss and if it is stalling me then i will cut it out. but i like your idea about the chicken from the deli. that is some of my favorite chicken and you are right it would last a couple of day. and if i understand what you are saying it is okay to use the chicken broth that comes in a can such as swansons, the low sodium kind of course but if so i have lots of that around my house and i would like to make that and add chicken to it. See what would i do without you guys i cant come up with this kind of stuff myself. and i am trying to up the calories some its just so hard when you arent hungry. Thanks again

[smilemile]

Also i had one other question, sorry for being a pest but its hard when you dont have a book for this. Can i use splenda such as in my coffee? i know i cannot have cream in there but i would like some splenda or could i even use sf torani's syrup since that has no carbs or calories? Thanks

[doreen T]

Artificial sweeteners are allowed, but it's preferable to use a zero-carb/calorie type. Water-based liquid or tablets are best. Powdered sweeteners like Splenda have carbs from the fluffy white fillers they use. You may also have diet soda or diet (sugar-free) jello, but just beware that sweet tastes can set off cravings. Plus you should never use a zero calorie artifical product as replacement for real food, only as accompaniment. :idea:


Doreen

[smilemile]

well i woke up today and lost 4 pounds needless to say i am very happy with this diet. i just need to add in more calories and eat more even though i really am not hungry. but it seems to be working.

[Caitlyn]

Hi
I am pretty much new here and looking for support on the stillmans diet. I have lost ovah 100 pounds and stalled on Atkins.

I have been doing Stillmans for a week but I think cottage cheese stalls me if I don't limit it........

Do any of you do stillmans with cottage cheese?

[Kipperbear]

How much weight did everyone lose on this diet in the first week? Just wonderin

[misskimbee]

I think I might give this a shot, just for another kick start.....God knows I need it.

[doit]

Hi everyone! I'm back. Here is something I hate to say but I was under a lot of stress for a few months and I gainned back 40+ pounds of what I had lost. * sighs*

I am back on Stillman as of today. I didn't even dare step on the scale this morning, but I will tomorrow morning.

[doit]

I stepped on the scale and I know I lost at least 2 pounds. When I see that I want to keep going and going.

[doit]

I'm down to 222.4 today. Gotta love Stillman.

[zesty]

wow thats a long time

[monster66]

Okay, I am jumping on the Stillman bandwagon. I have been on it 2 days with no loss so far but today is the first day that I havent been starving with hunger. So far today 3 boiled eggs and will have some chicken and maybe a little horseradish for lunch. How has everyone done with this?

[monster66]

Well to answer my own question, I have done great! I lost 4 pounds last week and havent weighed yet for this week but I am expecting another 2 hopefully. I can definitely tell in my clothes and others have noticed too. Loving Stillmans but I am going to do PSMF next week for the veggies.

[Ranch]

Sorry, what does PSMF mean? Also, I was wondering if pot roast was allowed, since it does contain a lot of fat but yet no carbs.-It is obvious that caloric intake is supposed to be kept at a minimum, does it get easier?

[monster66]

PSMF is protein sparing modified fast. I tried it for about 4 days and didnt really care for it. I am going back to M/E on monday. I wouldnt think that pot roast would be allowed because of the fat. With Stillmans, you keep it low carb and low fat. I just eat boiled eggs, skinless chicken breast, tuna, shrimp, tilapia and such. I use a little horseradish on the side with my meats and that is pretty much it. It is boring but that is one of the good things for me. I dont have to think about it!

[doit]

Hi there. Yes you can eat pot roast. I have and still have lost weight. I have also eaten pork roast and porkchops/with all fat removed.

If you're wondering how I've been doing since my last post, don't. I fell off the Stillman wagon. But, I'm back on till Thanksgiving. I take Holidays off. Which is not my reason for gaining weight back. Stress was. I'll try to get in here a few times a week and let you know how I've been doing.

[monster66]

I fell off and am doing Stillmans again starting today and going to Thanksgiving also! Lets keep each other motivated. I was happy with what I lost the first time around and hope to do that again. We shall see.....

[doit]

That sounds like a plan. This morning I was the same as I was when I started back on Stillman in September. ( pretty sad huh? )

So far I've done great today. I had 3 scrambled eggs for breakfast. Yes, I used a small amount of pam spray. For lunch I had a steak. For dinner I'm having another steak and some scrambled eggs.

I'll get on and tell ya what I weigh tomorrow.

Good Luck to both of us !!!

[monster66]

Ok that sounds good. I have thawed out some shrimp to have for dinner. I had 3 boiled eggs for breakfast and some chicken breast for lunch with a little horseradish. I havent been hungry today until just now. I put all the chocolate Halloween candy in the freezer too to keep it out of my mouth...and off of my hips, thighs, stomach etc!

[doit]

I'd have posted earlier, but my husband was on the computer when I got home from work. Then I had to go out on a charter.

I stepped on the scale this morning and I was 220.8... 3 pound loss.

check back in tomorrow... :thup:

[Ayustar]

From what I have noticed about Stillmans, it isn't that much different than the meat and egg fast. Just not so much fat, so it is a lean version of it? I couldn't handle it. I wanted to kill people on the diet, so I did meat and egg with fat, it works.

But that is awesome for you guys, I might give it a try sometime in the future since I usually meat and egg it anyways so it wouldn't be hard to go to Stillmans from that.

[doit]

219 this morning... loss of 1.8 pounds.

Gotta Love Stillman!!!

[monster66]

I am trying to hold out on weighing until Saturday. Yesterday was the first day I have stuck to M/E strictly. The other days, bits of bad things have found their way into my mouth! I am on track now. Heres to another good day! Congrats on the loss!!

[monster66]

Another good day so far and I know I wont blow it now. Still trying to wait until Saturday to weigh. I hope to see 138 or below!

[doit]

well .. I don't know what it was.. the cottage cheese or what.. but I went back up to 220.4

and today I messed up.. so I'm gonna chill the weekend. I'll be back on... starting Monday...

[monster66]

I love M/E! I wanted 138 and got 136.5! I am very happy with that but have to be careful not to get too confident and eat something I shouldnt this weekend. Sometimes weekends are difficult and I have been really wanting ice cream lately. My sons 3rd birthday is at the end of this month so I am going to try to hold out until then and have some at his party.
Hang in there and see you on Monday!

[doit]

Congrats!

Weekends are hard for me too. I've been blowing them for a while now. This morning ... * groans* 223.8

I've been good today though.

I'll post again tomorrow.

[monster66]

I am so glad to know I am not the only one who slips on what is becoming a regular basis for me! I am back on track as of tomorrow. Very crazy day today messed up my eating but I am back on tomorrow morning. I feel so much better when I eat like I know I am supposed to!

[doit]

I feel better when I am eating this way....... Sooooo, why do I mess up? Wow, now that's a question. One which I had the answer to.

221.2 this morning * smiles*

I can't wait till I see 130 on my scale. Seems sooooooooo far away. Heck, I'd settle for 170 for now.

[monster66]

You will get there! The way I am going I would love to see 130 too!! I think I sabotage myself because I get too cocky and satisfied. I am tired of the bloat that carbs put on me so I am stepping away. I still have lots of head work to do. Have a good day!

[doit]

220.4 this morning.

I don't know if I'll ever get to 130, I'm 47 yrs. old. I don't ever remember being 130 in the first place. I would have had to have been in my early teens. Right now I just want to get back to where I was the begining of this year, before I let the weight back on. I was 185 and I have no idea why I stopped Stillman.

Well, I'm not giving up again. * hopes not anyway*

Take care and I'll cya later.

[monster66]

You are doing great. I am struggling this week. Today is my turn around day. I am determined now! I have really just been playing around. No more!! I will weigh again Saturday. I have 122 in my stats as my goal but I really dont think I will ever get there. Just to get into the 120's would be great for me. I am only 5'2" but I dont look right if I get too skinny. At least I dont think so. I havent seen those numbers in at least 13 years and that was also 4 children ago so who knows how it would be distributed. As long as I can wear clothes.....

[doit]

This morning I weighed in at..................................


218.8

* jumps up and down*

I'll post again tomorrow.

[monster66]

Woo Hoo for you!! I have done terribly this week and I am not even going to weigh tomorrow. You are making me feel bad for not staying on track!! That is what I need though! I will get back on!

[doit]

Welllllllllllllllllll ......... don't feel to badly.

I asked for my husband's help and I got it. I suggested having pizza on Thursday night for dinner. He said "no, it's not on your diet".

That is with out a doubt the only reason I didn't go off this weekend.

SOoooooo... I got on the scale this morning and I started crying, with Joe(husband) watching. It read 221.something... I really don't remember the points. I was in scock. I didn't eat much yesterday. I had 3 bowls of egg drop soup and 2 drumsticks. So a gain like that wasn't realistic. I figured it was that..TOM. Well I went back to bed for a while. (4 hours) lmao...

When I got back up I stepped on it and it was 219.0 phew!!!

I have no idea what's going on.. but I am NOT going off till I get to 200 then I'll go out to dinner and get back on the next meal. ohhhhhhhhhh wait what am I talking about.. I forgot Thanksgiving. hmmm * wonders if I can get to 200 by then*

ok revised.... I will stay true to Stillman till Thanksgiving. Then I will blow the whole day... lmao

Talk to you later.

[doit]

yeeeee haaaaaaw!

217.4

*big smile*

[monster66]

WOW!!! You are doing so great!! I have let myself really go this week. I have eaten everything in sight and then some! I am going back on tomorrow. I cannot start anything new til a Monday rolls around so today is my last day of "eating". I am not going to weigh until next Saturday for fear of what the scale would say. It would probably scream "Get off of me you cow!!" I am staying on til Thanksgiving at least and I may not deviate then too much. We are at my MIL this year and there will be lots of things I can resist. One of my sons has a birthday that following Saturday though and I will be partaking of cake and ice cream so I may try to stay tru til then. Since it will be a Saturday, I will have to do badly on Sunday too and then get back on the following Monday. Make sense?? Have a good one! Those numbers will keep you inspired!

[doit]

Yes it makes sense.

I thought I'd step on the scale and see a smaller number this morning, but no such luck. 218.0 Only a .6 rise. It had to have been the chicken I ate for dinner. Cooked with the skin on and I took it off after. There was still grease on it, so I'll blame it on that.

I know I'd lose faster if I wouldn't drink powdered creamer in my coffee. * sighs* But I can't drink it black, I just can't. ewww!

cya later... and stop thinking of your scale calling you a cow. OMG if I only was your weight. I would be soooooo happy.

[monster66]

I used to think I would be so happy when I got down to this weight but I still think of myself as fat. I need to exercise to tone up the flab I have. I have a smaller number on the scale but at 5'2" every little flabby part of me jiggles. I have never been what I would call thin even when I weighed under 120. Always lots of pudge. I have done well today and once I get through tomorrow, my attitude and irritability should clear up and I will be a happy camper again!

[doit]

grrr.. 218.4 What in the heck is going on? Only thing I can think of is I haven't gone potty, one bad thing about Stillman. Soooooo, I guess I'll see what it says tomorrow. I'd like to not step on the scale for a week, but I'm afarid not to cause of the up and downs if I goof up one meal. That way I can make sure I'm good the next day. Although I have been good. Only thing I have been eating a lot of is chicken. Guess after I get paid tomorrow, I'll get some beef. Some nice steaks and some eggs. mmmmmmmm

We'll see... :thup:

[monster66]

I have such a love/hate relationship with my scale. If it shows good numbers I rationalize that I can cheat a little and if it shows bad numbers then I say whats the use!! I have one day under my belt and going strong on day 2 here. Wonder how it would do to add some psyllium husks to a glass of water to help move things along? I may try that later if I get...umm...stuck! I didnt have any problems in that dept when I was doing it before but you never know.

[doit]

I don't know about psyllium. I've never used it.

I can't wait till I'm under 200 again. I looked soooo much better. When I get under 200 again I'll be able to get into my jeans again. Kinda getting sick of these sweat pants. I tossed all my fat clothes away. I figured I wouldn't gain if I didn't have anything to wear. WRONG. Cause I had the sweats. It's cold where I live and I need them in the winter time. * sighs* Oh Well!

Live and learn.. huh? * chuckles* yup

[doit]

217.2 This morning... Sorry I don't have a lot of time right now. Kinda rushing out the door.

[doit]

I have no idea what's going on. 218.2 this morning and I didn't eat hardly anything yesterday. Maybe that's why. Who know?

[monster66]

I am still doing well on my eating. Didnt eat much yesterday either but I havent weighed yet. I sometimes seem to hold on to weight the day after I didnt eat much. I bet you will see the number back down in a day or so. Maybe even lower! You are doing so well with this!

[doit]

I thought I was doing well. But, I was hungry this morning when I got home from work. So, I decided to eat on my 1800 cal. diabetic diet for a little while. I needed some veggies badly. This isn't going as fast as it did the first time I did it. So if I'm gonna lose it slowly then I may as well eat on a diabetic diet and have foods I miss on Stillman. We'll see what happens. I will still be here posting my weight and letting you know how I'm doing. Who knows I might be back on Stillman Starting Monday.

[doit]

disreguard that last post...

I went nuts later... and had pizza and wings..

Going back on Stillman in the morning.

phew..

[monster66]

Mmmm pizza! We went to Wolfman pizza last night and I ate before we went so I wouldnt go crazy. I had one cube of pizza but that was a taste test to make sure it wasnt too hot for the babies to eat. Nothing else but water. I am going to be out all day today shopping with a friend so I will probably have a salad for lunch but meat again for dinner. I have done well all week and tomorrow is weigh day so I have to be good today too!

[skeeweeaka]

I'm wondering what do you do for fiber????

[doit]

You don't have to do anything for fiber. The plan does not give you diarrhea. If anything, it makes it so you don't go (poop) for a day or two. (maybe three)

Don't worry if that happens.... you will be dropping the weight.

[Eos]

Who could specify what amount of FF cottage cheese is allowed daily?

Failed to find it :help:

[doit]

There isn't a specific amount. But, I wouldn't eat more than a half cup a day. It tends to slow down the weight loss.

[showgirlxo]

Hey ladies reading your posts have been really encouraging and I have to say that the only diet that ever truly worked for me was something like Stillman's because I did something like it. Tonight was the first time I ever heard of Stillman's but due to frustration and anger 5 months ago, I put myself thru a similar diet- a no-carb, low calorie diet where I steadily lost 20lbs per month and here we are 5 months later and I am actually below my goal weight.

I have weight 200lbs + since I was 13 and have tried every