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John
Sun, Sep-08-02, 13:58
West Nile Virus - A Manufactured Crisis by Lynn Landes
What to do about West Nile? Don't do anything. It has the
smell of a manufactured crisis. The news on West Nile is a
disturbing combination of hype, confusion, distortion, and
omission. Take a look at the Centers for Disease Control (CDC)
website for, "West Nile Virus Update - Current Case Count,"
and you'll see a startling variation in the incidence of West
Nile infections and fatalities from state to state - and even
within the same region. It makes me wonder.
On a daily basis TV reporters raise the alarm and breathlessly
announce new cases of West Nile, but it's hard to tell if
they're talking about fatalities or infections.
We're told that both children and the elderly are most at
risk, when in fact children are the least at risk for the
disease, according to the CDC, but most at risk for the toxic
effects of pesticides and mosquito repellents.
Both the CDC and state public health agencies give out general
information about the number of victims, but not specific data
on individual victims that may shed light on the medical
reality of this so-called crisis.
The virus is characterized as new and dangerous, when it's not
significantly different from viruses that have been in the
United States for decades.
West Nile may be a nasty experience for a very few, fatal for
an exceedingly rare number, but as diseases go...it's no big
deal. There are about 40 different types of mosquitoes that
carry viruses that could cause encephalitis. They're common in
many parts of the U.S. and breed in places like tire dumps.
So what's unique about West Nile? Not much, according to Dr.
Raoult Ratard of the Louisiana Department of Health. He says
that, as it affects humans, West Nile is almost
indistinguishable from the St. Louis virus, which has been in
the U.S. since 1933. Dr. Ratard says that there's no
difference between the two viruses regarding their symptoms or
rates of infection. Less than 1% of persons infected with the
West Nile or St. Louis virus will develop severe illness. On
average, St. Louis causes 128 people to be hospitalized every
year, although in 1964 that figure went as high as 4,478
cases. In fact, the mortality rate for the St. Louis virus is
said to be slightly higher than that for West Nile.
The St. Louis virus is considered a "permanent resident" of
Florida, according to the University of Florida's
Cooperative Extension Service. On their website the
Extension Service even questions the effectiveness of
spraying pesticides, noting that by the time an outbreak has
occurred it's already too late.
Now that's interesting. Florida is a breeding ground for the
St. Louis virus and filled to the gills with the elderly, yet
only one person has been infected with West Nile according to
the CDC, while Louisiana has 205, Mississippi 91, and Illinois
79. Could Florida residents have developed a resistance to
both St. Louis and West Nile virus? Or to mosquitoes in
general? Or is something else going on?
I've been very curious about the alleged victims of West Nile.
So I called the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) for more
information.
Incredibly, the CDC press office claims that they don't have
information on the exact ages or medical conditions of the
alleged fatalities of West Nile, and only the 'mean' age for
cases of infection - 51 years old. And that doesn't really
jive with press reports that describe victims of infection or
fatalities as usually over 70 years of age. The CDC says that
reporters have managed to get some details on the victims, but
not from the CDC.
Call me dumb, but not stupid. How did the CDC get the mean age
of those who got infected if they don't have the individual
ages? There aren't enough cases of West Nile in many states to
establish their own mean. How can the CDC make policy and
state funding decisions for West Nile if they don't have the
basic facts on its so-called victims? How can they inform,
alert, and alarm the public if they're operating in an
information vacuum?
CDC press office told me that I would have to contact the
individual state public health agencies for more information.
So I called Louisiana and New York, but no luck. They also
were not releasing the information I sought.
It seems I'm not alone in my failure. According to the No
Spray Coalition, New York City claimed 7 fatalities to West
Nile in 1999, "Yet to date none of the names or medical
histories of the deceased have been released... Independent
research indicates that all 7 were over 75, one had a serious
heart condition, two had cancer (and heavy chemotherapy), and
all had bad immune systems. No death was histologically
connected with WNV as the cause of death."
Why not release victim information? Could it be that if the
public were to understand that the so-called victims really
had serious underlying medical conditions, that it would put
an end to the panic and an end to the pesticide spraying? I
doubt anyone sprays pesticides for West Nile in Europe,
Africa, Western Asia, or the Middle East where it's common.
Pardon me for being suspicious, but in my mind it's not
surprising that states like Louisiana, Mississippi, and
Illinois are claiming some of the highest rates for West Nile.
They've had a long love affair with the chemical industry.
That cozy relationship could contribute to the high number of
victims in any number of troubling ways.
West Nile is a virus that we will learn to live with and
should refuse to get excited about. What's alarming is a
pesticide industry that does more harm than good, a public
health service that withholds the facts, and a press corps
that seems incapable of asking the tough questions.
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0902-08.htm
Suzee
Sun, Sep-08-02, 20:57
Thank you. It seems the pesticides cause more harm than
the `virus'.
sue
john wrote:
>
> West Nile Virus - A Manufactured Crisis by Lynn Landes
>
> What to do about West Nile? Don't do anything. It has the
> smell of a manufactured crisis. The news on West Nile is a
> disturbing combination of hype, confusion, distortion, and
> omission. Take a look at the Centers for Disease Control
> (CDC) website for, "West Nile Virus Update - Current Case
> Count," and you'll see a startling variation in the
> incidence of West Nile infections and fatalities from
> state to state - and even within the same region. It makes
> me wonder.
>
> On a daily basis TV reporters raise the alarm and
> breathlessly announce new cases of West Nile, but it's hard
> to tell if they're talking about fatalities or infections.
>
> We're told that both children and the elderly are most at
> risk, when in fact children are the least at risk for the
> disease, according to the CDC, but most at risk for the
> toxic effects of pesticides and mosquito repellents.
>
> Both the CDC and state public health agencies give out
> general information about the number of victims, but not
> specific data on individual victims that may shed light on
> the medical reality of this so-called crisis.
>
> The virus is characterized as new and dangerous, when it's
> not significantly different from viruses that have been in
> the United States for decades.
>
> West Nile may be a nasty experience for a very few, fatal
> for an exceedingly rare number, but as diseases go...it's no
> big deal. There are about 40 different types of mosquitoes
> that carry viruses that could cause encephalitis. They're
> common in many parts of the U.S. and breed in places like
> tire dumps.
>
> So what's unique about West Nile? Not much, according to Dr.
> Raoult Ratard of the Louisiana Department of Health. He says
> that, as it affects humans, West Nile is almost
> indistinguishable from the St. Louis virus, which has been
> in the U.S. since 1933. Dr. Ratard says that there's no
> difference between the two viruses regarding their symptoms
> or rates of infection. Less than 1% of persons infected with
> the West Nile or St. Louis virus will develop severe
> illness. On average, St. Louis causes 128 people to be
> hospitalized every year, although in 1964 that figure went
> as high as 4,478 cases. In fact, the mortality rate for the
> St. Louis virus is said to be slightly higher than that for
> West Nile.
>
> The St. Louis virus is considered a "permanent resident" of
> Florida, according to the University of Florida's
> Cooperative Extension Service. On their website the
> Extension Service even questions the effectiveness of
> spraying pesticides, noting that by the time an outbreak has
> occurred it's already too late.
>
> Now that's interesting. Florida is a breeding ground for the
> St. Louis virus and filled to the gills with the elderly,
> yet only one person has been infected with West Nile
> according to the CDC, while Louisiana has 205, Mississippi
> 91, and Illinois 79. Could Florida residents have developed
> a resistance to both St. Louis and West Nile virus? Or to
> mosquitoes in general? Or is something else going on?
>
> I've been very curious about the alleged victims of West
> Nile. So I called the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) for
> more information.
>
> Incredibly, the CDC press office claims that they don't have
> information on the exact ages or medical conditions of the
> alleged fatalities of West Nile, and only the 'mean' age for
> cases of infection - 51 years old. And that doesn't really
> jive with press reports that describe victims of infection
> or fatalities as usually over 70 years of age. The CDC says
> that reporters have managed to get some details on the
> victims, but not from the CDC.
>
> Call me dumb, but not stupid. How did the CDC get the mean
> age of those who got infected if they don't have the
> individual ages? There aren't enough cases of West Nile in
> many states to establish their own mean. How can the CDC
> make policy and state funding decisions for West Nile if
> they don't have the basic facts on its so-called victims?
> How can they inform, alert, and alarm the public if they're
> operating in an information vacuum?
>
> CDC press office told me that I would have to contact the
> individual state public health agencies for more
> information. So I called Louisiana and New York, but no
> luck. They also were not releasing the information I sought.
>
> It seems I'm not alone in my failure. According to the No
> Spray Coalition, New York City claimed 7 fatalities to West
> Nile in 1999, "Yet to date none of the names or medical
> histories of the deceased have been released... Independent
> research indicates that all 7 were over 75, one had a
> serious heart condition, two had cancer (and heavy
> chemotherapy), and all had bad immune systems. No death was
> histologically connected with WNV as the cause of death."
>
> Why not release victim information? Could it be that if the
> public were to understand that the so-called victims really
> had serious underlying medical conditions, that it would put
> an end to the panic and an end to the pesticide spraying? I
> doubt anyone sprays pesticides for West Nile in Europe,
> Africa, Western Asia, or the Middle East where it's common.
>
> Pardon me for being suspicious, but in my mind it's not
> surprising that states like Louisiana, Mississippi, and
> Illinois are claiming some of the highest rates for West
> Nile. They've had a long love affair with the chemical
> industry. That cozy relationship could contribute to the
> high number of victims in any number of troubling ways.
>
> West Nile is a virus that we will learn to live with and
> should refuse to get excited about. What's alarming is a
> pesticide industry that does more harm than good, a public
> health service that withholds the facts, and a press corps
> that seems incapable of asking the tough questions.
>
> http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0902-08.htm
Sky-Hi
Sun, Sep-08-02, 20:57
I appreciate your point of view and all of the work you've
done to uncover the facts about WNV.
Here's my concern, based on limited knowledge: Viruses are not
necessarily benign. Once they find a home in your body they
can stay there for life. Warts are an example. Viruses are
capable of modifying your DNA. It seems likely that some
chronic diseases like MS may originate with virus infections.
So, although a virus may not cause an immediate life
threatening disease, it may contribute to serious illness in
the future.
On Sun, 8 Sep 2002 17:58:04 +0000 (UTC), "john"
<vaccinfo@nospam.com> wrote:
>West Nile Virus - A Manufactured Crisis by Lynn Landes
>
>What to do about West Nile? Don't do anything. It has the
>smell of a manufactured crisis. The news on West Nile is a
>disturbing combination of hype, confusion, distortion, and
>omission. Take a look at the Centers for Disease Control
>(CDC) website for, "West Nile Virus Update - Current Case
>Count," and you'll see a startling variation in the incidence
>of West Nile infections and fatalities from state to state -
>and even within the same region. It makes me wonder.
>
>On a daily basis TV reporters raise the alarm and
>breathlessly announce new cases of West Nile, but it's hard
>to tell if they're talking about fatalities or infections.
>
>We're told that both children and the elderly are most at
>risk, when in fact children are the least at risk for the
>disease, according to the CDC, but most at risk for the toxic
>effects of pesticides and mosquito repellents.
>
>Both the CDC and state public health agencies give out
>general information about the number of victims, but not
>specific data on individual victims that may shed light on
>the medical reality of this so-called crisis.
>
>The virus is characterized as new and dangerous, when it's
>not significantly different from viruses that have been in
>the United States for decades.
>
>West Nile may be a nasty experience for a very few, fatal
>for an exceedingly rare number, but as diseases go...it's no
>big deal. There are about 40 different types of mosquitoes
>that carry viruses that could cause encephalitis. They're
>common in many parts of the U.S. and breed in places like
>tire dumps.
>
>So what's unique about West Nile? Not much, according to Dr.
>Raoult Ratard of the Louisiana Department of Health. He says
>that, as it affects humans, West Nile is almost
>indistinguishable from the St. Louis virus, which has been in
>the U.S. since 1933. Dr. Ratard says that there's no
>difference between the two viruses regarding their symptoms
>or rates of infection. Less than 1% of persons infected with
>the West Nile or St. Louis virus will develop severe illness.
>On average, St. Louis causes 128 people to be hospitalized
>every year, although in 1964 that figure went as high as
>4,478 cases. In fact, the mortality rate for the St. Louis
>virus is said to be slightly higher than that for West Nile.
>
>The St. Louis virus is considered a "permanent resident" of
>Florida, according to the University of Florida's Cooperative
>Extension Service. On their website the Extension Service
>even questions the effectiveness of spraying pesticides,
>noting that by the time an outbreak has occurred it's already
>too late.
>
>Now that's interesting. Florida is a breeding ground for the
>St. Louis virus and filled to the gills with the elderly, yet
>only one person has been infected with West Nile according to
>the CDC, while Louisiana has 205, Mississippi 91, and
>Illinois 79. Could Florida residents have developed a
>resistance to both St. Louis and West Nile virus? Or to
>mosquitoes in general? Or is something else going on?
>
>I've been very curious about the alleged victims of West
>Nile. So I called the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) for
>more information.
>
>Incredibly, the CDC press office claims that they don't have
>information on the exact ages or medical conditions of the
>alleged fatalities of West Nile, and only the 'mean' age for
>cases of infection - 51 years old. And that doesn't really
>jive with press reports that describe victims of infection or
>fatalities as usually over 70 years of age. The CDC says that
>reporters have managed to get some details on the victims,
>but not from the CDC.
>
>Call me dumb, but not stupid. How did the CDC get the mean
>age of those who got infected if they don't have the
>individual ages? There aren't enough cases of West Nile in
>many states to establish their own mean. How can the CDC make
>policy and state funding decisions for West Nile if they
>don't have the basic facts on its so-called victims? How can
>they inform, alert, and alarm the public if they're operating
>in an information vacuum?
>
>CDC press office told me that I would have to contact the
>individual state public health agencies for more information.
>So I called Louisiana and New York, but no luck. They also
>were not releasing the information I sought.
>
>It seems I'm not alone in my failure. According to the No
>Spray Coalition, New York City claimed 7 fatalities to West
>Nile in 1999, "Yet to date none of the names or medical
>histories of the deceased have been released... Independent
>research indicates that all 7 were over 75, one had a serious
>heart condition, two had cancer (and heavy chemotherapy), and
>all had bad immune systems. No death was histologically
>connected with WNV as the cause of death."
>
>Why not release victim information? Could it be that if the
>public were to understand that the so-called victims really
>had serious underlying medical conditions, that it would put
>an end to the panic and an end to the pesticide spraying? I
>doubt anyone sprays pesticides for West Nile in Europe,
>Africa, Western Asia, or the Middle East where it's common.
>
>Pardon me for being suspicious, but in my mind it's not
>surprising that states like Louisiana, Mississippi, and
>Illinois are claiming some of the highest rates for West
>Nile. They've had a long love affair with the chemical
>industry. That cozy relationship could contribute to the high
>number of victims in any number of troubling ways.
>
>West Nile is a virus that we will learn to live with and
>should refuse to get excited about. What's alarming is a
>pesticide industry that does more harm than good, a public
>health service that withholds the facts, and a press corps
>that seems incapable of asking the tough questions.
>
>http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0902-08.htm
Hua Kul
Sun, Sep-08-02, 23:56
"john" <vaccinfo@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:<alg33b$971$1@paris.btinternet.com>...
> West Nile Virus - A Manufactured Crisis by Lynn Landes
>
> <snip> According to the No Spray Coalition, New York City
> claimed 7 fatalities to West Nile in 1999, "Yet to date none
> of the names or medical histories of the deceased have been
> released... Independent research indicates that all 7 were
> over 75, one had a serious heart condition, two had cancer
> (and heavy chemotherapy), and all had bad immune systems. No
> death was histologically connected with WNV as the cause of
> death." <snip>
I think one's opinion of the risk depends on whether or not
one has died of the virus. http://www.cleveland.com/westnile/-
index.ssf?/westnile/more/103044067766610.html
=============================================================
West Nile kills local man
08/27/02 Roger Mezger Plain Dealer Reporter
A 75-year-old Cleveland man has become the first person in
Northeast Ohio and the second in the state to die of West Nile
virus infection.
Word of his death came yesterday as Cuyahoga County health
officials reported two more West Nile cases, bringing the
county total to 14. Statewide, 23 Ohioans have been diagnosed
with the disease.
The man, who lived in Cleveland's Old Brooklyn neighborhood on
the West Side, died about 10 p.m. Sunday, said Matt Carroll,
the city's acting health director. Although Carroll declined
to release the man's name or the name of his hospital, family
members identified him as James L. Cogar.
"He was a very healthy man, very active," said Margaret Cogar,
his daughter-in-law. "He was very much into his family. It is
a very close family."
Cogar was a father of eight. He had two step-children and more
than three dozen grandchildren and great-grandchildren...
==================================================================
There is some risk in pesticide exposure, but this appears to
be mainly due to long term exposure of women. The cytochrome
P450 enzyme does an excellent job of detoxifying the liver
after pesticide exposure, but the enzyme lasts quite a while
after the poison is gone. During this time it will modify
estrogen and the resulting metabolites may cause breast cancer
after long term exposure. Women with continual exposure to
gasoline and some pesticides have an increased incidence of
breast cancer. One time spraying may not have a serious
consequence for most people. It probably will not kill as many
as will die from the virus.
--Hua Kul
David Wrig
Sun, Sep-08-02, 23:56
In article <3D7BE410.5E68@nidlink.com>, suzee
<qiuser@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Thank you. It seems the pesticides cause more harm than
>the `virus'.
>
You don't know much about John, do you?
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I have
not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders."
>john wrote:
>>
>> West Nile Virus - A Manufactured Crisis by Lynn Landes
>>
>> What to do about West Nile? Don't do anything. It has the
>> smell of a manufactured crisis. The news on West Nile is a
>> disturbing combination of hype, confusion, distortion, and
>> omission. Take a look at the Centers for Disease Control
>> (CDC) website for, "West Nile Virus Update - Current Case
>> Count," and you'll see a startling variation in the
>> incidence of West Nile infections and fatalities from state
>> to state - and even within the same region. It makes me
>> wonder.
>>
>> On a daily basis TV reporters raise the alarm and
>> breathlessly announce new cases of West Nile, but it's hard
>> to tell if they're talking about fatalities or infections.
>>
>> We're told that both children and the elderly are most at
>> risk, when in fact children are the least at risk for the
>> disease, according to the CDC, but most at risk for the
>> toxic effects of pesticides and mosquito repellents.
>>
>> Both the CDC and state public health agencies give out
>> general information about the number of victims, but not
>> specific data on individual victims that may shed light on
>> the medical reality of this so-called crisis.
>>
>> The virus is characterized as new and dangerous, when it's
>> not significantly different from viruses that have been in
>> the United States for decades.
>>
>> West Nile may be a nasty experience for a very few, fatal
>> for an exceedingly rare number, but as diseases go...it's
>> no big deal. There are about 40 different types of
>> mosquitoes that carry viruses that could cause
>> encephalitis. They're common in many parts of the U.S. and
>> breed in places like tire dumps.
>>
>> So what's unique about West Nile? Not much, according to
>> Dr. Raoult Ratard of the Louisiana Department of Health. He
>> says that, as it affects humans, West Nile is almost
>> indistinguishable from the St. Louis virus, which has been
>> in the U.S. since 1933. Dr. Ratard says that there's no
>> difference between the two viruses regarding their symptoms
>> or rates of infection. Less than 1% of persons infected
>> with the West Nile or St. Louis virus will develop severe
>> illness. On average, St. Louis causes 128 people to be
>> hospitalized every year, although in 1964 that figure went
>> as high as 4,478 cases. In fact, the mortality rate for the
>> St. Louis virus is said to be slightly higher than that for
>> West Nile.
>>
>> The St. Louis virus is considered a "permanent resident" of
>> Florida, according to the University of Florida's
>> Cooperative Extension Service. On their website the
>> Extension Service even questions the effectiveness of
>> spraying pesticides, noting that by the time an outbreak
>> has occurred it's already too late.
>>
>> Now that's interesting. Florida is a breeding ground for
>> the St. Louis virus and filled to the gills with the
>> elderly, yet only one person has been infected with West
>> Nile according to the CDC, while Louisiana has 205,
>> Mississippi 91, and Illinois 79. Could Florida residents
>> have developed a resistance to both St. Louis and West Nile
>> virus? Or to mosquitoes in general? Or is something else
>> going on?
>>
>> I've been very curious about the alleged victims of West
>> Nile. So I called the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) for
>> more information.
>>
>> Incredibly, the CDC press office claims that they don't
>> have information on the exact ages or medical conditions of
>> the alleged fatalities of West Nile, and only the 'mean'
>> age for cases of infection - 51 years old. And that doesn't
>> really jive with press reports that describe victims of
>> infection or fatalities as usually over 70 years of age.
>> The CDC says that reporters have managed to get some
>> details on the victims, but not from the CDC.
>>
>> Call me dumb, but not stupid. How did the CDC get the mean
>> age of those who got infected if they don't have the
>> individual ages? There aren't enough cases of West Nile in
>> many states to establish their own mean. How can the CDC
>> make policy and state funding decisions for West Nile if
>> they don't have the basic facts on its so-called victims?
>> How can they inform, alert, and alarm the public if they're
>> operating in an information vacuum?
>>
>> CDC press office told me that I would have to contact the
>> individual state public health agencies for more
>> information. So I called Louisiana and New York, but no
>> luck. They also were not releasing the information I
>> sought.
>>
>> It seems I'm not alone in my failure. According to the No
>> Spray Coalition, New York City claimed 7 fatalities to West
>> Nile in 1999, "Yet to date none of the names or medical
>> histories of the deceased have been released... Independent
>> research indicates that all 7 were over 75, one had a
>> serious heart condition, two had cancer (and heavy
>> chemotherapy), and all had bad immune systems. No death was
>> histologically connected with WNV as the cause of death."
>>
>> Why not release victim information? Could it be that if the
>> public were to understand that the so-called victims really
>> had serious underlying medical conditions, that it would
>> put an end to the panic and an end to the pesticide
>> spraying? I doubt anyone sprays pesticides for West Nile in
>> Europe, Africa, Western Asia, or the Middle East where it's
>> common.
>>
>> Pardon me for being suspicious, but in my mind it's not
>> surprising that states like Louisiana, Mississippi, and
>> Illinois are claiming some of the highest rates for West
>> Nile. They've had a long love affair with the chemical
>> industry. That cozy relationship could contribute to the
>> high number of victims in any number of troubling ways.
>>
>> West Nile is a virus that we will learn to live with and
>> should refuse to get excited about. What's alarming is a
>> pesticide industry that does more harm than good, a public
>> health service that withholds the facts, and a press corps
>> that seems incapable of asking the tough questions.
>>
>> http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0902-08.htm
Suzee
Sun, Sep-08-02, 23:56
David Wright wrote:
>
> In article <3D7BE410.5E68@nidlink.com>, suzee
> <qiuser@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >Thank you. It seems the pesticides cause more harm than the
> >`virus'.
> >
>
> You don't know much about John, do you?
Enough that I tend to agree with his views.
sue
David Wrig
Sun, Sep-08-02, 23:56
In article <3D7C1F90.7D65@nidlink.com>, suzee
<qiuser@yahoo.com> wrote:
>David Wright wrote:
>>
>> In article <3D7BE410.5E68@nidlink.com>, suzee
>> <qiuser@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >Thank you. It seems the pesticides cause more harm than
>> >the `virus'.
>> >
>>
>> You don't know much about John, do you?
>
>Enough that I tend to agree with his views.
Having seen a number of your postings, I'm not surprised.
-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my
opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "If I have
not seen as far as others, it is because giants were
standing on my shoulders."
Justin
Mon, Sep-09-02, 06:56
Well, ever since the Aswan Dam was put up- instead of the
usual 100 killed each year by the Nile flooding, 10000+ die
from the diseases of the stagnant Nile. The Nile isn't flushed
with new silt each year but instead moves slowly and all the
animal and human waste remains. In America most of us don't
live in those kinds of conditions so we're not as susceptible
to the West Nile Virus. Since thousands die of it each year in
the Nile the media thought it would happen here but in
actuality people of the Nile are dying also of unhealthy
conditions. I hope one day they'll decommission the Aswan Dam
or at least part of it then people can thrive all the way
along it as they once did. If you eat healthy and stay out of
stagnant conditions I think the West Nile Virus will have
nothing on you.
"john" <vaccinfo@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:alg33b$971$1@paris.btinternet.com...
> West Nile Virus - A Manufactured Crisis by Lynn Landes
>
> What to do about West Nile? Don't do anything. It has the
> smell of a manufactured crisis. The news on West Nile is a
> disturbing combination of hype, confusion, distortion, and
> omission. Take a look at the Centers for Disease Control
> (CDC) website for, "West Nile Virus Update - Current Case
> Count," and you'll see a startling variation in the
> incidence of West Nile infections and fatalities from
> state to state - and even within the same region. It makes
> me wonder.
>
> On a daily basis TV reporters raise the alarm and
> breathlessly announce
new
> cases of West Nile, but it's hard to tell if they're talking
> about fatalities or infections.
>
> We're told that both children and the elderly are most at
> risk, when in
fact
> children are the least at risk for the disease, according to
> the CDC, but most at risk for the toxic effects of
> pesticides and mosquito repellents.
>
> Both the CDC and state public health agencies give out
> general information about the number of victims, but not
> specific data on individual victims that may shed light on
> the medical reality of this so-called crisis.
>
> The virus is characterized as new and dangerous, when
> it's not
significantly
> different from viruses that have been in the United States
> for decades.
>
> West Nile may be a nasty experience for a very few,
> fatal for an
exceedingly
> rare number, but as diseases go...it's no big deal. There
> are about 40 different types of mosquitoes that carry
> viruses that could cause encephalitis. They're common in
> many parts of the U.S. and breed in places like tire dumps.
>
> So what's unique about West Nile? Not much, according to Dr.
> Raoult Ratard of the Louisiana Department of Health. He says
> that, as it affects humans, West Nile is almost
> indistinguishable from the St. Louis virus, which has been
> in the U.S. since 1933. Dr. Ratard says that there's no
> difference between the two viruses regarding their symptoms
> or rates of infection.
Less
> than 1% of persons infected with the West Nile or St. Louis
> virus will develop severe illness. On average, St. Louis
> causes 128 people to be hospitalized every year, although in
> 1964 that figure went as high as
4,478
> cases. In fact, the mortality rate for the St. Louis virus
> is said to be slightly higher than that for West Nile.
>
> The St. Louis virus is considered a "permanent resident" of
> Florida, according to the University of Florida's
> Cooperative Extension Service. On their website the
> Extension Service even questions the effectiveness of
> spraying pesticides, noting that by the time an outbreak has
> occurred it's already too late.
>
> Now that's interesting. Florida is a breeding ground for the
> St. Louis
virus
> and filled to the gills with the elderly, yet only one
> person has been infected with West Nile according to the
> CDC, while Louisiana has 205, Mississippi 91, and Illinois
> 79. Could Florida residents have developed a resistance to
> both St. Louis and West Nile virus? Or to mosquitoes in
> general? Or is something else going on?
>
> I've been very curious about the alleged victims of West
> Nile. So I called the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) for
> more information.
>
> Incredibly, the CDC press office claims that they don't have
> information
on
> the exact ages or medical conditions of the alleged
> fatalities of West
Nile,
> and only the 'mean' age for cases of infection - 51 years
> old. And that doesn't really jive with press reports that
> describe victims of infection
or
> fatalities as usually over 70 years of age. The CDC says
> that reporters
have
> managed to get some details on the victims, but not from
> the CDC.
>
> Call me dumb, but not stupid. How did the CDC get the mean
> age of those
who
> got infected if they don't have the individual ages? There
> aren't enough cases of West Nile in many states to establish
> their own mean. How can the CDC make policy and state
> funding decisions for West Nile if they don't
have
> the basic facts on its so-called victims? How can they
> inform, alert, and alarm the public if they're operating in
> an information vacuum?
>
> CDC press office told me that I would have to contact the
> individual state public health agencies for more
> information. So I called Louisiana and New York, but no
> luck. They also were not releasing the information I sought.
>
> It seems I'm not alone in my failure. According to the No
> Spray Coalition, New York City claimed 7 fatalities to West
> Nile in 1999, "Yet to date none of the names or medical
> histories of the deceased have been released... Independent
> research indicates that all 7 were over 75, one had a
> serious heart condition, two had cancer (and heavy
> chemotherapy), and all had bad immune systems. No death was
> histologically connected with WNV as the
cause
> of death."
>
> Why not release victim information? Could it be that if the
> public were to understand that the so-called victims really
> had serious underlying
medical
> conditions, that it would put an end to the panic and an end
> to the pesticide spraying? I doubt anyone sprays pesticides
> for West Nile in Europe, Africa, Western Asia, or the Middle
> East where it's common.
>
> Pardon me for being suspicious, but in my mind it's not
> surprising that states like Louisiana, Mississippi, and
> Illinois are claiming some of the highest rates for West
> Nile. They've had a long love affair with the chemical
> industry. That cozy relationship could contribute to the
> high number of victims in any number of troubling ways.
>
> West Nile is a virus that we will learn to live with and
> should refuse to get excited about. What's alarming is a
> pesticide industry that does more harm than good, a public
> health service that withholds the facts, and a press corps
> that seems incapable of asking the tough questions.
>
> http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0902-08.htm
John 'The
Mon, Sep-09-02, 06:56
>> What to do about West Nile? Don't do anything. It has the
>> smell of a manufactured crisis. The news on West Nile is a
>> disturbing combination of hype, confusion, distortion, and
>> omission. Take a look at the Centers for Disease Control
>> (CDC) website for, "West Nile Virus Update - Current Case
>> Count," and you'll see a startling variation in the
>> incidence of West Nile infections and fatalities from state
>> to state - and even within the same region. It makes me
>> wonder.
This is the anniversary of 911: The World Trade Center
bombing, remember?
And, the big news story last year that drowned out all the
health news was Anthrax! This year the news story is West
Nile Virus. The more things change the more they remain
the same. :-(
--
John Gohde, Achieving good Health is an Art, NOT a Science!
http://NaturalHealthPerspective.com/ The ONLY Frauds in Health
are those who couldn't care less about prevention. Beware of
anybody who brags about eating a lousy diet, eating
crispbread, being overweight, or about smoking!
Mark Probe
Mon, Sep-09-02, 13:58
"Justin" <reply@newsgroup.instead.com> wrote in message
news:pqWe9.252777$aA.44247@sccrnsc02...
> Well, ever since the Aswan Dam was put up- instead of the
> usual 100 killed each year by the Nile flooding, 10000+ die
> from the diseases of the
stagnant
> Nile. The Nile isn't flushed with new silt each year but
> instead moves slowly and all the animal and human waste
> remains. In America most of us don't live in those kinds of
> conditions so we're not as susceptible to the West Nile
> Virus. Since thousands die of it each year in the Nile the
media
> thought it would happen here but in actuality people of the
> Nile are dying also of unhealthy conditions. I hope one day
> they'll decommission the
Aswan
> Dam or at least part of it then people can thrive all the
> way along it as they once did. If you eat healthy and stay
> out of stagnant conditions I think the West Nile Virus will
> have nothing on you.
You think wrong.
> "john" <vaccinfo@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:alg33b$971$1@paris.btinternet.com...
> > West Nile Virus - A Manufactured Crisis by Lynn Landes
> >
> > What to do about West Nile? Don't do anything. It has the
> > smell of a manufactured crisis. The news on West Nile is a
> > disturbing combination
of
> > hype, confusion, distortion, and omission. Take a look at
> > the Centers
for
> > Disease Control (CDC) website for, "West Nile Virus Update
> > - Current
Case
> > Count," and you'll see a startling variation in the
> > incidence of West
Nile
> > infections and fatalities from state to state - and even
> > within the same region. It makes me wonder.
> >
> > On a daily basis TV reporters raise the alarm and
> > breathlessly announce
> new
> > cases of West Nile, but it's hard to tell if they're
> > talking about fatalities or infections.
> >
> > We're told that both children and the elderly are most at
> > risk, when in
> fact
> > children are the least at risk for the disease, according
> > to the CDC,
but
> > most at risk for the toxic effects of pesticides and
> > mosquito
repellents.
> >
> > Both the CDC and state public health agencies give out
> > general
information
> > about the number of victims, but not specific data on
> > individual victims that may shed light on the medical
> > reality of this so-called crisis.
> >
> > The virus is characterized as new and dangerous, when
> > it's not
> significantly
> > different from viruses that have been in the United States
> > for decades.
> >
> > West Nile may be a nasty experience for a very few, fatal
> > for an
> exceedingly
> > rare number, but as diseases go...it's no big deal. There
> > are about 40 different types of mosquitoes that carry
> > viruses that could cause encephalitis. They're common in
> > many parts of the U.S. and breed in
places
> > like tire dumps.
> >
> > So what's unique about West Nile? Not much, according to
> > Dr. Raoult
Ratard
> > of the Louisiana Department of Health. He says that, as it
> > affects
humans,
> > West Nile is almost indistinguishable from the St. Louis
> > virus, which
has
> > been in the U.S. since 1933. Dr. Ratard says that there's
> > no difference between the two viruses regarding their
> > symptoms or rates of infection.
> Less
> > than 1% of persons infected with the West Nile or St.
> > Louis virus will develop severe illness. On average, St.
> > Louis causes 128 people to be hospitalized every year,
> > although in 1964 that figure went as high as
> 4,478
> > cases. In fact, the mortality rate for the St. Louis virus
> > is said to be slightly higher than that for West Nile.
> >
> > The St. Louis virus is considered a "permanent resident"
> > of Florida, according to the University of Florida's
> > Cooperative Extension Service.
On
> > their website the Extension Service even questions the
> > effectiveness of spraying pesticides, noting that by the
> > time an outbreak has occurred
it's
> > already too late.
> >
> > Now that's interesting. Florida is a breeding ground for
> > the St. Louis
> virus
> > and filled to the gills with the elderly, yet only one
> > person has been infected with West Nile according to the
> > CDC, while Louisiana has 205, Mississippi 91, and Illinois
> > 79. Could Florida residents have developed
a
> > resistance to both St. Louis and West Nile virus? Or to
> > mosquitoes in general? Or is something else going on?
> >
> > I've been very curious about the alleged victims of West
> > Nile. So I
called
> > the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) for more
> > information.
> >
> > Incredibly, the CDC press office claims that they don't
> > have information
> on
> > the exact ages or medical conditions of the alleged
> > fatalities of West
> Nile,
> > and only the 'mean' age for cases of infection - 51 years
> > old. And that doesn't really jive with press reports that
> > describe victims of
infection
> or
> > fatalities as usually over 70 years of age. The CDC says
> > that reporters
> have
> > managed to get some details on the victims, but not from
> > the CDC.
> >
> > Call me dumb, but not stupid. How did the CDC get the mean
> > age of those
> who
> > got infected if they don't have the individual ages? There
> > aren't enough cases of West Nile in many states to
> > establish their own mean. How can
the
> > CDC make policy and state funding decisions for West Nile
> > if they don't
> have
> > the basic facts on its so-called victims? How can they
> > inform, alert,
and
> > alarm the public if they're operating in an information
> > vacuum?
> >
> > CDC press office told me that I would have to contact the
> > individual
state
> > public health agencies for more information. So I called
> > Louisiana and
New
> > York, but no luck. They also were not releasing the
> > information I
sought.
> >
> > It seems I'm not alone in my failure. According to the
> > No Spray
Coalition,
> > New York City claimed 7 fatalities to West Nile in 1999,
> > "Yet to date
none
> > of the names or medical histories of the deceased have
> > been released... Independent research indicates that all 7
> > were over 75, one had a
serious
> > heart condition, two had cancer (and heavy chemotherapy),
> > and all had
bad
> > immune systems. No death was histologically connected with
> > WNV as the
> cause
> > of death."
> >
> > Why not release victim information? Could it be that if
> > the public were
to
> > understand that the so-called victims really had serious
> > underlying
> medical
> > conditions, that it would put an end to the panic and an
> > end to the pesticide spraying? I doubt anyone sprays
> > pesticides for West Nile in Europe, Africa, Western Asia,
> > or the Middle East where it's common.
> >
> > Pardon me for being suspicious, but in my mind it's not
> > surprising that states like Louisiana, Mississippi, and
> > Illinois are claiming some of
the
> > highest rates for West Nile. They've had a long love
> > affair with the chemical industry. That cozy relationship
> > could contribute to the high number of victims in any
> > number of troubling ways.
> >
> > West Nile is a virus that we will learn to live with and
> > should refuse
to
> > get excited about. What's alarming is a pesticide industry
> > that does
more
> > harm than good, a public health service that withholds the
> > facts, and a press corps that seems incapable of asking
> > the tough questions.
> >
> > http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0902-08.htm
> >
>
Justin
Mon, Sep-09-02, 13:58
> You think wrong.
What worthwhile reading. Still on the top of your game
old-boy?
Mark Probe
Mon, Sep-09-02, 13:58
"suzee" <suzeeq@nidlink.com> wrote in message
news:3D7C1F90.7D65@nidlink.com...
> David Wright wrote:
> >
> > In article <3D7BE410.5E68@nidlink.com>, suzee
> > <qiuser@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >Thank you. It seems the pesticides cause more harm than
> > >the `virus'.
> > >
> >
> > You don't know much about John, do you?
>
> Enough that I tend to agree with his views.
Is that a side effect of a lobotomy?
Jim Boy
Mon, Sep-09-02, 20:57
We need a vaccine and everybody should take it.
john wrote:
> West Nile Virus - A Manufactured Crisis by Lynn Landes
>
> What to do about West Nile? Don't do anything. It has the
> smell of a manufactured crisis. The news on West Nile is a
> disturbing combination of hype, confusion, distortion, and
> omission. Take a look at the Centers for Disease Control
> (CDC) website for, "West Nile Virus Update - Current Case
> Count," and you'll see a startling variation in the
> incidence of West Nile infections and fatalities from
> state to state - and even within the same region. It makes
> me wonder.
>
> On a daily basis TV reporters raise the alarm and
> breathlessly announce new cases of West Nile, but it's hard
> to tell if they're talking about fatalities or infections.
>
> We're told that both children and the elderly are most at
> risk, when in fact children are the least at risk for the
> disease, according to the CDC, but most at risk for the
> toxic effects of pesticides and mosquito repellents.
>
> Both the CDC and state public health agencies give out
> general information about the number of victims, but not
> specific data on individual victims that may shed light on
> the medical reality of this so-called crisis.
>
> The virus is characterized as new and dangerous, when it's
> not significantly different from viruses that have been in
> the United States for decades.
>
> West Nile may be a nasty experience for a very few, fatal
> for an exceedingly rare number, but as diseases go...it's no
> big deal. There are about 40 different types of mosquitoes
> that carry viruses that could cause encephalitis. They're
> common in many parts of the U.S. and breed in places like
> tire dumps.
>
> So what's unique about West Nile? Not much, according to Dr.
> Raoult Ratard of the Louisiana Department of Health. He says
> that, as it affects humans, West Nile is almost
> indistinguishable from the St. Louis virus, which has been
> in the U.S. since 1933. Dr. Ratard says that there's no
> difference between the two viruses regarding their symptoms
> or rates of infection. Less than 1% of persons infected with
> the West Nile or St. Louis virus will develop severe
> illness. On average, St. Louis causes 128 people to be
> hospitalized every year, although in 1964 that figure went
> as high as 4,478 cases. In fact, the mortality rate for the
> St. Louis virus is said to be slightly higher than that for
> West Nile.
>
> The St. Louis virus is considered a "permanent resident" of
> Florida, according to the University of Florida's
> Cooperative Extension Service. On their website the
> Extension Service even questions the effectiveness of
> spraying pesticides, noting that by the time an outbreak has
> occurred it's already too late.
>
> Now that's interesting. Florida is a breeding ground for the
> St. Louis virus and filled to the gills with the elderly,
> yet only one person has been infected with West Nile
> according to the CDC, while Louisiana has 205, Mississippi
> 91, and Illinois 79. Could Florida residents have developed
> a resistance to both St. Louis and West Nile virus? Or to
> mosquitoes in general? Or is something else going on?
>
> I've been very curious about the alleged victims of West
> Nile. So I called the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) for
> more information.
>
> Incredibly, the CDC press office claims that they don't have
> information on the exact ages or medical conditions of the
> alleged fatalities of West Nile, and only the 'mean' age for
> cases of infection - 51 years old. And that doesn't really
> jive with press reports that describe victims of infection
> or fatalities as usually over 70 years of age. The CDC says
> that reporters have managed to get some details on the
> victims, but not from the CDC.
>
> Call me dumb, but not stupid. How did the CDC get the mean
> age of those who got infected if they don't have the
> individual ages? There aren't enough cases of West Nile in
> many states to establish their own mean. How can the CDC
> make policy and state funding decisions for West Nile if
> they don't have the basic facts on its so-called victims?
> How can they inform, alert, and alarm the public if they're
> operating in an information vacuum?
>
> CDC press office told me that I would have to contact the
> individual state public health agencies for more
> information. So I called Louisiana and New York, but no
> luck. They also were not releasing the information I sought.
>
> It seems I'm not alone in my failure. According to the No
> Spray Coalition, New York City claimed 7 fatalities to West
> Nile in 1999, "Yet to date none of the names or medical
> histories of the deceased have been released... Independent
> research indicates that all 7 were over 75, one had a
> serious heart condition, two had cancer (and heavy
> chemotherapy), and all had bad immune systems. No death was
> histologically connected with WNV as the cause of death."
>
> Why not release victim information? Could it be that if the
> public were to understand that the so-called victims really
> had serious underlying medical conditions, that it would put
> an end to the panic and an end to the pesticide spraying? I
> doubt anyone sprays pesticides for West Nile in Europe,
> Africa, Western Asia, or the Middle East where it's common.
>
> Pardon me for being suspicious, but in my mind it's not
> surprising that states like Louisiana, Mississippi, and
> Illinois are claiming some of the highest rates for West
> Nile. They've had a long love affair with the chemical
> industry. That cozy relationship could contribute to the
> high number of victims in any number of troubling ways.
>
> West Nile is a virus that we will learn to live with and
> should refuse to get excited about. What's alarming is a
> pesticide industry that does more harm than good, a public
> health service that withholds the facts, and a press corps
> that seems incapable of asking the tough questions.
>
> http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0902-08.htm
Suzee
Mon, Sep-09-02, 20:57
John 'the Man' wrote:
> And, the big news story last year that drowned out all the
> health news was Anthrax! This year the news story is West
> Nile Virus. The more things change the more they remain the
> same. :-(
Well, one thing we can agree on.....
sue
Mark Probe
Mon, Sep-09-02, 20:57
"Justin" <reply@newsgroup.instead.com> wrote in message
news:Y62f9.418613$UU1.65920@sccrnsc03...
>
> > You think wrong.
>
> What worthwhile reading. Still on the top of your game
> old-boy?
I gave him the benefit of the doubt and presumed he thought. I
won't give you the same benefit.
Suzee
Mon, Sep-09-02, 20:58
Mark Probert wrote:
>
> "suzee" <suzeeq@nidlink.com> wrote in message
> news:3D7C1F90.7D65@nidlink.com...
> > David Wright wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <3D7BE410.5E68@nidlink.com>, suzee
> > > <qiuser@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >Thank you. It seems the pesticides cause more harm than
> > > >the `virus'.
> > > >
> > >
> > > You don't know much about John, do you?
> >
> > Enough that I tend to agree with his views.
>
> Is that a side effect of a lobotomy?
Wouldn't know....
Sky-Hi
Mon, Sep-09-02, 23:56
On Mon, 09 Sep 2002 12:00:22 -0700, Jim Boy
<Jimmytime@hotmail.com> wrote:
>We need a vaccine and everybody should take it.
I read that some people (maybe most) are not susceptible to
WNV because of their genes.
>john wrote:
>
>> West Nile Virus - A Manufactured Crisis by Lynn Landes
>>
>> What to do about West Nile? Don't do anything. It has the
>> smell of a manufactured crisis. The news on West Nile is a
>> disturbing combination of hype, confusion, distortion, and
>> omission. Take a look at the Centers for Disease Control
>> (CDC) website for, "West Nile Virus Update - Current Case
>> Count," and you'll see a startling variation in the
>> incidence of West Nile infections and fatalities from state
>> to state - and even within the same region. It makes me
>> wonder.
>>
>> On a daily basis TV reporters raise the alarm and
>> breathlessly announce new cases of West Nile, but it's hard
>> to tell if they're talking about fatalities or infections.
>>
>> We're told that both children and the elderly are most at
>> risk, when in fact children are the least at risk for the
>> disease, according to the CDC, but most at risk for the
>> toxic effects of pesticides and mosquito repellents.
>>
>> Both the CDC and state public health agencies give out
>> general information about the number of victims, but not
>> specific data on individual victims that may shed light on
>> the medical reality of this so-called crisis.
>>
>> The virus is characterized as new and dangerous, when it's
>> not significantly different from viruses that have been in
>> the United States for decades.
>>
>> West Nile may be a nasty experience for a very few, fatal
>> for an exceedingly rare number, but as diseases go...it's
>> no big deal. There are about 40 different types of
>> mosquitoes that carry viruses that could cause
>> encephalitis. They're common in many parts of the U.S. and
>> breed in places like tire dumps.
>>
>> So what's unique about West Nile? Not much, according to
>> Dr. Raoult Ratard of the Louisiana Department of Health. He
>> says that, as it affects humans, West Nile is almost
>> indistinguishable from the St. Louis virus, which has been
>> in the U.S. since 1933. Dr. Ratard says that there's no
>> difference between the two viruses regarding their symptoms
>> or rates of infection. Less than 1% of persons infected
>> with the West Nile or St. Louis virus will develop severe
>> illness. On average, St. Louis causes 128 people to be
>> hospitalized every year, although in 1964 that figure went
>> as high as 4,478 cases. In fact, the mortality rate for the
>> St. Louis virus is said to be slightly higher than that for
>> West Nile.
>>
>> The St. Louis virus is considered a "permanent resident" of
>> Florida, according to the University of Florida's
>> Cooperative Extension Service. On their website the
>> Extension Service even questions the effectiveness of
>> spraying pesticides, noting that by the time an outbreak
>> has occurred it's already too late.
>>
>> Now that's interesting. Florida is a breeding ground for
>> the St. Louis virus and filled to the gills with the
>> elderly, yet only one person has been infected with West
>> Nile according to the CDC, while Louisiana has 205,
>> Mississippi 91, and Illinois 79. Could Florida residents
>> have developed a resistance to both St. Louis and West Nile
>> virus? Or to mosquitoes in general? Or is something else
>> going on?
>>
>> I've been very curious about the alleged victims of West
>> Nile. So I called the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) for
>> more information.
>>
>> Incredibly, the CDC press office claims that they don't
>> have information on the exact ages or medical conditions of
>> the alleged fatalities of West Nile, and only the 'mean'
>> age for cases of infection - 51 years old. And that doesn't
>> really jive with press reports that describe victims of
>> infection or fatalities as usually over 70 years of age.
>> The CDC says that reporters have managed to get some
>> details on the victims, but not from the CDC.
>>
>> Call me dumb, but not stupid. How did the CDC get the mean
>> age of those who got infected if they don't have the
>> individual ages? There aren't enough cases of West Nile in
>> many states to establish their own mean. How can the CDC
>> make policy and state funding decisions for West Nile if
>> they don't have the basic facts on its so-called victims?
>> How can they inform, alert, and alarm the public if they're
>> operating in an information vacuum?
>>
>> CDC press office told me that I would have to contact the
>> individual state public health agencies for more
>> information. So I called Louisiana and New York, but no
>> luck. They also were not releasing the information I
>> sought.
>>
>> It seems I'm not alone in my failure. According to the No
>> Spray Coalition, New York City claimed 7 fatalities to West
>> Nile in 1999, "Yet to date none of the names or medical
>> histories of the deceased have been released... Independent
>> research indicates that all 7 were over 75, one had a
>> serious heart condition, two had cancer (and heavy
>> chemotherapy), and all had bad immune systems. No death was
>> histologically connected with WNV as the cause of death."
>>
>> Why not release victim information? Could it be that if the
>> public were to understand that the so-called victims really
>> had serious underlying medical conditions, that it would
>> put an end to the panic and an end to the pesticide
>> spraying? I doubt anyone sprays pesticides for West Nile in
>> Europe, Africa, Western Asia, or the Middle East where it's
>> common.
>>
>> Pardon me for being suspicious, but in my mind it's not
>> surprising that states like Louisiana, Mississippi, and
>> Illinois are claiming some of the highest rates for West
>> Nile. They've had a long love affair with the chemical
>> industry. That cozy relationship could contribute to the
>> high number of victims in any number of troubling ways.
>>
>> West Nile is a virus that we will learn to live with and
>> should refuse to get excited about. What's alarming is a
>> pesticide industry that does more harm than good, a public
>> health service that withholds the facts, and a press corps
>> that seems incapable of asking the tough questions.
>>
>> http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0902-08.htm
Steve
Mon, Sep-09-02, 23:56
If you are interested in obtaining information about West Nile
virus from an outdoor health and safety expert please log on
to www.destinationoutdoors.com. A live session is in progress
now and will resume Tues., Wed. and Thurs. this week
(9/10-9/12) from 7-9 p.m. CST. Learn what is fact, what is
hype and what you can do to put your mind at ease about WNV.
"Mark Probert" <mark_probertREMOVEGARBAGE@hotmail.com> wrote
in message news:<ali3kl$1q6rrq$1@ID-78438.news.dfncis.de>...
> "Justin" <reply@newsgroup.instead.com> wrote in message
> news:pqWe9.252777$aA.44247@sccrnsc02...
> > Well, ever since the Aswan Dam was put up- instead of the
> > usual 100 killed each year by the Nile flooding, 10000+
> > die from the diseases of the
> stagnant
> > Nile. The Nile isn't flushed with new silt each year but
> > instead moves slowly and all the animal and human waste
> > remains. In America most of us don't live in those kinds
> > of conditions so we're not as susceptible to the West Nile
> > Virus. Since thousands die of it each year in the Nile the
> media
> > thought it would happen here but in actuality people of
> > the Nile are dying also of unhealthy conditions. I hope
> > one day they'll decommission the
> Aswan
> > Dam or at least part of it then people can thrive all the
> > way along it as they once did. If you eat healthy and stay
> > out of stagnant conditions I think the West Nile Virus
> > will have nothing on you.
>
> You think wrong.
>
> > "john" <vaccinfo@nospam.com> wrote in message
> > news:alg33b$971$1@paris.btinternet.com...
> > > West Nile Virus - A Manufactured Crisis by Lynn Landes
> > >
> > > What to do about West Nile? Don't do anything. It has
> > > the smell of a manufactured crisis. The news on West
> > > Nile is a disturbing combination
> of
> > > hype, confusion, distortion, and omission. Take a look
> > > at the Centers
> for
> > > Disease Control (CDC) website for, "West Nile Virus
> > > Update - Current
> Case
> > > Count," and you'll see a startling variation in the
> > > incidence of West
> Nile
> > > infections and fatalities from state to state - and even
> > > within the same region. It makes me wonder.
> > >
> > > On a daily basis TV reporters raise the alarm and
> > > breathlessly announce
> new
> > > cases of West Nile, but it's hard to tell if they're
> > > talking about fatalities or infections.
> > >
> > > We're told that both children and the elderly are most
> > > at risk, when in
> fact
> > > children are the least at risk for the disease,
> > > according to the CDC,
> but
> > > most at risk for the toxic effects of pesticides and
> > > mosquito
> repellents.
> > >
> > > Both the CDC and state public health agencies give out
> > > general
> information
> > > about the number of victims, but not specific data on
> > > individual victims that may shed light on the medical
> > > reality of this so-called crisis.
> > >
> > > The virus is characterized as new and dangerous, when
> > > it's not
> significantly
> > > different from viruses that have been in the United
> > > States for decades.
> > >
> > > West Nile may be a nasty experience for a very few,
> > > fatal for an
> exceedingly
> > > rare number, but as diseases go...it's no big deal.
> > > There are about 40 different types of mosquitoes that
> > > carry viruses that could cause encephalitis. They're
> > > common in many parts of the U.S. and breed in
> places
> > > like tire dumps.
> > >
> > > So what's unique about West Nile? Not much, according to
> > > Dr. Raoult
> Ratard
> > > of the Louisiana Department of Health. He says that, as
> > > it affects
> humans,
> > > West Nile is almost indistinguishable from the St. Louis
> > > virus, which
> has
> > > been in the U.S. since 1933. Dr. Ratard says that
> > > there's no difference between the two viruses regarding
> > > their symptoms or rates of infection.
> Less
> > > than 1% of persons infected with the West Nile or St.
> > > Louis virus will develop severe illness. On average, St.
> > > Louis causes 128 people to be hospitalized every year,
> > > although in 1964 that figure went as high as
> 4,478
> > > cases. In fact, the mortality rate for the St. Louis
> > > virus is said to be slightly higher than that for West
> > > Nile.
> > >
> > > The St. Louis virus is considered a "permanent resident"
> > > of Florida, according to the University of Florida's
> > > Cooperative Extension Service.
> On
> > > their website the Extension Service even questions the
> > > effectiveness of spraying pesticides, noting that by the
> > > time an outbreak has occurred
> it's
> > > already too late.
> > >
> > > Now that's interesting. Florida is a breeding ground for
> > > the St. Louis
> virus
> > > and filled to the gills with the elderly, yet only one
> > > person has been infected with West Nile according to the
> > > CDC, while Louisiana has 205, Mississippi 91, and
> > > Illinois 79. Could Florida residents have developed
> a
> > > resistance to both St. Louis and West Nile virus? Or to
> > > mosquitoes in general? Or is something else going on?
> > >
> > > I've been very curious about the alleged victims of West
> > > Nile. So I
> called
> > > the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) for more
> > > information.
> > >
> > > Incredibly, the CDC press office claims that they don't
> > > have information
> on
> > > the exact ages or medical conditions of the alleged
> > > fatalities of West
> Nile,
> > > and only the 'mean' age for cases of infection - 51
> > > years old. And that doesn't really jive with press
> > > reports that describe victims of
> infection or
> > > fatalities as usually over 70 years of age. The CDC says
> > > that reporters
> have
> > > managed to get some details on the victims, but not from
> > > the CDC.
> > >
> > > Call me dumb, but not stupid. How did the CDC get the
> > > mean age of those
> who
> > > got infected if they don't have the individual ages?
> > > There aren't enough cases of West Nile in many states to
> > > establish their own mean. How can
> the
> > > CDC make policy and state funding decisions for West
> > > Nile if they don't
> have
> > > the basic facts on its so-called victims? How can they
> > > inform, alert,
> and
> > > alarm the public if they're operating in an information
> > > vacuum?
> > >
> > > CDC press office told me that I would have to contact
> > > the individual
> state
> > > public health agencies for more information. So I called
> > > Louisiana and
> New
> > > York, but no luck. They also were not releasing the
> > > information I
> sought.
> > >
> > > It seems I'm not alone in my failure. According to the
> > > No Spray
> Coalition,
> > > New York City claimed 7 fatalities to West Nile in 1999,
> > > "Yet to date
> none
> > > of the names or medical histories of the deceased have
> > > been released... Independent research indicates that all
> > > 7 were over 75, one had a
> serious
> > > heart condition, two had cancer (and heavy
> > > chemotherapy), and all had
> bad
> > > immune systems. No death was histologically connected
> > > with WNV as the
> cause
> > > of death."
> > >
> > > Why not release victim information? Could it be that if
> > > the public were
> to
> > > understand that the so-called victims really had serious
> > > underlying
> medical
> > > conditions, that it would put an end to the panic and an
> > > end to the pesticide spraying? I doubt anyone sprays
> > > pesticides for West Nile in Europe, Africa, Western
> > > Asia, or the Middle East where it's common.
> > >
> > > Pardon me for being suspicious, but in my mind it's not
> > > surprising that states like Louisiana, Mississippi, and
> > > Illinois are claiming some of
> the
> > > highest rates for West Nile. They've had a long love
> > > affair with the chemical industry. That cozy
> > > relationship could contribute to the high number of
> > > victims in any number of troubling ways.
> > >
> > > West Nile is a virus that we will learn to live with and
> > > should refuse
> to
> > > get excited about. What's alarming is a pesticide
> > > industry that does
> more
> > > harm than good, a public health service that withholds
> > > the facts, and a press corps that seems incapable of
> > > asking the tough questions.
> > >
> > > http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0902-08.htm
> > >
> > >
> >
Happy Dog
Mon, Sep-09-02, 23:56
"sky-hi" <sky-hi@sky-hi.com> wrote
> I read that some people (maybe most) are not susceptible to
> WNV because of their genes.
>
That's correct. Same as for most diseases. arf
Justin
Tue, Sep-10-02, 06:56
> I gave him the benefit of the doubt and presumed he thought.
> I won't give you the same benefit.
I find that you have made several derogatory comments, made
many off topic posts, and I find your contributions suspect.
You are best defined as a troll. And if it so happens in the
future that you make a comment that is on topic and is
insightful I will have to miss out in order to save me from
the grief of your current comments.
Mark Probe
Tue, Sep-10-02, 06:56
"Justin" <reply@newsgroup.instead.com> wrote in message
news:<18ff9.372930$me6.42695@sccrnsc01>...
> > I gave him the benefit of the doubt and presumed he
> > thought. I won't give you the same benefit.
>
> I find that you have made several derogatory comments, made
> many off topic posts, and I find your contributions suspect.
> You are best defined as a troll. And if it so happens in the
> future that you make a comment that is on topic and is
> insightful I will have to miss out in order to save me from
> the grief of your current comments.
Relax...your 'insight' will not be missed.
John 'The
Tue, Sep-10-02, 06:56
Once upon a time, our fellow Justin rambled on about "Re: West
Nile Virus - A Manufactured Crisis." Our champion
De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...
>> I gave him the benefit of the doubt and presumed he
>> thought. I won't give you the same benefit.
>
>I find that you have made several derogatory comments, made
>many off topic posts, and I find your contributions suspect.
>You are best defined as a troll. And if it so happens in the
>future that you make a comment that is on topic and is
>insightful I will have to miss out in order to save me from
>the grief of your current comments.
Justin, you are just an arse!
Mark Probe
Tue, Sep-10-02, 13:57
I live in the area where it first appeared and have attended
numerous meetings with professionals about it.
"Steve" <sbruss@laughlin.com> wrote in message
news:50451dd1.0209091731.34e86461@posting.google.com...
> If you are interested in obtaining information about West
> Nile virus from an outdoor health and safety expert please
> log on to www.destinationoutdoors.com. A live session is in
> progress now and will resume Tues., Wed. and Thurs. this
> week (9/10-9/12) from 7-9 p.m. CST. Learn what is fact,
> what is hype and what you can do to put your mind at ease
> about WNV.
>
> "Mark Probert" <mark_probertREMOVEGARBAGE@hotmail.com> wrote
> in message
news:<ali3kl$1q6rrq$1@ID-78438.news.dfncis.de>...
> > "Justin" <reply@newsgroup.instead.com> wrote in message
> > news:pqWe9.252777$aA.44247@sccrnsc02...
> > > Well, ever since the Aswan Dam was put up- instead of
> > > the usual 100
killed
> > > each year by the Nile flooding, 10000+ die from the
> > > diseases of the
> > stagnant
> > > Nile. The Nile isn't flushed with new silt each year but
> > > instead
moves
> > > slowly and all the animal and human waste remains. In
> > > America most of
us
> > > don't live in those kinds of conditions so we're not as
> > > susceptible to
the
> > > West Nile Virus. Since thousands die of it each year in
> > > the Nile the
> > media
> > > thought it would happen here but in actuality people of
> > > the Nile are
dying
> > > also of unhealthy conditions. I hope one day they'll
> > > decommission the
> > Aswan
> > > Dam or at least part of it then people can thrive all
> > > the way along it
as
> > > they once did. If you eat healthy and stay out of
> > > stagnant conditions
I
> > > think the West Nile Virus will have nothing on you.
> >
> > You think wrong.
> >
> > > "john" <vaccinfo@nospam.com> wrote in message
> > > news:alg33b$971$1@paris.btinternet.com...
> > > > West Nile Virus - A Manufactured Crisis by Lynn Landes
> > > >
> > > > What to do about West Nile? Don't do anything. It has
> > > > the smell of a manufactured crisis. The news on West
> > > > Nile is a disturbing
combination
> > of
> > > > hype, confusion, distortion, and omission. Take a look
> > > > at the
Centers
> > for
> > > > Disease Control (CDC) website for, "West Nile Virus
> > > > Update - Current
> > Case
> > > > Count," and you'll see a startling variation in the
> > > > incidence of
West
> > Nile
> > > > infections and fatalities from state to state - and
> > > > even within the
same
> > > > region. It makes me wonder.
> > > >
> > > > On a daily basis TV reporters raise the alarm and
> > > > breathlessly
announce
> > new
> > > > cases of West Nile, but it's hard to tell if they're
> > > > talking about fatalities or infections.
> > > >
> > > > We're told that both children and the elderly are most
> > > > at risk, when
in
> > fact
> > > > children are the least at risk for the disease,
> > > > according to the
CDC,
> > but
> > > > most at risk for the toxic effects of pesticides and
> > > > mosquito
> > repellents.
> > > >
> > > > Both the CDC and state public health agencies give out
> > > > general
> > information
> > > > about the number of victims, but not specific data on
> > > > individual
victims
> > > > that may shed light on the medical reality of this
> > > > so-called crisis.
> > > >
> > > > The virus is characterized as new and dangerous, when
> > > > it's not
> > significantly
> > > > different from viruses that have been in the United
> > > > States for
decades.
> > > >
> > > > West Nile may be a nasty experience for a very few,
> > > > fatal for an
> > exceedingly
> > > > rare number, but as diseases go...it's no big deal.
> > > > There are about
40
> > > > different types of mosquitoes that carry viruses that
> > > > could cause encephalitis. They're common in many parts
> > > > of the U.S. and breed in
> > places
> > > > like tire dumps.
> > > >
> > > > So what's unique about West Nile? Not much, according
> > > > to Dr. Raoult
> > Ratard
> > > > of the Louisiana Department of Health. He says that,
> > > > as it affects
> > humans,
> > > > West Nile is almost indistinguishable from the St.
> > > > Louis virus,
which
> > has
> > > > been in the U.S. since 1933. Dr. Ratard says that
> > > > there's no
difference
> > > > between the two viruses regarding their symptoms or
> > > > rates of
infection.
> > Less
> > > > than 1% of persons infected with the West Nile or St.
> > > > Louis virus
will
> > > > develop severe illness. On average, St. Louis causes
> > > > 128 people to
be
> > > > hospitalized every year, although in 1964 that figure
> > > > went as high
as
> > 4,478
> > > > cases. In fact, the mortality rate for the St. Louis
> > > > virus is said
to be
> > > > slightly higher than that for West Nile.
> > > >
> > > > The St. Louis virus is considered a "permanent
> > > > resident" of Florida, according to the University of
> > > > Florida's Cooperative Extension
Service.
> > On
> > > > their website the Extension Service even questions the
> > > > effectiveness
of
> > > > spraying pesticides, noting that by the time an
> > > > outbreak has
occurred
> > it's
> > > > already too late.
> > > >
> > > > Now that's interesting. Florida is a breeding ground
> > > > for the St.
Louis
> > virus
> > > > and filled to the gills with the elderly, yet only one
> > > > person has
been
> > > > infected with West Nile according to the CDC, while
> > > > Louisiana has
205,
> > > > Mississippi 91, and Illinois 79. Could Florida
> > > > residents have
developed
> > a
> > > > resistance to both St. Louis and West Nile virus? Or
> > > > to mosquitoes
in
> > > > general? Or is something else going on?
> > > >
> > > > I've been very curious about the alleged victims of
> > > > West Nile. So I
> > called
> > > > the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) for more
> > > > information.
> > > >
> > > > Incredibly, the CDC press office claims that they
> > > > don't have
information
> > on
> > > > the exact ages or medical conditions of the alleged
> > > > fatalities of
West
> > Nile,
> > > > and only the 'mean' age for cases of infection - 51
> > > > years old. And
that
> > > > doesn't really jive with press reports that describe
> > > > victims of
> > infection or
> > > > fatalities as usually over 70 years of age. The CDC
> > > > says that
reporters
> > have
> > > > managed to get some details on the victims, but not
> > > > from the CDC.
> > > >
> > > > Call me dumb, but not stupid. How did the CDC get the
> > > > mean age of
those
> > who
> > > > got infected if they don't have the individual ages?
> > > > There aren't
enough
> > > > cases of West Nile in many states to establish their
> > > > own mean. How
can
> > the
> > > > CDC make policy and state funding decisions for West
> > > > Nile if they
don't
> > have
> > > > the basic facts on its so-called victims? How can they
> > > > inform,
alert,
> > and
> > > > alarm the public if they're operating in an
> > > > information vacuum?
> > > >
> > > > CDC press office told me that I would have to contact
> > > > the individual
> > state
> > > > public health agencies for more information. So I
> > > > called Louisiana
and
> > New
> > > > York, but no luck. They also were not releasing the
> > > > information I
> > sought.
> > > >
> > > > It seems I'm not alone in my failure. According to the
> > > > No Spray
> > Coalition,
> > > > New York City claimed 7 fatalities to West Nile in
> > > > 1999, "Yet to
date
> > none
> > > > of the names or medical histories of the deceased have
> > > > been
released...
> > > > Independent research indicates that all 7 were over
> > > > 75, one had a
> > serious
> > > > heart condition, two had cancer (and heavy
> > > > chemotherapy), and all
had
> > bad
> > > > immune systems. No death was histologically connected
> > > > with WNV as
the
> > cause
> > > > of death."
> > > >
> > > > Why not release victim information? Could it be that
> > > > if the public
were
> > to
> > > > understand that the so-called victims really had
> > > > serious underlying
> > medical
> > > > conditions, that it would put an end to the panic and
> > > > an end to the pesticide spraying? I doubt anyone
> > > > sprays pesticides for West Nile
in
> > > > Europe, Africa, Western Asia, or the Middle East where
> > > > it's common.
> > > >
> > > > Pardon me for being suspicious, but in my mind it's
> > > > not surprising
that
> > > > states like Louisiana, Mississippi, and Illinois are
> > > > claiming some
of
> > the
> > > > highest rates for West Nile. They've had a long love
> > > > affair with the chemical industry. That cozy
> > > > relationship could contribute to the
high
> > > > number of victims in any number of troubling ways.
> > > >
> > > > West Nile is a virus that we will learn to live with
> > > > and should
refuse
> > to
> > > > get excited about. What's alarming is a pesticide
> > > > industry that does
> > more
> > > > harm than good, a public health service that withholds
> > > > the facts,
and a
> > > > press corps that seems incapable of asking the tough
> > > > questions.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0902-08.htm
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
>
Mark Probe
Tue, Sep-10-02, 13:58
"suzee" <suzeeq@nidlink.com> wrote in message
news:3D7D2F3F.146@nidlink.com...
> Mark Probert wrote:
> >
> > "suzee" <suzeeq@nidlink.com> wrote in message
> > news:3D7C1F90.7D65@nidlink.com...
> > > David Wright wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In article <3D7BE410.5E68@nidlink.com>, suzee
> > > > <qiuser@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> > > > >Thank you. It seems the pesticides cause more harm
> > > > >than the
`virus'.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > You don't know much about John, do you?
> > >
> > > Enough that I tend to agree with his views.
> >
> > Is that a side effect of a lobotomy?
>
> Wouldn't know....
Obviously, it is.
Mark Probe
Tue, Sep-10-02, 13:58
"John 'the Man'" <DeMan[87]@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:r97rnu8mk6d664k7scer6rk33g21s3tbdp@4ax.com...
> Once upon a time, our fellow Justin rambled on about "Re:
> West Nile Virus - A Manufactured Crisis." Our champion
> De-Medicalizing in sci.med.nutrition retorts, thusly ...
>
> >> I gave him the benefit of the doubt and presumed he
> >> thought. I won't
give
> >> you the same benefit.
> >
> >I find that you have made several derogatory comments, made
> >many off
topic
> >posts, and I find your contributions suspect. You are best
> >defined as a troll. And if it so happens in the future that
> >you make a comment that
is
> >on topic and is insightful I will have to miss out in order
> >to save me
from
> >the grief of your current comments.
>
> Justin, you are just an arse!
One of those times where I totally agree.
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