....) running shoes suggestions?

[Mc]

Hi, I am badly under-pronated (worns on outsides of the
shoes), and pain easily on the joint where feet and shins meet
(on the front side of the leg)--sometimes it's so painful that
I am forced to stop when running on the treadmill.

I am 185 lb and cushioning is important as well (both on heel
and front/ middle of the feet). I run 3-4 times each time 3-4
miles finished in 30-40 minutes. I run only on treadmill.

I consider to buy new running shoes from New Balance, Nike,
Reebok, Adidas, and asics, etc. Any two cents for the specific
model/make and where I can get the best deal either online of
in traditional stores in central Illinois? Any additional
brands /models to consider?

Thanks

Mike

[Gentolm]

low arch=motion control shoe / med arch=stability shoe / hi
arch=cushion shoe try the nimbus cushion shoe if you have hi
arches poldzilla

mc wrote:
>
> Hi, I am badly under-pronated (worns on outsides of the
> shoes), and pain easily on the joint where feet and shins
> meet (on the front side of the leg)--sometimes it's so
> painful that I am forced to stop when running on the
> treadmill.
>
> I am 185 lb and cushioning is important as well (both on
> heel and front/ middle of the feet). I run 3-4 times each
> time 3-4 miles finished in 30-40 minutes. I run only on
> treadmill.
>
> I consider to buy new running shoes from New Balance, Nike,
> Reebok, Adidas, and asics, etc. Any two cents for the
> specific model/make and where I can get the best deal either
> online of in traditional stores in central Illinois? Any
> additional brands /models to consider?
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike

[Stephen Di]

In article <3D1E6975.DAA40DAF@boeing.com>, gentolm
<gentolm@boeing.com> wrote:

> low arch=motion control shoe / med arch=stability shoe / hi
> arch=cushion shoe try the nimbus cushion shoe if you have hi
> arches poldzilla
>
> mc wrote:
> >
> > Hi, I am badly under-pronated (worns on outsides of the
> > shoes), and pain easily on the joint where feet and shins
> > meet (on the front side of the leg)--sometimes it's so
> > painful that I am forced to stop when running on the
> > treadmill.
> >
> > I am 185 lb and cushioning is important as well (both on
> > heel and front/ middle of the feet). I run 3-4 times each
> > time 3-4 miles finished in 30-40 minutes. I run only on
> > treadmill.
> >
> > I consider to buy new running shoes from New Balance,
> > Nike, Reebok, Adidas, and asics, etc. Any two cents for
> > the specific model/make and where I can get the best deal
> > either online of in traditional stores in central
> > Illinois? Any additional brands /models to consider?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Mike

You want a highly cushioned shoe (because pronation helps
cushion footstrike), without medial support (which would push
your foot in the wrong direction), but with good _neutral_
stability. Among the shoes in this category and the Asics
Nimbus 4, the Mizuno Wave Creation, the New Balance 1040, and
the Adidas A3.

From these shoes you should choose based on fit. It is
important that the is enough room in the shoe for the foot to
pronate properly, yet the shoe should fit snugly and there
should be no heel slippage

The cutting edge in neutral stability might be the Adidas a3,
although its feel is unique, and some just won't like it.

I think the Mizuno wave provides the best cushion on the
market, but everyone will tell you something else, and all the
above mentioned shoes are well cushioned.

srd

[Chris]

On 5/7/02 3:58 AM, in article
stephend15-8419AA.19583604072002@news.mindspring.com, "Stephen
Diamond" <stephend15@mindspring.com> wrote:

> In article <3D1E6975.DAA40DAF@boeing.com>, gentolm
> <gentolm@boeing.com> wrote:
>
>> low arch=motion control shoe / med arch=stability shoe / hi
>> arch=cushion shoe try the nimbus cushion shoe if you have
>> hi arches poldzilla
>>
>> mc wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi, I am badly under-pronated (worns on outsides of the
>>> shoes), and pain easily on the joint where feet and shins
>>> meet (on the front side of the leg)--sometimes it's so
>>> painful that I am forced to stop when running on the
>>> treadmill.
>>>
>>> I am 185 lb and cushioning is important as well (both on
>>> heel and front/ middle of the feet). I run 3-4 times each
>>> time 3-4 miles finished in 30-40 minutes. I run only on
>>> treadmill.
>>>
>>> I consider to buy new running shoes from New Balance,
>>> Nike, Reebok, Adidas, and asics, etc. Any two cents for
>>> the specific model/make and where I can get the best deal
>>> either online of in traditional stores in central
>>> Illinois? Any additional brands /models to consider?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Mike
>
> You want a highly cushioned shoe (because pronation helps
> cushion footstrike), without medial support (which would
> push your foot in the wrong direction), but with good
> _neutral_ stability. Among the shoes in this category and
> the Asics Nimbus 4, the Mizuno Wave Creation, the New
> Balance 1040, and the Adidas A3.
>
> From these shoes you should choose based on fit. It is
> important that the is enough room in the shoe for the foot
> to pronate properly, yet the shoe should fit snugly and
> there should be no heel slippage
>
> The cutting edge in neutral stability might be the
> Adidas a3, although its feel is unique, and some just
> won't like it.
>
> I think the Mizuno wave provides the best cushion on the
> market, but everyone will tell you something else, and all
> the above mentioned shoes are well cushioned.
>
> srd

Check out Saucony, specifically the grid trigon series and 3D
grid hurricane. I run on roads / Pavements in the trigon R and
they are really well cushioned.

Having said that saucony don't always fit everybody that well,
for me they're fine but you'll need to try 'em out.

Just my 0.02...

[Michael Ro]

On Thu, 04 Jul 2002 19:58:37 -0700, Stephen Diamond
<stephend15@mindspring.com> wrote:

|From these shoes you should choose based on fit. It is
important that |the is enough room in the shoe for the foot to
pronate properly, yet the |shoe should fit snugly and there
should be no heel slippage

I don't understand.

If the shoe is strapped to the foot, the shoe would go where
the foot goes. Are you saying that the foot moves
independently inside the shoe when properly laced?

[Stephen Di]

In article <B94B179A.4117%cjc40@hermes.cam.ac.uk>, Chris
<cjc40@hermes.cam.ac.uk> wrote:

> Check out Saucony, specifically the grid trigon series and
> 3D grid hurricane. I run on roads / Pavements in the trigon
> R and they are really well cushioned.

The Trigon is unique in coming in 3 models with 3 densities of
EVA ("light," "responsive," OR "durable" cushioning) in the
midsole. The original poster would probably due best with the
"durable" Trigon, since he weighs more than 180 lbs.

I would not recommend the Trigon, however, for a severe
under-pronator. It is not constructed for stability (neutral
stability or "motion control," the former being what he
needs). The Trigon is an excellent choice for a
biomechanically efficient runner, who neither over nor under
pronates, and for whom cushioning is pretty much the only
consideration.

srd

[Stephen Di]

In article <5uobiu4lqbnk5a214cvmfgc7cteoo5pm38@4ax.com>,
Michael Roose <somewhatusefultrainer@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 04 Jul 2002 19:58:37 -0700, Stephen Diamond
> <stephend15@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> |From these shoes you should choose based on fit. It is
> important that |the is enough room in the shoe for the foot
> to pronate properly, yet the |shoe should fit snugly and
> there should be no heel slippage
>
> I don't understand.
>
> If the shoe is strapped to the foot, the shoe would go where
> the foot goes. Are you saying that the foot moves
> independently inside the shoe when properly laced?

The foot rolls toward the lateral side in normal pronation. If
the shoe is too narrow, part of the bottom of the foot is
pressed against the side of the shoe, impeding normal
pronation.

srd

[Michael Ro]

On Fri, 05 Jul 2002 16:32:48 -0700, Stephen Diamond
<stephend15@mindspring.com> wrote:

|The foot rolls toward the lateral side in normal pronation.
If the shoe |is too narrow, part of the bottom of the foot is
pressed against the |side of the shoe, impeding normal
pronation.

Thanks.