[CKD] How muchweight can one lose each week

[chevi97]

Hi I was wondering if anyone knew how much weigth or what one can loose per week on Average on a CKD Diet?
I know af first every loses betwen 10 and 15, but after that that can I expect???
I also realzie supps can speed the process but I am talking without supps.
I also wantto clafify that I am not an anti-supp advocate, I am actually an activ user of many different supps (cycling on and off of course) I just want to know the bottom line on the CKD deit.

[Beaver]

Heres my stats for the first 7weeks so far...actually its 6? I took a week off cause I hurt my back. The scale just goes buck wild on CKD

I started at 265-270(it bounced), 48-49" gut.

Week one- 265 Sunday -255 Wednesday -262 Sunday

Week two- 260 Tuesday -256 Thursday

Week Three - 260 Monday - 250 Friday

Week Four - 258 Monday - 255 Friday - Belly was at 46" Waist 44"

Week Five - This week screwed me up. I hurt my back and decided to just eat "normal" which means no counting calories or nuthin. Belly wound up back at 48"

Week Six - 263 Monday - 255 Firday -

Week Seven - 255 Monday - 250 Friday - Belly at 46" Waist at 43.5"

And I am in week 8 now and I am 255 as of today. I made a promise to myself to only weight myself in 2 week increments, but I got antsy today and it really mindfucked me. Anyways you can see its a bouncy bouncy ride. I dont know if it qualifies as supps but I take ALA Potassium Chromium and Creatine as of week 6, and only around carb ups.

My body fat Percentage has gone from 33-34 % to 29% When I do the math there is some Rogue pounds I added that may or may not be muscle :) Maybe I am just backed up haha


TrainerDan posted his weekly Weights for a cycle in The CKD 101 thread. Here are those for your reading pleasure

Week 1 Monday 200 pounds - Friday 194 pounds

Week 2 Monday 202 pounds - Friday 193 pounds

Week 3 Monday 199 pounds - Friday 192 pounds

Week 4 Monday 197 pounds - Friday 190 pounds

Week 5 Monday 195 pounds - Friday 188 pounds

Week 6 Monday 193 pounds - Friday 186 pounds

Week 7 Monday 192 pounds - Friday 185 pounds

Week 8 Monday 191 pounds - Friday 184 pounds

[chevi97]

Originally posted by Beaver
Heres my stats for the first 7weeks so far...actually its 6? I took a week off cause I hurt my back. The scale just goes buck wild on CKD

I started at 265-270(it bounced), 48-49" gut.

Week one- 265 Sunday -255 Wednesday -262 Sunday

Week two- 260 Tuesday -256 Thursday

Week Three - 260 Monday - 250 Friday

Week Four - 258 Monday - 255 Friday - Belly was at 46" Waist 44"

Week Five - This week screwed me up. I hurt my back and decided to just eat "normal" which means no counting calories or nuthin. Belly wound up back at 48"

Week Six - 263 Monday - 255 Firday -

Week Seven - 255 Monday - 250 Friday - Belly at 46" Waist at 43.5"

And I am in week 8 now and I am 255 as of today. I made a promise to myself to only weight myself in 2 week increments, but I got antsy today and it really mindfucked me. Anyways you can see its a bouncy bouncy ride. I dont know if it qualifies as supps but I take ALA Potassium Chromium and Creatine as of week 6, and only around carb ups.

My body fat Percentage has gone from 33-34 % to 29% When I do the math there is some Rogue pounds I added that may or may not be muscle :) Maybe I am just backed up haha


TrainerDan posted his weekly Weights for a cycle in The CKD 101 thread. Here are those for your reading pleasure

Week 1 Monday 200 pounds - Friday 194 pounds

Week 2 Monday 202 pounds - Friday 193 pounds

Week 3 Monday 199 pounds - Friday 192 pounds

Week 4 Monday 197 pounds - Friday 190 pounds

Week 5 Monday 195 pounds - Friday 188 pounds

Week 6 Monday 193 pounds - Friday 186 pounds

Week 7 Monday 192 pounds - Friday 185 pounds

Week 8 Monday 191 pounds - Friday 184 pounds
SO its not all that fast huh, dude are you using any supps, like an ECA or anything .
I thought I could lose like 3 lbs a week or more

[Beaver]

Actually I am using Xenadrine. I might stop and see what happens, someone mentioned it can squeeze your adrenal glands and cause the same results as overtraining.

I really dont like the fat burner cause its an appetite suppresant and it makes it hard to eat all I need to.

Anyways, its slow but relativley steady. THe week off killed me AND I think I had a dairy product related stall the week following. So I dunno.

[chevi97]

Originally posted by Beaver
Actually I am using Xenadrine. I might stop and see what happens, someone mentioned it can squeeze your adrenal glands and cause the same results as overtraining.

I really dont like the fat burner cause its an appetite suppresant and it makes it hard to eat all I need to.

Anyways, its slow but relativley steady. THe week off killed me AND I think I had a dairy product related stall the week following. So I dunno.
How long have you been on the Xenadrine?? If more than 12 weeks come off of it an stay of for about 4 weeks nad then keep doing that 12 weeks on 4 weeks off, becasue your adrenal glands dwon regulate after about 12 weeks and giving them four weeks rest will help them get back to normal and the nthe Xenadrine will once again burn fat like crazy.
ALso you might want to bump up the dosage, that stuff is way under dosed, try taking like 8-10 a day like 2 every 2-3 hours, you will lose way more fat, seriously and that is not a high dose but what they put on the label is the dose they think the average person should take but if you weigh like 250 you can tolerate a hella of alot more than someone who is 200 you know. THere are many other very effective supplements that can help you lose weight, if you are interested let me know, but If not then I dont want to waste my breath

[suze_c]

When I was younger, I followed this diet called Dr. Stillman's Quick Weight Loss Diet. Basically the only thing I ate was any kind of meat that I wanted, any kind of cheese, cottage cheese, and that's it. Oh yeah, and LOTS AND LOTS of water.I lost 26# in 4 weeks and in the first week, I had lost 15% of my total body weight, which is not uncommon on that diet. I don't know about Atkins,... or any of the other LC diets, but that was my experience on that one :spin: .

[chevi97]

Originally posted by suze_c
When I was younger, I followed this diet called Dr. Stillman's Quick Weight Loss Diet. Basically the only thing I ate was any kind of meat that I wanted, any kind of cheese, cottage cheese, and that's it. Oh yeah, and LOTS AND LOTS of water.I lost 26# in 4 weeks and in the first week, I had lost 15% of my total body weight, which is not uncommon on that diet. I don't know about Atkins,... or any of the other LC diets, but that was my experience on that one :spin: .
Sounds good, last summer all I ate was 6 meals a day of 1/2 chicken breats and plenty of water and lost 60 lbs, went from a tubby 230 to a lean and mean 170 by the first week of September.

[Beaver]

I think I am gonna cut out the Xenadrine actually. I have been taking for well over 12 weeks I think and I began to suspect that it just aint workin.

I have a question, how much muscle can you gain in a week? haha. Cause the scale is going up while the waist is going down, I am doing a new routine weight wise and I am 4 weeks in. I remember reading someone said they gained 7 pounds in 6 weeks doing this routine. its really messin with me haha, I dont wanna overbelieve

[Luxsit]

First week down 2 pounds :D

Regards,
Lux :wave:

[chevi97]

Originally posted by Luxsit
First week down 2 pounds :D

Regards,
Lux :wave:
Really that is all, I lost 12 lbs without any supps, are you sure you cut your carbs enough, because I went about 10-12 carbs a day for 5 days and lost 12 lbs in a week!!!!!!!!!
Went from 190-178 ~ about 15% Bodyfat

[chevi97]

Originally posted by Beaver
I think I am gonna cut out the Xenadrine actually. I have been taking for well over 12 weeks I think and I began to suspect that it just aint workin.

I have a question, how much muscle can you gain in a week? haha. Cause the scale is going up while the waist is going down, I am doing a new routine weight wise and I am 4 weeks in. I remember reading someone said they gained 7 pounds in 6 weeks doing this routine. its really messin with me haha, I dont wanna overbelieve
Normally you can put on maybe 1-2 lbs a week of muscle at the most and if you are on roids about 5 maybe, but that is being totally dedicated, it may be that you started to retain a little water again if you have upped your carbs at all of if you stopped taking Xenadrine, becasue Xenadrine makes you drop water so if you stopped it then the water miught have come back even though you may still be losing fat.
I was also going to suggest you try:
SAN's Thyrocuts 2: Its is a great supp, here is a link:http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/san/thyro.html
anohter product you might try is Beta 3:
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/bodyworks-nutrition/syntrax-beta-3.html
This is a Beta 3 antagonist that will make you drop fat in places where noral Fat burners wont it goes after brown fat, oit really got my arms extremely cut, but you must take about 8-10, same goes for the t2 from San take about 8 a day, and you will see some fantastice results you can take this with or without Xenadrine. but you can take it while you are off Xenadrine for 4 weeks to help keep you lean,

[realdeal]

Doing everything right i would say that i lost near 8 pounds the first week.

Cutting carbs near 0, carbing up for 24 hours instread of 48.

But you gotta make sure you dont lose to fast either you will lose muscles thats what happened to me.

I might carb up a bit more to gain some back and be more careful to really do a good carb up.

[Big Dog]

I was reading Beaver and Luxsit's posts and realized that they are experienceing the same thing that i am - not a lot of weight loss. I have lost 10 pounds through the first 5 weeks.

I found a post on the BFL board that linked to this article

http://www.hussman.org/fitness/#inside

The author described me perfectly. It seems that it takes bigger guys (which would describe me, Lux and Beav) a longer time to see significant weight (and fat) losses.

Interestingly enough he says it may take 5 weeks to see improvements. I am in my 5th week of CKD and have dropped 4 pounds so far this week, my best week by far since starting the program.

I correlate with several of his points. Over the first 5 weeks i have become stronger, and my legs and arms are much more solid than before. I am also experienceing the "jelly belly" as i refer to it.

[realdeal]

My guess is that you might have lost a lot of weight doing the atkins diet has you mentionned in anther post.

Atkins is amazing and people lose a lot on it, this might be the reason why on the CKD you havent lost a lot of weight.

I am still gonna read the article that you posted, true is that we are all different and some might lose more has you said and some might lose less.

[Big Dog]

I lost abour 50 pounds on Atkins back in 2000, but at the beginning of 2001 i went back to free-for-all eating and gained it back.

I knew better, i knew if i stayed on maintenance i would be ok, but for some reason i didnt. So here i am 2 1/2 years later starting over again.

[Jalilah]

Originally posted by chevi97
Really that is all, I lost 12 lbs without any supps, are you sure you cut your carbs enough, because I went about 10-12 carbs a day for 5 days and lost 12 lbs in a week!!!!!!!!!
Went from 190-178 ~ about 15% Bodyfat

Please don't take this as me trying to burst your bubble----12lbs is great! But, on LC diets the initial loss (most of it) is water. It's physiologically impossible to lose 12lbs of BF in that time. I'm mostly bringing that up because Luxit's 2lb loss is fine!! 2lbs is a terrific loss for one week. And even Lyle says that cutting the carbs back too far is really unecessary. If it works for you, well heck----keep on keepin' on!! :thup: I just really wanted Luxit to know and understand that not everyone loses that amount of weight initially. Rapid weight loss, I'm told, is only part BF and could very well be LBM too.

I apologize if my post sounds harsh, because I don't mean for it to. :) It just seemed like luxit's 2lb loss was sort of downplayed a bit, when it was actually a good loss.

[realdeal]

Your right about the weightloss, i havent been on a diet since a long time, even if i have lost some 16 pounds in near 3 weeks, a lot of this has to be glycogen and water.

What amazes me is even if it is water and glycogen the weightloss is so quick, its mind bugling.

Its when all the water is lost that you get into the fatloss.

[Jalilah]

Originally posted by realdeal
Your right about the weightloss, i havent been on a diet since a long time, even if i have lost some 16 pounds in near 3 weeks, a lot of this has to be glycogen and water.

What amazes me is even if it is water and glycogen the weightloss is so quick, its mind bugling.

Its when all the water is lost that you get into the fatloss.

So true!! My initial loss on Atkins wasn't very good, only 5lbs, but I'd been low fat dieting six weeks before that. Right now I have some weird symptoms AGAIN, the ketostix are neutral, and my energy level has crashed majorly. So I'm trying to figure out what's what still. I was 157, then 161 after the carb up, and 160 today...and I'm bloated as all get out. I slept 11hrs and am still tired. Frustrating.

Why am I rambling about this? :rolleyes:

Anyway, congrats on your loss---water, glycogen, etc... it's all good!!! :thup:

[realdeal]

Usually i try to test my body temperture at least 2 times a day, when i wake up and before super.

I got weard readings sometimes, when i get into ketosis its really deep purple, i feel week for a day or two but after that i just feel good.

I think that during the low carb your thyroid slows down a bit.

I keep a close look at this, if i find it goes down to much then i carb up.

[Jalilah]

Originally posted by realdeal
Usually i try to test my body temperture at least 2 times a day, when i wake up and before super.

I got weard readings sometimes, when i get into ketosis its really deep purple, i feel week for a day or two but after that i just feel good.

I think that during the low carb your thyroid slows down a bit.

I keep a close look at this, if i find it goes down to much then i carb up.

I've been doing the CKD carb ups on the weekend, but can't figure out what's up. This week, even after three days I'm still showing neutral on the ketostix. In Lyle's book he says that higher concentrations of ketones can actually hinder weight loss (can't remember the physiological explanation though) and that the best losses usually come with a trace reading. It may not be like that for you, but I've always been a slow loser---no matter what color the ketostix turn.

I kept my carbs impossibly low, and I think that it was too low. I don't have much in the way of energy. I'm not sure what I'm going to do about it now, but I'm skipping my cardio this morning because I feel so bad. I'll have my 1.5hr dance class tonight that I'll be teaching, so I'll get some exercise there. My body's such a pain. :mad:

[realdeal]

Mine was fructose and candy, i am pertty sure that this is why i didnt hit ketosis this week.

To tell you the thruth i am not even sure you have to be in ketosis to lose weight, but still.

If you have eaten some type of carb that has fully replenish your liver then it will take longer to get into ketosis.

Maybe your feeling that way because you are making the change from glycogen to ketosis.

Like i said it very weird, take last week for exemple:

Monday felt fine, tuesday felt fine, tested for ketones on Wedneday deep purple wow, Theurday i felt really bad, dizzy, yaggggg and Friday too, even after i started my carb up i felt worst.

[Jalilah]

Originally posted by realdeal
Mine was fructose and candy, i am pertty sure that this is why i didnt hit ketosis this week.

No fructose here. In fact, I didn't "quite" hit my mark on the carb up on day II. I use what the CKD parameters calculator give me, and this week fell a little short on day two.

To tell you the thruth i am not even sure you have to be in ketosis to lose weight, but still.

No, you don't, but for low carb diets you should be in ketosis. Last week I was in ketosis by Tuesday! This week, Wed. and no ketosis. Neutral as can be.

If you have eaten some type of carb that has fully replenish your liver then it will take longer to get into ketosis.

I didn't eat anything weird or unusual. Besides, in the book (and I clarified this with Lyle himself), you're supposed to eat a small carb meal 4hrs before the depletion workout AND another one (which includes a peice of fruit) 2hrs prior to the depletion workout. Lyle explained that you WANT the liver to STOP producing ketones/being in a catabolic state, so those two small meals are important. I've not done this yet because I just found this out the other day. In fact, he said that those meals don't hurt anything and that the depletion workout will deplete the glycogen anyway.

Maybe your feeling that way because you are making the change from glycogen to ketosis.

No. I don't think that's it. I usually feel BETTER the closer I get to ketosis. I've only made the sticks turn purple once, and that used to bother me...until I read that the body doesn't burn fat as well when there's a high concentration of ketones spilling into the urine. Now I just want to be in trace or small. Either does fine for me. LOL. I guess I just need that darn reassurance. :rolleyes:

Like i said it very weird, take last week for exemple:

Monday felt fine, tuesday felt fine, tested for ketones on Wedneday deep purple wow, Theurday i felt really bad, dizzy, yaggggg and Friday too, even after i started my carb up i felt worst.

Sounds like basic "induction flu," and that's normal. But I start feeling like crapola BEFORE I actually go into ketosis. Something may be knocking me out, but I'm not sure what.

I had 2 oz of almonds on monday because I was ravenous, and Atkins muffins yesterday====but my carbs were still below 20g (17g to be exact).

(((sigh)))

[Big Dog]

J. put down the ketostix and step away.


I have read alot of stuff about the inaccuracy of ketostix. i think you are unnecessarily stressing youself out over them. So many factors can influence them. Maybe you drank a lot of water and diluted the ketones, maybe you worked out intensely and the body used more ketones and didnt have extra to flush, maybe the sticks are contaminated.

I bought a bottle when i started CKD, tested obsessively for 3 weeks, finally decided to stop worrying myself about how i tested, now i might test on wednesday just for shits and giggles.

As long as my workouts, measurements, body weight and fat percent are improving i could care less if i am in ketosis or not.

Good luck!!

[Jalilah]

Originally posted by Big Dog
J. put down the ketostix and step away.


I have read alot of stuff about the inaccuracy of ketostix. i think you are unnecessarily stressing youself out over them. So many factors can influence them. Maybe you drank a lot of water and diluted the ketones, maybe you worked out intensely and the body used more ketones and didnt have extra to flush, maybe the sticks are contaminated.

I bought a bottle when i started CKD, tested obsessively for 3 weeks, finally decided to stop worrying myself about how i tested, now i might test on wednesday just for shits and giggles.

As long as my workouts, measurements, body weight and fat percent are improving i could care less if i am in ketosis or not.

Good luck!!

ROFLMAO!! :p Thanks, Big Dog!! I have to admit, for some reason, the way you said that, really helped lighten my somewhat dark mood today. I'm gonna be cracking up about that the rest of the day. :)

I know you're right... and I've decided to just say to hell with the ketostix anyway. I drink at least 120oz of water a day, so I know that will dilute the ketone concentrations a bit.

On the same token, Lyle (on his BB) suggested I do a weeklong refeed....such as doing LF higher carbs for about a week. I'm sure I'll put on water and glycogen, so TRUST me when I say I'm hiding the bathroom scale and sending the ketostix down the road as well. Anyway, I'm going to use the CKD calculator to calculate all the macronutrients for that week so I don't mess up.

I'm going to train hard during that time and watch my energy levels. This is cool, look what Lyle wrote about this to me...he said, so I don't freak out about it, to tell myself that it's "a 'strategically planned refeed to reset leptin.'" LOL... I love it.

AND... what I did today (and oddly it's worked so far) is have an Atkins muffin with breakfast, two hours later had an EAS Low Carb bar----and a REAL cup of coffee (actually two)... caffein and everything. Of course I had a buzz for about 2hrs due to the caffein (which I'd cut out 7mos ago). My head feels funny though now that it's wearing off. But I'm feeling better somewhat.

Tomorrow, I'll go do my 20MAS (stairmaster) and see how I feel. Friday, I might do the depletion workout anyway and up the carbs to maybe 200g or 300g rather than the 580g I would normally do on the carb up. Refeed experiment #1, I guess.

Thanks for the smile, Big Dog. You have no idea how it brightened my day. :daizy:

[nicoleb]

Originally posted by suze_c
When I was younger, I followed this diet called Dr. Stillman's Quick Weight Loss Diet. Basically the only thing I ate was any kind of meat that I wanted, any kind of cheese, cottage cheese, and that's it. Oh yeah, and LOTS AND LOTS of water.I lost 26# in 4 weeks and in the first week, I had lost 15% of my total body weight, which is not uncommon on that diet. I don't know about Atkins,... or any of the other LC diets, but that was my experience on that one :spin: .
hmmm so that seems like aorund 6.5pounds of wieght loss per week....you mentioned it was uncommon on that diet....does that mean its rly guaranteed that i could lose that much weight in a week?!im tryin that one as of now....and i guess a YES for an answer on this might rly help me be inspired for the week :daze: