Safety Squat Bar and Neck problems

[sharkbait3]

I have a Safety ( Hoagland ) Squat Bar. When I use it I start
having problems with my neck and upperback.... about 5-6
inches down my spine. The problems include soreness, numbness,
and tingling. The problems seem to last until I quit using the
bar for a month or so. If I look down for 10 to 15 seconds my
neck and upperback turn numb. I also need to crack my neck
several times a day when I use the squat bar.

Does anyone else who uses this bar have these problems?

I like using the bar. It seems to take stress off the lower
back as well as my knees and I'd like to find a to keep
using it, but I'm not going to use it anymore if these
problems persist.

BTW I don't have problems doing regular squats...I like to use
the Safety Squat bar in addition to them.

[Katra@Cent]

sharkbait3483@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> I have a Safety ( Hoagland ) Squat Bar. When I use it I
> start having problems with my neck and upperback.... about
> 5-6 inches down my spine. The problems include soreness,
> numbness, and tingling. The problems seem to last until I
> quit using the bar for a month or so. If I look down for
> 10 to 15 seconds my neck and upperback turn numb. I also
> need to crack my neck several times a day when I use the
> squat bar.
>
> Does anyone else who uses this bar have these problems?
>
> I like using the bar. It seems to take stress off the lower
> back as well as my knees and I'd like to find a to keep
> using it, but I'm not going to use it anymore if these
> problems persist.
>
> BTW I don't have problems doing regular squats...I like to
> use the Safety Squat bar in addition to them.

Have you tried using a bar pad? I never put an unpadded bar on
the back of my neck. :-)

Kat

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[Spodosauru]

The bar should NOT be on the back of your neck! It should be
held across the shoulders. Furthermore, padding between the
bar and your shoulders allows small but repeated movement of
the barbell, which makes it 1) harder to hold and 2) a
potential cause of irritation/injury of the shoulder or nerves
beneath where the bar is resting.

HTH,

Ari

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<katra@centurytel.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> sharkbait3483@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > I have a Safety ( Hoagland ) Squat Bar. When I use it I
> > start having problems with my neck and upperback.... about
> > 5-6 inches down my spine. The problems include soreness,
> > numbness, and tingling. The problems seem to last until I
> > quit using the bar for a month or so. If I look down for
> > 10 to 15 seconds my neck and upperback turn numb. I also
> > need to crack my neck several times a day when I use the
> > squat bar.
> >
> > Does anyone else who uses this bar have these problems?
> >
> > I like using the bar. It seems to take stress off the
> > lower back as well as my knees and I'd like to find a to
> > keep using it, but I'm not going to use it anymore if
> > these problems persist.
> >
> > BTW I don't have problems doing regular squats...I like to
> > use the Safety Squat bar in addition to them.
>
> Have you tried using a bar pad? I never put an unpadded bar
> on the back of my neck. :-)
>
> Kat
>
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[sharkbait3]

Ok...here's the deal...the Safety Squat bar is padded....I'll
include a link so you can see what it looks like.

http://store.yahoo.com/homegym/olsafsquatba.html

At this link you can see a picture of the bar as well as
a guy using
it.

thanks for any idea's anyone has.



On Sun, 15 Sep 2002 17:04:25 GMT, "spodosaurus"
<strictform@yukyukyuk.com> wrote:

>The bar should NOT be on the back of your neck! It should be
>held across the shoulders. Furthermore, padding between the
>bar and your shoulders allows small but repeated movement of
>the barbell, which makes it 1) harder to hold and 2) a
>potential cause of irritation/injury of the shoulder or
>nerves beneath where the bar is resting.
>
>HTH,
>
>Ari
>
>--
>
>Are you registered as a bone marrow donor? You regenerate
>what you donate. You are offered the chance to donate only if
>you match a person on the recipient list. Call your local Red
>Cross and ask about registering to be a bone marrow donor.
>
>spam trap: replace shyah_right with hotmail when replying
>
>
><katra@centurytel.net> wrote in message
>news:3D84AD7C.30D2F2E3@centurytel.net...
>>
>>
>> sharkbait3483@hotmail.com wrote:
>> >
>> > I have a Safety ( Hoagland ) Squat Bar. When I use it I
>> > start having problems with my neck and upperback....
>> > about 5-6 inches down my spine. The problems include
>> > soreness, numbness, and tingling. The problems seem to
>> > last until I quit using the bar for a month or so. If I
>> > look down for 10 to 15 seconds my neck and upperback turn
>> > numb. I also need to crack my neck several times a day
>> > when I use the squat bar.
>> >
>> > Does anyone else who uses this bar have these problems?
>> >
>> > I like using the bar. It seems to take stress off the
>> > lower back as well as my knees and I'd like to find a to
>> > keep using it, but I'm not going to use it anymore if
>> > these problems persist.
>> >
>> > BTW I don't have problems doing regular squats...I like
>> > to use the Safety Squat bar in addition to them.
>>
>> Have you tried using a bar pad? I never put an unpadded bar
>> on the back of my neck. :-)
>>
>> Kat
>>
>> --
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>> >>^,,^<
>>
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[Katra@Cent]

spodosaurus wrote:
>
> The bar should NOT be on the back of your neck! It should be
> held across the shoulders. Furthermore, padding between the
> bar and your shoulders allows small but repeated movement of
> the barbell, which makes it 1) harder to hold and 2) a
> potential cause of irritation/injury of the shoulder or
> nerves beneath where the bar is resting.
>
> HTH,
>
> Ari
>

Sorry, I did not put that quite right. :-) Yes, most of the
bar is supported across your shoulders, but no matter how you
hold it, it's going to put some pressure on the spine at the
base of your neck.

I use a bar pad that is only long enough to protect my
spine in the center of the bar. The powerlifters at my gym
use them too.

Kat

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[Gps]

sharkbait3483@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> Ok...here's the deal...the Safety Squat bar is
> padded....I'll include a link so you can see what it
> looks like.
>
> http://store.yahoo.com/homegym/olsafsquatba.html
>
> At this link you can see a picture of the bar as well as a
> guy using
> it.
>
> thanks for any idea's anyone has.

Even people who have ideas that are totally irrelevant because
they don't realize that a safety squat bar is padded or that
there is only one place for it to sit on your back?
ps

[Gps]

"katra@centurytel.net" wrote:
>
> spodosaurus wrote:
> >
> > The bar should NOT be on the back of your neck! It should
> > be held across the shoulders. Furthermore, padding between
> > the bar and your shoulders allows small but repeated
> > movement of the barbell, which makes it 1) harder to hold
> > and 2) a potential cause of irritation/injury of the
> > shoulder or nerves beneath where the bar is resting.
> >
> > HTH,
> >
> > Ari
> >
>
> Sorry, I did not put that quite right. :-)

Right. :)

> Yes, most of the bar is supported across your shoulders, but
> no matter how you hold it, it's going to put some pressure
> on the spine at the base of your neck.

No, it's not. :)

> I use a bar pad that is only long enough to protect my spine
> in the center of the bar. The powerlifters at my gym use
> them too.

No, they don't. :)

hth, hand. :)

LOL, LOL. :)
ps

[Spodosauru]

I know what a safety squat bar is, I was replying to katra's
post about normal squatting with a pad...

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<sharkbait3483@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3d84c5a4.14614828@netnews.mchsi.com...
> Ok...here's the deal...the Safety Squat bar is
> padded....I'll include a link so you can see what it
> looks like.
>
> http://store.yahoo.com/homegym/olsafsquatba.html
>
> At this link you can see a picture of the bar as well as a
> guy using
> it.
>
> thanks for any idea's anyone has.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, 15 Sep 2002 17:04:25 GMT, "spodosaurus"
> <strictform@yukyukyuk.com> wrote:
>
> >The bar should NOT be on the back of your neck! It should
> >be held across the shoulders. Furthermore, padding between
> >the bar and your shoulders allows small but repeated
> >movement of the barbell, which makes it 1)
harder
> >to hold and 2) a potential cause of irritation/injury of
> >the shoulder or nerves beneath where the bar is resting.
> >
> >HTH,
> >
> >Ari
> >
> >--
> >
> >Are you registered as a bone marrow donor? You regenerate
> >what you
donate.
> >You are offered the chance to donate only if you match a
> >person on the recipient list. Call your local Red Cross and
> >ask about registering to
be a
> >bone marrow donor.
> >
> >spam trap: replace shyah_right with hotmail when replying
> >
> >
> ><katra@centurytel.net> wrote in message
> >news:3D84AD7C.30D2F2E3@centurytel.net...
> >>
> >>
> >> sharkbait3483@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I have a Safety ( Hoagland ) Squat Bar. When I use it I
> >> > start having problems with my neck and upperback....
> >> > about 5-6 inches down my spine. The problems include
> >> > soreness, numbness, and tingling. The problems seem to
> >> > last until I quit using the bar for a month or so. If I
> >> > look down for 10 to 15 seconds my neck and upperback
> >> > turn numb. I also
need
> >> > to crack my neck several times a day when I use the
> >> > squat bar.
> >> >
> >> > Does anyone else who uses this bar have these
> >> > problems?
> >> >
> >> > I like using the bar. It seems to take stress off the
> >> > lower back as well as my knees and I'd like to find a
> >> > to keep using it, but I'm not going to use it anymore
> >> > if these problems persist.
> >> >
> >> > BTW I don't have problems doing regular squats...I like
> >> > to use the Safety Squat bar in addition to them.
> >>
> >> Have you tried using a bar pad? I never put an unpadded
> >> bar on the back of my neck. :-)
> >>
> >> Kat
> >>
> >> --
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> >> >>^,,^<
> >>
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> >> they are all owned by cats!" --Asimov
> >>
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> >

[Lisa]

<katra@centurytel.net> wrote ...
> Sorry, I did not put that quite right. :-) Yes, most of the
> bar is supported across your shoulders, but no matter how
> you hold it, it's going to put some pressure on the spine at
> the base of your neck.

No, the spine at the base of the neck is *above* where the bar
should rest.

> I use a bar pad that is only long enough to protect my spine
> in the center of the bar. The powerlifters at my gym use
> them too.

As a pad is illegal in powerlifting competition, it is highly
unlikely that any real powerlifter at your gym trains with
one. Really, get the bar positioned correctly and your body
will become accustomed to the load. Then you can sneer at
those pad-using nancyboyz doing their power-curtsies.
---
Lisa

[Spodosauru]

<katra@centurytel.net> wrote in message
news:3D84E421.ECEFA544@centurytel.net...
>
> Sorry, I did not put that quite right. :-) Yes, most of the
> bar is supported across your shoulders, but no matter how
> you hold it, it's going to put some pressure on the spine at
> the base of your neck.

You need to work on your bar placement, then, you're holding
it wrong! While correctly holding the bar, neither my wife nor
myself had/have this problem (and we're at significantly
different levels of muscularity).

>
> I use a bar pad that is only long enough to protect my spine
> in the center of the bar. The powerlifters at my gym use
> them too.

I doubt that they're powerlifters, then. Powerlifters chalk
the bar, and do not use pads that result in the kind of
problems I mentioned in my previous post.

Ari

>
> Kat

[Katra@Cent]

Lisa wrote:
>
> <katra@centurytel.net> wrote ...
> > Sorry, I did not put that quite right. :-) Yes, most of
> > the bar is supported across your shoulders, but no matter
> > how you hold it, it's going to put some pressure on the
> > spine at the base of your neck.
>
> No, the spine at the base of the neck is *above* where the
> bar should rest.
>
> > I use a bar pad that is only long enough to protect my
> > spine in the center of the bar. The powerlifters at my gym
> > use them too.
>
> As a pad is illegal in powerlifting competition, it is
> highly unlikely that any real powerlifter at your gym trains
> with one. Really, get the bar positioned correctly and your
> body will become accustomed to the load. Then you can sneer
> at those pad-using nancyboyz doing their power-curtsies.
> ---
> Lisa

Sounds good. :-) So how low should I hold the bar to do the
squats? If I can make it more comfortable (and safer) that
would be nice. ;-)

I'll be doing them at home soon so will dig my olympic bar out
of the water closet now that I'll have the space to use it. We
are converting the master bedroom into a den/home gym. I've
been using either the ez curl bar or just heavy dumbells to do
squats at home due to space considerations. Those damn Olymic
bars are so wide and my livingroom is small and crowded.

Still looking at power cages... <G> Looks like they are well
within my range price wise. Still gotta check Oshmans.

TIA for the advice!

Kat

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[Katra@Cent]

spodosaurus wrote:
>
> <katra@centurytel.net> wrote in message
> news:3D84E421.ECEFA544@centurytel.net...
> >
> > Sorry, I did not put that quite right. :-) Yes, most of
> > the bar is supported across your shoulders, but no matter
> > how you hold it, it's going to put some pressure on the
> > spine at the base of your neck.
>
> You need to work on your bar placement, then, you're holding
> it wrong! While correctly holding the bar, neither my wife
> nor myself had/have this problem (and we're at significantly
> different levels of muscularity).
>
> >
> > I use a bar pad that is only long enough to protect my
> > spine in the center of the bar. The powerlifters at my gym
> > use them too.
>
> I doubt that they're powerlifters, then. Powerlifters chalk
> the bar, and do not use pads that result in the kind of
> problems I mentioned in my previous post.
>
> Ari
>

Thanks. :-) I am now asking for proper bar placement so I can
do this right withoug hurting myself. <G> Got those cats to
take care of after all.....

Kat
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[Stephen Mu]

<katra@centurytel.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> Lisa wrote:
> >
> > <katra@centurytel.net> wrote ...
> > > Sorry, I did not put that quite right. :-) Yes, most of
> > > the bar is supported across your shoulders, but no
matter
> > > how you hold it, it's going to put some pressure on the
> > > spine at the base of your neck.
> >
> > No, the spine at the base of the neck is *above* where the
> > bar should
rest.
> >
> > > I use a bar pad that is only long enough to protect my
> > > spine in the center of the bar. The powerlifters at my
> > > gym use them too.
> >
> > As a pad is illegal in powerlifting competition, it is
> > highly unlikely
that
> > any real powerlifter at your gym trains with one. Really,
> > get the bar positioned correctly and your body will become
> > accustomed to the load. Then you can sneer at those
> > pad-using nancyboyz doing their
power-curtsies.
> > ---
> > Lisa
>
> Sounds good. :-) So how low should I hold the bar to do the
> squats? If I can make it more comfortable (and safer) that
> would be nice. ;-)

Try this :

When you're about to squat, approach the bar as you normally
would, get below it in the rack, feel where you normally
position the bar on your shoulders, but don't lift the bar.
Rub your neck/upper back up and down against the bar. I'm
talking about a movement of maybe 4 or 5 inches. Don't press
hard against the bar. As you move, you should feel a little
flesh/muscle "shelf" slightly below your neck, about level
with the tops of your shoulderblades. Bring your feet forward,
so that they're below the bar. Concentrate on keeping the bar
on the flesh/muscle shelf area below your neck, not high on
your shoulders. Then stand upright. It took me a while to find
a comfortable bar position for squatting.

Stephen

[Lisa]

<katra@centurytel.net> wrote in message
> > I opined: No, the spine at the base of the neck is *above*
> > where the bar should
rest.

> Sounds good. :-) So how low should I hold the bar to do the
> squats? If I can make it more comfortable (and safer) that
> would be nice. ;-)

The 'more comfortable' will come with time and some thickness
in the rear deltoids. :) As far as bar placement, even
so-called hi-bar squats have the bar *below* that little knob
at the base of your neck. As you get under the bar and put
your hands to either side, stand straight, back tight, and
chest _high_, and you'll feel a little shelf of muscle on your
upper back to settle the bar into. Now, if you prefer a true
powerlifting squat style, it settles in even lower. Where's
that great JPEG of Keith squatting wii-iide stance, low-bar
so's she can see how low one can put that sucka?

> Still looking at power cages... <G> Looks like they are well
> within my range price wise.

Once you get that power cage, the World is Yours. At least
until you get the OL bug. :)
---
Lisa

[Katra@Cent]

Stephen Mulholland wrote:
>
> <katra@centurytel.net> wrote in message
> news:3D856FDC.D6E0B82B@centurytel.net...
> >
> >
> > Lisa wrote:
> > >
> > > <katra@centurytel.net> wrote ...
> > > > Sorry, I did not put that quite right. :-) Yes, most
> > > > of the bar is supported across your shoulders, but no
> matter
> > > > how you hold it, it's going to put some pressure on
> > > > the spine at the base of your neck.
> > >
> > > No, the spine at the base of the neck is *above* where
> > > the bar should
> rest.
> > >
> > > > I use a bar pad that is only long enough to protect my
> > > > spine in the center of the bar. The powerlifters at my
> > > > gym use them too.
> > >
> > > As a pad is illegal in powerlifting competition, it is
> > > highly unlikely
> that
> > > any real powerlifter at your gym trains with one.
> > > Really, get the bar positioned correctly and your body
> > > will become accustomed to the load. Then you can sneer
> > > at those pad-using nancyboyz doing their
> power-curtsies.
> > > ---
> > > Lisa
> >
> > Sounds good. :-) So how low should I hold the bar to do
> > the squats? If I can make it more comfortable (and safer)
> > that would be nice. ;-)
>
> Try this :
>
> When you're about to squat, approach the bar as you normally
> would, get below it in the rack, feel where you normally
> position the bar on your shoulders, but don't lift the bar.
> Rub your neck/upper back up and down against the bar. I'm
> talking about a movement of maybe 4 or 5 inches. Don't press
> hard against the bar. As you move, you should feel a little
> flesh/muscle "shelf" slightly below your neck, about level
> with the tops of your shoulderblades. Bring your feet
> forward, so that they're below the bar. Concentrate on
> keeping the bar on the flesh/muscle shelf area below your
> neck, not high on your shoulders. Then stand upright. It
> took me a while to find a comfortable bar position for
> squatting.
>
> Stephen

Thank you. :-) At the moment, I don't yet have a rack so I
just have to lift it over my head or have someone place the
bar over my shoulders for me... A power rack is the next
purchase. <G>

Needless to say, I'm not attempting to squat much weight yet!
It's not possible without the proper equipment.

Kat

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[Gps]

"katra@centurytel.net" wrote:

> Needless to say, I'm not attempting to squat much
> weight yet!

Yet you feel qualified to give out advice to people such as
"look down" while you squat and put a pad on the bar.

> It's not possible without the proper equipment.

Nor is it possible until you learn how to do it properly.
Perhaps you should wait on the attempt to do so, as well as
giving out advice, until you do.
ps

[Katra@Cent]

gps wrote:
>
> "katra@centurytel.net" wrote:
>
> > Needless to say, I'm not attempting to squat much
> > weight yet!
>
> Yet you feel qualified to give out advice to people such as
> "look down" while you squat and put a pad on the bar.
>
> > It's not possible without the proper equipment.
>
> Nor is it possible until you learn how to do it properly.
> Perhaps you should wait on the attempt to do so, as well as
> giving out advice, until you do.
> ps

I think I already recanted that statement. ;-)

I can be taught...

Kat

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[sharkbait3]

Sixteen responses to my original post and not one of them
answers my original question.

BTW pads for regular squats suck...I tried one once when doing
hi-bar squats then realized it not only through me off balance
it was the pussy way of squating.

On Sun, 15 Sep 2002 14:39:54 GMT,
sharkbait3483@hotmail.com wrote:

>I have a Safety ( Hoagland ) Squat Bar. When I use it I start
>having problems with my neck and upperback.... about 5-6
>inches down my spine. The problems include soreness,
>numbness, and tingling. The problems seem to last until I
>quit using the bar for a month or so. If I look down for 10
>to 15 seconds my neck and upperback turn numb. I also need to
>crack my neck several times a day when I use the squat bar.
>
> Does anyone else who uses this bar have these problems?
>
> I like using the bar. It seems to take stress off the lower
> back as well as my knees and I'd like to find a to keep
> using it, but I'm not going to use it anymore if these
> problems persist.
>
>
>BTW I don't have problems doing regular squats...I like to
>use the Safety Squat bar in addition to them.

[Spodosauru]

The answer should be obvious: the safety squat bar and your
body don't work well together for whatever reasons. Stop using
it before you do yourself some permanent damage. It *sounds*
like the way the bar is pressing on the shoulders is messing
with the muscles and their attachments that work to stabilise
the scapulae, including the levator muscles, and this in turn
is causing problems in your neck, which in turn is causing the
spinal muscle segments that are common to the neck and upper
back to spasm. The end result is pain, stiffness, neck
problems, and nerve-pinching-tingling sensations. If you
cannot find a way to remedy the situation, then stop using the
bar. Any comfort you get in your knees and lower back is not
worth chronic pain in your neck and upper back (this pain is
much harder to live with...and I'd advise working on your
squat form until you're no longer getting problems with your
knees or lower back).

HTH,

Ari

--

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you donate. You are offered the chance to donate only if you
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<sharkbait3483@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3d875708.122340468@netnews.mchsi.com...
>
> Sixteen responses to my original post and not one of them
> answers my original question.
>
> BTW pads for regular squats suck...I tried one once when
> doing hi-bar squats then realized it not only through me off
> balance it was the pussy way of squating.
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, 15 Sep 2002 14:39:54 GMT,
> sharkbait3483@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> >I have a Safety ( Hoagland ) Squat Bar. When I use it I
> >start having problems with my neck and upperback.... about
> >5-6 inches down my spine. The problems include soreness,
> >numbness, and tingling. The problems seem to last until I
> >quit using the bar for a month or so. If I look down for
> >10 to 15 seconds my neck and upperback turn numb. I also
> >need to crack my neck several times a day when I use the
> >squat bar.
> >
> > Does anyone else who uses this bar have these problems?
> >
> > I like using the bar. It seems to take stress off the
> > lower back as well as my knees and I'd like to find a to
> > keep using it, but I'm not going to use it anymore if
> > these problems persist.
> >
> >
> >BTW I don't have problems doing regular squats...I like to
> >use the Safety Squat bar in addition to them.

[sharkbait3]

ok...thanks

On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 06:29:38 GMT, "spodosaurus"
<strictform@yukyukyuk.com> wrote:

>The answer should be obvious: the safety squat bar and your
>body don't work well together for whatever reasons. Stop
>using it before you do yourself some permanent damage. It
>*sounds* like the way the bar is pressing on the shoulders is
>messing with the muscles and their attachments that work to
>stabilise the scapulae, including the levator muscles, and
>this in turn is causing problems in your neck, which in turn
>is causing the spinal muscle segments that are common to the
>neck and upper back to spasm. The end result is pain,
>stiffness, neck problems, and nerve-pinching-tingling
>sensations. If you cannot find a way to remedy the situation,
>then stop using the bar. Any comfort you get in your knees
>and lower back is not worth chronic pain in your neck and
>upper back (this pain is much harder to live with...and I'd
>advise working on your squat form until you're no longer
>getting problems with your knees or lower back).
>
>HTH,
>
>Ari
>
>--
>
>Are you registered as a bone marrow donor? You regenerate
>what you donate. You are offered the chance to donate only if
>you match a person on the recipient list. Call your local Red
>Cross and ask about registering to be a bone marrow donor.
>
>spam trap: replace shyah_right with hotmail when replying
>
>
><sharkbait3483@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:3d875708.122340468@netnews.mchsi.com...
>>
>> Sixteen responses to my original post and not one of them
>> answers my original question.
>>
>> BTW pads for regular squats suck...I tried one once when
>> doing hi-bar squats then realized it not only through me
>> off balance it was the pussy way of squating.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 15 Sep 2002 14:39:54 GMT,
>> sharkbait3483@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>> >I have a Safety ( Hoagland ) Squat Bar. When I use it I
>> >start having problems with my neck and upperback.... about
>> >5-6 inches down my spine. The problems include soreness,
>> >numbness, and tingling. The problems seem to last until I
>> >quit using the bar for a month or so. If I look down for
>> >10 to 15 seconds my neck and upperback turn numb. I also
>> >need to crack my neck several times a day when I use the
>> >squat bar.
>> >
>> > Does anyone else who uses this bar have these problems?
>> >
>> > I like using the bar. It seems to take stress off the
>> > lower back as well as my knees and I'd like to find a to
>> > keep using it, but I'm not going to use it anymore if
>> > these problems persist.
>> >
>> >
>> >BTW I don't have problems doing regular squats...I like to
>> >use the Safety Squat bar in addition to them.
>

[Seth Breid]

In article <3d875708.122340468@netnews.mchsi.com>,
<sharkbait3483@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Sixteen responses to my original post and not one of them
>answers my original question.

Welcome to Usenet, you top-posting luser.

Seth
--
There's no amount of rudeness in the world that can not be
cured by the judicious application of extreme violence. --
Roland Lee

[Seth Breid]

In article <3D86D52D.6D4E6CDA@centurytel.net>,
katra@centurytel.net <katra@centurytel.net> wrote:

>Needless to say, I'm not attempting to squat much weight yet!
>It's not possible without the proper equipment.

I think the record for an unassisted squat is around 500 lbs.

Seth
--
Who cares? Shut up and lift. -- Watson (the pencil neck) Davis

[Watson Dav]

On 16 Oct 2002 01:28:03 -0400, sethb@panix.com (Seth
Breidbart) wrote:

>In article <3D86D52D.6D4E6CDA@centurytel.net>,
>katra@centurytel.net <katra@centurytel.net> wrote:
>
>>Needless to say, I'm not attempting to squat much weight
>>yet! It's not possible without the proper equipment.
>
>I think the record for an unassisted squat is around 500 lbs.

Huh? For what age/sex/weight class?

Watson (the pencil neck) Davis

[Seth Breid]

In article <F3D60F294D41B84F.344E8E50FAF2D417.87E597C96C6-
49DDF@lp.airnews.net>, Watson Davis
<watson@watsonmusic.com> wrote:
>On 16 Oct 2002 01:28:03 -0400, sethb@panix.com (Seth
>Breidbart) wrote:

>>I think the record for an unassisted squat is around
>>500 lbs.
>Huh? For what age/sex/weight class?

Open.

Note that "unassisted" for squats doesn't mean the same thing
as for gym bench presses.

Seth
--
Don't ever masturbate after getting capsaicin on your hands.
-- Patrick Arnold

[Watson Dav]

On 19 Oct 2002 00:47:35 -0400, sethb@panix.com (Seth
Breidbart) wrote:

>In article <F3D60F294D41B84F.344E8E50FAF2D417.87E597C96C6-
>49DDF@lp.airnews.net>, Watson Davis
><watson@watsonmusic.com> wrote:
>>On 16 Oct 2002 01:28:03 -0400, sethb@panix.com (Seth
>>Breidbart) wrote:
>
>>>I think the record for an unassisted squat is around
>>>500 lbs.
>>Huh? For what age/sex/weight class?
>
>Open.
>
>Note that "unassisted" for squats doesn't mean the same thing
>as for gym bench presses.

For women or for men?

In the AAU, the record raw squat for a woman is 441# by
Hembree who
is/was a superheavy in the 40-44 age bracket. The record raw
squat for a 148# man is 501#*. The record squat for a man
is 768# for a superheavy named Nickless.

In the WNPF, the record raw squat for a man is 740# by a man
in the 275's. And the record raw squat for a woman is 463# by
Bussard in the superheavies.

In the AAU, raw means you can wear a belt but not knee wraps.
In the WNPF, I think you can wear a belt AND knee wraps.

There are other raw feds, but I don't have their
addresses handy.

Another thing to consider is that a lot of the stronger
lifters never compete in the raw classes after they get their
feet wet with a few competitions. Burnell is always
threatening to do a raw AAU meet but he always ends up doing
assisted meets. The stronger people want to compete against
the stronger people and most (if not all) of the stronger
people aren't lifting raw.

The WNPF is more of a raw federation and the records are
higher in some of the weight classes. It's also a smaller
federation so there are less lifters overall.

Watson (the pencil neck) Davis

* It's interesting to me that there isn't a big jump in the
weight class raw records in the AAU until you start getting
into the heavier classes. Mike Mastrean (who's a scary
strong lifter) hold's the records for the 198's in the AAU
and it's less than 570#... which isn't that much stronger
than the 148# record.

In the WNPF, the 181# weight class is actually weaker than the
148's and the 165s!

[Skunkhaus]

sethb@panix.com (Seth Breidbart) wrote in message
news:<aoitd3$gpj$1@panix5.panix.com>...
> In article <3D86D52D.6D4E6CDA@centurytel.net>,
> katra@centurytel.net <katra@centurytel.net> wrote:
>
> >Needless to say, I'm not attempting to squat much weight
> >yet! It's not possible without the proper equipment.
>
> I think the record for an unassisted squat is around
> 500 lbs.
>
> Seth

Unassisted = No belt, no suit, no spotters, no rack?

i.e.picking up the bar from the ground, throwing it over
head onto back, squatting to ground and/or parallel and
coming back up?

[Gps]

skunkhaus wrote:
>
> sethb@panix.com (Seth Breidbart) wrote in message
> news:<aoitd3$gpj$1@panix5.panix.com>...
> > In article <3D86D52D.6D4E6CDA@centurytel.net>,
> > katra@centurytel.net <katra@centurytel.net> wrote:
> >
> > >Needless to say, I'm not attempting to squat much weight
> > >yet! It's not possible without the proper equipment.
> >
> > I think the record for an unassisted squat is around
> > 500 lbs.
> >
> > Seth
>
> Unassisted = No belt, no suit, no spotters, no rack?
>
> i.e.picking up the bar from the ground, throwing it over
> head onto back, squatting to ground and/or parallel and
> coming back up?

I think he means more like what Watson said, depending on the
federation, no belt, no suit, no wraps.
ps

[Aaron]

"skunkhaus" <skunkhaus@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:32603d44.0210191210.2694bffd@posting.google.com...
> sethb@panix.com (Seth Breidbart) wrote in message
news:<aoitd3$gpj$1@panix5.panix.com>...
> > In article <3D86D52D.6D4E6CDA@centurytel.net>,
> > katra@centurytel.net <katra@centurytel.net> wrote:
> >
> > >Needless to say, I'm not attempting to squat much weight
> > >yet! It's not possible without the proper equipment.
> >
> > I think the record for an unassisted squat is around
> > 500 lbs.
> >
> > Seth
>
> Unassisted = No belt, no suit, no spotters, no rack?
>
> i.e.picking up the bar from the ground, throwing it over
> head onto back, squatting to ground and/or parallel and
> coming back up?

almost close to a clean, and considering the record is ~260kg

[Seth Breid]

In article <32603d44.0210191210.2694bffd@posting.google.com>,
skunkhaus <skunkhaus@yahoo.com> wrote:
>sethb@panix.com (Seth Breidbart) wrote in message
>news:<aoitd3$gpj$1@panix5.panix.com>...
>> In article <3D86D52D.6D4E6CDA@centurytel.net>,
>> katra@centurytel.net <katra@centurytel.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Needless to say, I'm not attempting to squat much weight
>> >yet! It's not possible without the proper equipment.
>>
>> I think the record for an unassisted squat is around
>> 500 lbs.
>
>Unassisted = No belt, no suit, no spotters, no rack?

That's right.

>i.e.picking up the bar from the ground, throwing it over head
> onto back, squatting to ground and/or parallel and coming
> back up?

Actually, lifting one side of the bar, bending down to get it
on your back, straightening up, then doing a squat.

Seth
--
Note to self: a powerlifting meet is not a recommended taper
for a track event. --Ted K.

[Wayne S. H]

Seth Breidbart wrote:

>>Unassisted = No belt, no suit, no spotters, no rack?
>
> That's right.
>
>>i.e.picking up the bar from the ground, throwing it over
>> head onto back, squatting to ground and/or parallel and
>> coming back up?
>
> Actually, lifting one side of the bar, bending down to get
> it on your back, straightening up, then doing a squat.

With a 7-foot bar?

-Wayne

[Seth Breid]

In article <Xns92AE5F3BF478D8ch@130.133.1.4>, Wayne S. Hill
<hillw4@asme.org> wrote:
>Seth Breidbart wrote:
>
>>>Unassisted = No belt, no suit, no spotters, no rack?
>> That's right.
>>
>>>i.e.picking up the bar from the ground, throwing it over
>>> head onto back, squatting to ground and/or parallel and
>>> coming back up?
>> Actually, lifting one side of the bar, bending down to get
>> it on your back, straightening up, then doing a squat.
>With a 7-foot bar?

I think so; I know I've seen pictures of it, but I can't
remember where. Ironmind possibly.

Seth
--
Who cares? Shut up and lift. -- Watson (the pencil neck) Davis