Michael Ro
Mon, Aug-12-02, 23:56
Unofficial SUT/Mike Roos(e)/Michael Roos(e)/??? FAQ --8/2/2002
Update: -- Added Gym Owner to Resume -- Added link to
plagiarized Mel Siff post on 7/16/2002
--4/15/2002 Update: -- Clarification on age(s)
--4/13/2002 Update: -- SUT/Mike Roos(e)/??? MFW Goodbye?
--4/12/2002 Update: -- Added new killfile members -- Added new
IP Info -- Added link to John William's post "SUT, Squack and
Plagiarism"
In order to help track of our illustrious expert, this
unofficial FAQ has been created. Any additions/corrections
will be considered for inclusion.
Q: Who is SUT/Mike Roos(e)/???
R: It's anybody's guess.
"Somewhat Useful Trainer" first appeared in MFW as such on
March 14th. Interestingly, this was just subsequent to a minor
blowup in Supertraining between Mel Siff and Dan Wagman, that
was then commented on in MFW.
"SUT" originally posted with the email address of
"protrain@email.com". As uncovered by John Williams, a
previous troll in both Supertraining and MFW, "Cid
Summers/Nancy/etc", had posted in Supertraining with the term
"Protrain" in it's signature. "Cid Summers/Nancy/etc" had
posted on Supertraining supposedly from Tennessee. John
Williams has tracked "SUT/Mike Roos(e)/???" to a DSL server in
Tennesse as well.
On April 1st (Fool's Day??), "SUT" changed it's name to "Mike
Roose". Again, John Williams uncovered a "Mike Roos (no E)"
that superficially matched some of "SUT"s claims. Also,
apparently a "Mike Roos (no E)" sent a letter to Mel Siff on
Supertraining on or about March 20th. "Mike Roose (with E)"
then began posting on Supertraining, using the "SUT" email.
The "real" Mike Roos (no E) apparently hails from
Tennesse as well.
On April 11, 2002, "SUT/Mike Roos(e)/???" changed from using
the free fu.berlin.de news service to what looks like the
TELOCITY/DirecTv news service. Why is anybody's guess; it
may be an attempt to further mask it's true location. While
using the fu.berlin.de news service, the posting path lead
back to the Tennessee IP address. The TELOCITY/DirecTv
posting path does not.
On April 14, 2002, SUT/Mike Roos(e)/??? changed it's posting
name to "Michael Roose", and removed an "e" from it's email
address to "somewhatusfulltrainer..". Again, it's left to the
reader to determine if this is yet another attempt to bypass
killfiles, and/or make it more difficult to track/compare it's
various claims.
S: What has SUT/Mike Roos(e)/??? done?
T: What hasn't he.
Although it is difficult to track it's various claims, it has
at one time or another claimed the following:
- 14 years old, college baseball player
- 15 years old, served in Vietnam, after losing 2s in
college.
- 16 years old, drafted by MLB/Minor League team.
(Note on above: Originally, the FAQ used the term "Around xx"
as an approximate age. SUT/Mike Roos(e)/??? originally posted
that it was "around 45" years old.
In an April 14, 2002 posting to the Yahoo group Supertraining,
SUT/Mike Roos(e)/??? claimed a specific age of 48.
The ages above are derived from postings by SUT/Mike
Roos(e)/??? where it claimed to be have been a "post-war
draftee" of the Yankees, specifically in 1969. It also has
stated that it had served in SE Asia after being "drafted,
lost my 2S in college")
- Co-owned Minor League Baseball team.
- Real estate baron.
- IT expert, working for IBM, etc.
- Fitness Guru, representing an elite group of
international trainers.
- Trainer for Professional Baseball Players.
- Trainer for NFL Players.
- Trainer for Professional Tennis Players.
- State Legislator.
- Presidential Campaign Vice Chairman.
- 4 time National Champion Coach.
- Gym Owner
Note that some of these superficially match the real "Mike
Roos". Mike Roos was a California State Legislator, who was
Vice Chairman for Jimmy Carter's Presidential Campaign. Mike
Roos also was apparently somewhat proficient in baseball,
playing at Tulane.
Q: What is SUT/Mike Roos(e)/???'s mode of posting in MFW?
R: Contributed by Robert Dorf:
"SUT has a pattern of plagiarizing at length, making bizarre
and conflicting claims, using the Socratic method when
attempting to argue a point, building an elaborate fictitious
identity and/or assuming other's identities, playing the "Who
am I?" game, drawing heavily on materials from Supertraining,
and trying to involve itself with the more publicly successful
members of MFW.
This pattern is very similar to that employed by Squack /
Nancy G., an apparently mentally ill troll from a few
years ago."
For a detailed look at an example of the above, see John
Williams' post:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=SUT,+Squack+and+Plagiarism+-
group:misc.fitn ess.weights&hl=en&safe=off&selm=3ca12bb5.7686-
3162%40news.valkyrie.net&rnum=1
For a more recent, concrete example, see this thread where it
plagiarized a Mel Siff article:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&t-
hreadm=314a4ba6 .0207172044.3daabbd7%40posting.google.com&rnu-
m=2&prev=/groups%3Fas_q%3DMel%2 520Siff%2520Roose%26safe%3Dim-
ages%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26lr%3D%26hl%3De n
S: Who has SUT/Mike Roos(e)/??? killfiled?
T: The list grows and grows.
To date, the following are known to be killfiled on MFW:
Pat Styles Chris (CTM) August Pamplona suskib6 Alan McClure
Rob John Williams Rob Schuh Hoff John Smith John Lilly
Gabrielle Darkman John Hanson Henricus Bryce Lane Lisa
Ognjen Arandjelovic Jimmy Kukla Chris Gabel Bob Mann Ron Go
Steve Friedes Aaron Bob G Darryl Licke Seth Breidhart Mike
Mclean dahammel
(apologies to anyone missing)
U: Does SUT/Mike Roos(e)/??? still post?
V: We'll see.......
On April 12, 2002, SUT/Mike Roos(e)/??? made a flurry of
troll-like posts on MFW, changing it's user name/email address
in different ways to bypass reader killfiles.
Apparently, a behind the scenes mild confrontation was held in
Supertraining. Two different accounts were reported:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&safe=off&threadm=dvMt8.-
21634%24Kq4.932 390%40news2.calgary.shaw.ca&prev=/groups%3Fhl-
%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26gr oup%3Dmisc.fitness.weights
and
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&safe=off&threadm=3CB7C0-
3F.1992A024%40i
W.netcom.com&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26gr-
oup%3Dmisc.fitn ess.weights
Interestingly, Mel Siff posted a warning regarding
plagiarizing on the Supertraining forum early on April 13th.
Coincidence?? You be the judge.
SUT/Mike Roos(e)/??? then posted it's MFW Swan Song:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&safe=off&threadm=vqPt8.-
5741%244D6.392% 40rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net&prev=/groups%3Fhl-
%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26gr oup%3Dmisc.fitness.weights
Is it truly gone? Only time will tell....
---------------------------------------------
Addendum: Intended Audience.
Most Regulars/Semi-Regulars of MFW recognize the SUT/Mike
Roos(e)/??? personna for what it really is. This FAQ is
intended for those newbies and irregulars who may wander into
MFW, and be ensnared by it's more reasonable posts.
For those, I add this advice by none other than the SUT/Mike
Roos(e)/??? personna itself:
"Make sure, Trainee, you are discerning who is experienced,
helpful and has "walked the walk" with a ***demonstrated
resume of successful training*** from those that may harm you
in order to satisfy their own egos.
Mike Roose Coachella Valley"
Supertraining Forum, April 10, 2002 (***emphasis added***)
[Courtesy of Hoff]
Update: -- Added Gym Owner to Resume -- Added link to
plagiarized Mel Siff post on 7/16/2002
--4/15/2002 Update: -- Clarification on age(s)
--4/13/2002 Update: -- SUT/Mike Roos(e)/??? MFW Goodbye?
--4/12/2002 Update: -- Added new killfile members -- Added new
IP Info -- Added link to John William's post "SUT, Squack and
Plagiarism"
In order to help track of our illustrious expert, this
unofficial FAQ has been created. Any additions/corrections
will be considered for inclusion.
Q: Who is SUT/Mike Roos(e)/???
R: It's anybody's guess.
"Somewhat Useful Trainer" first appeared in MFW as such on
March 14th. Interestingly, this was just subsequent to a minor
blowup in Supertraining between Mel Siff and Dan Wagman, that
was then commented on in MFW.
"SUT" originally posted with the email address of
"protrain@email.com". As uncovered by John Williams, a
previous troll in both Supertraining and MFW, "Cid
Summers/Nancy/etc", had posted in Supertraining with the term
"Protrain" in it's signature. "Cid Summers/Nancy/etc" had
posted on Supertraining supposedly from Tennessee. John
Williams has tracked "SUT/Mike Roos(e)/???" to a DSL server in
Tennesse as well.
On April 1st (Fool's Day??), "SUT" changed it's name to "Mike
Roose". Again, John Williams uncovered a "Mike Roos (no E)"
that superficially matched some of "SUT"s claims. Also,
apparently a "Mike Roos (no E)" sent a letter to Mel Siff on
Supertraining on or about March 20th. "Mike Roose (with E)"
then began posting on Supertraining, using the "SUT" email.
The "real" Mike Roos (no E) apparently hails from
Tennesse as well.
On April 11, 2002, "SUT/Mike Roos(e)/???" changed from using
the free fu.berlin.de news service to what looks like the
TELOCITY/DirecTv news service. Why is anybody's guess; it
may be an attempt to further mask it's true location. While
using the fu.berlin.de news service, the posting path lead
back to the Tennessee IP address. The TELOCITY/DirecTv
posting path does not.
On April 14, 2002, SUT/Mike Roos(e)/??? changed it's posting
name to "Michael Roose", and removed an "e" from it's email
address to "somewhatusfulltrainer..". Again, it's left to the
reader to determine if this is yet another attempt to bypass
killfiles, and/or make it more difficult to track/compare it's
various claims.
S: What has SUT/Mike Roos(e)/??? done?
T: What hasn't he.
Although it is difficult to track it's various claims, it has
at one time or another claimed the following:
- 14 years old, college baseball player
- 15 years old, served in Vietnam, after losing 2s in
college.
- 16 years old, drafted by MLB/Minor League team.
(Note on above: Originally, the FAQ used the term "Around xx"
as an approximate age. SUT/Mike Roos(e)/??? originally posted
that it was "around 45" years old.
In an April 14, 2002 posting to the Yahoo group Supertraining,
SUT/Mike Roos(e)/??? claimed a specific age of 48.
The ages above are derived from postings by SUT/Mike
Roos(e)/??? where it claimed to be have been a "post-war
draftee" of the Yankees, specifically in 1969. It also has
stated that it had served in SE Asia after being "drafted,
lost my 2S in college")
- Co-owned Minor League Baseball team.
- Real estate baron.
- IT expert, working for IBM, etc.
- Fitness Guru, representing an elite group of
international trainers.
- Trainer for Professional Baseball Players.
- Trainer for NFL Players.
- Trainer for Professional Tennis Players.
- State Legislator.
- Presidential Campaign Vice Chairman.
- 4 time National Champion Coach.
- Gym Owner
Note that some of these superficially match the real "Mike
Roos". Mike Roos was a California State Legislator, who was
Vice Chairman for Jimmy Carter's Presidential Campaign. Mike
Roos also was apparently somewhat proficient in baseball,
playing at Tulane.
Q: What is SUT/Mike Roos(e)/???'s mode of posting in MFW?
R: Contributed by Robert Dorf:
"SUT has a pattern of plagiarizing at length, making bizarre
and conflicting claims, using the Socratic method when
attempting to argue a point, building an elaborate fictitious
identity and/or assuming other's identities, playing the "Who
am I?" game, drawing heavily on materials from Supertraining,
and trying to involve itself with the more publicly successful
members of MFW.
This pattern is very similar to that employed by Squack /
Nancy G., an apparently mentally ill troll from a few
years ago."
For a detailed look at an example of the above, see John
Williams' post:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=SUT,+Squack+and+Plagiarism+-
group:misc.fitn ess.weights&hl=en&safe=off&selm=3ca12bb5.7686-
3162%40news.valkyrie.net&rnum=1
For a more recent, concrete example, see this thread where it
plagiarized a Mel Siff article:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&t-
hreadm=314a4ba6 .0207172044.3daabbd7%40posting.google.com&rnu-
m=2&prev=/groups%3Fas_q%3DMel%2 520Siff%2520Roose%26safe%3Dim-
ages%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26lr%3D%26hl%3De n
S: Who has SUT/Mike Roos(e)/??? killfiled?
T: The list grows and grows.
To date, the following are known to be killfiled on MFW:
Pat Styles Chris (CTM) August Pamplona suskib6 Alan McClure
Rob John Williams Rob Schuh Hoff John Smith John Lilly
Gabrielle Darkman John Hanson Henricus Bryce Lane Lisa
Ognjen Arandjelovic Jimmy Kukla Chris Gabel Bob Mann Ron Go
Steve Friedes Aaron Bob G Darryl Licke Seth Breidhart Mike
Mclean dahammel
(apologies to anyone missing)
U: Does SUT/Mike Roos(e)/??? still post?
V: We'll see.......
On April 12, 2002, SUT/Mike Roos(e)/??? made a flurry of
troll-like posts on MFW, changing it's user name/email address
in different ways to bypass reader killfiles.
Apparently, a behind the scenes mild confrontation was held in
Supertraining. Two different accounts were reported:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&safe=off&threadm=dvMt8.-
21634%24Kq4.932 390%40news2.calgary.shaw.ca&prev=/groups%3Fhl-
%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26gr oup%3Dmisc.fitness.weights
and
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&safe=off&threadm=3CB7C0-
3F.1992A024%40i
W.netcom.com&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26gr-
oup%3Dmisc.fitn ess.weights
Interestingly, Mel Siff posted a warning regarding
plagiarizing on the Supertraining forum early on April 13th.
Coincidence?? You be the judge.
SUT/Mike Roos(e)/??? then posted it's MFW Swan Song:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&safe=off&threadm=vqPt8.-
5741%244D6.392% 40rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net&prev=/groups%3Fhl-
%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26gr oup%3Dmisc.fitness.weights
Is it truly gone? Only time will tell....
---------------------------------------------
Addendum: Intended Audience.
Most Regulars/Semi-Regulars of MFW recognize the SUT/Mike
Roos(e)/??? personna for what it really is. This FAQ is
intended for those newbies and irregulars who may wander into
MFW, and be ensnared by it's more reasonable posts.
For those, I add this advice by none other than the SUT/Mike
Roos(e)/??? personna itself:
"Make sure, Trainee, you are discerning who is experienced,
helpful and has "walked the walk" with a ***demonstrated
resume of successful training*** from those that may harm you
in order to satisfy their own egos.
Mike Roose Coachella Valley"
Supertraining Forum, April 10, 2002 (***emphasis added***)
[Courtesy of Hoff]