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Larry
Sun, Aug-11-02, 20:57
Greetings

I am a male 54 single (not that that maters but incase it
gives you more information).

I have been a signifigant milk drinker since my preteens. I
drink about a quart a day, ish.

I don't drink alcoholic beverages, or smoke, yet I have, what
some would call, a beer belly.

I had polio at an early age therefore my physical stamina is
somewhat limited.

My question: Could the milk consumption be playing a part in
my belly size?

Larry

Kurt Ullma
Sun, Aug-11-02, 20:57
In article <vaz59.347759$WJf1.134053@news01.bloor.is.net.cabl-
e.rogers.com>, "larry" <larya24@hotmail.com> wrote:

>My question: Could the milk consumption be playing a part in
>my belly size?
>

Not being smart, but as in overweight? Or do you think
you have something else going on.

-----------------------------------
"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work
within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards."--
Claire Wolfe

Earle Hort
Sun, Aug-11-02, 20:57
larry <larya24@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:vaz59.34775-
9$WJf1.134053@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
> Greetings
>
> I am a male 54 single (not that that maters but incase it
> gives you more information).
>
> I have been a signifigant milk drinker since my preteens. I
> drink about a quart a day, ish.
>
> I don't drink alcoholic beverages, or smoke, yet I have,
> what some would call, a beer belly.
>
> I had polio at an early age therefore my physical stamina is
> somewhat limited.
>
> My question: Could the milk consumption be playing a part in
> my belly
size?
>

Impossible to answer without knowing more about your life
style, genetics, diet, but do these words mean anything to
you? Nonfat milk, milk substitute, walking, health food store,
bicycle, green leafy vegetables, legumes, fish, olive oil. If
not, think about it. I am fifty-two, six foot, weigh one
sixty-five, no beer belly, but I can't even remember the last
time I tasted beef, pork, butter, eggs, beer, or whole milk.
How's your cholesterol level?

If you want to get rid of that beer belly, you need education
and life style changes. Watch out for the quacks, though. They
won't help you a bit.

Earle Horton http://earleh.tripod.com

> Larry

John
Sun, Aug-11-02, 23:56
Just look at where milk comes from - cows. Are cows fat? Yes.

larry wrote:

> Greetings
>
> I am a male 54 single (not that that maters but incase it
> gives you more information).
>
> I have been a signifigant milk drinker since my preteens. I
> drink about a quart a day, ish.
>
> I don't drink alcoholic beverages, or smoke, yet I have,
> what some would call, a beer belly.
>
> I had polio at an early age therefore my physical stamina is
> somewhat limited.
>
> My question: Could the milk consumption be playing a part in
> my belly size?
>
> Larry
>
>

jril3882
Thu, Aug-15-02, 06:56
On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 23:29:55 -0400, john
<john62@electronmail.com> wrote:

>Just look at where milk comes from - cows. Are cows fat? Yes.

Are wheat plants fat? Doh!

>larry wrote:
>
>> Greetings
>>
>> I am a male 54 single (not that that maters but incase it
>> gives you more information).
>>
>> I have been a signifigant milk drinker since my preteens. I
>> drink about a quart a day, ish.
>>
>> I don't drink alcoholic beverages, or smoke, yet I have,
>> what some would call, a beer belly.
>>
>> I had polio at an early age therefore my physical stamina
>> is somewhat limited.
>>
>> My question: Could the milk consumption be playing a part
>> in my belly size?
>>
>> Larry

Larry. You eat too many calories. Cut something and do more.


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Gary
Thu, Aug-15-02, 13:58
It's carbohydrates that cause "fat accumulation," not fat
(actually, it's the huge amount of insulin floating around in
your system, caused by carbohydrate consumption, that causes
fat to accumulate). Milk is loaded with carbohydrates. My bet
is that you consume a high carbohydrate diet. I'm not
advocating any particular low carbohydrate diet but I'll tell
you this much: I was approx 35 lbs overweight, my cholestrol
level was over 350, my triglycerides were almost 2000 (yes,
you read right...2000). I quit eating carbohydrate-laden food
and started eating high protein/fat foods and drinking lots of
water and I lost the 35 lbs. My cholestrol came down to 196
and my triglycerides fell to 300 in a period of about six
months. I feel better, sleep better and have more energy. I
also completely lost the "beer" gut that I was accumulating. I
expect the labs to continue to get better. I'm a firm believer
now and I used to believe that the low carb diet was a myth.
Dr. Atkins took a LOT of flack over his theories for a long
time but now the "doomsayers" are beginning to see the light.
Research backs up his claims. I suggest that you give it a
try. It may work well for you and again, it might not. Hope
this helps. Gary V RN/CHPN "larry" <larya24@hotmail.com> wrote
in message news:vaz59.347759$WJf1.134053@news01.bloor.is.net.-
cable.rogers.com...
> Greetings
>
> I am a male 54 single (not that that maters but incase it
> gives you more information).
>
> I have been a signifigant milk drinker since my preteens. I
> drink about a quart a day, ish.
>
> I don't drink alcoholic beverages, or smoke, yet I have,
> what some would call, a beer belly.
>
> I had polio at an early age therefore my physical stamina is
> somewhat limited.
>
> My question: Could the milk consumption be playing a part in
> my belly
size?
>
> Larry

Suzee
Thu, Aug-15-02, 13:58
> On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 23:29:55 -0400, john
> <john62@electronmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Just look at where milk comes from - cows. Are cows
> >fat? Yes.

Compared to beef cattle, dairy cows are *not* fat. You can see
their hip bones. Go out to the country sometime....

sue

Starlight
Thu, Aug-15-02, 20:57
On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:55:17 -0500, "Gary"
<geevie49@yahoo.com> wrote:

:It's carbohydrates that cause "fat accumulation," not fat
(actually, it's :the huge amount of insulin floating around in
your system, caused by :carbohydrate consumption, that causes
fat to accumulate).

Taking in more calories than you put out is going to cause fat
to accumulate. It doesn't matter what you're eating. If you
eat 1000 calories more protein than you burn off every day,
you're going to get fat. It's not as complicated as all the
fad dietists try to make it sound. Becky

Christine
Thu, Aug-15-02, 20:57
A more pertinent rejoinder would be a look at protien/ fat
ratios in cow's milk vs. breast milk, or goat's milk, or soy
and rice milk for vegetable examples. A baby cow multiplies in
size significantly it's first year, leading to strong bones
and muscles, but at the expense of brain and nervous system
development. Studies abound, but I don't care to do the
homework on
it... It's over a hundred, and I'm going to shower, swim, and
shower again. Regards, Athena

"suzee" <suzeeq@nidlink.com> wrote in message
news:3D5BB21C.3311@nidlink.com...
> > On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 23:29:55 -0400, john
> > <john62@electronmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >Just look at where milk comes from - cows. Are cows
> > >fat? Yes.
>
> Compared to beef cattle, dairy cows are *not* fat. You can
> see their hip bones. Go out to the country sometime....
>
>
> sue

Suzee
Thu, Aug-15-02, 20:57
Christine Marositz wrote:
>
> A more pertinent rejoinder would be a look at protien/ fat
> ratios in cow's milk vs. breast milk, or goat's milk, or soy
> and rice milk for vegetable examples. A baby cow multiplies
> in size significantly it's first year, leading to strong
> bones and muscles, but at the expense of brain and nervous
> system development. Studies abound, but I don't care to do
> the homework on
> it... It's over a hundred, and I'm going to shower, swim,
> and shower again. Regards, Athena

If I recall correctly, breast milk has more fat than either
cow or goat
milk. Human milk has many other good things in it that are
better for baby humans, though, than goat/cow's milk.

sue

Earle Hort
Thu, Aug-15-02, 20:57
suzee <suzeeq@nidlink.com> wrote in message
news:3D5C31DF.149C@nidlink.com...
> Christine Marositz wrote:
> >
> > A more pertinent rejoinder would be a look at protien/ fat
> > ratios in
cow's
> > milk vs. breast milk, or goat's milk, or soy and rice milk
> > for vegetable examples. A baby cow multiplies in size
> > significantly it's first year, leading to strong bones and
> > muscles, but at the expense of brain and
nervous
> > system development. Studies abound, but I don't care to do
> > the homework
on
> > it... It's over a hundred, and I'm going to shower, swim,
> > and shower
again.
> > Regards, Athena
>
> If I recall correctly, breast milk has more fat than either
> cow or goat
> milk. Human milk has many other good things in it that are
> better for baby humans, though, than goat/cow's milk.
>
And it is good for adult humans, too. I would recommend to the
original poster to stay away from it, though, if he is already
having trouble with cow's milk.

Earle Horton http://earleh.tripod.com

> sue

Rsg
Fri, Aug-16-02, 13:57
"Gary" <geevie49@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:<ulnn989dne805c@corp.supernews.com>...
> It's carbohydrates that cause "fat accumulation," not fat
> (actually, it's the huge amount of insulin floating around
> in your system, caused by carbohydrate consumption, that
> causes fat to accumulate). Milk is loaded with
> carbohydrates. My bet is that you consume a high
> carbohydrate diet. I'm not advocating any particular low
> carbohydrate diet but I'll tell you this much: I was approx
> 35 lbs overweight, my cholestrol level was over 350, my
> triglycerides were almost 2000 (yes, you read right...2000).
> I quit eating carbohydrate-laden food and started eating
> high protein/fat foods and drinking lots of water and I lost
> the 35 lbs. My cholestrol came down to 196 and my
> triglycerides fell to 300 in a period of about six months. I
> feel better, sleep better and have more energy. I also
> completely lost the "beer" gut that I was accumulating. I
> expect the labs to continue to get better. I'm a firm
> believer now and I used to believe that the low carb diet
> was a myth. Dr. Atkins took a LOT of flack over his theories
> for a long time but now the "doomsayers" are beginning to
> see the light. Research backs up his claims. I suggest that
> you give it a try. It may work well for you and again, it
> might not. Hope this helps. Gary V RN/CHPN "larry"
> <larya24@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:vaz59.347759$WJ-
> f1.134053@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
> > Greetings
> >
> > I am a male 54 single (not that that maters but incase it
> > gives you more information).
> >
> > I have been a signifigant milk drinker since my preteens.
> > I drink about a quart a day, ish.
> >
> > I don't drink alcoholic beverages, or smoke, yet I have,
> > what some would call, a beer belly.
> >
> > I had polio at an early age therefore my physical stamina
> > is somewhat limited.
> >
> > My question: Could the milk consumption be playing a part
> > in my belly
> size?
> >
> > Larry
> >
> >
> >

Well, I've lost 48 pounds eating eating mostly carbs. And that
weightloss was proabably 2 pounds a month if you average it
out. Of course, some months I would of lost none. But because
I took so long to lose the weight, my body has never rebelled
on me, thinking that I was starving.

When I say mostly carbs, I'm talking hundreds of grams of
carbs (200 before lunch somedays).....I have to have a lot of
calories in a day, so I need a lot of carbs to do it. For what
it's worth, I have a BMI of 21.6 and I only do aerobic
exercise 3 times a week.

And what is my secret.....Number 1. eat reasonble amounts of
food on a consistent basis...Number 2. be more
active....Number 3. lift weights a couple times a week. Except
for the most severe cases, what you eat is the primary cause
of most weight woes, with lack of exercise coming in a close
second. Growing old and gaining weigth don't have to go
together. Less activity and loss of muscle with no changes in
diet is what produces weight gain as you get older.

Most people are eating a little bit more than they need on a
daily basis. With the end result being those few extra pounds
every year. Sure, special occasions might mean you eat more
than your body needed that day, but it's the regular days that
are what is causing the spread of obesity.

Why is low-carbing bad. Forgetting about long-term health
issues, it's the fact that the general public want a "magic
bullet" and that the majority will fail eating low-carb. I
can't even count the number of times I've read a post about
someone falling off the low-carb wagon and having to start
again. Give me a break, there shouldn't be a wagon to fall off
of when it comes to food.

And as far as milk goes, who knows. In some ways it makes no
sense that we drink milk from a different species. You would
think that we should only drink our own mothers milk until we
can eat other food. But on the other hand, cultures from
around the world have been enjoying dairy products in various
forms for thousands of years. So if you consume dairy products
in moderation and they don't seem to cause you any digestive
pain, they're probably okay.

"Eat half" - George Burns

jril3882
Sat, Aug-17-02, 06:57
On Fri, 16 Aug 2002 01:41:28 GMT,
homehealth_rndelete@yahoo.com (Starlight) wrote:

>On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:55:17 -0500, "Gary"
><geevie49@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>:It's carbohydrates that cause "fat accumulation," not fat
>(actually, it's :the huge amount of insulin floating around
>in your system, caused by :carbohydrate consumption, that
>causes fat to accumulate).
>
>Taking in more calories than you put out is going to cause
>fat to accumulate. It doesn't matter what you're eating. If
>you eat 1000 calories more protein than you burn off every
>day, you're going to get fat. It's not as complicated as all
>the fad dietists try to make it sound.

Bullseye!

jl remove digits to reply

jril3882
Sat, Aug-17-02, 06:57
On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 06:52:28 -0700, suzee
<suzeeq@nidlink.com> wrote:

>> On Sun, 11 Aug 2002 23:29:55 -0400, john
>> <john62@electronmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Just look at where milk comes from - cows. Are cows
>> >fat? Yes.
>
>Compared to beef cattle, dairy cows are *not* fat. You can
>see their hip bones. Go out to the country sometime....

Musculature not body fat, I think.

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jril3882
Sat, Aug-17-02, 06:57
On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 19:03:35 GMT, "Christine Marositz"
<cmarositz@enter.net> wrote:

> It's over a hundred, and I'm going to shower, swim, and
> shower again.

It is not! It's only 50!

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